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I have always wondered why I end up seeing a purple tunnel fading in and out once I have been meditating for a bit or simple relaxed. Does anyone know what it is or what it can be used for?
Had it since 2012 when I started meditating. I also remember when almost asleep dream images fade in or out of it, sometimes messages, pictures and beings. If my consciousness focus I am brought back to only seeing the purple tunnel and I can see the shadows of the image fading away into the purple tunnel.

I started seeing Purple Waves washing over me during meditation over 40 years ago. Just pure purple waves... no images or anything else. It started a couple months after I first began a meditation practice. I asked older teachers what they might know about it and I got ambiguous replies that did not help anything. I too have similar questions. What is it? What can it be used for? Is it doing something good/useful?

It still comes when I meditate but it disappears as soon as I begin a projection sequence.

This is slightly off topic but is just my perspective on how too astral project and why some people may struggle.

We are bound by this realm in physical bodies. The way around this is to disconnect all your senses from this reality and then you can go from there. This can take practice as you need to be able to have a silent mind and a focused consciousness.

The mind and our consciousness are not the same. You could label consciousness as a soul I guess... to put it in a better perspective.

Dreams are indeed projections, lucid dreams and so on. however when it comes to a dream you let go of your awareness so you can sleep. If an untrained or inexperienced person tried to stay up so they could astral project they may not know that by creating forced thought or thinking in general is what can be holding them back from passing through to the non physical.

If you think [Man that pizza was good] That is your consciousness sending it's intent to your mind and your mind then decodes that intent into our language. by doing this you to remain in the reality because your consciousness is sending signals to your physical mind in that reality. instead of thinking [Man that pizza was good] you need to realize that it doesn't have to be thought out but as consciousness you already have the answer and you knew the pizza was good. Right when the question or statement floated into your focus you already had the answer, however many people can't help but speak out that answer into our physical minds.

Funfire, this could be at least two or three different threads and none fit this topic but they are excellent seeds for fruitful discussion.
* Mind vs Consciousness
* Perception and intent vs human cognition
* Dream vs Lucid Dream vs OBE vs Pure Beingness

To say that "The mind and our consciousness are not the same. You could label consciousness as a soul I guess... to put it in a better perspective." is a key realization that would be a great starting point from which many could move forward in this OBE projection effort. How can you project something when you don't even know what it is that you are projecting? This is why so many people can't project OBE or even remember a dream. They are almost completely identified in their awareness with the physical senses. Until they make the effort to exercise the muscles of a more subtle awareness success in this endeavor will remain elusive.

This is why I do not categorize a regular dream as a 'projection'. I associate 'projection' with intent and regular dreams happen regardless of intent. Lucid dreams don't really count either since they are just dreams that the conscious awareness (not to be confused with consciousness) infused itself by virtue of a habit such as a reality check, and human ego takes hold. Last night I was in a dream with my family and I began flying as I do so often. I became lucid and I turned to my family and asked, "why doesn't anyone else ever fly?. As usual I got no reply. I then flew away and dissolved the scene and moved into a weak level OBE state. None of these have the same quality as an OBE projection that I make from the waking state in the physical body and then making the intent to roll out of the body and then subsequently exiting the body with full conscious awareness.

Another great concept is, "If you think [Man that pizza was good] That is your consciousness sending it's intent to your mind and your mind then decodes that intent into our language." But I think the consciousness does not really 'send intent'. Consciousness makes the intent to consume pizza. That intent precipitates as the physical act of eating pizza. It perceives a particular quality in the pizza and that perception precipitates into the human awareness as a positive experience and is labeled 'good'.

Exactly! But then you will wake up in a lucid dream without all that worrying about doing it right. Works for me and I don't spend hours trying to stay awake while falling asleep.

That's really WILD!

It sounds like a good method for a chronically sleep deprived society... as long as one can muster very strong and clear intent.

[40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."]

How did I come to this knowledge?  A very long string of occurrences.

I am guessing that it started from a young age with;

Matthew 22:36-40New International Version (NIV)
36 "Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?"
37 Jesus replied: "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.'[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

hmmm ...  one murder of an innocent priest justifies the ensuing mass murder of many innocent people who happen to belong a specific creed that was not mainstream at the time - a 'war' which some call genocide- at least so regarded by some historians ..

There are a LOT of Christian hating anti-Catholic bigots masquerading as 'historians'.

The assassination of a diplomat is generally recognized as being an act of war. And as usual, this was not an isolated event. The Cathar nobility routinely murdered Catholic priests in the region and burned their churches to the ground. Rome had been negotiating peacefully for many years in hopes of settling their differences peacefully. The murder of Legate Pierre de Castelnau was just the last straw.

All wars of that period led to mass murder. That is the way things were done in those days. Calling it genocide is ahistorical nonsense.

My questions to you astral-nauts are the following:

Could the relationship between oxidization of the body and the ability to experience lucid dreams explain the common belief that physical health or a vegan diet is an important factor?

I don't understand why there is such a strong correspondence between DMT, dreams and REM when some people can just project at will during the day. What is happening chemically in the minds of these people?

I am not an expert but I thought there was a Melatonin/Serotonin cycle mostly unrelated to DMT.
A vegan diet may help but it is by no means critical. I know very sick people who get OBE with little effort. Oxidation is not a major factor, imho.
Some people can get into a REM state better than others even during the middle of the day. I am not one of them. My little brother has always been able to drift into a sleep state within 5 minutes 24/7.

Do you know how all of those countries got to be Christian in the first place? It was a wonderful bouquet of inquisitions, torture, genocides, a bunch of wars on the side. Did I mention multiple genocides? Somewhere between one third and one half of the entire population of southern France is estimated to have been killed during a single war, the Albiginsian Crusade. They were all killed because they believed in a different kind of Christianity where Jesus was just a teacher, eating meat was bad and reincarnation was real. That was just one war. The Saxons also had a genocide committed against them by Charlemagne, in the name of Christianity, acting as the Holy Roman Emperor. Then there were the Native Americans...

I'm just providing the other side of the coin here. Christianity has a lot of politics baked into its doctrines and historical roots in pagan sun-worship, but that's another subject we could talk about if you like.

Nearly every statement you made is false.

The Inquisition didn't even exist until Christianity was over 1000 years old and had already spread throughout all of Europe.
The Cathars were responsible for starting the war called the Albigensian Crusade when they assassinated a Vatican Diplomat trying to negotiate with them in Languedoc (Please stop killing priests and burning our churches).
There was no genocide against the Saxons by Charlemagne... just standard run of the mill territorial conquest. He was made Holy Roman Emperor AFTER he completed his conquests.
The VAST majority of Native Americans died from smallpox and other diseases that they had no immunity to. Christianity had essentially nothing to do with it.
Christianity has to have its roots in something -- everything does.


EDIT; You ask -- "Do you know how all of those countries got to be Christian in the first place?"

Yes, I do. Christianity spread peacefully throughout the Roman Empire for hundreds of years DESPITE brutal persecution by Roman Authorities

... And as we can see in modern feminism if you let women take control, they are very territorial too in their own way with the brain washing of western society.

And I didn't even get into how feminists have dominated in the courts to get women the best of both worlds in divorces, along with everything else. The pendulum has already swung too far to the other side in western society, it's time to wake up.

Even back around 1985 we were being brainwashed with this idea of men causing war, etc.
I mentioned to one female friend how if God snapped his fingers and made all men in the world disappear we would theoretically be in a world of peace, love and harmony.

She replied with a chuckle... "within 6 months half the women of the world would be dead and half the survivors would be wandering around blind after their eyes had been scratched out...."

So an experience like this what do we categorize it as, a sort of projection, though we still in the body?

I would say the short answer is; Yes.

But I don't see what agenda there is in discussing the accepted definitions of words. It helps to define terms when two parties are using the terms differently, and that difference can cause difficulty in understanding one another properly.

This world we live in definitely contains polarities. Obvious ones are the charge of "particles", and spin of particles. But when we are talking about things like male or female "energy", I guess it matters if we are talking about loose figurative terms, or literal fundamental ones. In a figurative sense, sure there are the ideas of creation and destruction, assertion and passivity, and it makes sense to associate them with the different sexes. But are we talking about fundamental structure of the universe at that point? Clearly calling creativity "feminine" is not as fundamental as calling a particle's charge negative?

I think this may be what is tripping people up here. It may not be clear whether we are talking about a figurative myth, or a base fundamental.

Not only does the universe "definitely contain polarities" but it absolutely depends on it. There would be no physical universe without it. Also calling creativity "feminine" is, imho, more fundamental than calling a particle's charge negative (which truly is completely arbitrary). Electrons and protons carry opposite charge but which one we choose to call positive (and the other negative) is strictly convention.

On the other hand male and female anatomical and physiological differences do manifest as real differences in general proclivities and abilities.

But keeping on track with the OP, the suggestion to develop and manifest more "masculine energy" is not just an arbitrary label. The male human machine and the female human machine do burn fuel differently. A stove burns one type of fuel and a car another type and a jet another type... they may just be different forms of hydrocarbon but they are very different in significant ways.

At a certain starting point the fundamental Energy that animates the Universe may be undifferentiated but the moment it enters the mental realm, the emotional realm or the physical realm it must first split and become polarized in order to operate any of the machinery. So when a suggestion is made to channel more masculine or feminine energy it is not just an arbitrary or meaningless label but it can very well be good, practical advice for those who may be out of balance and are burning too much of the wrong kind of fuel.

We have to make a bit of distinction here.

The medical definitions of "sex" and gender" are different and distinct.

Sex refers to physiology. Male and female physiologies are unquestionably different. They are physically and chemically different.

Gender refers specifically to social roles that are associated with each biological sex.

Sex is biology, and gender is psychology/ sociology.

Sex is an unchangeable reality. Gender is a combination of evolutionary psychology, and arbitrary social rules which are unique to the society the individual finds them self in, such as roles relating to childrearing, or social interactions. I think there is value in questioning the norms related to gender, insofar as they are not common across different societies, which is proof they are partially arbitrary.

Gosh Stillwater, I am going to try to reply to your politically leaning comments as best I can without sounding political....

The topic is "masculine energy"

In the metaphysical sense ( is it okay to talk about the metaphysical sense?) we recognize the existence of polarity in this physical universe. We have up and down, hot and cold, in and out, left and right (ooops! scratch that last example)

In my experience there is a realm of universal undifferentiated energy that exists as potential with respect to this universe of duality where positive energy exists in relation to its opposite, negative energy. In Hindu terms we are talking about Shiva, Vishnu and Brahm.
Within the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, Brahma is the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. The destructive element is generally identified with the Left.
(Ya gotta pick one...)

Right?

That much is fundamental. Otherwise we don't even have a physical universe to operate in.

The rest proceeds logically from there.

This goes entirely into the subject of "masculine energy".  Such a thing simply doesn't exist.  Energy is as neutral as it comes.
It requires a consciousness (us) to define it, to label it... but it's still an entirely subjective label.

This claim is almost entirely false.

There definitely is a thing called masculine energy.

Energy manifests as positive and negative all over the place.

It might require consciousness to arbitrarily apply plus and minus labels to naturally occurring polarity but there is NOTHING SUBJECTIVE about what will happen to someone who sticks a metal poker into a hot electrical socket.

So wait a minute your like one of those modern feminists that say that were all gender neutral? Hahaha Dude you crack me up. Your the extreme one here. Saying that gender is all a cultural construct.

I just want to chime in here and let you know, Plasma, that you are not alone. The plain and simple facts of reality mean nothing to these loons. Testosterone and estrogen are just the beginning of the objective evidence for how WRONG they are.

When a human is born with male genitalia he is male.
When a human is born with female genitalia she is female.
[queue the almost totally irrelevant nitpik about hermaphrodites that occur in infinitesimally small numbers]

When they get older and get confused about what they really are it is called "Gender Identity Disorder".

Deep Denial among the "Drone Class" is basically a lifestyle for a large percentage of modern society. How long this can continue is the question of the day.

EDIT: Please keep the left/right political garbage talk off these forums.  There's no place for it here.  Thanks.  ~Xanth

Like Thomas said I also think you are both correct. To me the defining difference between physical and non-physical is I take the physical to be this place here where my physical body 'can' go. The non-physical is that place where my physical body 'can not' go.

If someone says, "This "physical reality" *IS* an "astral reality"." and someone else says, "No, they're not" ... they are not both correct.

If that's "illogical thinking" to you... when the truth slaps you in the face and you refuse to believe it because of the box you've placed yourself into... well, you're illustrating my point perfectly.

That's exactly what I refer to when I say people get stuck in their boxes.  You refuse to even consider what I'm saying because you're stuck in your way of thinking. 

What "truth" are you referring to? It is not that I refuse to believe you as a matter of faith... I refute your false claim and illogical thinking.

Just because I use a "box" to organize things and I use "labels" as a step on a ladder it does not mean I am stuck anywhere. On the contrary, those who refuse to use boxes and labels properly are usually cast adrift and getting nowhere fast while those who use them properly actually make progress.

Have you ever really felt around during your projections?  Ran your hand along a wall?  Climbed a tree?  Felt the breeze on your face?  I have, and I've done this kind of test MANY times... the conclusion come to is that what we subjectively call the "non-physical" *IS*, in fact, VERY physical while you're experiencing it.  So, then, it simply becomes a matter of perspective, because when I'm "there", this physical reality is what feels like the non-physical reality. 

Hmmm, that giant leap of illogical thinking doesn't make sense. Just because something feels like it is something it doesn't mean that it *is* that something. I have some polyester pajamas that feel like silk but they definitely are not silk pajamas.

And yes, I have felt around during my projections. I have felt the rough surface of a wall and then pushed my hand right through that wall -- definitely *not* physical.

It's not until I really started to delve deeper into projection that I found that the labels "Physical" and "Non-physical" are whole-fully inadequate to define our experiences.  Kind of like what I was saying the other day about the term "OBE" from Monroe.  They're limiting labels which, in turn, only limit yourself.

And now you are not just being illogical but you are also inconsistent. The other day I recall you dismissed the Monroe terminology of "Out-of-Body" that people have embraced because "it feels like leaving the body". So... the "feeling" qualification is only valid when you say it is?

For me, the terms simply don't work anymore.  My experiences don't fit neatly into the classical boxes/labels I've been given, so I throw them away in an attempt to stay "box-less".

For me, the terms work well enough and I am not afraid of boxes or labels. I find them to be useful tools to be used when when they fit the job at hand.

Actually, I'd stay FAAAAAAAAAAR away from Robert Bruce.  He's a fear-monger.  The only thing you will learn from him is to fear your non-physical experiences.  He spreads fear in the hopes that "HE" is the only one who can help you.  You'll find he posts a lot about negative spirits and such and expounds this information to the point where it's become extremely tiresome.

He did a "discussion/interview" with Tom Campbell once and it was extremely enlightening to see the two of them talk.  He's so fear-based that he's like an open book.

I saw that interview a few years ago and my memory of it is not crystal clear, but I do not recall the comments of Robert Bruce in that interview being all that fear based. I did notice that the guy with a Phd in Physics was a little more articulate than the guy with a high school diploma. I also notice that Bruce speaks openly about his astral projection experiences while Campbell provides very little detail about his NPMR experiences.

I will also say that my first successful attempts at full conscious OBE were during the time when I was following a Robert Bruce method. I do not agree with him on a lot of things but I will give credit were credit is due and I think his book is a good read for people asking the type of question in this OP.

Let's put it this way...
This "physical reality" *IS* an "astral reality".

I disagree.

The physical realm is physical. The astral realm is non-physical, by definition. They are labeled differently because they are different. Just like the "H" and the "C" on typical water faucets. These are very useful labels and you do not want to confuse them.

fatfooty, to get a better understanding you might want to read a couple books on the subject. Maybe try Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce. He describes a layer he calls the RTZ or Real Time Zone that is an exact replica of earth that many people see when they get OBE. It is not what I would call "astral" but since most people have never consciously projected there it doesn't really matter.

I am little bit confused isnt yin yang playing the duality game and the reason i am alergic xd to labelling is because that label appeears to be only truth for peole and i think it will go in good/bad, right/wrong and i think thats the problem we like to call thing name they arent and then traped in our own made labbels i am little bit confused now on this subject so i dont know if i cleared out what i wanted to say


Anyways lets please go back to topic : D

Duality game -- shmooality game... just make sure you don't confuse H2O with electrons...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a97J7j84gWY

You know i don't really know in what direction i want bring this topic i mean like my question is what people really mean when they say speak about Masculine Energy, when they tell you tune into it,  do this, be this i feel like someone is trying to label me and i if i follow their let's call "advices" i loose my self but still what you think what is Masculine Energy how it can be identifed and does it have any characteristics and maybe your basic knowledge about Masculine energy in general.

Google "Yin/Yang"

When did society become allergic to "labels"?

Labels can be a very useful tool. TOols can be used in a variety of ways. A hammer is usually used to build something or make quick progress on a project that would otherwise take a very long time without it. Just because someone occasionally uses it to break into someone's home does not make it a bad thing all of a sudden.

I keep trying, Right now I'm just trying to get my truck insurance paid. It is hard to get over a life time of indoctrination.

A certain amount of indoctrination is a good thing. It gives us a framework and temporary base to operate from. It allows for one to get a little traction on something should you ever want to try to move forward one day. (Almost no one does).

When you said, "Not that I haven't wanted to but things like this usually backfire for me" you got a check mark in my box that says

• This person is on a genuine Path of Learning.
  I too went through a phase where I used metaphysical techniques to get things I wanted. I amazed myself with what I could do. But I also noticed that things usually came with stuff attached that I definitely did not want. Live and Learn.
  
  I was reading a little treatise on karma by some obscure guru. He said that there are basically three types of karma;
  the kind that you can change easily (things like attitude)
  the kind you can change with great effort (things like financial independence)
  the kind you have almost no hope of ever altering (which is essentially Dharma/Destiny)
  
  
  
  
  
  

In my mind if you have complete domination over your environment in this realm then i can just transport myself to the other side of the universe, change into a bird, ant or experience what it would be like viewing the world from the size of an atom. All these things i want to do but just flying like a superman at will as normally as i can walk would be the most massive achievement. What are your thoughts.   

I have done all of the things you mentioned here and I did not ever use a 'power command' to accomplish any of them. The changing into a bird experience was not even something I had on my 'to do' list -- it just happened to be part of a William Buhlman guided meditation CD I was listening to and it blew me away when it actually happened. The vast majority of the time I find guided meditations to be counter productive and they just get in the way.

Going underground and exploring there just happened spontaneously when I was trying a new exit technique that involved "diving". That was a pretty cool OBE. I also had a short experience in the mineral realm during an OBE where I went to Akasha and I used an unusual tool to explore a specific question I had. That experience was almost beyond words.

Flying is just something I have almost always done naturally in dreams or while OBE. The few times I have even bothered to actually try 'walking' from one place to another I had to use specific intent to do so. The first couple times I did this I landed back in my body before I could get very far. It was as if my Consciousness was saying "Oh, you want to operate with physical limitations... here you go...."

I believe that my decades of meditation and intensive practice of specific Spiritual Exercises gave me the sense of detachment needed to just lift off and fly around freely on a whim. I agree with part of what Blidge says here but disagree with another part;
"If you intend to develop a shortcut and do it quickly and easily then you will probably do that. These are all mind tricks. There is no real "hard work" that ever has to be done. You only have to discover how to flip that switch. It's a very subtle and trippy thing, and it's all in your head. Just feel and experiment."
Yes, there are little tricks that can be used to initiate a flying sequence. These are good to try and learn how to use. But it is not just 'all in your head' in a deeper sense. When Blidge says, 'If I am feeling "stuck" in waking life, I can have dreams where I try to run but appear to be tangled up and can't go anywhere.' he is dead on. That is it in a nutshell. This is what nearly everyone on planet earth is dealing with. Getting beyond this requires a daily regime of heavy lifting on a regular basis in the consciousness/awareness workout gym.

It is still practiced today unfortunately for those who enter without prior knowledge. Young girls below consensual age are 'interfered' with on an altar which is part of the ritualistic goings on. This I have had some 'connection' with and done the right hand thing. Those taking part were assisted to a term of enlightenment in the form of a sabbatical at her majesty's pleasure.
Totally disgusted with the disregard shown by the members of the cult, action had to be taken. The young girl is free of them as a result and is living her life free from the infection they imposed.
It's not a nice thing to endure especially if you fail exams as a result. You mess up your life and no cult is worth that whatever false promises are indoctrinated before the initiation.

I think maybe you have this group confused with some other cult, Szaxx.

Here is a list of some of his other books;
http://rememberingthegnosticmovement.com/books-and-dvd/a-course-in-astral-travel-and-dreams/

It doesn't look like my cup of tea but it sure isn't into altars and Satanic stuff. They use the pentagram but it is NEVER inverted. There is a lot of attention on their exalted Master, which is a concern.

If I can get Bedeekin to come back and post a bit more about his experiences with Sleep Paralysis...
He used it as a leap-board to projection for the last, oh, I believe 20 or 30 years.

His method for doing it is posted on the board somewhere.

Confusing the sleep disorder known as "sleep paralysis" with entering the "mind awake, body asleep" condition does not change anything regardless of how frequently that particular mistake is made.

I believe left handed devil connection goes back to the early Latin church days.  I believe sinister means left handed.  I know it is still used in chemistry to describe "left handed" isomers of molecules.

Actually it wasn't just an early Latin Church thing. It was freeking UNIVERSAL across basically all cultures, all continents, across eons of time and persists in many parts of the world to this day. It would have been unusual for any culture to not think that way. (please see the link that Szaxx provided above).

I never knew any one in their right mind would 'want' to experience sleep paralysis.

Me neither. In fact no one really would if they actually knew what it was. It is a highly undesirable sleep disorder.

I have a list of things I see people repeating over and over again on these Astral projection forums and whenever I see someone recommending them I put a check mark in their "this person doesn't know what he is talking about" box.

The Robert Monroe description was "mind awake, body asleep" and that made perfectly good sense. Why anyone would want to mess that up with "sleep paralysis" is a mystery.

https://www.verywell.com/what-is-sleep-paralysis-3014777

I had hundreds of full conscious projections before I experienced anything close to sleep paralysis.
The vibrations are another thing that is not at all necessary, though I did pass through them a lot in the early days when I first began attempting full conscious projection with conscious intent.

Like you, I previously had mostly Lucid Dreams and also would occasionally just "wake up" outside my body. I didn't even know what astral projection was and really didn't care. For decades I practiced a serious regimen of Spiritual Exercises and a couple times a year the pressure built up and I had to 'shed a little skin' as I grew. Virtually every one of those spontaneous projections involved astounding visions and revelations of a sort that few people can even imagine.

When I began to learn how to project more "at will" the inner drama settled down considerably and I learned a LOT about my psyche and spiritual unfoldment. Access to the really High Spiritual Realms must be earned. By the third day in a row of ego motivated intent to project the experiences dwindled into ridiculously limited and mundane scenarios.

Most people do not know how to astral project. Of those who do, most use it for truly uninspired purposes. Like buying a brand new Mercedes Benz and taking it directly to a demolition derby.