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Normal dreams could potentially have F3 overlays, yet no way of really knowing it.

exactly.

you see a shared dream would be a F2/F3 overlay IMO. Same with REAL dream characters IE ones that are not a creation of your mind (if there are any? some people believe there are however... im in the proccess of seeing for myself)

When we dream being in Focus 2 we have our own little world to ourselves but some people seem to project from inside lucid dreams thus shifting to Focus 3 although this isnt exactly the most reliable technique due to the fact that how would one tell what Focus level one is actually in anyway? Objectivity being the key I guess... a validation or something.

Lucid Dream = Focus 2 (private reality)

Astral Projection = Focus 3 (public reality)

I used to believe dreams took place in the astral. I dont think so anymore although all consciousness is connected I think shared dreams are possible. Some people dream in black and white and some people dream in colour... why that is? anyones guess. its fairly illogical that only colour dreams would take place in the astral seeing as you're brain is fully capable of creating its own colour images and not just black and white ones.

Some of my DC's can be fairly 2D... some do nothing and say nothing, they're simply there. Others are people that I know to be real people but they're just there in my dreams, often a faithful representation if I know them well enough but still not the real thing. I do have DC's that are also 3D characters like real people in every day situations. Im very keen to experiment in my next lucid dream.

Awesome, your first lucid dream! I had one this morning... sooooo much fun.

Dream control can be difficult at times and the more lucidity you have the more control you can muster. The first thing I do when I become lucid is fly... it has to be my all time favourite thing to do, ever. I had a lucid task I wanted to complete which was freezing time but I failed at it. No biggie, i'll just have to do it next time.

Looking around and interacting with your environment in a lucid dream is one of the beauty's of being lucid Infact when lucid dreaming all the areas of your brain are actually MORE active than in waking consciousness except for your frontal lobes of course but the more you can convince yourself you're dreaming, the more active they become.

A few things you can do to maintain and increase lucidity areee...
Look at your hands, they will start to melt and you'll know you're dreaming
Spin around really fast, a new environment usually weaves itself (my next lucid task)
say things like increase lucidity now! (never worked in my experience)
Hold your nose and try breathing, if you can breathe then you're dreaming.

As far as DC's (dream characters) go... people report I wide range of characteristics from being flat or 2D in personality to being a slightly more indepth character but still not a complete or convincing person to being a full blown character with a personality. In my experience yes these are creations of our mind (because I have "played god" and controlled a DC before haha fun stuff) although I believe its highly possible that maybe the more indepth characters are real but that im only speculating and im going to do my own research into the world of DC's.

Auto-suggestion can work to a certain extent but for even better results the MILD technique (mnemonic induction of lucid dreams) is supposed to work extremely well (if you stick with it!)

I had a few lucid dreams last year and they've got me really into the whole subject... i've started full time to cultivate my ability to lucid dream and im aiming at one lucid dream a night. I had my first lucid dream for 2008 last night (although it was insanely brief I still became lucid so thats encouraging) and the best thing to do is use about 3 - 4 techniques... firstly keep a dream journal and identify your dreamsigns from it once you have enough dreams recorded you need to recall at least one dream a night before you should really even pursuing lucid dreaming... once you've got that down and you know your dreamsigns do reality checks as often as you can (get a cheap digital watch that beeps every hour and do a RC whenver it beeps)... as a complimentary technique you can also use autosuggestion... I use two autosuggestions and just repeat them to myself whenever I remember ("Fortunately I become lucid as soon as I see any of my dream signs" and "day by day the frequency of my lucid dreams is increasing")... i've worded my suggestions with some handy presuppositions so (hopefully!) they will bypass the critical factor and the real message im trying to get through will sink straight into my subconscious. You'll also want to use the MILD technique... any time you awake in the middle of the night from a dream (or do it before going to bed AND also whenever you awake from a dream) run through the dream in your mind, see the sights of the dream, think the thoughts of the dream and say to yourself "the next time I am dreaming I will remember to recognize that I am dreaming"... also notice your dreamsigns  in the dream and picture yourself becoming lucid when you see them.. really feel the excitement of becoming lucid and just run through as many cycles of MILD as you can until you fall asleep... if you can fall asleep while doing this (like me) just do it until you feel like the message has gotten through!.

After a while if you keep up with these techniques the frequency of your lucid dreams will increase.

I agree with klaxen. I can see how it would be possible to interact with the physical whilst in the astral but it would involve partially phasing back to the physical while keeping your main focus in the astral. if that makes any sense. Same as if you phased partially away from the physical while you were in it you could probably pass through solid objects... so im thinking it would also work the other way around but be extremely difficult.

Its interesting. i'd say its definately not a coincidence... coincidence isnt real anyway a better word is synchronicity.

its easily possible that you've developed the ability because you believe your father has it.

http://www.brucelipton.com/article/the-wisdom-of-your-cells

i'd suggest you read that article for a number of reasons.

this sounds like a good idea! im going to give it a go. im keen to get lucid more and more.

http://www.brucelipton.com/article/the-wisdom-of-your-cells

its a must read. IMHO it also supports the feasibility of biokinesis.

I used iDoser extensively for a period of a few months, I wouldnt say I was addicted... nor that at any point did I ever become addicted. I was experimenting with binaural beats with some very interesting results. No long term side effects however I did develop a short term side effect... constantly seeing red. Not cool but that subsided.. it has a name but i cant remember

i was sleeping and i woke up levitating about 1 foot over my bed no it wasnot an obe because i cracked my bedfram when i fell on my face lol and it hurt

Wow! Now THIS really interests me (if its true, which i'll give you the benefit of the doubt because I believe its entirely possible). I am POSITIVE flying through belief and walking on water are possible (same as TK but i've never looked into it) and your anecdote confirms it... very interesting indeed.

Heres what I believe about TK...

A: its all in the mind
B: your SUBCONCIOUS beliefs win every time
C: size or weight have no bearing on being able to move something, only on your belief about being able to move them.
D: TK is very real.

Its my opinion that people have little or no success with TK simply because their SUBCONCIOUS beliefs always get in the way and those that do have some success through the concious mind believe with conviction or have been focusing a lot of attention on it for a long time thus beggining to alter their beliefs at a subconcious level.

I firmly believe working directly with your subconcious mind to reprogram your beliefs could yield amazing results. A possible future project for me I think.

I loved it. Thought it was intense. Keen to read the book. What interests me the most about the movie is the parallel it has to real life... Ie we've all been turned into zombies because of our "quick fix" mentality.

iDoser's alright... if you're worried about them trying to hijack your brain use BWgen in which you can design your own presets.

awesome! I guess you could try affirmations and visualisations intensively as an aide? Also working with your subconcious by doing the same whilst drifting off to sleep could be very powerful...

I have a question for you in regards to your attempts... In comparison to just putting your leg in the water normally, how much difference is there between trying to WALK on the water? like is it significantly different? Im very interested in this... I may even begin my own attempts.

Im sorry, its either A. I need to go to sleep which is definitely possible considering the time it is for me right now or B. Your word choice is clear enough for me to understand what you are specifically responding to in quoting me. But, taking a guess at what you said I agree with what your saying in that our subconscious beliefs are in fact a hardwired part of human nature, but when I mention energy work I think your thinking of it as something purely physical and not mental (correct me if I am wrong) but in fact includes both. If you want the best results in the long run for control and fluidity of your flow of energy you need control of the mind. Again though I have been awake for 22 hours now so I might have to come back and edit this later..

My appologies if it sounds like I was having a go at you. You're certainly right, the point I was making is that energy work is only complimentary to the process. Although it would be very beneficial in terms of concentration. Stookie's point is also a very interesting one that I was thinking of earlier... Say you could walk on water through belief (when you were alone) but when someone else who didnt beleive it was possible was present you couldnt do it because of their belief. All very interesting stuff. Also could you over ride the universal mind?? I hadnt thought of that one before but I believe YES you could. The Vedas (or so i've heard) mentions being able to fly through belief... hence why I believe the universal mind isnt too much of a problem.

Question...

Is anyone game enough to try and TRY this stuff? haha. we always seem to think about it but giving it a go is another story aye?

Very true, the whole "we only use less than 10% of our brain" is completely false 

However, in regards to getting pass this mental block I dont think its as easy as just say simply reprogramming your subconscious (which would be in my opinion something that would be very difficult and possibly damaging if not done properly) and that there is a considerably larger amount of practice and work involved behind it, although ridding yourself of this mental block would definitely be beneficial. But I think what I am trying to say is that practicing in energy works or anything else in the same regards are the steps you can take to slowly get rid of this block. Simply having this block completely removed without any prior training (if you can imagine every single law of physics being broken simultaneously) I'd imagine would be quite mind boggline 

In terms of belief your subconcious wins every time... no amount of energy work is going to change one of your beliefs at a subconcious (basically hardwired) level. There are methods of doing this however which to my knowledge arent exactly that difficult or time consuming but it would take a bit of work for sure. Its also the ONLY way to actually rid yourself of that mental block in order to actually believeee you can walk on water to be able to do it. So its rather necessary...

http://www.asc-alchemy.com/mono.html

That website has a treasure trove of information about various ormus products... also if you read the text under the headline "reasons for not taking m-state white gold in powder form" it tells you the anecdote i was talking about. I find this site to be very straightfoward and unbiased.

Yes, it certainly would. Ormus increases your manifesting power... I read an interesting anecdote about a guy who took too much pure white gold ormus and his manifesting power increased soo much it practically ruined his life for 6 months. If he was driving a car and he thought about having an accident a car would suddenly come out of nowhere and almost hit him.

I want me some of that!

i'd say the effects with pure white gold ormus would be what im looking for

I tried the grapeseed oil ormus mix twice with no results. Not too encouraging but at some point im going to order PURE white gold ormus (not the weak stuff suspended in a liquid) because I believe THAT is where the REAL power lies.

maybe im doing something wrong?

most people have grown up trusting that the doctor knows best (and he's prescribing drugs for things) so thats the only way they see things because to them thats what "works". Thus this 'quick fix' mentality that I see everywhere has become common place and it blinds people to what real HEALTH is.

I'd say most of the time people really need to change their diet, thats the FIRST thing. Doctors DO suggest (sometimes) a change in diet as a first line of defense but the people arent interested in that... the quick fix mentality cuts the doctor off and says "where are the drugs?". Thats the biggest problem. Big Pharma would go out of business if no one bought into it.

Another interesting thing in regards to various 'quacks'... Sometimes people market products or services that DO work (in their experience) but actually have no scientific or medical basis but rather work off of the placebo effect (which has TREMENDOUS powers). Anton Mesmer, An 18th - 19th century Austrian physician use magnets to miraculously cure diseases, he later expiremented with bits of glass and metal and then later abondoned them and used just his hands, waving them over the patients body... he attributed this to what he called "animal magnetism"... in actuality it was just the power of the persons subconcious mind who truly believed this man could cure them with his methods that manifested their cure.

Read a book called "The Power Of Your Subconcious Mind" its extremely thought provoking and empowering.

Good idea!

Do you know what's hilarious?  I know someone who used Quack watch to find out about health, by reverting everything on the website!  Its so accurate and reliable if you read the opposite of the texts!

Cavernstoy

Haha you know I had that same thought myself. I think SOME of the stuff on that site is truthful like... yes there are some alternative health scams out there (same goes for anything tho) but theres so much stuff on quackwatch where they say "this is quackery, unsubstantiated claims" when i KNOW it works. They're extremely biased. I really want to find a health site with pure UNBIASED (for or against) information.

the first one's a bloody good read aye... SO true. We should spam QuackWatch with it.

RB's Treatise was the catalyst into the OBE world for me so it holds a special place in my heart. I havent fully read astral dynamics but I recommend it as a starting point to friends who take interest in the subject because I feel it tells you what to expect. Frank and RB have different models and personally I always refer to and use franks but I also think the models are complimentary... That is the mystic model of "planes and realms" fits within Franks Focus models. As far as demons go... i've had some experiences with them (in WAKING life) so I definately know they're out there. I think in terms of the astral if you're out there and your thoughts are attracting them then they'll come to you and i dont necessarily think you're CREATING them.. but at the same time if you change you're thoughts you can make them go away... so yeah.

THANK YOU! thats the info i needed.

what do you mean you make the water hexagonal?

lately i've taken to shaking everything i drink in my ormus shaker.