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World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Jesus turned water into wine... so who drank it?
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on: June 12, 2011, 05:03:45
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Posted by: Summerlander Insert Quote Couldn't what we posted be regarded as positive in that it opens up people's minds to other possibilities in regards to Jesus?
Sure it can. These forums are about sharing different ideas. But it's the manner in which they're shared that is also important. Let's face it -- none of us knows it all. A little humility is needed sometimes. We may believe something strongly, but that doesn't mean we're always right. Forums are only helpful to honest seekers when they feel respected and taken seriously. If we feel a need to continuously put down others' beliefs, it's probably time to move to another topic -- and also to ask ourselves: Why do I have this need to diss someone and slam their belief? What does that say about me?
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World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Jesus turned water into wine... so who drank it?
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on: June 11, 2011, 03:54:05
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Look guys, we get it. You don't believe in Jesus. That's fine, but why can't you find another topic in which you can post something positive about what you do believe in, rather than beat down people who sincerely ask questions relevant to where they are in their spiritual journeys?
Posted by: astralp Insert Quote Well first you have to understand that Jesus never existed. Jesus is a metaphor for the sun. The SUN of GOD. NO one owns the sun, hence the reason they call it Gods Sun or the SUN of GOD.
Now when you look at it from that perspective, yes Jesus, the sun, did turn water into wine. It is a very old teaching, one that has been edited and translated wrong for the past 2000 years.
The sun, evaporates water. The water then rains on the grape vines. The grapes then ferment into wine. So, you have Jesus the SUN, turning water into wine.
That is also where you get the word devine from. Why is god devine? It comes from the vine.
and yes, dionysus=jesus. The story of Jesus is a compilation of all the God men who were metaphors for the SUN. Dionysus being only one of them.
That is also why Jesus has 12 disciples. 12 disciples = 12 signs of the zodiac.
Posted by: Summerlander Insert Quote Yep, Jesus didn't exist.
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World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Jesus turned water into wine... so who drank it?
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on: June 03, 2011, 03:03:20
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PottyParrot, If you just take the story at face value, yes, it was real wine and top shelf at that! Jewish weddings at that time were full of wine and celebration. When the groom ran out of wine it would have been a great embarrassment and social mistake. That's why Mary gets on her son's case to do something about it. After the water is transformed, the master of the banquet is impressed because most folks put out the best wine first, then when everyone was drunk, they'd substitute the MD 20 20 -- the cheap stuff. But thanks to Jesus this guy has saved the best for last. In John's gospel, this is the first of seven "signs" Jesus performs. There are only 7 signs or miracles mentioned in the whole Gospel. Unlike the other gospel writers, John is a mystic. In Hebrew numerology, 7 is a Hebrew number for perfection or completion, such as the 7 days of creation in Genesis 1. John uses 7 signs which lead to 7 teaching sections and 7 I AM sayings (I am the Bread of life, etc.). After the resurrection of Jesus, 7 disciples see him on the shore while they are fishing. John's Gospel is intended to be metaphorical unlike Matthew, Mark and Luke. BTW, the more wine you drink the more interesting the metaphorical interpretations get! 
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Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Movie - "Enter the Void"
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on: February 01, 2011, 08:28:21
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I had pre-ordered it from Amazon and got it a couple of weeks ago. I had the same reaction Stookie. It's an interesting perspective on life after death from one who has died. It was long, almost too long, but it kept me riveted and i can't get it out of my head. Two of my granddaughters watched it later (ages 15, 19) and they just thought it was weird. For me it had some familiar echoes.
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The Astral Library / Welcome to Book Reviews! / Re: The best book.
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on: January 29, 2011, 21:35:43
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Both books by William Buhlman helped me: Adventures Beyond the Body and The Secret of the Soul. I did a workshop with him awhile back and found him very straightforward and intolerant of BS. He also spent extra time beyond the workshop to help those of us who had questions and help with technique. It's rare to get to know an author and where he or she is coming from, but being around him for 4 days gave his writing more credibility for me.
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Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Melatonin
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on: January 24, 2011, 03:28:19
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Hello Nomesb69,
I've done a lot of experimenting over the past 30 years with projecting and using substances. Generally I've gotten nothing but headaches or drowsiness from melatonin, didn't really help me that much with projecting. I know that others find it helpful, but that's just me. Ambien always knocks me out completely, but that's what it's supposed to do. That doesn't mean I didn't get up, cook dinner, talk on the phone -- I just didn't remember any of it. Those around me let me know it though! It never helped me project.
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World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Shamanistic Journey?
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on: January 16, 2011, 04:21:38
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Shamanic journeys are indeed a form of astral travel, but it takes more than watching a video or listening to drum beats to do it. There are general shamanic principles that help prepare one for the trip and it's most helpful to have a shamanic mentor to help. Books on the subject can help too. I've learned a lot from some Creek Indian friends in Oklahoma. Their knowledge is quite similar to what I've learned from my Celtic ancestors.
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Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: This is why FOX is banned in my country
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on: January 12, 2011, 04:58:36
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Look, Nay, I don't care who gave what to whom. If Fox resonates with you -- great. But honestly, I don't recall Soros claiming to be "fair and balanced" like Fox. And how much did Fox give to Democratic candidates after the million dollar donation to the Republican party? I'm just tired of the partisan BS from all sides. Nobody seems to want to work together for the common good.
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Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Channeling God!!
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on: December 16, 2010, 05:48:06
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Red Esper,
We all communicate with "God" and reveal "God" in whatever language we know. Why should he be expected to translate the languages you posted if he doesn't know them?
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Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The church ladies
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on: November 18, 2010, 05:23:07
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Door to door "evangelists" can be very annoying but I've had some fun with them too.
One guy said, "Have you ever considered how Jesus, the all powerful Son of God, can help you change your sinful ways?" And I asked, "Jesus is all powerful?" He said, "Of course!" I replied, "Have you ever considered that if Jesus is the all powerful Son of God, can he created a rock so big that he himself can't pick it up?" He just said, "God bless you!" and walked off.
Another guy, from Campus Crusade for Christ, hit me up while I was studying in the Student Union. He asked me if I understood the meaning of life. I said, "I'll tell you the meaning of life if you promise not to laugh." That jacked him off of his program. He just laughed and walked off.
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