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Shouldn't we be fighting (well, killing) the people who want everyone to be positive toward bad things?

He might not actually know about the oncoming attacks. If he doesn't, then torturing him will just cause him to say something fake to make you stop. If he does, in fact, know about the attacks, then torturing him might drive him to give you fake leads. The number of people likely to give you genuine information because of torture is very small, and you're bound to get so much disinformation that it's probably not worth it. I think the people who use torture are doing it out of irrational emotion and an animalistic urge to feel superior.

For a long time I also debated the idea of torture as a fear technique, telling the enemy 'this is what will happen to you if we catch you', but ultimately that seemed counter-productive. A lot of the people who work for criminal groups don't even want to work for the criminals, or are willing to change if their safety is guaranteed, so, if I were in charge of an organization that deals with criminals, I would offer POWs a job with us (although they would have to be brain-chipped and supervised at all times) and those who won't comply are executed in a swift manner.

Right. I'm just pointing out that the people promoting themselves as governments right now are not governments. This isn't quite the same as saying governments are criminals or that they aren't a governing force.

I found that site about Heshe in a web search a while ago. I never kept a link of it anywhere.

Now, my question relating to my OP: if you believe in He-She's existence, and that He-She is legit, then what was He-She trying to organise? What type of society? No government? Okay, what type of society? There are many forms of anarchism; which one? This isn't just a "do whatever" society that He-She is - along with others, do doubt - planning. It seems to be structural in some way.

I might give a bit of info here, even though none of us seem to know what Heshe is up to.
Our governments are not actually... governments. This is one of the biggest media/marketing tricks, and even the rebels are fooled by it. What we consider to be the governments are really just a set of loosely connected criminal hierarchies who don't actually conduct any leadership (aside from telling soldiers who to kill) and have no intention of keeping any kind of order. They are the sole source of disorder.

Essentially, we've been in a state of anarchy for thousands of years, and those guys in the suits on TV are the anarchists.

I think Heshe would be aware of this, and that's what he's talking about with his vision of social order. People don't need the so-called governments watching them any more than a mouse needs a snake watching it. But even though Heshe knows some things, that of course doesn't mean he's one of the good guys. In fact he admits that he's a trickster. Imagine if you had lots of esoteric information, and an urge to trick people into doing stupid things for your enjoyment. Bad stuff would happen. It's even worse if the trickster has a lot of information that people would want.

Wow, I didn't know people thought He-she was behind open source... who says this? And, who do they think it is? It's definitely not Eric Raymond...

I saw a website that theorizes which movements Heshe is behind. I didn't get any cross-references so it's hard to say how reliable the theories are. I'm certainly in favor of the open source movement though.

To doubt He-she, means that you'd have to bring into question Monroe's INSPEC (which is himself), as it was the INSPEC that located He-She (the most "advanced being on the planet"). I wish Monroe went into more detail.

It certainly would be nice to have more details. Monroe only asked a few questions and seemed satisfied with such short answers. I would have had a big list ready.
Heshe is said to be an organizer and his age is a good credential, but we don't know whether he can solve culture-wide problems, let alone planetary ones. Maybe he can, but, we just don't know that from here.

I wonder, sometimes, if Monroe is hiding some things, or a lot of things. His conversations in the astral seem too simple and short. I personally go into telepathic trances sometimes, and communicate with beings and databases from the outside. In about 10 seconds I can get a rush of information that takes several pages for me to explain later in text, and I get sounds and images and everything. Monroe speaks with these entities and only comes back with a short word-for-word conversation. It just seems 'off' to me.

The problem is, atheist and new age cultures are equally idiotic (and both controlled by the same hierarchies anyway), so you won't get many answers from either of them. New agers blatantly oppose science, and atheists secretly oppose science while pretending their wacko beliefs have any scientific basis at all.

If you want to get answers then stop categorizing things as 'metaphysical'. It's a stupidly broad category, made on the assumption that anything that defies someone's understanding must also defy the universe.  If something strange happens then it should be studied and understood.

It's actually a free PDF you can get with some searching

Do you think He-She was talking about a world government, or a global community? Are you saying we shouldn't take He-She's word for it? Is He-she suspect? Political philosophers have thought out perhaps nearly every system available (just Google the amount of theorised political concepts - there are just so many that have never been implemented), and it seems rather confusing as to what it could be.

Also, Robert Monroe saw the Earth in the year 3000 and there weren't any buildings - just nature, but it was that way on purpose. But, I'm more interested in knowing about everything the next two hundred years. Have you seen the world in 50 years time from now? What would the situation be with the world's oil supply? I think that if he-she is right, then a major change would happen in the next 50 years.

Interesting. Sounds like Monroe saw the future similar to me. I don't know how for into the future I was, but I'm sure it was at least a few centuries. An organization had setup their base in that time period because it was convenient, I guess because the world isn't in chaos in the future.

While some people can see the future, it's a little complicated because the future can be changed, and so the future Monroe saw may be different when humanity in general reaches it. The science behind this is a little wonky but, in short, all time periods are organized into local fields, which most of us fall through in a linear fashion. Some people have methods to artificially tunnel through these fields and go to different times much like going to different places. Thus we have a 'current' future which is subject to change, but we may hit a slightly different future when it happens, and that's why people often have premonitions of events that turn out slightly different from what they foresaw.

So, nobody is certain what the future will be like when humanity hits it.

Heshe seems a little suspicious, but I can't say he's wrong, given such little information. Some people say he's behind the open source software movement and other similar things. Decentralization, which I like. But expecting everyone to unite over something means trouble.

Our current social systems - theoretical and applied - have one fatal flaw: They expect everyone to follow an "all for one, one for all" philosophy, which is just nutty when you have a conflicted society like this. When everyone is expected to work for everyone else, that means they have to work for people they hate, and toward agendas they hate. Once again you're telling two enemies to work together, which is an offense against both sides. It doesn't work.

Evidently, our current future has a much smaller human population. There are several groups that want to kill masses of people, not to restore order but to make way for an even worse, more degenerate society. Plus they just like killing people. They seem to be getting their way in the near-future. Howard Storm talked to them in his account and they said they would be committing their massacre within 75 years (this was around 1985 when they said this)

Heshe's explanation is really vague and even conflicted. He talks about decentralization and at the same time expects people to unify.

That's not at all how I would handle things. Expecting enemies to unite is an offense against both sides, and it's mostly what criminals do when they want to exploit a culture ("come unify under our criminal agenda"). I think the ideal plan would be for people to split up into cause-driven organizations, and fix (or fight out) their conflicts from there.

I actually did go to the future once when I followed someone through a warp. The place I saw was mostly trees everywhere and some dirt roads, but no indication of the social state. Thing is, the future is different from place to place. For instance the future of Brazil will probably be different from the future of Egypt, and some places have remained the same for thousands of years while others changed drastically. The same could be said for the future of humanity, thus my idea of splitting into organizations with no central rule.

I did find out one thing while I was in the future: Several organizations can traverse the time fields and carry out tasks in different time periods. Heshe may have been aware of this. And modern humanity has never had any central order - just several criminal groups fighting for control like wolves fighting over a corpse. Different groups seem to gain dominance over different time periods and places.

The trick is, most artists aren't visualizing the whole thing when they come up with a picture. They just come up with a general concept and form and some colors, not much different from an average imagination.

When they start drawing it, that's when they're making up most of the picture - with the aid of the drawing board.

Xanth should try that when an armed robber breaks in.

People not remembering something correct? 

Doesn't sound very strange to me at all.

Me neither, but, we were talking about something completely unrelated to whatever is going on in your mind right now.

These threads always remind me of the Stanford Prison Experiment where a guy was about to be set free, but all the prisoners were chanting that he was a terrible person for leaving. Under the peer pressure, he almost stayed, refusing to believe the other prisoners were just terrible people and he didn't have to be one of them.

It's a tough situation, and contrary to what degenerates will say, it's not natural.

This problem is rooted pretty deep in our history. There were plenty of people and cultures in the past that only ate plants or didn't even have to eat at all. Humans have biological systems (which have mostly been cut down over the years) that allow them to live by converting radiation to substance instead of eating. It's similar to the way plants live but apparently more efficient.

But certain branches of the human gene pool started to degenerate, and nobody euthanized them, so they evolved further and further into insanity and became worse and worse predators. They turned their predatory behavior against the functioning people and cultures, and started to interbreed with them by force, resulting in the degenerate humanity we have today and the even worse, degenerate rulers who inbreed to keep their insanity going.

Suicide is natural when things get to this point. The degenerates want to die too but their malfunctioning systems prevent them from doing it. You can see why this would lead to so much insanity. Unfortunately we're becoming degenerates along with them and nobody wants that.

I agree with you zareste about what you said on the internet.  You said you have not ap for 15 years.  That would turn most people off ap and they would understandably think that they cannot ap.  The main requirement to ap is you must believe you can ap.  If you think you cannot ap, it makes it very difficult to ap.

my guess is you're arguing against something I didn't say.
While it's flattering to think astral projection is a skill you acquired, it's a matter of biology. Delusion is not a step toward acquiring something. Simple stuff here.

Some of us have been trying for longer. I think I currently hold the record with 15 years of no luck in astral projection. I can actually explain astral projection in scientific terms but don't have the biological makeup needed to do it naturally.

The methods you commonly find on the internet are nothing but self-deception methods. If they work for a person, then anything will work for that person. That particular person could have projected with no method at all.

Certain ancient cultures and monks had solid, scientifically sound methods that actually worked.

I've seen indications of this. Well, not aliens, but I've noticed that the ringing in my ears became intelligible sounds when I went into a trance.

A friend of mine was on a craft with a Grey guy. I think he was projecting. The Grey guy showed him what the craft could do - it had a holographic map of the galaxy, and he could select any star system and go to it, as well as any time period within that star system. I didn't think anyone in the Milky Way had space and time under such casual control.

But I've seen nothing myself.
Most underground facilities have distorters and materials that keep spirits out, and if you still get in, some can capture you. So I wouldn't go snooping around without precautions.

Your friend thinks bad things are bad, which is a good thing. I think you're viewing New Agers as spiritually evolved because they think pain and death and stuff like that are good things, which doesn't make them any more spiritually evolved than a serial killer.

They've had a base on Mars for a while now. I guess the rover landing was a nifty achievement but all for show

Did the symbol look like this? http://www.padnd.com/vastonia.com/images/Pentagram1.jpg
I always wondered about those triangle/circle symbols. In hermetics, the triangle stands for physical form while the circle stands for ether (which can relate to the spirit). And from what I gather, a circle within a triangle indicates spirit contained by physical form, whereas a triangle within a circle is spirit outside of physical form.

I guess it makes sense. I can't naturally leave my body, but I can go into trance states, and often see a symbol of a circle within a triangle. it might have a meaning I'm not aware of, though.

Anyway, yeah, it's best not to go with someone if they don't say where they're going. General rule applies. To their credit, they didn't seem to become hostile. If it happens again, it might mean they have a base underground in your area. Just ask the same question, and if they don't answer, go back to sleep.

Since the thread is popping up again, I ought to rant a little.
Spirit Science looked promising when I first saw it in its early days. It had an objective standpoint and talked about my favorite subjects in a non-religious manner.

Later they made a forum, so I went there and then started to smell something rotten. A lot of the posts had the 'love and light' cult theme, and that could have been blamed on the users, but then we started posting about the Anunnaki. Those of us who know anything about the Anunnaki were talking about the crimes they committed and their methods of violent and cultural takeover. Stuff that's easy to verify. But someone jumped in and said something like "if we believe the Anunnaki are a source of salvation, then they will be." I shouldn't have to explain why this is logically and ethically bad, but did anyway, and the person accused me of violence (for... disliking criminals) and this went on for a while. Then the mods deleted all of my posts on the subject, including the one complaining about all my posts getting deleted. I think some other people had their posts deleted, but not the 'Anunnaki bring salvation' ones. The thread was purified Nazi-style.

Later, I started to notice their guerrilla marketing campaign on various forums, and heard that their videos are sounding less scientific and more like cult propaganda. And here we are.

[explanations]

This is becoming somewhat of a buzz on a few sites. People are recalling historical events differently from other people - and not just small details. The most famous one is, a lot of people say Nelson Mandela died in a prison. They can recall the newscasts and people's reactions and everything. But here we are in a world where Nelson Mandela is alive.

Here's a quick list of the alternate memories people have:
- Nelson Mandela died in a prison
- The guy at Tienanmen Square actually got run over by the tank (seen on video)
- Jane Goodall was killed by a poacher in the 80's
- Mickey Rooney died, eulogy was given by other actors and everything
- The U.S. has 52 states (was taught in schools)
- Billy Graham is dead
- geology differences, such as China being above Russia, and New Zealand being northeast of Australia

Anyone here recall any of these events this way?

explanations
There's a few possible explanations. I'm going with one that I'll call 'tuning drift'.  Long story short: There are different fields where different realities take place, and instinctively we tune into them. (the longer story takes pages to explain) Over time it's very possible for a person's tuning to drift, and they end up in new areas of reality, where people mostly look and act the same but a few things are off.

clues of entrapment
I'm going to get a little more speculative below. Pardon if I go off the deep end but I consider this a good possibility.
Something we've noticed is, a lot of disinfo agents (people hired to spread lies for criminal groups) are popping up and discouraging investigation into the phenomenon. Some came up with elaborate stories to explain these alternate histories, but their stories can be debunked with a web search. One agent said there were two guys at Tienanmen Square who stood in front of tanks, and one got run over (thus some people saw another video) but after researching it, you'll find no information about a second guy who got run over. That's a pretty thoughtful story to come up with just to debunk a phenomenon like this, isn't it?

If someone is discouraging investigation, that usually means there's a crime being committed. So, one has to wonder why criminals would want to hide a phenomena like memories of an alternate history. Why can't they just let this little thing go?

We know how criminal groups have been poisoning the food and water supply, mostly with conductive metals and materials that disrupt the pineal and other areas of your brain. Your pineal is import to controlling your field of interaction, and conductive metals further disrupt your field (I believe they absorb waves as they do in machinery, lowering the energy of your field or narrowing its bandwidth). Additionally they've been imprisoning people who can tune into other areas of reality (calling them 'schizophrenic' and locking them away), killing off family lines of people who are naturally skilled at shifting and interacting with data fields (the 'witch trials' and ongoing atrocities that phase them out of the gene pool), and taking violent action against people who use or sell psychedelic drugs (or even mildly mind-enhancing drugs). So today we have people who can't naturally astral project and some who don't even have dreams.

I'm thinking, criminals have gradually trapped people in a narrow bandwidth of reality. We're free to walk in all directions (most of us) but we are nonetheless trapped in a very small space. That's what it seems like

At night you're changing your body's tuning and going to other places, which is similar to an AP but not as well-controlled. Some people don't even have dreams. Again certain systems have to be active and coherent for this to work, and you don't make these systems active by wishing.

I wish I could convince you that anyone can ap.  There are many times that I could not ap.

I think you're arguing against something I didn't say.

Zareste do you have a good imagination?
can you imagine yourself out of body?

theoretically yeah