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I've been saying the same thing to a friend today. The virus itself does not scare me but how people behave and often also look for fights.

I honestly prefer to stay at home because of that and am lucky enough to live in nature far enough away from masses. In my circle people take pretty good care of each other getting around restrictions, doing shopping for each other and stuff.

I can't deny that I feel anxiety though about what happens next. since around march/april i am constantly working through tensions in my body that just don't want to relax themselves...

Thank you EV, I appreciate your insight.
Wow, what a relief to find out others experience that too...
I believe that talking and contemplating about this will help me to gain awareness in my next OBE. it really takes a lot to stay aware and concentrated enough, it took me so much time, practice and effort to get to where i am and progress comes slowly (at least for someone who is  impatient like me
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I really love this discussion here, and i love the quote you posted LightBeam, it is one of my favorite ones too.

It feels like many people find themselves at crossroads throughout these times right now, me too.
I love transformation though; sometimes I feel I thrive so much in difficult times that i wonder if i am a little bit masochistic . It is sort of a warrior spirit that shows up when life hurts, when i need to see that i have been wrong, that i messed up, or that something precious is over and i need to let go of something or someone. And even if i realize that i don't understand anything, that i feel confused and i don't know what's next. Mostly i feel quite serene in the face of pain and it was this year that i discovered that it is for the love of transformation. That is how i like to look at it because this quote is like a life style for me  "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change"

Please excuse my simple English, i am not a native English speaker, i hope i make sense.

I personally do not care anymore about enlightenment at all. It has always been a hoax for me, as i do not believe in a state of consciousness that one can reach and then you are there and ready like a baked cake. Because one can always go further, there is always more. And i also try not to lose myself too much in dwelling about what is right or wrong, what is ego and what is not. We live in duality and we will always have to deal with ego as well as with the paradox of life itself. Just like that we don't always know if we travel inside or outside, if it is mind or soul, if anything is good for anything or not...

Growth is not always automatically happiness, but life itself is not always happiness. Why we are here and what we are to do is quite mysterious. Somehow we have choice but somehow not too... what the heck... what does it mean? Are we all one or all separate? I believe it is great to ask this question and find out the answers by experience, i recommend to really contemplate hard on this question. The potential answer is in no book and is no thought.

I so love this question you asked floriferous, thank you for asking it. I enjoyed reading all of this and responding too. Who cares if our egos answer, i believe we are allowed to simply enjoy a good discussion as we are.

In the end, for me, it comes down to WHAT I FEEL. And man, exploring consciousness makes me feel sooooo dang passionate that i can hardly stand it!!! The 'why' does not matter so much. It is like asking an artist why he paints. The writer writes because he has something to say. The bird sings because it has a song. I also feel how much joy i get from supporting other people through what i experienced. So i do that. I believe there is not much more to it... honesty, honor, humility, just doing our best. The best we know is good enough combined with a little bit of courage to stand behind our actions and correct something if we have to. These sort of things feel really good. Doing what we know that needs to be done. deep down we know.

And then we have chocolate croissant and cappuccino for breakfast, spend quality time with loved ones, in nature, enjoying what can be enjoyed, no?

I want to add that I do not try to play down the feelings of anyone. I really value everything that has been said and i know i like to sound preachy, that's just me

I would just like to point to the simplicity of things and ask: why not just do what feels right? That does not mean that one should watch TV all day long, because many times the things that feel right are not the easiest. It might not make us happy to take on the task while we are at it but once it is achieved it does make us happy, stronger, more authentic, more real and if there is a thing like karma, maybe we worked a bit towards transforming it into medicine.

Looking forward to read more soon 

Hello there,

That is a really cool experience. Maybe you had a glimpse of the future or does the cat walk by sometimes? so weird no? but maybe not if time doesn't really exist ...

Anyhow, congratulations on being able to look at yourself and walking through the closed door! That is really awesome - I remember when I managed these both things for the first time I was so happy afterwards.

Your cat-experience reminded me in a hilarious lucid dog-dream I had when my son was smaller... imagine the following:

I am sleeping in bed and wake up because my son needs to go to the bathroom. I get up and pour him a glass of water. when he comes out of the bathroom a white little puppy comes out of the bathroom too and runs all over the room. we don't have a puppy, so i get so surprised that i wake up!
it was a dream, but my son just woke up to go to the bathroom. i get up to pour him a glass of water. as he comes out of the bathroom I think 'oh no, is the puppy there again??' - and yep, the little puppy hops out again!! I am like going almost mad and go closer to the puppy to check out if it is real. i look really really really hard - and wake up again!
guess what happens next? LOL
my son wakes up to go to the bathroom and i get up to pour him some water for the third time, identical scene....  no puppy anymore, but i was really freaked out when he opened that bathroom door. i guess i was finally awake.... well hopefully haha.

i so love these situations. i am aware that i had 2 false awakenings, but somehow it was a similar experience than yours no? the exact situation happened after the projection. i wonder what that is....

i guess if i were you i would ask my mom to do sort of a deal (like 'next time you call and i don't answer, don't worry and just give me 10min') that would be symbolic and also shake hands on it, no matter if she understands or not... lol. and i guess i would also have someone knock hysterically on my door once in a while to train my response and hopefully have a lot of fun with it at the same time.

but you are right, there is guilt. as if i should not leave him behind, going on potentially scary adventures and risking my sanity and family harmony or something.

i am pretty sure next time it happens we will be more aware. thank you and good luck too, shineling.
(p.s. i am a big fan of your log <3)

Wow, thank you all so much! It really helps a lot to hear that others have similar experiences and to share information on how to deal with it. It seems pretty clear by now that this is a fear inside of me. as if it is one of these tests.... and my son is a really tough one, even though he is no baby anymore (he is 12), but putting him on hold when he is crying or in fear and hoping that it is not real does not seem to be an option.

My plan is to make a reality check next time this happens, if it doesn't happen when i am on the verge of exiting. usually i am having strong vibrations and i am still learning to cultivate them, so when i am about to exit AND trying to increase the vibration, I wonder if i could make a reality check at the same time..

I had a couple of conversations with y son where he told me into my face that he wishes for me to fly like superwoman through to the stars, that he has nothing against it. we shook hands on it. we were goofing around, but i might remember next time ...

I also listened to my past recordings of when such a situation occurred and i noticed that last time maybe came with a solution in itself, because while my son tried to catch my attention another me (that looked like mary poppins) was comforting him. in dream yoga they say you can do several things at the same time, also tom campbell says he can be at several places at the same time. so maybe i can comfort him AND be in peace with my practice..

i suppose the only challenge would be to learn how to stay calm if someone screams or even bangs the door like it happens for shineling...

Hello, it has been a while. For some reason i am having such long breaks in between the experiences.

last night i had another vibrational experience and a short exit though. but something keeps on re-ocurring and has me wondering if any of you has experienced something similar: i so often hear my son calling me or see him scared. it is like sabotage, because each time i think it is real and i think that i need to get back into my body quickly. same last night. it was frustrating, because it was so long until i was finally able to exit again...

my son is scared of the dark and he is also very sensitive to OBEs, but in general it scares him too much.  We talk a lot about grounding ... i try to be easy on him, as there is no need to push or rush him.

so interesting though that it seems as if his spirit is sabotaging me.... or maybe my own psyche uses his fear to sabotage myself....  maybe it does not have anything to do with him at all?

Have you experienced something like this? Any input?

Thank you so much <3

Thank you Lumaza! <3

It happens everywhere on the planet and it is everywhere the same. One of my greatest teachers keeps on saying that everyone who is repeating/teaching something he or she has read or heard is lying. you can only tell the truth if you have experienced what you are talking about and then you can share your own experience and help others with it. she says this is the difference in between knowledge and wisdom. knowledge you get from books, but wisdom you live.
it is like as if you would talk about all the theories you read about no-mind but never were in a no-mind state, then you don't know how it feels or what it does to you. trying to help someone to get there without having experienced it would be a lie then...
Same with wanting to help a drug addict without never been an addict and so on.
In my own experience I found this to be true.

Thanks you both. I guess a part of myself just wanted to hear if it is 'normal' - many times one hears about this awesome AP experiences people have and it seems there is no 'deeper/hidden' meaning to it as in a dream where each symbol or situation means something else.
Do you see where I am getting confused? It seems like that symbolic language is not always of value in an OBE, or is it in your experience?

It seems as if for some reason I always need ANOTHER chance. And I wonder how much patience the universe really has with us if we keep on 'not getting it', can chances really be lost?

I have been dreaming each night of the house where I grew up now since 2 weeks, to the point where I am being followed into the house of my childhood and teenage years.
9 months ago I experienced an AP where I felt I was guided into a neighbor's house, but I did not want to enter, as i felt it was inappropriate to enter into someone's space uninvited by the owner. After that I did not have any further experiences whatsoever for 9 months, no SP, no vibes, no OBE until 2 weeks ago.
2 weeks ago I suddenly had vibes again and rolled easily out of my body, stood up and soaked in my surrounding. I was again in the house of my childhood at night. I could hardly do anything there, the experience would not allow me to go through walls or something, it seemed as if there was just one way to go: into the neighbor's house, whose door was wide open, it was all grey on the inside, but my favorite music came out of that house. i had the same issue though and did not want to enter, so i did other things until i wondered if it was actually an AP or just a lucid dream. Doubting if i was in my body or not brought me back into my body.
I have to say that most of my OBE's were only in my house, my bedroom, my terrasse, garden and close surrounding, so I am not so much used to waking up in a different location, that seems either out of time and space or 'dreamlike'.

Last night then I felt the vibes coming, fading in and out, for some reason I felt nervous, so I prayed a lot which made the vibes stronger until I decided to relax and float out of my body. I knew that I was in the bedroom of my chilldhood and even though I could see it I did not want to open my 'astral eyes'. So I kept them 'close'. So funny because I could still see... I wonder whom I was trying to fool there... In the end I got up and flew out into the night sky, on and on, until I was back in my body.
It was obviously not what I was supposed to do. It feels like I have to do something there in or around the house of my childhood, look at something, but at the same time there is something inside of myself that keeps on sabotaging myself from having the full experience.

Is this what happens to more people? being guided to certain revelations like that?

Thank you so much, all of you. This is really the first time I am talking to other people who are passionate about this stuff and it means a lot to me.

Yes, SP, I get it, still learning all the shortcuts you are using....sorry for being slow...
Yes, I do have SPs and I love them. Just this one time was pretty traumatic, but the way I understand it is, that I really needed to find this inner strength to keep on going as I was simply too scared, especially of the dark and unknown negative entities - so I met a couple of them. With time it seemed as if a deeper understanding revealed itself around what those entities were and why they showed up. Or better to say, how they relate to me, my higher self or lineage. idk, it is all so mysterious. but I do know, that I would not be as strong as I am today if that would have not happened to me. So in the end I am grateful.

I think I will open a thread in the experiences part of the forum, as I had an AP last night, looking forward to explore more together!

What I mean is that I am listening to the Hemi-Sync meditations for about 2 hours until I finally enter into a vibrational state. from there I usually exit easily by rolling out, jumping out or simply sitting up and standing up.
I have never meditated for 15min and being able to exit, smile.

What is SP?

Thank you LightBeam, I have a feeling that it might be similar for me. I LOVE the night and so much happens throughout the night, several dreams, visions, lucid dreams, colors and lights (often with open eyes when I wake up), vibrations and APs. On the other hand it might just be my own laziness of setting up a routine around daily meditations.

I have read Buhlman's books, and also Robert Monroe's books, which I absolutely love. This guy is my hero!
I guess it has to do with lacking experience in my case, although different kind of fears come up along the way too. The biggest one of confronting negativity and darkness i overcame already though... saying that humbly.... as you never know what comes up next...
I find it absolutely fascinating how you and also others here in this forum manage to exit so fast. It takes me 1 - 2 hours until I manage. And even then it still feels as if it is not in my hands if I will have an experience or not. I read some interesting meditations in this forum that I will try out and report as soon as I learn something new!

Thank you for your reply, EscapeVelocity!

I like what you said about the HS. It makes sense to me.

In fact the VS has changed already. By now I love and enjoy it, while it was really difficult to stand in the beginning. It would be so loud that it would hurt my ears sometimes (which is funny as it is no sound from the outside ?!) So intense. By now it is a little smoother, not so 'edgy' anymore, but still strong. I am glad I can experience it because without it I would not quite know if I am close or not to travel.

Usually my OBEs are pretty short, they happen in this realm or in Focus 2, how you guys call it. At least this is what I understand. I had many OBEs that I exited too early because I started doubting and thinking it was just a dream because of its weirdness. The thought about being in the body or not brought me right back to it. I just learned here in this forum that it is totally normal to see things that wouldn't make sense in this realm. Somehow I thought that as a beginner I wouldn't go further than Focus 1 if I don't intent, but I guess I was wrong and it happens automatically...

I am pretty good in staying aware when falling asleep, most of my OBEs happen about and hour or two after going to bed. What I want to learn next now, is to meditate more throughout the day, sitting and exiting like this. It seems so much more difficult though...

Looking forward to sharing my next experiences, finally i found a place where to address my questions to <3

Hello all!

I am so happy to have found you guys and excited to share with you and learn. There is so much information in here it is crazy. I answered many questions already through reading your posts. Thank you so much!

I am a 39 year old woman who is totally passionate about astral projection and lucid dreaming, dreams and symbolic language in general. I have been studying persistently the past three years. Anyhow, progress comes slow.

3 year ago I experienced for the first time a vibrational state spontaneously. it woke me up from my sleep and scared me to the bones. I did not know what it was, the sound was so loud, it sounded as if a spaceship was landing right on my head! but it came with a vision: a simple candle burning in the dark and a voice asking me if i accept that this candle cannot burn faster as it does?! I understood right away that it was a lesson about patience.
Only afterwards I learned what is a vibrational state and what you can do with it.
The next time it occurred was a horrible sort of 'attack' and it took me quite a while to get over the fear and find the necessary love, light and firmness to keep on going but eventually I did

Since then I have been meditating with the Hemi-Sync meditations from the Monroe Institute each night. I often put them on repeat and sleep with them until a vibrational state wakes me up. Last year I had a few months where I had VSs and OBEs each week and then suddenly NOTHING happened anymore for 9 months, until last week. And the experience picked up where I had left it 9 months ago: In my hometown, where an inviting situation occurs to enter into the neighbour's house. Each time I did not want to go in because i considered it inappropriate and the journey ended there. Now I try to go back to find what I need to discover, that's how it feels?! I also dream a lot about this... did anyone experience something like this before?

Unfortunately I cannot induce the VS myself yet, it seems like i can't do it without the hemi-sync. Is there a thread in this forum about how to learn how to induce the vibrational state?

I dreamt a couple of times that i am a man and can turn into a wolf... last week I was that man again and kissed a woman who could turn into a bat. but she was so scared because she had no clue that she had this potential, that she could be a bat. As I think both represent a part of me, I call myself here batgirl to hopefully step into this potential more and more. please don't associate it with batman, lol, i did not even think about that dude when i typed the name....

Anyhow, so happy, thanks so much,
batgirl <3