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well... supposively if we were well-informed enough on any topic, we should form an opinion. if you have no opinion, you don't know enough about the topic to form one.

for example..

say someone came up to you and told you there were 2 girls arguing over the last piece of candy in a bag about 1000 miles away. then say they asked 'which of them should get it?'.. you wouldnt care most likely. or youd say you didnt know. but if you knew whod already eaten to most, you might form an opinion based on your beliefs.

thats the general idea, though its on a really small scale.

the more people you have in a country, the more gullible people you have. i agree with peaceful warrior about other countries and their citizens. people seem to be busting on america a lot more since the iraqi situation where anti-american demonstrations were very common. it gets on my nerves when people make fun of our citizens and i find that the people who are going around trying to instigate such responses are as ignorant as the people whom they question in one way or another.

the less intelligent or more gullible members of a country should not be manipulated in ways that make people think less of that country. there are some elected politicians who werent elected because of their brilliance. if we saw more of other countries, such as france or canada, for example, im sure we would find some government officials that really stuck out for their seeming lack of intelligence.

as far as that test, i suppose its online. the US has more internet-using citizens that any other country on earth. the internet is readily available to almost anyone who wants it. in the part of the country i live in, computers are every bit as common as tv's and phones. in other countries, such as, canada, however, it might be a little bit harder to get such readily-available access, therefore slightly limiting the availability of the internet. of course, this limit would only keep the 'lesser' members of society off the internet, providing that country with an online community slightly more well-rounded.

if the canadian population had a percentage of internet users equal to that of the united states, the results of that quiz just might be more accurate. [}:)]

ive heard of such things happening between mother/child, identical twins, and even husband/wife, but never casual friends. are you guys really close so that you may have some sort of spiritual connection?

ah.. like i said, i just skimmed over your post. i went back and read through it and i just sort of repeated some of the things you said, so i guess i cant argue much []

your ideas sure are different... i noticed a few minor things that dont matter much, like the fact that the original buddhists did not believe the buddha himself was a god but a teacher, therefore not believing in a god and not being able to recognize such. and also, the buddha is still being reincarnated supposively, meaning that he has not yet passed on to that next conscious level that you described, so nirvana could not have anything to do with that next spiritual level, should it exist. personally, i believe buddha reached a higher dimension through meditation that robert bruce himself reached and described in astral dynamics.. the realm that was pure white light that robert described as a healing place for the soul.

but to clear that out of your beliefs you would just drop the connections you make to buddhism and nirvana.

as far as time... i'm one of those people who believe that NOTHING is beyond human comprehension, its what seperates us from the animals, we have higher spiritual selves that allow us to eventually comprehend such things as we ascend.

robert bruce has even described places where time either does not exist or is otherwise extremely distorted to the point of having very little effect! so thats a good sign that timelessness is indeed within our comprehension. it seems to me that time is an illusion, like is commonly said. time is only here to divide up which lives live when on earth. when you are reincarnated for example, or as i believe, living your other lives at the same time, kind of parallel, you dont neccessarily have to live your later lives in the future, if there are such things as later lives.

ill half to read the second half of your post later... heh.. o.O.. big post..

i just skimmed over that whole thing as i have other things to do and its really intimidating in size.. but if hell was here on earth, we wouldnt be threatened with it as a punishment after death unless reincarnation came into play.

as far as the big bang theory, the only thing that it explains is why the universe is expanding outwards. the universe was one extremely hot compact, invisible ball because of all the gravity, like a really souped-up black hole, and then it exploded, forcing all matter outwards in all directions.

the question is: where does matter come from? why is it here? why are we here? the big bang theory doesnt have anything to do with those questions, only why we're moving away from other star systems.

as for evolution and the human spirit, have you read any books by zecharia sitchin, psypunk? sitchin is a hebrew scholar that uses masses of evidence to prove that we are both evolved from monkeys and descended of the gods, because the gods took an ape and molded a human out of it, or technically speaking, an ape's genes were spliced with genes of an alien race, and we were originally created to work for those aliens, but we eventually gained intelligence through one of the gods sort of betraying the others (garden of eden situation) and then it started a whole chain reaction of ancient, biblical events. even if it sounds far-fetched from me, sitchin uses so much evidence he makes it sound completely plausible, which it really is when you think about. the aliens had spirits as they were developing beyond the third dimension.

ill be back later to post some more... ive got to check my mail and such. see if mozart's requiem has been posted yet, cant wait to arrange and start sequencing it []

even though im relatively new here too, it looks like im going to be the first to welcome you []

welcome!

wow spirit, thats nice to know....

it seems to me that when you get down to it, whether or not youre christian is all a matter of whether or not you have faith in god. even with tons of contradictions and crossovers into other belief systems not usually associated with christianity, its hard to prove or disprove anything besides that there are such things in the religion. christianity is either a really accurate religion thats easily defended and has millions of people on the right track, or else a huge cult of thickheaded members with answers to everything

i should have fun finding the right path for myself []

yeah exaclty.. christianity has been really distorted over the years. people say similar things like that god can see the future and knows whether or not you're going to heaven. if that was the case, why would he even create mankind? or whay did he create men that would go to hell? there are tons of contradictions just because so many people interpret the bible so many ways, i guess.

yeah that would be more of the parents' fault. i heard that from my grandparents i think.. they read tons of things like that in their sunday papers. i even heard rumors that spongebob was to be cancelled because of that, but i seriously doubt a tv station would go that far over some careless parenting.

heh... sorry about posting this again or moving it back to the top or whatever... i was just trying out the 'edit topic' button.. [:I]

yes, i am a true atheist. i do not believe any single force regulates everything in these lower dimensions. i believe there are definetely higher beings than flesh-and-blood humans, and that they could possibly affect us if it is possibly to descend the dimensions, as we cannot affect the first or second dimensions yet they are interwoven into our 3rd dimension and make up every blade of grass and human blood cell.

thanks for the history of the church and of what they've taught in the past... i'd never heard that anywhere before now. things are certainly starting to clear up.

it sounds as though your personal views played a large part of your post... though i believe in reincarnation, i dont believe that there is neccessarily something to equal out or neutralize everything else in the universe. i believe we're here to learn something from our experiences, and everything doesnt neccessarily have to balance out for us to learn.

thanks!

but god is perfect []

just letting someone suffer like that for all eternity is beyond a little punishment, its more along the lines of vengeance or pay back, but that just sounds a little ungodly to me after hearing about how forgiving he is.

i think the post about the greek mistranslation explains it. the texts that say hell is eternal are innaccurate versions of the greek version.

ahh... ok. that would explain a lot. so now i know what the original idea was..

but arent there certain branches of christianity that preach that hell IS eternal? i know ive seen pat robertson say that on the 700 club plenty of times, though he also said 9/11 was planned and carried out by pagans, gays and lesbians, so im not sure...

psychokinesis isnt as much psychic ability over EVERYTHING as it is power to move physical objects..

hmm...... thats a good one... ill have to say....

no opinion.

sitchin wont say what he thinks the spiritual event will be. nor will he say when he thinks it will be. he's said it will be soon, and very widespread and noticeable.

the spiritual events that happen every 3600 years or so are linked to the planet nibiru passing by earth. these are some of the events of the past that have occured at the time of nibiru's crossings:

annunaki landing on earth,
neanderthals to modern man in an impossible amount of time,
man suddenly jumping from hunting to farming in mere years,
the deluge of the epic of gilgamesh/bible (great flood),
the birth of jesus of nazareth

as for the math.. the texts have been dubbed 'nonsense' by the scientific community last time i heard. they just cant figure them out. sitchin believes they are astronomical calculations for space travel, as the few words on them are related to space flight. of course the sumerians couldnt have been more advanced that us mathematically, we dont even know that much about them (sarcastic..)

er, actually, on the space.com article, planet 'V' (as they call nibiru) was said to disturb the orbits of asteroids, pushing them into the orbits of mars and earth, ratherthan actually colliding before being consumed by the sun. i also read an article on a theory that the solar system is binary with 2 stars, one being a red dwarf between 1 and 3 light years away. this could be possible since there is no way we can tell the distance from earth to other stars. but once again, the evidence that is provided for that theory could very easily be applied to the planet nibiru, orbiting periodically outside of pluto before coming in towards the sun.

and even though this isnt directly related to proving nibiru's existance.. sumerian texts have been found that suggest that the sumerians COULD tell the distance of stars from earth, as well as the distance of stars from each other, and they supposively got this information from annunaki, who also told them of planets invisible to the naked human eye (telescopes also were far from being invented as this is thousands of years bc) such as neptune, uranus, and pluto. and once again, there are the texts filled with mathematically equations that we to this day do not understand.

so... just things to think about. im excited... we're nearing the time of the great spiritual event that sitchin has predicted.

robert bruce goes into some detail about body positions for OBE'ing in 'Treatise on OBE' and 'Astral Dynamics.' 'Treatise on OBE' you can download here, on the downloads page. he recommends a rocking chair with a pillow supporting your head, loose clothing, blanket to keep warm, and if a rocking chair isnt possible, its best to OBE on your back and most people have their tongues just rest on the roof of their mouth during an OBE, allowing breathing and such, but i dont recall much about the blocked airway problem. i remember reading an article that involved it on the article page... but... i dont remember which article or anything specific. just surf around the site and read up.

[Zecharia Sitchin]

if thats the kind of stuff youre interested in, look up some books by this guy...

Zecharia Sitchin

The 12th Planet is his first and sort of introductory book. basically, he's using irreputable evidence to show how we are hybrids of early humans and a race of super-advanced, very spiritual beings. he also ties in his theories on how major religions spawned from their influence on mankind.

it may sound like a bunch of bull, but this guy uses so many ancient mesopotomian sources as well as more modern and well-known facts to help prove his ideas that anybody that wants to call him out would be out of luck, or else made to look a fool, and he posts the public criticism he gets on his website as well as his replies to the people that critiqued him. he uses references from the Bible that were previously misunderstood and confusing, sumerian texts, assyrian texts, greek mythology, astronomy, lots of common sense, and some deep thinking on his own part based on his 30 years of research that led into that first book..

i highly recommend his work.

this question isnt as stupid as it might sound, turkey, and i dont think its in the nature of this forum to call anyone retarded anyway. we obviously dont wake up from every dream we have since we have 20-30 a night, unless you have some kind of bladder problem and take a pee every few minutes.

usually when i remember more than one dream, they mesh together, which might explain why they never really end until you wake up. your mind may just wander all night while you OBE or whatever.

will that really work the way you want it? wouldnt you only be able to see the astral part of iraq?

thanks for the link! this board has to be the most helpful board on earth man..

yeah, linda could be right. that would make sense if you read on sitchins theories and that sort of thing..

heres another explaination based on what ive read by robert bruce..

youre astral body could have had problems coming back to your physical after a night of sleep, too, i guess. then from there on, sleep deprivation could have set in, though 6 or 7 days is way too long for a human to stay awake and survive. maybe i misunderstood? parts of your brain stop functioning correctly after a certain amount of time without sleep, and your body needs sleep to absorb life energy as well. after 100 hours without sleep, you might as well be mentally insane or extremely intoxicated or something to that effect, as well as extremely tired and drained, because people who go without sleep for just 100 hours have become extremely paranoid, confused, delirious, etc.. o.O ..your astral body cant leave easily during certain times, either, but i wont try to explain that because i dont really understand it well myself. youll have to read 'treatise on obe'.
but problems with your astral body re-entering and sleep deprivation.. thats my best guess.

according to robert bruce, or at least how i interpreted what he said, we live all our other lives at the same time, as time doesnt really exist the way we might think it does, and when we die all our past lives' memories catch up to us and we suddenly remember everything. this is the conclusion he came to from going to like the 5th stage up from the physical world.. forgot the name of the place, but he said he saw his deceased friends and family members, as well as people that looked familiar to him but he couldnt place them.. but they just looked so familiar.. and then he stayed there for a while and when he came back he realized how painful the physical actually is and started to cry. this is all from the articles on this site and 'treatise on obe'.

i think this goes along with how he was saying all life forms in the universe eventually merge together into one all-knowing being in some really high form.. when you die you remember all your parallel or past lives, however you want to refer to them, and that would be the first merging, i guess..

something like that o.O.. read 'treatise on obe' and articles concerning reincarnation.

kakkarot, why would god not want you to know something? why would some things not be meant to be known? i like what fenris said about how questioning your beliefs is very healthy.. by making up excuses to cover up flaws in a religion you're just boxing yourself in, and christianity can be very inconsistent. if you try to figure those kinds of things out, you could get a better understanding of christianity, whether you find it to make more or less sense, whether good or bad.. depending on your point of view, which is what this whole topic is about, right?

about hitler.. i heard a lot of things about how people thought that hitler was insane, because of the way he brainwashed all those people so easily. people 'without' 'sanity' are supposed to be very convincing because they believe so much in what they're saying, but the point of reference thing would also make a lot of sense in that case. hitler's sense of good and evil couldve been opposite from what we are taught to believe. but then again, he killed millions of people, made them suffer, and pain is negative no matter what your point of reference. i dont think ive ever met anyone who both rejects love or positive feelings and enjoys negative feelings and pain..

i dont normally think this hard and im already confused.. so i'll leave it at that.. whatever that is.. o.O