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#26
Whenever I project involuntarily I do get sexual impulses from time to time. If I pursue them my experience turns into a erotic lucid dream rather quickly, and I eventually lose awareness and either wake up or carry on dreaming. I don't think this is something to be ashamed of, and personally I don't see how that could cause you any harm. Specially if you harbor no intent of harm yourself.

Interestingly enough, I've never felt the need to pursue such interests while projecting, even if I've wanted to while being awake. As soon as I'm out of body, I don't feel that is important any more.

What I've experienced is some kind of romantic feeling, and exchanged what I can only name as "true love" (as much as that sounds like a cliché) with other people, or entities, in NPR. Nothing sexual, but rather a comforting, reassuring and deeply fulfilling experience. I don't know what to make of it, and while I have my theories, I don't think they are very much on-topic.

In short, as Astralzombie said, your goals simply change. I disagree about that last part of what Astralzombie said though. In my honest opinion, and through my limited experience, I think that sex, in itself, is nothing but a way of expressing and sharing love, and only if you see it as something evil it will bring about evil. Same with all fears and taboos you bring into the astral.

EDIT: What I'm trying to say there is that sex and morals are separate, and they can combine in many ways, in real life as well as in the non-physical.
#27
I have experienced exactly the same thing you describe a couple of times. As soon as I gained lucidity, everyone stopped moving. Sometimes they stared at me, as if they expected to be told what to do. Environments lose all interest to them and become just like movie sets. I never felt the dread in this context though.

I always attributed this to the fact that the dream had become almost fully consciously controlled, and since I had to "make everything happen" consciously and I couldn't keep track of such a vivid thing a dream is, it just became too self-conscious. Like trying to dance while thinking how to dance and not letting go. :)

I've recently considered that this belief is what actually causes that. I think conscious control is difficult and limiting, therefore the dream becomes limited and awkward. The thing is, the subconscious may be in control behind the scenes all along. I don't know, it's just a theory.

It's been a while since this has happened to me and I never got the chance to try to solve the problem more than a couple of times, so I really don't know what to tell you.

When this happens run for the nearest door and open it, then the next, and the next, and so on. Just keep rushing through doors until something unexpected happens. Kiss someone.
#28
Yeah, I thought about it. It's so sudden though, that it catches me completely by suprise :D
Thank you guys for all the comments. Will keep on trying!
#29
Thanks for you answer! I had already read it. It's a very well thought-out article and certainly very interesting. You may be right that I might be reacting too soon. The problem is, I don't know how to deal with this particular problem. The falling sensation, for instance. I think I remember Xanth talking about it either in one of his writings or somewhere else, so I know it's not something only I'm experiencing. But I don't know how to ignore something like that. It's a pretty strong reflex at a physical level.

Maybe these are what you call "mini dreams" in that text? I have had natural or SP-induced OBEs before, but this is completely new territory for me. I'd like to be able to control how and when I'm going to go out to a certain degree.

I will try to ignore this bursting phasing episodes and see if there's something a bit more solid down the road.
#30
Xanth explained to me the basics of phasing a couple years ago on IRC. I eventually read his PDF book and I thought I had understood the concepts. However, as I have come to expect, once you experience it by yourself, you realize the actual thing is much more complex and difficult to describe. In spite of Xanth's great advice, I still find myself lost in some aspects.

I have found that the method that best works for me is to just let all the hypnagogic stuff converge until I have completely phased away from my physical sensory inputs. At that point I find myself somewhere else. Sometimes I lack color vision, and most commonly sense of touch and smell. I usually have good sight and hearing, which is how my non-lucid dreams usually are. This, however, is a very delicate state. I'm completely unaware of my body and my physical surroundings, but as soon as the scene gets to a certain level of complexity I unvoluntarily try to focus on it, my physical eyes move and I lose it. I sometimes get a sudden falling sensation which is also very difficult to ignore (my body reflexes just react to it), and completely impossible to predict whether it's going to happen or not.

I have no trouble at all keeping the "noticing" mental state for almost an hour when I meditate, but when I "phase" like this, by "going to sleep" without going to sleep, I just can't control it past a certain point. The scene gets engaging to a point I just react, and I feel it's not even me reacting, but my dream self (which I understand as a sign that I'm doing well with respect to "letting stuff just happen"). Often I'm just like "Whoa! What did just happen? I didn't do anything! Why did I get kicked out?!". I find it difficult to describe, but I hope someone with experience on this will recognize what I'm talking about.

Am I doing something right? What am I doing wrong? The falling sensation and the "shifting" sensation on my eyes are the key to what I'm trying to describe.

Thank you for your thoughts guys!
#31
Quote from: HindSight on September 18, 2013, 20:26:14
Now that I think of it, on of the times I projected, I looked back at I couldn't see my body. Does that mean it a dream?

Don't dwell on that. The nonphysical does not have to look like the physical, and your thoughts and preconceptions/interpretations carry a lot of weight. It's common to second-guess your experiences because they tend to be remembered as dreams at first.

A dream is a projection anyway. The only difference is the level of self-awareness one has (and thus the ability to interpretate what's happening around}.
#32
Quote from: Szaxx on September 17, 2013, 06:24:36
On a serious note,
Has anyone else been asked what would they like to know while non-physical? This usually occurs in the 3D black void.
As many who have asked previously say, " be careful in what you ask for".
The results stay with you for your lifetime here.

I was asked this in the 3D void once, but I wasn't paying much attention. I think I didn't even answer. Can you elaborate on your experiences regarding this please? It sounds really interesting!

Quote from: CFTraveler on September 17, 2013, 21:45:42
When I received it it surprised me into waking up.
I was having one of these 'dreams/projections' in place (that is, I'm lying on my bed and the scene is playing out around me) and suddenly, someone came into the room from the wall and my physical hand was out with my palm up.  He then puts this thing in my hand, which feels sort of like silly putty- solid yet pliable.  I then am surprised (because I was paying attention to the dream/action and he just surprised me-) and flinched a little.  Then I woke up, the scene dissolved around me like a tv raster and I was lying there with the feeling of the stuff in my hand.  I then looked at my hand and of course, there was nothing there, but I could still feel it.  So I got up to look at my hand in more light, and didn't feel it anymore by the time I was out of the room.

I was given it by a skeleton, which sounds silly but is actually symbolic to me for reasons too long to explain on a tablet. I wish I had payed more attention though...
#33
Quote from: Xanth on September 14, 2013, 22:29:42
I take the position that *EVERYTHING* is consciousness.
Therefore, there is no body... physical, etheric, astral, whatever... I view them as simply not something that objectively exists separate from anything else: because all is one.

So when you wake up in the middle of the night, what you're seeing is simply a different perspective.  You're tuned into seeing reality in a slightly different way. 
I've lived with what you're describing for my entire life.  Waking up and seeing people standing around me... creatures of all kinds... even things I can't even begin to describe all happening in my bedroom.  I've learned to live with it.

To directly answer your question... I don't believe for a second that what most humans call a "dream" exists.  Dreams simply aren't what people think they are.  They're real experiences in consciousness.  Anything you can directly experience is real.  So is what you and I experience a dream?  Most people would call it that, yes.  I say it's not a dream because dreams don't exist... it's an experience of the non-physical.  It's an experience of a slightly different perspective of consciousness than your usual everyday waking life... which isn't really anything but a projection either.  A projection of your consciousness in this, what we call, physical reality.

Mind blown yet?

This. For obvious reasons made me think of The Matrix, which made me think of The Invisibles, which is kinda awesome, bonkers and totally related.
#34
Wet and slippery' but also kind of sticky...
#35
I had these kind of experiences when I was a kid. In my case, I also had a lot of trouble focusing my vision, not to mention moving around. I also kept  moving out and snapping back to my paralyzed body. I didn't know anything about AP at the time, so I just assumed those were weird dreams :lol:
#36
Quote from: CFTraveler on September 11, 2013, 19:18:54
I never thought about what I've been given in projection.  I've been given pink blobs, and been taught to attract things to me (like, 'accio').  I've also been taught to create objects.  That's about it.


I was given a blob too! What's that all about?
#37
Something like this happened to me once when I was a kid. See here (also the thread may be interesting to you): http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/hypnogogic_vs_hypnopompic-t32038.0.html;msg262900#msg262900.

I honestly don't know what to make of it.
#38
Vibrations have always felt very energetic to me, like feeling my body floating in a fast-forward version of ocean waves. It's a very enjoyable thing.
They've never led to projection for me. I think I focus too much on them (really enjoyable) and keep focusing on them until they fade away.
#39
Haha! Thanks!
I came here wanting to share my experience and ended up writing a dissertation on... a lot of mixed stuff. :roll:
#40
A lot of the time I come lurk about and for some reason I freak myself out, even if I don't read about "demons", "ghosts" and all that. I go to sleep feeling really uneasy.
The thing is, the only time I've been scared is while awake. Never in more than 15 years of playing with OBEs have I felt uneasy while out of my body. For some reason I simply "know" I'm perfectly safe. Of course you will experience things that will jolt you awake from time to time, but in my experience nothing will be as bad as you can imagine while being awake.

As an example, I've sometimes seen pretty grotesque things and situations (I won't go into details) while out of body, and felt perfectly normal. I knew it was "scary stuff", but it just didn't affect me. It wasn't until I woke up that I started thinking about how freaked out I should have been.

Whatever happens, you are untouchable. Don't forget that.
#41
I was once given a sticky blob from someone. It was colorless and felt kinda jelly. They didn't say a word though, and I don't know what it was. I politely pawed it in my hand for a while and moved on :|
#42
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Exiting
September 11, 2013, 11:47:18
That is a very interesting experience darksidessj25! I get that about sex a lot, but I have yet to have any meaningful interaction with someone while projecting...
#43
The only time I tried to see my non-physical hands directly (looking in a mirror doesn't count, those are crafty bastards), they where like luminescent jellyfish, and they felt weightless, as in I couldn't feel their weight at all in my "muscles". This was just a lucid dream, not a full blown astral projection.

In any case, you don't really have hands when out of your body. I think it's all a matter of perspective and how you focus your consciousness.
It seems you are having fun with this, and that is all that matters in the end. Even the smallest new experiences feel amazing, and they are. Congrats!
#44
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / RTZ interference
September 11, 2013, 11:31:39
Today I had an OBE during my lunch break. For the sake of illustration I will briefly explain how it came about. I decided to lay down for a little bit at the office during my lunch break hour and after a little while I fell half-asleep and had a false awakening (I guess I was anxious about oversleeping), and when I realized that it had happened, almost waking up for real, I mentally told myself: "next time I wake up, I'm going to walk through the closed door" in preparation for the next false awakening, sure it that it could come.

And so I "woke up" again, and with the realization that I was not awake, but lucid, I snapped back to my paralyzed body. A side note here: I know my body was paralyzed because I've had this experience before, but I also know that if I had tested whether it was or not, I would have instantly become "trapped" trying to move my body and would have ruined the experience. A humble tip to those who still struggle with this (like we all do from time to time), is to notice how that state feels besides the fact that your body is paralyzed and learn to recognize it without testing whether you can move. As soon as you start ignoring the fact that your physical body is paralyzed, you might start to unconsciously focus on your non-physical body instead and this state will become nothing else than another milestone you may or may not notice in your way out of your body.

In any case, as soon as I passed the "paralysis" phase, I was able to move out of my body. I rolled to the floor, tentatively dragged myself out of the couch, fearing I would twitch my physical body and wake up, but in the end I simply stood up, always in total darkness. For some reason I get this a lot, and the only thing I can do about it is get away from my physical body to gain "sight". If I try to "open my eyes", I open my physical ones instead...

Realtime Zone interference
As this OBE was not planned in the best conditions, I was laying on my side the whole time, and the weight of my own body on that side was actually noticeable out of body from time to time. There was also a lot of light in the room and I sometimes got interference from my eyes (also some sounds from time to time).

In my experience, this kind of interference helps me attain the right state in order to OBE. If I'm in total darkness and silence, laying perfectly still in my bed, I might get perfectly clear experiences, but those are rare, as I frequently fall in a deep sleep instead. On the other hand, once the experience has started, the interference is obviously detrimental as sensory data gets mixed in.

What are your experiences in this regard and how can I use this to my advantage? Or should I just focus on refining my ability to achieve OBEs in proper environmental conditions?

I once read it's good practice to have clear goals before trying to go out of body. It is true that in this particular experience, once I got out and away from my body, I found myself in the street constantly distracted by what was going on around me. I visited a couple of nearby locations just because something or someone picked my interest. I felt myself losing focus and conjuring dreamscapes a couple of times and had to refocus. All in all the only "productive" thing I did while OBEing was making a mental note to come here and ask about this while wandering the streets.

Part of the problem was again the interference. Specially sound from the physical "spawned" mental images that kept intruding my non-physical environment (through the process of making me think about what they were, and thus subsequently making them "real"). This had the effect of me being unable to get out of the RTZ without risking transitioning into a dream.

A note on sharing experiences and learning
While writing this and re-reading passages, I noticed how different it all sounds in comparison with the real experience. This is specially true in regards to the first bit about paralysis, which I intend to give as an example case for anyone who might be trying to get their first OBE. It might be possible that my experiences start in a somewhat chaotic way, they sure do feel that way, but trying to explain an experience as detached to the physical and even mental world of our everyday life as this one is much harder than it seems. I guess language is not really suited for this. Or I haven't found the way to explain myself. In any case, I'm sure the only people to whom I can get my point across is those who have similar experiences, rather than the people for whom I'm speaking.

What I'm trying to say is that all this feels and "is" incredibly simple, but trying to explain it to someone that has not experienced it or may have experienced it in a different way is the real challenge. And in the same way, trying to understand what all this babble really means is really difficult. At least it was for me when I started reading about OBEs, projections and all that.

Random bit out of nowhere...
I've recently started practicing martial arts again. One of the side-effects of learning to make my body and my mind work together is that I find it much easier to control my thoughts and actions while out of body. I guess any kind of sport or exercise that requires mind-body coordination would be equally beneficial.
#45
I had my first involuntary OBEs when I was around 10, and 14 years later all I've managed are sloppy, cut-short or involuntary experiences. Getting there though ;) Mostly this is because we don't expend 100% of our time 'training'. You will feel the need to stand back every once in a while. Too much eagerness and little results do that, but don't hesitate to dive right into it after taking 'holidays'.

You will feel that it's vibrations and that's it, there's AP beyond that door. Well, it's not. You will be discouraged a thousand times and each time you will find something amazing that will compel you forward.

This is a life-long journey. AstralBlogger is absolutely right. I'm sure the astral is fascinating (having my glimpses there), but I had never thought just trying would be this much fun. Take it easy, don't focus your life around it, just consider it a complementary part that will accompany you forever.

EDIT: I recommend Xanth's blog, and this post in particular can be of your interest: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2011/05/07/my-missteps-over-the-last-ten-years/
#46
I think Bellend referred to Kepple's concept. I guess it depends on what literature gets to you first, but I think it's totally pointless to use it for everything.

@Simo: That book reading thing is absolutely brilliant! I have to try that.
#47
Yeah, through lucid dreams you approach the subject from a "not so weird" point of view, since it's something most people have experienced or have no problem accepting. You always have to be probing the person's suspension of disbelief though.
#48
Once I was falling asleep and hypnogogic images started to form in my mind. Among all the usual chaos I started to see more and more clearly my own face in the distance. It had its eyes closed, so I tried to open them. The face's eyes opened and stared in my direction with a faint glow.

I got pretty scared, but I could feel as if I could see through my eyelids. Nothing I hadn't experienced before here, but this time I had direct feedback while I opened and closed those "virtual eyes". I sort of know how to do it at will while I'm falling asleep now and conjure settings of image and sound around me. Of course it doesn't always work, bur it has improved a lot.

In short: experiment with hypnogogic images and/or sounds and learn how your mind does to summon them.
#49
It took me about 5 years to achieve a full-blown OBE. I'm a sceptic and I still double guess myself constantly, but I have come to realise it's not really that important to get hard proof here. As Xanth said, you are the only one you have to prove anything to. If I ever get to prove anything, that will be good, but in the meantime I'm having fun.

So relax and enjoy yourself if you want. Don't if you don't.
#50
Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: pitty for you
April 23, 2011, 21:22:00
What's with the strange line breaks? Some sort of cypher?