Ok... Now I have to ask... Seems like the general consensus is that most experienced members do not have a cell phone.
Should I be looking to get rid of mine?
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Quote from: Nameless on September 30, 2018, 02:27:00
Doesn't look like too much interest. I would be but I'd need to know how to get into it. Haven't hear of this Line Chat but have been on others.
To me it's a lot like the old party lines people used to share on landline phones. Everyone could talk at once. I tried to people interested over at EIC but I reckon it's hard getting everyone on at the same time since we all have different schedules.
But a once a week group chat might be of interest to some.
And STOP talking to yourself SCHMUSTIN, you know that's a sign of insanity LOL!!
Quote from: Rob29 on September 07, 2016, 17:23:36
So I'm a little confused. Do you literally tap your index and middle fingers or just slightly move them? Also, do you just concentrate on doing that and nothing else?
UPDATE: I tried this last night and got to the point where I felt slight vibrations and also what looked like a purple flash in my mind. I guess I fell asleep then. That was the closest I have been in a long time.
Quote from: DancingBear on September 28, 2018, 19:07:39
The approaches might seem similar, but they're actually quite different. I don't intentionally meditate to experience OBE, in fact I drop whatever intentions I possibly can. The simplest way I can explain my view on mindfulness meditation (which is what the Buddha actually used to attain enlightenment), is to be a human being, not a human doing, as Scatman John so eloquently put it. Mindfulness is about existing in the present moment unconditionally.
The foundation of Buddhist teachings, and what I see as the foundation for meditation itself is The Three Poisons, which are said to be the root of suffering. They roughly translate as attachment/desire, aversion, and ignorance. If you're attached to or desiring a certain outcome, you are not content with what is, and will suffer for it, because desire is an insatiable master. When you respond to a situation with aversion, you're again not content with what is, and will suffer for it, for things will never be the exact way the ego wants them to be. And finally ignorance, or not knowing the truth of who we are and what is, causes delusion that leads to much suffering.
Meditation is really about tackling all 3 of these. If you try to go from point A to point B because you aren't ok with the way things are you will suffer, and are also moving away from your self which is a double Whammy. Both aversion and attachment are doing this. So what happens if we let go of trying to do so we can just be? Then we sit with ourselves, and with time and attention we come to realize that what we thought was "us" actually wasn't us at all.
When I said I usually start with my attention on my body, it's because if I'm going to peel away the layers of what isn't me, I've got to start somewhere. By sitting with myself, I for example realize my physical sensations aren't me, because who is it that's aware of these physical sensations? Then I see my thoughts, and I realize I also am not these thoughts, because who is it that is aware of these thoughts? And this rabbit hole continues, and after you stop associating with these false aspects of self, you also stop feeding them your attention, and with time they fade into the background.
For me, this is where I start becoming more aware of what is happening in the moment without attaching to specific background noise. And once I am not associating with and in turn giving attention to the sensations that normally make up my experience, I give room for more subtle aspects of self to come into my awareness. This is where I've gotten to in my meditations. And the more you meditate the more readily these delusions fall away.
So these more subtle aspects of self that you become aware of through dedicated practice, that's where I think I stumbled upon OBE's through meditation. It seems to be that with my body being tired from just waking up, then me starting to meditate while these Theta/Delta (And maybe even Gamma) waves were still affecting my state of awareness, I was then able to rapidly shed false aspects of self (in maybe 15 minutes or so). That's where I became aware of my energetic body? and at least some of my consciouness separated from the physical. This is my guess at what I experience, but I'm only human after all so take it with a grain of salt. =)
I fleshed this out with the hope that you'll more clearly understand what it is I did or "didnt" do, and what I meant by Vipassana. I do want to stress that it's surrendering to the moment, and casting aside your aspirations or resentments for everything just to be with yourself that would lead you down the path I described. When you start trying to do something, like AP, you've started going down the path of the ego. And maybe that is the path you need to experience AP. But in my experience, the truth of who you are comes not from running away from yourself, but from turning around and staring into the abyss.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: Nameless on September 28, 2018, 02:03:37
I personally like the idea of a chat room. Every one can 'talk' at once and a small group is easy to keep up with.
Quote from: DancingBear on September 28, 2018, 00:40:52
Not sure if it will help, but when I used meditation to AP I started meditating after waking up in the middle of the night. My body was still sleepy, but I kept myself focused consciously.
Personally I use my own blend of Vipassana (mindfulness) meditation. I tend to start with awareness of my body, but transition into a nonreactive state of just existing. Not really focused on anything in particular, but still aware of everything that is happening. That's the state that brings out the more subtle aspects of self for me, when I stop actively seeking sensations of the mind or body, and let them rise and fall like waves in the ocean.
Hope this helps.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 27, 2018, 06:26:36
Honestly, for myself and what I have read of others' experiences, the process at this point can slow down to what feels like you are only making an inch of progress with each session. It still is progress and it was extremely frustrating for me but I found there were still certain very subtle issues that needed attention. It's impossible for me to say what your issues may be, but it's safe to say there are a few ideas we can explore that seem pretty common.
Some subtle fear issues can still be there, but if you feel you're still making progress each time then that may indicate that you are slowly working through any fear and doubt issues which may linger. One process that I find can greatly help with this is to add in a daily/nightly affirmation.
"I ask for permission and give myself permission to have an out of body experience. I want to do this and know that I am safe and protected."
Say it with meaning every morning and evening for a week or two. This inner communication is subtle yet very powerful for many people.
Another aspect to consider is an honest appraisal of just how relaxed a state you are achieving. If you are really getting energy sensations then you are probably deep enough; but maybe you play around with the timing of your sessions and possibly find a still deeper state. This has always been an important issue and a difficulty for me: The timing of it and then determining the feel of just what particular energy sensations are actually moving me toward an OBE. It's like spinning the dial on a combination lock and sensitively feeling for the activation of the tumblers mechanism. In my case, I really need to be on the edge of sleep in order to relinquish control.
Finally, there is the consideration of just what exit technique is going to work for you and that becomes a truly personal search. Kinesthetic, visual or auditory. I tried visual walkthroughs- nothing. When energy movement sensations occurred, I had difficulty following them through to exit. When vibrations happened, I couldn't make that work. It wasn't until I had a rough night with indigestion and had to prop myself up in bed to find enough relief to drop off into sleep. That time, I was able to watch myself fall asleep and follow the hypnogogic progression of images until i found myself riding a bobsled down a snowy hill. This taught me the importance of adding rhythmic movement to a visual, thus the Rundown, such as Selski's excellent Trampoline Rundown. The visual took on a life of its own and I was literally dumped into a Wake Induced Lucid Dream. From there I phased back to my Physical and experienced a true Mind Awake Body Asleep State. Then I floated out in RTZ/Etheric fashion, then back in followed by a Phasing exit. It was a quite instructive experience.
So, my point is to choose an exit technique but stay open to whatever other sensations may occur, and be ready to adjust and follow them...be as open as possible.
Hope that gives some additional ideas.
Quote from: Lumaza on September 27, 2018, 08:18:45
I think this "Sticky" here will be very helpful to you. You are doing great! I think you need to read it again though, just to "rehash" what it says.
I still use that technique often, but I have kind of tweaked it to what you now find on the last pages of my "Doorway thread" found here:
The whole thread is good though. It has many different techniques that you can play with. Find something that feels "comfortable" and "natural" to you though.
Quote from: DancingBear on September 27, 2018, 12:25:10
Purely out of curiosity, why do people like to use these exit techniques instead of just letting it happen through deep relaxation/meditation? When I had my OBE by just surrendering to the moment, I just floated right out of my body with no effort. Afterwards when I tried to force new OBE experiences through my will, it felt like I was taking steps backwards. That method felt like I was hindering myself more than anything, by bringing me into a state of attachment/aversion that seemed counterproductive on multiple levels. I've decided to just continue expanding my awareness through meditation, which also happens to melt fears away by melting away aversion.
Maybe this is a slower path, but it feels like going with the flow of the river instead of fighting my way upstream.
Quote from: Light_being on April 23, 2017, 13:13:27
SCHMUSTIN, I haven't been doing much of it since I've been failing much. I spoke to my intuition and told me root cause of failure is fear, so I'm working on that for now. But I'm making progress on that, I decided to be quite for a while.
Unless you have tips on how to overcome it, share them
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on September 22, 2018, 08:50:37
Sorry about your loss friend. Lost my dad 8 years ago.
It hurts for awhile for very good reasons.
Comforting wishes to you and your family,
Quote from: Lumaza on September 23, 2018, 02:21:58
SCHUMUSTIN, my condolences to you and your Family as well!
She didn't have the ability to say what she wanted to say, but it sounds like those "goosebumps" spoke volumes!
When you are ready on all levels, you will receive the proper "closure" you wish for and deserve. Time heals all wounds.
Quote from: Nameless on September 21, 2018, 21:31:05
Hey hon, just popping back in to give you another warm hug. (((hug)))
Quote from: T-Man on September 21, 2018, 03:46:10
Very sorry to hear about your Mom. Speaking from experience it is always hard loosing a parent. All I can say is that with time things will get better. I like to think of it as being a new beginning for her journey. I think that as an AP'er you know without any doubt that you will see her again.
My condolences to you and your family.
Quote from: Nameless on September 21, 2018, 05:32:12
Schmustin, I am so sorry to hear of your mothers passing. I remember well when my own mom passed. You don't really get over it but you do accept it in time. She's had an amazing journey and now she is on to other amazing journeys. You know you will see her again.
But you? You are still here and you still have to finish this one. There's no hurry, you will find yourself soon enough.
Many hugs and lots of love.
Quote from: Lumaza on November 20, 2017, 16:34:33
Not necessarily diminishes. It just gets hard to keep your focus. This is why "click outs" occur. Sometimes you get in too deep and totally lose your "conscious" awareness on the scenario at hand. Other times we tend to click out too when the scenario creates a kind of "system overload" on us. Too much info, too intense, something creates a "shut down".
Yes, intended target of destination is a must. You are now in a realm where thought = action is instantaneous. So now, you have to also learn how to control that "thinking" there.
No, I still gets "fear tests". It really does help your awareness level though and yes, you have to trust. But that trust came through the notion that I have been experiencing this being touched thing, since I was a little boy. It used to terrify me and I immediately yanked the blankets over my head. But the more it happened, the more I realized that I always returned "unscathed" and by that understanding I developed "trust".
Quote from: Lumaza on November 15, 2017, 14:55:10
You have a great ability to "lock" onto your new surroundings.
I learned a few years ago how to think of my body like a giant piece of "Swiss cheese". That way, the sounds around me just flowed through me, while I could keep my focus where it needed to be. I didn't fight the sounds. I just allowed them to flow and kept my focus on whatever my intent for the session was.
The only interruptions I get now are direct interruptions, like someone knocking on the door needing to use the bathroom or someone calling my name to help them with something. Other than that, I can pin point my focus on whatever I need to at the time.
I am still aware, at some level, of the happenings around my physical body. But as my focus deepens, that physical focus disappears quite quickly and I find myself "elsewhere".
Once in awhile I will experience a fully conscious "dual" awareness throughout the entire process. That's a hard one to juggle for a lengthy period of time though.
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on November 15, 2017, 21:34:49
It sounds like you have reached a new level. Sadly, we don't often get flags waving or crowds cheering to celebrate the event...we just sort of have to realize it for ourselves. This one I remember and the emotional kick is very appreciated, because it usually comes after a long, discouraging drought of 'progress'...which you have now emerged from.
New experiences, new sensations, new circumstances of awareness...these are the signs to look for.
Lumaza gave you a good description of the necessary attitude going forward now -be like Swiss Cheese and let the new sensations, emotions and thoughts flow through you for awhile, just take it all in, without too much consideration for now of what it all means; you will sort it out later. You have entered a period of just experiencing. Have fun, be confused and enjoy. Go with the flow and trust your instinct.
Depending on your theories as to how the NPR actually functions, one or more things may have occurred to get you to the next level:
You are gradually increasing your consciousness within your Dreaming Body.
You have managed to activate a higher chakra.
You have maneuvered your Focus to a new chakra.
You have activated your awareness within your etheric or lower astral body.
In the Castaneda paradigm, you have shifted your 'point of attention'.
Those are several ideas; I happen to like to incorporate them all into my own personal theory; you can work out your own. Either way, it is all fun and wonderful and mystifying. Well done and keep on!
Quote from: EscapeVelocity on November 13, 2017, 21:26:24
Reply #11/November 10
That was a great experience; you did exactly what I suggested in an earlier post...you set your Intent, then you 'let go' and fell asleep. Then you became lucid within a dream. This, just in itself, was a significant accomplishment. Now the symbology of the 'large estate', the circular driveway, the fountain in the middle...you ignored the importance of that and began to walk away; so the dream introduced something to try to re-awaken you (to kick your awareness back up a notch)- the car drove by and you wondered at recognizing the driver...still not enough, you kept walking and so the car blew up! How good is it when they try to get your attention by blowing sh*t up?!!
That blew you back to the Physical, where you had a chance to reconsider how to get back to the NPR. You didn't manage it despite trying but that's okay; it's the experience and the effort that is important.
Working out the symbology here is a personal journey for you. Some expressions are somewhat universal, but again, you have to work out this very personal communication for yourself.
Great experience! Well done!
Quote from: Lumaza on November 13, 2017, 14:21:15
Just like the Beatle's song. "LET IT BE"! Then just passively observe it all. I actually like observing the Sleep Paralysis phenomenon. I can tell just when the "exit" is about to occur. First I get the "ultra awareness". Then I here the "Astral winds" gently blowing, next is the "inner buzz". The winds and body buzz comes in "waves" or "pulse" at first. Once the winds and buzz become a constant, it is normally a few minutes later that the actual "exit" will occur. It's just like clockwork now.
You control your fear by realizing and "believing"/knowing that nothing bad is happening. Your breathing cycle/rhythm slows naturally when you go to sleep. You are normally not aware of this and other things that your body naturally does in the sleep process. The process of "mind awake-body asleep" makes you aware of this though. You have "chosen" to be aware during this process. So, now you need to learn how to sit back and allow it to happen naturally. You will know when it's time to implement a actual "OBE" technique, such as climbing a rope, ladder, etc.
I don't use any of that now. I just await observe as the natural shift occurs and I don't get in it's way. Not every SP episode ends in a actual OBE for me. Sometimes, I hear the winds, get the body buzz, then nothing. Why, I have no idea. I guess the time wasn't right.
You can also get the same "signposts" at the "end" of a OBE as well. As you are returning to the body. That could explain why sometimes you have all the symptoms, but then everything just stops then and there.
Quote from: T-Man on November 12, 2017, 18:05:18
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