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I am enjoying the conversation. But I still haven't heard what the difference is between F2 and F3, aside from a deeper lucidity. Let me ask this directly, is it the same difference as between a 'private' and 'consensus' reality? -- the latter being 'consensus'? Or is this off base?

I may share my insights and I tried to follow Frank's model all along. Not because I'm a believer, but to experience it first-hand, how it works.

Focus 2 is very deep in its nature. I tried to experiment with what seems to be "not right" about it. I mean not right about the whole model, I mean this part of the model. I didn't say Frank was wrong, but I'M not a believer type at all and we talked a lot about these with Szaxx personally years ago. It is the mind, sure, but hell, that mind of ours is just capable of making anything out of blue. You have no control most of the time, so I'm overwriting myself with self-suggestions each time when I try to experiment there.

I figured out something with the mechanics, from probably over a thousand of conscious F2 events. If you are passive and 100% focused, it is rock solid. You lose consciousness, it is fluctuating like you never notice a slight place shift where you are at another place. Maybe Focus 3, maybe another F2. If you concentrate back, it becomes solid again. This same spectrum of solidness will be true for Focus 3 too, being there. Or between both.

Focus 2 and Focus 3 is like you would never know for sure which is which because your interplay will endlessly overlay one with the another. Overlays are changing while your focus is here or there. The more you focus on Focus 3, being at a real place (real means consensus, everything is real, even your scenery being generated automatically), the more "solid" it is and you are needed to be passive. I managed to get to Focus 4 a few times, not that easy.

I found out a spectrum of awareness and focus of attention over the years. Here you go guys and girls and my main approach is not phasing but falling asleep. I can do phasing too, much harder.

Falling asleep > regain focus = Focus 2 sceneries > regain more, physical alike awareness, you solidify the Focus 2 interplay > lose focus > Drop into TPS (Third Person Sight) as an observer, seeing yourself as a character.

From TPS, you have two options according to the intent before sleep. It kicks in, you regain more focus of attention, Focus 2 solidifies, you are there fully again. You lose consciousness for a split second, it changes, the whole place or other stuff. You lose it more, False Awakening happens, you wake up with another memoryset at another "place". It can be still F2 or F3.

Now, when you are at Focus 3 places, worlds, you KNOW it. You lose consciousness there, you end up in an interplay loop of F2 overlays until you either end up in TPS, FA or physically waking up. I know guys I cannot explain it so well in a few sentences but I have a lot of work in this.

The main problem is that we don't notice the most of this. I try to notice even the slightest changes. Focus 3 is amazing. Focus 2 is also amazing! I cannot give an answer whatever we are doing Focus 2 fully or Leland was right about guides giving test.

But what I noticed that sometimes - if not always - guides will give sceneries for teaching purposes. One of my first diary from my first 6 years is around 1400 pages. Yeah, I'm not a believer but an experimenter. So when people are saying after a few, after a hundred of these that they "know" it... nah they are not even close.

And I didn't even mention experiencing parallel lives, probable or alternate lives, meeting with entities who know you, meeting with other versions of yourself, helping out strangers or rescuing "people" as a task, doing stuff you are doing in another life... all that stuff, all is there right now. A human life is truly short for this and there is always more. And people outside of this whole stuff will deny it or can't even imagine this whole stuff being real. And of course, if will also vary how you experience the same thing according to your worldview.

Do share! 

If you mean, Xanth, sharing mine, I will write an ebook soon. Who knows when, working life is also there. I can't really tell a date.

Szaxx, the reality frame you described is Focus 4 according to Frank

Focus 3... I know guys I don't write anymore but I have hundreds of Focus 3 experiences. I guess a human life is not enough to have enough of it, roaming around there at existing places.

Hi there everybody, I tend to avoid posting but I would like to chat with some kind people who are living in Spain and have experiences about being there. Sorry guys, not non-physical topic Let me know - anybody - in private message. Thanks Xanth and Adrian letting me lol.

Merry Christmas and a better year for everybody, greetings from Hungary!

That's okay, the message was not just for you. I tried to point out a general problem with Pulse and its visitors.

[the Pulse started to be like a pithole of beliefs.]

Plasma, did you learn something over the years being here? I mean you don't "need" to, not because of that. Everybody is learning something.

Take it a little bit seriously, before Xanth boils up his head lol. You just need to silence your mind to let yourself to concentrate on other things. Focus of attention. Intelligence fails with over-analyzing things at one point so just try it at the being level. I know some people with this too much ego and intelligence and they are hopeless Maybe it comes from fear of the unknown, it depends on the person.

I try to analyze things too and it is many times a big block. And other times it reveals the problem. It depends on the case.

I'm only just observing the Pulse since a long while because of these pointless chats and dramas which people tend to write out, sharing their beliefs instead of learning more or opening up. Those fricking beliefs all the time, I wonder if anybody learns a thing that way. Literally, in the last years the Pulse started to be like a pithole of beliefs. It was that back then. I guess it all faded away when Frank and some others went away. I mean since that time, what is left is the information which anybody can extract from the forums. And the most are so lazy to do it. The other part is your own experiences, experiments and anything around.

No debate here. But in my opinion building from beliefs won't give knowledge. Then go and believe in a religion! We should learn and educate ourselves. I know that some people will be hurt but I don't care Respect for the few exceptions.

Yes, I'm living with two right now. They are important too but how many people are in this? Globally maybe a few thousands who died. This is panic spreading on a global scale from a laboratory where also human nature showed its regular face. Many people are closing their shops and businesses from this. So I heard enough about it.

To keep it short, we will get over it soon.

Seriously guys, I work in a big electronics store and people are panicking. Here in Hungary, schools are closed and parents (also teachers) are running to buy a notebook for their tasks. My daily traffic (sales) was 6 times more and I couldn't rest on Saturday. I tend to tell everybody around me to stop panicking from this nonsense "corona" stuff because it only effects the week elderly. Mostly. Okay, some people will die but they may die in any other stuff in a caring home for example. The most are rushing to buy up stuff which they don't need but food will be there. There are similar events from the past and we got over. So please, stop listening to news where fear is spreaded, stop believing all the nonsense and use common sense. Wash your hands, be emotionally closed and okay, read some news about the current situation but don't accept everything. Same for NP life lol.

I don't know if my workplace will be closed too for a few weeks maybe but only just a few have brains to see that we have to avoid fearing this current topic. More people are dying from a car accident each day or from anything else. This is a business for many, think about it. The financial markets which I observe and tend to trade are mad and many are losing while the other side wins a lot. Our world is a big business so keep calm and it will be over. Maybe soon, maybe months later. Of course, people who need to work have some problems with this. Bad thing.

Keep your head up.

I had a similar experience in this terrain generation thing a few times which I noticed. It was my family home and I opened up our main entrance door with a guide, then I saw that instantly a terrain was generating in front of me in the distance lol, trees, fountains, flower beds, etc Those are not there in the physical. The NP is amazing, I guess being physically focused here makes it more amazing, I mean lets us be amazed more.

Are you kidding me guys? I was just watching Bob Lazar's stuff in the recent few days without knowing that this is the subject here lol. I mean it just dived up in me about "let's see some stuff". I kicked away some days with UFO stuff and he still seems to me a legit man who suffered in his decades from criticism and ridicule. Just look how he speaks, the story never changed and a trustable somebody speaks like that. Or we are fooled lol. But who knows...

About his past in MIT and others where no records are found. I wonder why people don't ever think about that datas can be deleted and suppressed for the sake to make a people's life a nightmare because he didn't stay silent. Just some phone calls even back then and some connections, people are frightened and that's all. I noticed this that videos, interviews and analytics, people who try to debunk or reinforce these are not thinking about this simple thing. People are that naive or blind to scientific or belief proofs.

I've met with a deceased close family member maybe a year ago but I didn't want to for 2,5 decades. I will talk about this somebody as "person" and for information sharing purposes. I always had an opinion that others are doing their stuff (even if I was little and felt this) and going on their way, just like me or others. So I didn't want a contact really. But this time I've met with this person a few times (not one after another strictly) and the story is about dying in cancer. I don't give out so much detail here, it was cruel and lasted for a few years. Cause: rushing here and there, not slowing down from fear and being over-burnt. In a nutshell. So one point about creating cancer for ourselves.

This person just met me in a scenery, I didn't even expect it. Then in another one which resembled our family home but in a different way, the interior was different. It seems like many post-humans are ending up in similar places which are familiar to some extent. So this person was talking to me the way that it just happened maybe in a minute, the death process and being there. Yeah... time. So we had a chat and I asked (the first time in a city scenery) that was it hard to "heal" from cancer? Yes it was. Sure, not the way we do it here in a physical reality. Emotionally. The second was that why did this person (sorry I won't call he or she for personal reason) did this to itself? It was from living in shame. This one made me think why? I was a kid at that time back then. Okay, no wonder but the thing is that it was a real person, real memories, real conversation. I didn't really question it.

The second meeting was in the created house for this person, I found it interesting, only had the proper self-control to chat for 5-10 minutes.  The impression was for me that this person is still in that emotional position, it is hard to digest, the post-events of physical life. What is the take on these? Some may stay in an emotional loop or state where they still digest it and others may won't. It seems to be very real that guides are taking people into places which are familiar to them to help get lost the physical life construct. But they in somehow, in their core still remember somehow and even if they act differently according to their physical personality, they still have that core. This may tells us that it can be very real that we need to go through a process (okay not us, who are well-experienced in many stuff) which helps us shred down this addiction or emotional loop. I guess many can't drop it. No wonder the BST territories and all the other cities and regions.

My bad, I'm not so active and just got this reply to speak about the same lol. Sure, not everything is thought responsive and there are "areas" which are, especially individual ones like the 3D blackness.

This is actually a complete and utter misunderstanding of the non-physical.
Most of what you experience non-physically won't be "responsive to your thoughts".
Very few realities seem to be that malleable... and while you might be able to "modify" things from time to time, what you're changing is your subjective experience of the reality you're experiencing.

That's my two cents at least.  

Very true, Xanth. I had thousands of experiences and I proved this to myself that it is not really true that everything is thought responsive. I can't count how many times I failed to do a thing other than just walk and be an observer, even the locals. Cities, other places, and many more. Sometimes it takes effort to convince yourself that you can go through a wall or do other things but the thing is that many times it won't work at all.

The weather is terrible there. In my country it is heat-heat-raining-heat-raining at summer (in general) bah, this is terrible... I guess in Europe also, in general. Let's hope that situation will improve soon Szaxx.

Everybody had the same problem. These server issues are not new from the Pulse. Thanks for keeping it alive Adrian (or whoever did the fix lol).

About Frank, being "suddenly" ill or having a life situation suddenly (or just being in it like a cancer or other from emotional stuff) which will cause his death, in regards how knowledgeable he was with his big experiences and having the Focus Model, understanding the big picture, with all the huge experiences, being in Focus 4, I wonder about how this sudden death came. Some may feel out some sort of fate in his life if he couldn't avoid it. I think, for me, this is the only confusion about his disappearing or death if he died. You know all and you can get well in his position. Or he wanted to exit this physical life? And No, don't misunderstand my thoughts about the good old saying that "who doesn't know it, teaches it", I don't say that. I just wonder why others are not discussing this part of the topic. Reminds me Buhlman and how he cured his cancer.

It is on the admin forum. Of course you can't  : )

I never saw another somebody doing it, I tend to many times save a group of people if not one or two individuals lol. I guess it is unlikely to see anybody else because we are I guess are taken to specific places to do it and I don't know what is the chance seeing anybody else doing the same where you are.

I keep getting talked down to here whenever I try to explain things like the fact that I'm naturally resistant to supernatural experiences, or that I'm too aware of my own consciousness for my brain to tune into the very precise frequency that feels like it might work for me.  When I'm meditating I can feel brief glimpses of a state that does almost feel like I'm floating out of my body and it happens spontaneously without even having to manually use an exit method, but my resistance to supernatural experiences and overawareness of my consciousness is preventing me from being able to exit right away - I really need help figuring out how to get around these things, and I need people to trust me when I say that I can't just get rid of these problems by being patient and stuff.

Maybe this helps. Whenever I start to be too much aware in the NP, the "time is ticking" and I start to rush many times to keep myself there no matter what. I guess this problem exists everywhere as we tend to analyze things and it will prevent the process to keep on going (whatever it is or was). For example, you tend to stop focusing in the NP, you will phase back to the physical. I guess this is an automatic thing to just get back here naturally. Everything goes fine until you start to analyze everything there and you gain so much awareness that you ruin all. This takes practice and passivity. Mostly emotional passivity. It is like you are holding back your breathe and stop thinking thing.

Luffy with all respect, did you even read what we or I said earlier? You are over-complicating it. Sleep for 3-4-5 hours then try it. On your back, don't move and dive into it deeply, let it happen. This is one way only. You need to sleep that much for first because you will be detached more from the physical reality and your mind is clear enough normally.

Funny how I'm rushing into this trust and "unfolding in time" thing too. I guess we never get used to this allowing thing in our human life and it hurts when we are adults. We tend to force things. I tend to see this in life the other way but I guess time delay (when the NP tries to help) messes up all. This is one problem in my personal life and I still try to catch the tail how it works while we live on this end of the game. Did anybody else experience this in his/her life that if we need something in life, it will unfold with patience? I wonder if this is the case.

I tend to blame all of those nonsense books and vids about this and about what you "need" to do to achieve this and that. Everybody want their share. People are totally confused and got caught up on these. Very frustrating. Starting with that nonsense force "open the third eye" fashion these days, it is loaded on other forums and sites. Then people are freaked out from not knowing a thing. Newbies are misled and starting to get 'informations" from Youtube, Reddit, Quora and others. People are sharing these parroted beliefs and even if they work, it is a little bit (or highly) self-fulfilling thing. Well we all do it I guess.

We live in the age of "I want it now" lol. Each of us does it.

Maybe I'm alone being confused about the original post. I think laziness is everywhere and don't take this as a personal debate. Apps? Our century is pretty silly. Did Egyptians have apps or other civilizations for any practices? Maybe some rituals.

LD? People, I know it is hard to understand and we need many experiences to convince ourselves with this magical intent thing but fall asleep with an intent to be aware or conscious. Do anybody read back posts about LD's and how to achieve them are "what" are they? Eliminate mind noise (music or with anything which captures your attention) then if you are enough sleepy and empty minded, fall asleep with that intent or aim. If not the first time, then the 10th time you will be much more aware.

Healing? You can do it by yourself or ask guidance. Other people can't interfere with your personal free will.

You should invest months and years seeing constant results and stopping doing this get fast results thing. You will see it.

Your first "sleep cycles" or rather the first NP experience chains you get from falling asleep each night, are containing all your mind noise mostly with a great chance so don't expect so much. Rather maybe from the second half of your sleep time. True for everything, even for being silent in your mind and trying out something like phasing or others. It is simply because you live up your crap each time you fall asleep as a beginner and you need to investigate the configuration about what and when to do. Don't rush like a busy spider here and there lol. If you try to know and do everything at once, it will be not so satisfying or you will lose interest quickly.