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1  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 21, 2014, 17:55:23
Realize that I'm not saying you're wrong for believing what you do above. 

I'm saying that you are limiting yourself by putting yourself into this box which then limits your potential for change... physically and non-physically.

You can't live inside the box and pretend that you are outside of the box. From the eternal oneness point of view birth and destruction are both relatively meaningless, experiences of the "self" both the earthly ones and the astral ones are meaningless also health and sickness are both meaningless. So if you want to go by those rules the whole concept of the word "healing" that you mention in #28 is also meaningless. It's nice to be aware of it in philosophy but as long as we live inside the box I prefer to do as the Romans do.
2  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 21, 2014, 05:55:57


Yes, that's how it goes in the Physical.

But then B invites A to the NPR and things go a little bit differently there.

A gets his his butt kicked, despite all of that training, but doesn't understand why. After all he's done all that training in the physical so what's going on:

Then B offers this:

How did I beat you?

A says: You... you're too fast.

Then B gives him the real answer: Do you believe that my being stronger or faster has anything to do with my muscles in this place? Do you think that's air you're breathing now?

Then A realizes that things work differently here.

Where you are describing is not the ultimate non physical. It's still matter, energy and transformation though the particles might be different from the mainstream science which means that the non physical has new physical resources but basically the same rules apply.
3  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 21, 2014, 03:36:30
I agree, 100%.  However, you have one big problem in your example: you're thinking "physically". 

You're limiting yourself by that physical-based thought.
You've gotta begin to think BEYOND the physical. 

I don't know about other realms and I'm not concerned about them as long as I live here but in this realm Physical and non physical are connected. They shape the universe and as a result are limited by each other. This universe is about matter and energy which is the physical side and the thing that decides their transformation which is the non physical. That's why the healing arts of this realm work by the same rules and no matter how strong your will is in transforming disease to health you are limited by your physical resources.
4  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 21, 2014, 01:16:54
Healing is just healing.  It's really just that simple.
You probably won't understand this yet but... all that other stuff you mentioned above is "relatively" meaningless.

A And B want to fight in a boxing match in 2 years. A goes to a boxing gym and trains the techniques, cardio and sparring everyday. B says A is making things too complicated. Fighting is just fighting, it is that simple. So he never trains because it can't be more complicated than his play station game. After 2 years they finally come to fight and reality bites B in a few seconds.
5  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 20, 2014, 16:46:19
Fusions, let me give you a new perspective.
Why does it matter if someone/thing you've experienced came from within or without?

Instead, ask yourself "did I learn or gain anything from the experience?"

That is all that is important.

It's not important if you don't have any pragmatic goals but sometimes if you want to put your skills in use then you need to analyze and differentiate between the two. For example in healing arts you need to differentiate between internal factors like deficiency of the organs, disharmony, ... and the external pathogens like the entities. For the former you nourish or harmonize, for the latter you expel the external pathogen. Usually it's a combination of both and in that case you must decide which one is more important and modify the treatment accordingly.
6  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 20, 2014, 09:48:56
I understand that and can relate to it. The question asked hasn't been answered.
We hear of indigo children to use a label. How would these somewhat gifted people fall into the balance? They already have an advantage as the art is inherent.
I'm curious.

I don't know but if they were talented they would be able to see this sooner or later because it is not that hard to see entities attached to people's auras. Given that they have better connections to the energy of the heavens it would be great if they could lead us out of this low plane. What do you know about them?
7  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 20, 2014, 00:58:56
Rezaf, I like your conviction.
Lets suppose a person was born in a chapel, was the first born of a seventh son of a seventh son and their family had many natural projectors within it for hundreds of years.
How would such a person, once adult, fare in this demonic interference if they knew nothing of it at all?


Here on this plane we don't live in a perfect world. We feed on other beings both energetically and physically. Others feed on us the same way. Finally due to a mixture of internal reasons and external reasons like entities we gradually decay and die. When we talk about entities you shouldn't just think of demons with horns and fangs. Some entities are harmful some are not some are simple parasites and some can cause more serious damage. Some are wild and some are more intelligent. Some help you and some help you for a price... But as I said as long as we live on this relatively low plane we are bound to experience these imperfections to different degrees no matter what we believe in or how much we are aware of. However emotional or physical imbalance can make it more scary or harmful.
8  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 19, 2014, 17:53:49
Of course this is true, but that's because the effects of beliefs, intentions, etc. have much less ability to manifest in the more collective Physical Reality. If we are discussing the Non-physical, which I think we are, then it's a different story. The Non-physical is much more of an individual manifested reality, less a collective reality so going in with a set of predetermined beliefs, fears, expectations etc. will greatly effect the experience. If you believe in demons, expect them to be there, are afraid of them then you are telegraphing: "This is what I want!" I think we can all figure out what happens after that. As the saying goes: "be careful what you wish for".

Physical and non physical are deeply connected and things on one side always manifest themselves on the other side for example in all kinds of diseases. There is a shield between the two that decreases the effects but many of the effects are quite visible for those who can see. Belief is just one of the factors among many other factors and many people who have entity attachments in their auras are not aware of it and don't even believe in this stuff. If you are too scared of demons and can't stop thinking about them your fear weakens your shield and attracts them to come and feed but even without that mindset there is still the chance to bump into entities that are stronger than your strong shield. In that case simple belief is not enough and you need to learn strengthening the shield manually. In that case you need to know how your shield works and for example by absorbing the surrounding energy through your meridians or herbs/incense... get some extra help.
9  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 19, 2014, 15:33:43
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pX5CmJw0QTM
Bashar's opinion about this, case closed imo, it has everything to do with your beliefs.

This reminds me of woman who was doing work to protect people from radiation from devices, Bashar's reply:
If you don't believe this things can effect you they won't.

It is a good way of blocking for beginners but on its own it doesn't work all the time because it also depends on your energy. It's like sitting beside someone who has the flu. If you believe you are strong you might have lower chances of catching the flu as your beliefs make your shield stronger but it's not bulletproof. If you sit beside someone who has a very strong virus chances are your beliefs are not gonna help you much.

Believing  iPhone's radiation is not gonna hurt you and believing an atomic bombs radiation is not gonna hurt you are two different things. IMO oversimplification without having the proper knowledge of how things work results in false or incomplete judgements.
10  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 19, 2014, 07:22:46
The only fantasy world I've ever lived in was one made of a religious belief system. And they sure did train me. Trained me to believe everything I was told. Trained me to be afraid and that evil was lurking around every corner. Trained me to not trust my own spiritual intuition. Trained to believe that the devil could come as an angel of light so I could never really know for sure of was be tricked by some evil demons. Oh I got plenty of training. No surprise either that I had fear-driven experiences with these so-called evil entities.

A lot of that "training" people are getting is not teaching them to see something that is there, but to believe that something is there. BIG difference. Once I rid myself of all that wonderful "training" I got, guess what? No more fear, no more evil spirits! I'll take the world I live in any day over that fantasy world of demons.  

But you are still afraid of them. What you are experiencing now is called denial which is a normal defense mechanism but it hinders your progress because if you open your eyes you will accept good and evil as they are and that both exist together balancing each other.  A so called dark entity feeding off your energy might be evil in your eyes but it is certainly good for him. The same way you eating a chicken or a plant is good for you but bad for them. What is evil for you is good for someone else and it is arrogance to think otherwise.
11  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 19, 2014, 07:05:41
So basically you are not trained. I don't have any evil intentions towards you and I don't understand what kind of none sense you want to connect qigong with to win the argument but I suggest that you learn more about traditions that have been dealing with the supernatural for thousands of years instead of the newage blind love. Love is a powerful energy but like everything else it is limited by energy and the receiver's state of mind or you would be able to solve all the problems in the world right now(well can you? rolleyes). Fear, happiness, sadness, ... Are all normal feelings connected to each other and we need a healthy dose of all. Whenever each of them is unbalanced we start to have problems.
12  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 19, 2014, 06:17:07
Is this what your teacher teaches you?

 It's nice to see him/her spreading the fear, instead of the Love.  rolleyes

He spreads balance and knows how to heal people. If you have been trained to see entities walk in a hospital and see for yourself what the real world looks like. If you haven't been trained and live in your newage fantasy then dream on.
13  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 19, 2014, 04:34:16
Your state of mind has so much to do with whatever entities you run into. Entities seem to be attracted to like states of mind so if you get into a lower vibration base state of mind, this attracts that certain kind of entity. I try to keep my level as high as possible, which attracts the higher level entities and repels the lower ones.

What you are saying is true to a degree but as long as we are here on the physical plane we are bound to live among many lower level entities and a few are very strong. Even if you try to be positive you might get affected by being close to people who have them in their auras. It takes hard work to learn how to block or cleanse them and even more hard work to learn how to help people get rid of them.

Today in my teacher's tcm clinic we had a patient who had something nasty deep in her. My teacher was very cautious about dealing with that kind of situation and of course the patient and the other students who couldn't see that thing weren't aware that what he was doing was more exorcism than normal acupuncture treatment. I thought that I could handle it but as soon as he started the entity attacked me as I was closer to the patient. I did cleanse myself with qigong and taking some herbs but it was a good warning that these things should never be taken lightly.
14  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dealing with projections of the mind or real entities? on: March 18, 2014, 20:24:21
There are so many entities lurking around us interfering in our dreams, health and life in general that most of what you see is real but how you perceive the manifestation of their energy is a bit tricky and depends on the state of your mind.
15  Energy Body and The Chakras / Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Re: Ears Ringing on: January 14, 2014, 06:30:58
Tinnitus is not so narrowly defined. It can be exactly like pre-exit OBE soundings.
http://www.webmd.com/a-to-z-guides/understanding-tinnitus-basics

Thanks for the article. I think from medicine's point of view the meditation sound is one type of tinnitus. However I think there should be a difference between ear malfunction and that extra sensitivity that we develop in meditation. For my case what makes the difference is that as I go deeper into meditation I can see/sense the entities that are moving around and the high pitched sound turns to the more clear hiss sound as they move.

I also think that hearing it all the time might be because of overusing that sensitivity which might damage the ear, so probably it's better to ignore it and focus on the earthly life when one is not in meditation.

Years ago when I was in high school I use to focus a lot on this sound and the result was sensing and hearing the clear sound of other entities all the time. Although it made me very sensitive it also caused headaches and lack of concentration in studying so I decided to separate these two aspects of my life and ignore the sounds when I am not in meditation.
16  Energy Body and The Chakras / Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Re: Ears Ringing on: January 09, 2014, 19:58:38
There are two types of ringing. One is tinnitus which is from TCM point of view because of deficiency in liver and kidney or a few other reasons. Another is a high pitched sound that is basically the sound of the unseen world maybe because of the movement of the entities around us so partly it sounds like someone walking on dry leaves . I have had both and in my experience the second one is much milder and not annoying. Also it only shows itself when I start different types of meditation. Tinnitus on the other hand is like a constant whistle and is more annoying. I have only had it a few times and know the difference but don't know how to explain it.
17  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I'm not so sure if I'll be safe. on: January 02, 2014, 20:38:44
In Daoism they first prepare and cultivate their energy for a long time and then they start magic and astral projection. There is some risk in going out of body and communicating with other entities and playing with these things without cultivating energy properly is just going to increase that risk. In my opinion having positive thoughts is certainly very important but on its own it is too general and vague to replace a proper training under a legitimate teacher. Some people are lucky but Including my own case I have heard about too many cases of people with some talent in these spiritual stuff who have had problems to various degrees and helping these people to get rid of the entities that see the opportunity to feed off humans is a field that should be studied and trained for.


And regarding thought=action I think it's better to say thought +reserved energy= action which is very similar to what we have in the physical world. For example you might have very good business ideas but if you don't have the financial power you will have limitations in making those ideas real. Also you must know that this rule works for other entities as well which means that if they want to harm you and they are more powerful than you they will succeed.
18  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Has anyone ever seen God? on: December 22, 2013, 00:41:00
"God is all that is. It is you. It is the chair, the room. It are the animals, the plants, the stars.
Everything is made from God because there is nothing else to make anything from. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQRf0r-EjkM

This is one theory but if that's the case then that god would be completely selfless and wouldn't be able to communicate with us, existing beyond our awareness and we wouldn't hear anything about him. However wherever there has been the concept of god or gods as the creator or the one who we pray to there is mention of individual characteristics. Personally I think there is a selfless infinity out there which is everything but i don't think that's God in a traditional sense.
19  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Has anyone ever seen God? on: December 20, 2013, 17:50:18
How could you see God without being God?

If you seen the edge of a flipper, would you say you had seen a blue whale?

The way God is generally defined  in most circles has to do with totality, unity, and infinity; we are equipped to conceptualize ideas like those, but we are not equipped to experience them.

What thing, had you seen it, would have made you say you had seen God? A lot of light? How would something like that, or in fact any finite experience you would have had explain a concept like God fully? I don't doubt you could see something very impressive, but I am near certain whatever it was would fall far short of the definitions ascribed to God.

Did you maybe consider that you are at this very moment experiencing God, and to experience God any more than this, you would perhaps have to be better equipped to experience than you are now?


I don't know how the red sun was connected to God but it's interesting to discuss what we should be looking for. One possibility would be an awareness beyond or separate from our awareness. In this case any communication would be impossible and we wouldn't be able to experience it and it wouldn't be able to experience us. Another possibility would be sharing an awareness in a connected system and in that case we would be able to experience it as much as it could experience us. An example would be the relationship between the Sun and the Earth. The sun is affected by the Earth's gravity and the Earth is affected by the gravity of the Sun.
20  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: So is the astral actually the spirit world? on: December 20, 2013, 05:15:45
It's a complicated thing and your own thoughts and preconceptions are part of what you experience but it's not a delusion just happening in your mind. In my experiences I have come across things that I couldn't have known before both accidentally and intentionally and it has proved to me that it's not a delusion for the most part. I can sense and sometimes see astral beings like spirits even when I am in my physical body and as far as I have seen people have an astral body attached to their auras and I assume they shift their awareness to those bodies when they are out of their bodies. It is a world where you can heal or hurt others and others can also do the same to you.
21  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Has anyone ever seen God? on: December 20, 2013, 03:56:39
Today when I was out of body I intended to meet God. I looked above and a red sun appeared. I decided to ascend but it was a long way and I was suddenly stopped in the middle  and couldn't fly higher. I found myself in a city with amazing architecture, a place I had been to before. I walked around for a while and since there was nothing more to do I woke up. Has anyone ever tried this before?
22  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Are religions fake? on: October 16, 2013, 07:02:54
I am not particularly interested in the social aspects of of the religions as a means of control. Even without the old religions we create a lot of new ways of brainwashing to control the common people in order to make sure that the power that be can get richer/more powerful and the poor wouldn't rebel against them which is not necessarily a bad thing for preventing chaos if they keep it balanced. However what I am interested in is the spiritual or mystical side of those religions.  In that regard according to what I have gathered they are not completely fake though they might be heavily fabricated. Islam, Christianity and Judaism originate in older religions or their deities and in my experience there are beings out there that would match with what they describe but how much is legend and how much is true is what I'm trying to learn more about.

23  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Can control energy but not feel it? on: July 02, 2013, 08:35:08
bagua's circle walking is also a good internal method. Similar to taiji, circle walking also uses the spiral energy which can open the meridians and move the Qi.
24  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Can control energy but not feel it? on: July 02, 2013, 08:09:36
Sorry I don't know anything about the pole circling form in taichi because I'm not familiar with the English translations but zhanzhuang is just holding certain postures for enhancing the energy circulation. this is the most common posture and is called hunyuan. It can bring the energy from the ground to your dantian and enhance the circulation.
25  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Can control energy but not feel it? on: May 16, 2013, 05:04:03
You may practice qigong standing postures(zhanzhuang), tai chi, ...
As your energy builds up you will be more and more sensitive.
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