Quote from: EscapeVelocity on Yesterday at 00:08:49A cleanly-executed handover Volgerle!I don't think I knew. Although I was quite lucid then, in hindsight my memory of this is too blurry to know exactly how I chose him or even how I addressed him. I might have thought that all of these people in the garden were retrieval targets and just chose the one nearest to me. I might then have addressed him with sth like 'how's your work going?' or maybe a simple 'howdy-do' or 'do you need some help?' to get him talking. His instant complaint about his work was my instant 'hook' then. The only thing I also remember and did not yet mention is the short glance of the guide (who was a similarly aged man) at me when he already talked to the gardner signalling me a kind of 'I got this' before they vanished.
When you appeared in the scene, did you have an instinctive 'knowing' that this person was your retrieval target?
I admit I lost a bit of discipline in recent years with journalling and did not get up at night soon after I had this experience, but I also had some other experiences after that (not well remembered) and so I did not wake up back to body immediately. This might also have contributed to me not memorising it all well enough.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on Yesterday at 00:08:49This Retrieval caught my attention because it is unique and may afford a wider discussion of what appears to be happening. The "Retrievee", as it were, is in a very commonplace setting, performing a common work task. There is no indication of a violent or disruptive event that led to his passing...no war, no conflict, no traumatic incident, no indication of malevolence towards him...he may have suffered a heart attack while working or possibly died peacefully in his sleep.I think your hypothesis with this case about people dying in their sleep and then going on just as usual holds some merit. These cases seem quite common.
This question has long bothered me from time to time- If I pass silently at night, in my sleep...how will I necessarily know that I have passed from this existence into the next? Might I just automatically take up my regular activities within my own personal astral space upon my normal schedule of awakening, not recognizing the difference between here and there? And of course, how many times does this transition occur for people while performing some normal activity such as cutting the bushes?
Following the Monroe idea of Belief System Territories, the simplest forms appear to be like this one described. They are personal belief system traps where a person is still so closely identified with their personal worldview and the energetic frequency that it aligns with to the point that their prior PR world fixation creates their current afterlife circumstance, and it plays out endlessly until certain factors may enter and interrupt it.
And it's not the personal BST purgatory of a suicide, addict or murderer...or the complexities of a consummate liar, schemer or narcissist...I have read about how those personal purgatories play out in the Bruce Moen books. This does speak to the idea of eternal damnation or a very long time. This is just an example, maybe, of a common death.
I need to ask this question more directly the next time I attend a Monroe Course- What is the distinctive quality that makes a still-extant human such a benefit in a Retrieval? My understanding is that our connection to both frequencies makes us recognizable to the Retrievee, whereas the higher frequency Guide is just out of their range and therefore renders them sufficiently invisible...that is where we come in.
The sad part is that the story of the 'gardener' may be a very common circumstance; It makes me think there are a lot of us humans hung out there in these little semi-purgatorial traps of our own misunderstanding of the Wider Reality. I get the impression that most will work their own way out, but we can sure speed the process up with retrievals. There is also the additional question of retrieving lost aspects of ourselves...that was one of the sessions at Monroe and a very powerful one for me...something to consider.
Great discussion material Volgerle!
Thinking about this let me quote from some TMI (outreach, guest) trainers and known authors on OBE:
William Buhlman also hints to this 'semi-purgatorial trap' as you call it, when he talks about souls who just carry on with their lives after their (quiet) passing as if nothing has happened, mostly because they just don't know it, or if they do know or sense it they just think this is all they have and just 'continue' (mostly materialists maybe?). This nice quote is literally taken from his book (copied from the eBook):
"Most souls will accept the first environment they experience after their death; they know no better." - William Buhlman (Adventures in the Afterlife)
Of course, it makes sense to assume that this not only applies to the place where they lived (bedroom, house) and fell asleep for good but any belief system territory they might end up in. They just 'stick' with it and carry on.
Trainer Luigi Sciambarella in one of his YouTube interviews (found it after some search: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTQGm4s7YXI ) also hints at the occurrence of especially old people in need of being retrieved from their day-to-day situations because many just died in their sleep. He even recommends this as one of the easiest retrieval types since (quote) 'they only wait to be picked up'. Maybe that is why I am given this opportunity with older people as a beginner. Could be an easier task.
Trainer Oliver Tappe mentions a good example of this kind of retrieval in his book about his TMI experiences "(IN)VISIBLE: Out of Body Experiences and Explorations into the Afterlife":
One retrieval is of an elderly lady he encounters while she's just standing in her kitchen preparing dinner while she awaits her husband coming home from work (but he never comes). Oliver feels she actually might have been there 'for long' since she also looks a bit 'vintage', and iirc he even mentions that it feels like the 1970s or 1950s or so. Then somehow Oliver as a guest (she does not question his appearance though and talks to him) makes her aware of her husband arriving (not sure if at the time still alive or already deceased) who of course is just the guide in disguise and she joins him then and they walk up a stairway in the house leading into the light.
Btw (and as a short excursion), I really recommend Oliver's book about his training and work with the TMI, which is similar to Paul Elder's book 'Eyes of an Angel' that is also a great account about the TMI seminars. Moreover, Elder gives some more retrieval event reports that are very detailed. A fantastic read. (I saved all of these accounts as quotes for my future book on retrievals ... well, ... should it ever see the light of day, LOL). Needless to say I also recommend all of Buhlman's books anyway, of course he is known well round here already.
All of them are also featured and listed on the TMI website somehow:
https://www.monroeinstitute.org/pages/trainer-luigi-sciambarella
https://www.monroeinstitute.org/pages/trainer-oliver-tappe
https://www.monroeinstitute.org/pages/trainer-paul-elder
https://www.monroeinstitute.org/search?page=1&q=Buhlman