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I didn't vote for Bush the first time, but wasn't too upset....till 9/11. He pulled the typical republican ploy to win the second time -- throw abortion and gay marriage into the mix -- which hadn't been issues up till election time. Thus ensuring that all staunch christians would turn out to vote. When he won the second time, I thought I would get physically sick.

I remember seeing a cartoon years ago about him. He was standing with a bible in one hand and an oozie in the other. To me, that's the perfect representation for him....

Sorry, got a bit side-tracked. (sore topic for me).

I keep trying to help you, and you keep spitting in my face.  All I can say is that I can't wait until you pass on and leave behind this foolishness. 

morning_star, I'm not sure who your post was directed at, but I would suggest you calm down. The topic being debated is infinity and 0. You have one opinion on the subject. Some members agree, some disagree, and some partially agree. The purpose for these forums is to debate topics and learn from each other. 

Your 'truth' is only one of many truths. Everyone has their own version. If you took the time to read through the posts on this forum, there are countless posts (many with 'truth' in the subject line) where members believe they have found *the truth* --- others disagree with it. There is no right or wrong here, regardless of your personal beliefs. Everyone's opinions are just as valid as yours. We welcome your contribution, but not to the exclusion or belittlement of different thoughts and ideas by other members.

The "spitting in your face" as you call it, is the response you are eliciting from others not from what you are saying, but from the way you are saying it. Two totally different things.



As to the topic at hand, I can understand how 0 could represent infinity. From a mathematic point of view (and I could be wrong as its been about 20 years since college) I believe Einstein theorized that the universe was essentially circular. That if you started in one spot and walked in a straight line, at some point you would arrive back to where you began. Numerically, I agree that 0 represents nothing. However 0 is also a circle. No beginning and no end => endless => infinite. Now, I'm not sure I agree that endless = infinite, but I could somewhat understand that.

So I think one possible way to look at is 0 = nothing and 0 is a circle. A circle has no beginning and no end. And the numerical concept of 0 = nothing could represent the return to the beginning. We begin as nothing, are born, grow, die, return to nothing, then are born again. A cycle. In that respect, I suppose nothing could be infinite, but I don't think this concept was mentioned yet.

Not saying I agree with this, just throwing it out as a possibility to consider!

There was nothing 'superior' in my comment or response. I was neither rude nor condenscending. I merely stated that the two of you respond similarly in this thread:  you both know you are right, you both know the other is wrong, you both address each other in a condescending tone. I found it amusing because I don't think either one of you realised you were doing this...which is evident from your responses.

Everyone sees things differently, especially if you are on the outside looking (like me watching you two go back and forth).

Mentioning similarities between two people is disrespectful??   

I'll leave you two continue.

"beast" is another word for the devil.

I didn't mention a ban nor did I give any warning to you. I merely made an observation -- you and morning_star tend to 'debate' things in a very similar fashion. I simply found it amusing -- that's all.

Actually morning_star I wasn't offended in the least. I found your post condescending and misinformed, which is why I joking threw out the possibility that it could easily be directed at you.

AM made a very good, and accurate, observation: actions speak louder than words.

I think some of what you wrote is possible. I think what you've hinted that you *know* or is *true* is overstated. And before you retort that I'm simply floundering in negativity and close-mindednesss, consider that some here (and many people elsewhere) adhere to the adage: those who talk don't know; those who know don't talk. Silence sometimes speaks louder than words. And often times important points are better understand with very few words.

Change your perception and you can change reality.

Hmm...apparently you didn't notice the quote under each of my posts...   

morning_star and sharpe -- the pot and kettle calling each other black   

Electro...

This is your first warning. Profanity and rudeness are not tolerated here. It is against the Acceptable Use Policy, which you agreed to when becoming a member.

Sarah...that was hysterical! 

Sorry Melody...I clicked the link and could only stomach the first 2 minutes before closing the window. Just not my thing. All he did was talk about how devil worship and satanism is mainstream everywhere you look. He didn't give any examples within the 2 minutes that I watched. The video was 8 minutes long. But all I could do was roll my eyes at him.

I didn't find him convincing, I found him a bit scary in his grip on his beliefs and religion and what he sees all around him as threatening that. I just don't 'do' conspiracy theories.



However, as for songs and stuff. I do agree with AM. I've noticed a lot of songs my teenage daughter listens to are much more ... inspirational than the stuff from my generation (barring a minority of songs). But Sarah makes a great point. Maybe it's not that society is awakening now, but that there are songs/movies/stuff available in each generation to help inspire and motivate. It's just an issue of what you gravitate towards.

Good stuff!

I think this was a better place for your post AM.

At first I thought I understood your question, but then I read volcomstone's response and now I'm not sure I do.

I have been in a scene and focused on one thing only, willing it to 'grow' and it happens instantly. For example, I was floating in space once and saw a bright orange cube way off in the distance. I thought "hmm, wonder what it would be like to be in that..." Then I was instantly inside the cube. Another time I looked at something and couldn't see it too well, so I focused on it and then I was beside it, or it had grown in size and was beside me, not sure which.

Is that what you are asking?

This topic has been moved to Welcome to Astral experiences!.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=26847.0

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dainch wrote:

if you are a member of these forums you know full well the power of the human mind and the fact that if enough mind power is directed toward an idea then that idea becomes a reality. Concepts and ideas are just as real as tangible objects except that they do not exist on the physical plan they exist on the mental plane

This is a common belief of AP members, however it is not a requirement. These forums are open to everyone regardless of their beliefs. So long as their posts are not derogatory or inflammatory, they can post as many diverse thoughts and ideas as they want.

These boards are specifically open for debate. so when debate comes, don't get too defensive if some disagree with you. I think disagreement is a great way to better understand things. 


morning_star wrote:

Ignorance plays a huge factor in incomplete ideas..... 

I wonder if you were addressing yourself here... 

Variables should be used only be used to teach high school algebra, not to be applied to fixed laws.  Most people (like someone here) don't understand that they don't know enough to form complete, correct, and logical ideas applicable to the universe.

Mathematics is intricately linked to fixed laws -- both physical and universal.

The sooner you realize you don't know or understand most things, the sooner you can sit down with a willing mind and learn the truth.

And what "truth" would that be?

I'm assuming from your post you are a teenager (still living at home and going to school). If so, then you are a bit limited to what you can do. Keep in mind, though, your parents are concerned because they care. They aren't trying to dominate, just make sure you are safe and healthy.

From what you've written, I don't see anything harmful in what you're reading (looking at it from someone not interested in this stuff). If they do call a psychologist, your parents may be surprised by the result. Psychology is one of the bigger proponents (believers) of affirmations. As for hermetic concepts like the Law of Attraction, that's a bit different, but not by much.  I don't think any reputable psychologist will do or suggest anything based on this stuff.

Now, if your parents are deeply religious and called a priest/rabbi/whatever (not sure of your faith) then I would worry. But that doesn't sound like an issue for you as you hadn't mentioned it.

Overall, I wouldn't stress out about it. Maybe you should be proactive and discuss this with your parents before they call anyone. That might help them understand what you are thinking.

Lastly, if you are an adult and living on your own, there isn't much they can do. They have no legal claim of dependency on you...unless you live at home.

Hope this helps!

...and I really think talking to them first is the best bet. Many times things get blown out of proportion simply due to lack of communication.

This question has been asked many, many times. If you do a search, you'll find a bunch of links with responses.

Here are two recent ones:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/astral_lucid_dream_or_astral_projection-t26405.0.html

ttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/is_this_an_accurate_chart_of_conciousness-t26596.0.html

I'm going to lock this post since it is covered quite a bit in the most recent topic "is this an accurate chart of consciousness."  So if you want to post further questions, please do so to that thread.

I took some pictures to prove it because there are already too many people thinking that I'm crazy

you know?!  (hehe...just kidding -- couldn't resist)

Interesting pictures. I see what you're describing. Of course the skeptic in me (always nice to have one to balance out the optimist) wonders if the same thing happens if you move to different sections of the bridge versus at that one place. Also, it would be interesting to get a picture of you standing right beside someone else. Additionally, you standing off while someone else stands in the spot where you were standing.

I'm just curious, because you can't tell from the shots, but is light reflecting off of something above and behind you that is casting light on the water and it only appears brighter because your shadow is a stark contrast compared to the 'non-shadowed' water.

You mentioned its been happening for 3 weeks, so I'm assuming you see this as it follows you across the bridge, but the pictures all show that one spot -- hence the initial questionning in my mind. Also, you said it doesn't occur around anyone else, which is why I'd like to see a comparison.

Other than that...it looks pretty fascinating I must say. 

Scarred -- I've seen two other posts of yours this morning and not a single post has any punctuation at all. Can you please use periods? I'm sure I'm not the only one unable to easily follow what you wrote because we don't know where to stop and start.

Thanks!

Bird-
I'll leave the post as is, but in the future, can you please simply post a link if someone is interested. This post is huge and we like to keep the posts manageable for the members.

Thanks!

It sounds like you are describing energy sensations. The chinese call it chi. If you focus on it, you should be able to sense it all throughout your body, not just your spine (the common English word for vertegral column). If you stop and lift your hand, looking and paying attention ONLY to one of your fingers. You should, if you are attuned enough, be able to feel energy accumulating in it. With practice you can do this anywhere in your body -- it's called moving energy.

You may want to do some reading on tai chi and chi kung. Both deal with this type of stuff. Yoga works with prana, which is breath, but generates similar energy sensations as well as sensitivity to feeling energy. So that may be another thing to look into.

To me, soul is a temporary housing of the personality we are during physical life. The spirit, in the context of this discussion, is the uniqueness that is the sum total of all our experiences (so all of our souls added together from all physical lives = spirit). The soul is temporary while the spirit is eternal.

Just my current definition -- I change them as I learn and grow though.

I remember reading about this years ago, but couldn't recall exactly. Below is a section from the Univ of Mich website on Egyption mythology:

The Egyptians believed that every person was composed of three essential elements: body, ba, and ka.

The body is the physical body and is unique to each individual. As a person gets older, so the body ages and changes - the Egyptians' expressed the idea of growing up as a process of "making changes" - and death is the last change.

Each person also has a ba. Though the ba is also unique to each individual, it is not a physical entity.  Ba is sometimes translated as "manifestation," and can be thought of as the sum total of all the non-physical things that make a person different from others. In this sense, ba is very similar to what we call "personality" or "character." In the afterlife, the ba is represented as a bird, often with a human head.

Each person also has what is called a ka, or life-force, and it is the ka which is the difference between being alive and being dead. Unlike the ba, the ka is not individual, but common to all living people and the gods: in the beginning, the creator made ka, and ka enters each person's body at birth. Like the ba, the ka is not a physical entity, though it has a definite physical connection. In the plural, ka means "sustenance," linking it to the idea of food. In fact, ancient Egyptians would bring food to a dead person's tomb as an offering to his or her ka. But since the ka is not strictly physical, the food was not there to be literally eaten by the deceased or the deceased's ka, but it was the life-preserving force in the food that was being offered.

When a person dies, so the Egyptians believed, the ba and ka become seperated from the body, though they do not die. In the New Kingdom period and after, the Egyptians effected this seperation through the Opening of the Mouth ritual, in which the ba and ka are released to go to the next world.

In the next world, or underworld, the goal is to live with ones ka. In order for this to happen, the ka needs to be summoned back to the body and recognize it. But since the body is bound in its wrappings, it must rely on its ba to seek out its ka. During the nightime, when the sun god, Ra, is said to visit the underworld, the ba may roam freely in the underworld, or to popular places in this world, but it's anchor in this world, where it must return when Ra leaves the underworld, is the body, because together they are part of the same whole being.

In seeking a union with the ka, the ba must overcome many potential dangers in the underworld. But if it does succeed, it will reunite with the ka and form what is called akh. The Egyptian's believed that there are only three kinds of beings that inhabit the hereafter: the dead, the gods, and akhs. Akhs are those who have successfully made the transition to new life in the next world, where they live with the gods. The dead are those who have failed to make the transition. It is said that they have "died again," with no hope of renewed life.

My take on this is similar to yours. The ba is similar to soul and the ka is akin to spirit. However, they treat the interaction between the 2 (body, ba and ka) different than we do -- or at least different than what I've read.

I hit reply, and then sat here thinking of what to say... 

First off, I don't approve of physical abuse -- whether it's committed by a man or woman. As greggkroodsma (I'll call you gregg for short) posted, we are only hearing one side of the story. And recounting these experiences are NEVER unbiased, no matter how much we try to make them. This isn't a slam to you Zarklon -- this is purely a human fact. We can only relate what we perceive to have happened.

However, with that said, I have no issue with a man restraining a woman who is being physically violent with him (and I'm a woman). As far as I'm concerned, if you are going to hit, don't be surprised if someone hits back. Of course, the stronger the individual, the more restraint they need to learn in responding. (Always a catch, isn't there.) But this isn't the key issue. You're question is basically about how to love again.

This scares me because I know I love this girl

With all due respect, I read that part of your post and went "huh?"

You are out of 2-year, tenuous relationship for only 3 weeks and you *know* you are in love again?!

Maybe the first thing to do is evaluate your definition of love. My sense is what you are feeling is the combination of joy and tenderness you didn't have in your last relationship. This new person is nice and good, as far as you're concerned, and you can't think of why you shouldn't lover her, yet you don't have this energy you equate with love surrounding her. Maybe it's because you aren't in love with her?

I'm not trying to sound trite or blaise, but I don't see how anyone can establish a deep, soul reaching feeling of love for someone else in 3 weeks time. Especially if they are just out of a long-term, bad relationship. And this appears to be your dilemma. Why aren't you feeling the love your head tells you you should feel? The problem is your head doesn't determine love, that's all done by your heart. It tells your brain what's what in this area.

Personally, I think you're moving way too fast. I wouldn't even be dating again for at least 6 months if it were me (actually if it were me, it would probably be more like a year). I think you've been hurt on a number of levels in your last relationship. Before you are capable of feeling that kind of love for someone else, you need to find it within yourself. Only then can you share that with others. And 3 weeks is a blink of the eye when it comes to time. Of course, this could also be a generational difference. The word 'love' doesn't appear to mean the same thing to younger people as it does to me and a lot of my friend.

Of course, this suggestion comes from a much older person (  ), but I simply don't think you are ready to make any decision like this right now. Regardless of how wonderful this new girl is, tell her the truth -- You aren't ready for another relationship right now. If she's 'the one', she'll understand and wait for you. If not, then you have your answer. It may sound harsh, but it's the truth -- or I should say it's the truth based on what I've seen over the years.

Hope this helps!

Sometimes you will get dream overlays. This happens when your awareness during the experience isn't clear and sharp. Then images from your imagination start to creep in. Another possibility is that you were actually talking to your friend while he was OBE as well. If he was aware at the time, he may recall the incident. Depending on his views, you may want to ask him the next time you see him OBE if he knows he's OBE and his body is asleep elsewhere. If he does, chances are he'll remember the experience upon waking and the two of you can share your experiences. However, if he seems confused by what you are saying, he's probably not aware enough to carry the experience back to waking consciousness.

One of the things I've noticed in these instances is what the person looks like. When I'm OBE, my surroundings always appear to be semi-translucent shades of white, even the people. However, with the people, most of them tend to look light grey, like cigarette smoke. They can carry on a conversation at the time, but they aren't conscious of what they are doing at the time. And they have no memory of the experience upon waking. Other times, the people look bright and clear. And this, it would seem, is also a reflection of their awareness. Because these people tend to be aware, at least to some extant, of the experience and can carry it back to waking consciousness. So next time you're 'out' and see your friend. See what he looks like (dull and grey or bright and clear). Also ask him specifically about OBE and see what his response is.

You forgot the most common option to do this: suicide.

What you are asking is how to die, which is what leaving your body permanently would be. Why do you want to do this?

As for your 3 ideas, I don't think any of them will work -- of course, I've never tried it nor do I have any desire to do so. However, I think 1 & 3 are essentially the same thing. My understanding from many theories I've read is that your subconscious is your link to your higher self. And your higher self knows why you are here at this time. Given that, unless you opted to a physical act to end your life, I don't think your higher self will intervene to help you with this. I also have never heard of a spirit taking over a body and essentially 'booting out' the individual born with it. So I don't think that will work either.

Perhaps, instead of looking at ways to leave permanently, you focus on experiencing an OBE and then, while out, ask for a spirit guide. When they come, you can ask them these questions. But I would expect their answers would be to turn the tables on you and ask why you want to do that. My experience with guides is that they know more than they tell, and that you tend to be on the 'need to know' side of the equation. Meaning they may not give you the answers you want, but they may help you identify your need to do so and work through that so that you can live the life you came here to do. I liken them to spiritual psychologosts in some aspects. 

These are just my thoughts, and I don't necessarily subscribe to some of the definitions, however they are common so I used them. However, I would urge you to look deeply at what you want to do and why.   

Welcome to the Pulse!

I THINK that the way it works is basically that when you sleep, your logic-ness also sleeps. I'm not quite sure why. Somehow, during those experiments, my logic side was kept more awake, so it didn't fall asleep so easily.

Excellent observation!! And you're quite right. This is called MA/BA -- Mind Awake/Body Asleep. You essentially want to get to the point, as you've concluded, where you are fully conscious, but your body is asleep. This 'frees your mind' so to speak. You are then able to to have an OBE. This is what you've described above, the feeling of leaving your body and walking through walls. And yes, you are right about fear. Actually fear and excitement are both the most common reasons people are abruptly pulled back. Any type of strong emotion will do that, but those two are the most common.

Different techniquest work for different people. I would suggest checking out the Astral FAQ  and Permanent Astral Topics sections of this forum. You can find a bunch of posts on definitions, theories and techniques in both of those sections.

Another technique you may want to try is phasing. Given your ability to reach certain states while awake, you may find that easier. It's the method I personally prefer, but everyone's different. In this approach, you don't feel any bodily seperation. It's purely a seperation/expansion/re-focus of consciousness. Below is a link to Frank's post on phasing in the Astral FAQ section. This is one of the best intro's to this approach:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_the_astral_faq/what_is_phasing_and_how_can_i_do_it-t17413.0.html

Also, I think your inability to reach this state without using the machines is simply a mental block. It's something that you can overcome, you just need to realize (and fully believe) that you could do it before the machines and you can certainly do it now, without them. And you can.

Let us know if you have any questions, we're happy to help!