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1  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: "the sweet spot" on: May 21, 2017, 14:06:12
well seeing as the vid is gone, can someone who has done the technique explain it in depth please this post really interested me, and I want to try it, my comprehending is terrible which is why I asked for in depth step by step explanation thanks

The technique involves waking up consciously. Every time you awaken during your night's sleep, you must try to remain completely still, keep your eyes closed and then attempt to separate from the body instantly with whatever technique you prefer (or you can use multiple techniques to see which one induces the vibration). Immediately after waking up from a dream, the subtle body is still quite loose (because it has just left the dream or astral world) and you can re-enter the non-physical world consciously, and quite quickly.

This technique has worked wonderfully for me, and it gets much easier later in the night. You first need to keep a record of how many times you wake up during a normal night's sleep. This technique does not involve trying to retain awareness while drifting off to sleep, or maintaining a delicate balance in the hypnogogic state for prolonged periods.


Step 1 : Wake up naturally at whatever time you usually do, (for example, 3AM), and while trying to fall asleep again, make several affirmations to yourself that the next time you wake up, you will remain still and that you will wake up consciously, knowing exactly where you are, where you have just been, and that you must now immediately attempt an OBE. It doesn't take much practice to do this; its hard as hard as it sounds.. It's just about reversing a habit. Until now you have been waking up from a dream, moving to get more comfortable for a few minutes, and then falling asleep again; but this time, you will make an intention to wake up without moving and with a clear goal in mind.

2. Repeat this step every time you wake up briefly during the night. Making a suggestion in this deeply altered, drowsy state is quite powerful, (because the conscious mind is far less active and the subconscious can be programmed) and one reason it works is because an individual later wakes up with the last thing he/she thought about before falling asleep previously. Make the affirmation with force and conviction for perhaps 30-60 seconds, and fall asleep naturally.

3. Once you have succeeded in waking up with some awareness and without moving, you must then immediately start practising your chosen technique to induce the vibrations. I first stumbled upon this technique a few years ago when I was in a normal dream and woke up at about 6 am. I was awake for about 15 seconds, but as I relaxed in bed I passionately wished I could experience the dream again. I was sad that it left me. For no reason at all, I started spontaneously imagining the dream I just left, like a daytime fantasy, and then out of nowhere, I felt vibrations rush through my body, I heard a whooshing wind sound in my ear, saw blackness, and then found myself in the exact same dream environment I left. That changed everything, and since then I have used this technique ever since.

4.When you feel yourself awaken from a dream or sleep, do not move, blink your eyes or do anything unless it is absolutely necessary. The goal here is to remain in to this deeply altered state, as close as possible to the dream state you just left. This is the sweet spot. The big advantage is that you have awoken with your mind refreshed,  (Monroe also recommends this for beginner practitioners in his first book) and you should not experience the same level of mental exhaustion as when trying to remain aware while falling into the hypnogogic state. If you do wake up extremely groggy and cannot think with any coherence, it may be too early in the night. You will come closer in the next awakening. This technique can work very well immediately after REM sleep (like most techniques), because your physical muscles were paralysed from REM, and therefore deeply relaxed, but also in REM sleep you mind is more alert compared to the other sleep stages and can woken up easier. This is what you're for, a deeply relaxed body with a partially awake mind.

5. Perform your projection technique immediately after awakening, and imagine yourself climbing, spinning, rising, jumping, bouncing or whatever you choose as strongly as you possibly can. Try to feel the vertigo in your torso as your perform your techniques. Usually, you will spend 60 seconds performing your technique. You can choose to use just one technique for the entire 60 seconds, or use 5 or 6 different techniques, spending 10 seconds on each. Alternatively, you can also imagine the dream you just left instead, (called a Dream Exit induced lucid dream), and if you included all your senses, this can induce the vibrations too, and you will find yourself back in the dream environment. If no projection has occurred after 60 seconds, there is the possibility that the sweet spot has faded, which is no problem. You just go back to bed, make your affirmation (which might be the most important part of this entire technique, because the affirmation is what makes you wake up consciously in the first place) and attempt it again the next time you wake up. Another important point is that you must practice your technique routine even if you have moved. This is vital. Not only for establishing the habit, but also because I have actually projected quite a few times when I have moved my leg slightly, and I was shocked that I still projected about 15 seconds later. In the very beginning, still attempt your projection technique even if you have moved for 5 minutes and know that it will not work that particular time. Each time you do this, you are actually reducing the amount of time it takes to remember your intention. In the first few days, you may find you have woken up and moved for 5 minutes, before remembering what to do. But each day, that time decreases, from 5 minutes, to 3 minutes, to 1 minutes, to 30 seconds, and then by day 7 you will find that you are waking up at 6 am and now knowing what to do almost immediately. The training will not take long.


Do not be discouraged if the technique doesn't work the first few times. It is simply a matter of time, and when it happens, the projection occurs very quickly. Remember, even if you attempt this at 10 separate awakenings with no success at all, the technique itself only takes 60 seconds each time to perform, so that is only 10 minutes of effort in total. In the past, I would have spent an hour with my old technique of trying to fall asleep consciously, while struggling to stay aware in the hypnogogic state, and I would end the session so frustrated that nothing happened. I wouldn't even feel the vibrations. Plus my mind was so tired, and I would just want to fall asleep. This sweet spot technique doesn't require that. You simply wake up, stay still, attempt a projection, and if its not quite the right time, that's no problem. Go back to sleep after a minute or two. You will be ready to catch the next awakening.

Good luck...
2  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: My doubts about projecting... on: April 26, 2015, 17:25:30
Once again, I'm not trying to be awkward or cynical. Please don't misinterpret this.

If you have never needed reassurance Xanth, you obviously have a better instinctive grasp than I do. I'm working on mine, trying to learn how to know and how to listen.

My point is still very much valid though.

The other night, I projected whilst my wife and I were both sleeping in bed. I found myself in my room (for the first time), it was dark but I could see enough. My wife had gone, the bed and the room were different, the room was slightly different, when I floated out the bedroom door the house was slightly different?

How do we know that we are not just consciously dreaming about experiencing a phenomena we are all willing ourselves to have?

I heard about a study conducted in the states where some people projected and traveled to another site to read information off a card on a table in a house hundreds of miles away. Has anyone else tried this successfully?

I'm not giving up.. Just thought it was a point worth raising. Especially for the people out there who are just starting this journey.  



You can definitely conduct experiments. There's even a section in Campbell's book where he wondered the same thing, if this was all just imagination, until he and a partner both projected separately and reported back to Robert Monroe with almost identical information that couldn't have been obtained elsewhere.

The next time you project, try to set up an experiment. You might have gained enough skill already, so tell your wife to make sure she's the last person downstairs and let her leave a large written message in their kitchen (or any kind of item you won't know about), and then see if you were correct. Attempt this as many times as you feel necessary. Or visit someone you know with their permission at a specific time/place agreed up, and phone them back in the morning to see if their activity correlated with what you observed.
3  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What if I have a false awakening? on: March 24, 2015, 00:49:47
Thank you for the reply, EscapeVelocity. I agree with you saying that I need to shift my perspective. I think I've been focusing on something that isn't really important. Like you said, if I find myself aware in a non-physical environment, then maybe that's already an OBE. Whether it's a false awakening or not at the beginning might not matter. All I know is that I initiated the sensations every time.
4  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / What if I have a false awakening? on: March 22, 2015, 15:33:49
I project by immediately performing an exit technique after waking up from a dream without moving. My question is if I have a false awakening and didn't really wake up, what if I perform an exit technique and still feel the sensations/vibrations? Is this just a dream about projecting and nothing more, or did I turn a dream into an astral projection?

I hope my question is clear. Sometimes when I wake up in the night after a dream I'm so groggy I'm not fully sure where I am, but last night I felt like I projected 4 or 5 times. Every single time it was me who initiated the process by imagining myself spinning, and then the vibrations would come almost immediately and I would sense and feel a heavy light on my third eye. It just seemed so easy, which is making me wonder if they were all just false awakenings or dreams.
5  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Astral projection, vibrations and focusing the eye's upward? on: March 10, 2015, 23:21:29
Thank you Soki for you extremely helpful posts. Rolling the eyes upward is something I'm definitely going to try. I know someone who projects regularly by rolling their eyes upwards. They see a light coming towards them and then end up in a scene.

Various times during the night when falling asleep I see a white haze. It's only started appearing a few months ago when I started third eye meditation. Maybe this is a way to exit.
6  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: When to try exiting?? on: November 12, 2014, 18:42:15
I went through the same problems as you. I either laid there with nothing happening staring at darkness, or just fell asleep. But you still have gone far, to even feel a buzzing or see shapes is a huge sign or progress. What I did was try to project during the middle of the night immediately after awakening (and without moving),and I've had continuous success since. There's a free online book called "school of out of body travel" that would help if you're interested in that technique.

I also heard conversations when falling asleep a few years ago. In fact I wasn't even that relaxed and I just got into bed, close my eyes for 5 minutes and the voices started. Then when I sat up they stopped. I never found out where they were coming from. It used to sound like a group of people, 3 or 4, both male and female having a conversation but I could never make out the words. I was quite alert too and not even in the hypnogogic state yet. It doesn't happen much now. It's only happened once this year.
7  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Why did I hear this loud buzzing noise? on: October 31, 2014, 23:37:11
OK. I'll remember to do that. If I can learn to sustain the experience for longer a guide might turn up. Last night it felt like I was in that environment for about 10 minutes, which is a record for me. I asked for a guide at the end, but by that point I had already been feeling mentally tired.
8  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Why did I hear this loud buzzing noise? on: October 31, 2014, 22:23:07
Thank you for the explanation. I have been trying to figure out what this buzzing is. It doesn't scare me. I have tried to call out for a guide 4 or 5 times, but nothing happens. I think I still lack focus and experience at the moment. Eventually I hope to get a reply.
9  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Polaris Interviews Robert Bruce on: October 31, 2014, 21:56:26
Great interview. I really enjoyed reading it. When he mentioned that you actually have to persist and can't give up if you don't get instant results made me think about how impatient I've been with other things. I like his NEW system too. I'm terrible at visualisation and much prefer feeling the actions on my skin instead of trying to see an image of it in my mind.

What Robert said about beliefs is true too. Beliefs have certainly limited me a lot in my life. I tend to look down on some subjects as just primitive, superstitious nonsense without actually testing it out. Thats anti-science, as Thomas Campbell says. A true scientist would be curious about anything unusual and want to find out. I have to stop being ignorant
10  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Why did I hear this loud buzzing noise? on: October 31, 2014, 16:12:38
Last night I tried to astral project following an awakening in the middle of the night. Next thing I knew I felt a melting sensation and heard a whooshing sound for about 10 seconds. Then I found myself on a slow moving train, fully lucid and in amazement.

I was determined to speak to a spirit guide or anyone to obtain answers, but first I wanted to heighten my awareness, so I stared at an object intently for 10 seconds. The environment then changed, and people started to move more quickly and colours appeared brighter. But what I remember most was hearing this loud buzzing around my head when I focused my attention, like I was standing next to a bee nest. This has happened before in lucid dreams when I focused on a item.

What does this mean? Has anyone else experienced this buzzing? I know some people get buzzing just before an astral projection, but this was peculiar because I wasn't in the physical world. I'm not complaining. I don't mind the sound. I'm just trying to understand it. And I don't know why the environment changed when I focused my attention. Any reply will be much appreciated.
11  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Experiences with obe4u.com techniques on: July 24, 2014, 21:22:39
Also it was very annoying waking up to the alarm no matter what volume it was.

Thanks.

In Raduga's book, he mentions how critical it is to get the best sleep possible for the first six hours. It's this that allows you to wake up with more awareness later in the night. You don't want to be disturbed by alarms during these first six hours. If you happen to wake up naturally during the night then still spend 3/4 minutes focusing on affirmations and visualisations, but it may work better for you to have your alarm going off only during the last 2-3 hours of your sleep.
12  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Experiences with obe4u.com techniques on: July 23, 2014, 17:21:46
I awoke this morning at 8 something in the morning and it didn't work. I've been trying it everyday since the first post and am deciding to take two weeks off and after that I'm only going to try it three days a week because I do feel that it has tired me out. Also I just wanted to mostly get lucid dreams not obe's until I had more experience. I remember posting on this forum that when I was doing it three times a week I was having lucid dreams. Thanks for all the support, when the two weeks are over I'll post in this topic again and restart the conversation or we can even continue this conversation until then.

How many times a night are you trying to project? If you're trying 3-5 times you have a higher chance of success than if you tried only once. But if you're using an alarm to wake you up I can see how that would tire you out.
13  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Experiences with obe4u.com techniques on: July 21, 2014, 15:31:07
I think it's the willpower. Also I'll try to focus on the movement outside of my body.

Thanks.

All the electricity feelings you're experiencing is fantastic. You're very close. This is exactly what I'm going through. Every time you wake up try to project no matter what. Even if you have moved. Be mechanical and don't even think about it.

The other night at about 2AM I was awake for a whole 5 minutes before remember to attempt a projection, and I was very surprised when I heard this whooshing sound. I had even moved slightly a couple minutes earlier. So it can happen when you least expect it. With every awakening focus as much as you can on instantly attempting a projection after waking up. It becomes stronger as the night goes on.
14  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Experiences with obe4u.com techniques on: July 17, 2014, 19:38:42
I awoke this morning to a cell phone alarm (so I can try to practice the techniques more) and remember trying to stay still but I either went to sleep. Or was jolted into waking consciousness then struggled with sleep (going in between wake and asleep) for four hours.

Any tips?

When I use an alarm the duration it has to be very short (1-2 seconds max) and the noise volume very low. I had to experiment to find out just the right balance - a signal that didn't wake me up too abruptly but just about strong enough to spark awareness and help me realise where I am and what to do. It always worked best for me when I was able to wake up as comfortably and as smoothly as possible. 
15  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Experiences with obe4u.com techniques on: July 16, 2014, 15:10:19
Hmm...  Pain and projection don't usually mix too well! lol  Keep at it!  You'll get it eventually. Make sure your intent is strong.  That truly is key to this whole practice.  Technique is helpful to a point, but strong desire and intent are by far the main ingredients!

I've only just realised how crucial this is. When I fall asleep in the middle of the night without any intent to project, I always forget to stay still upon awakening. Raduga stresses how important it is not to go to bed with an empty head. When I focus on projecting during awakenings throughout the night, that's when I start to see success.

I practice the technique every night and have no problems. I don't stay up for 30 or 40 minutes either. I'm awake for only 5-7 minutes and in that time I'm strongly focusing on affirmations/visualisations. I'd agree with that Xanth said. Try as much as you're comfortable with.
16  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: waking up and keeping still does it really work? on: July 07, 2014, 15:53:39
If you find yourself struggling to remember to keep still or don't wake up enough times during sleep, maybe try to use an alarm that turns itself off quickly after a second or two. As soon as you hear the noise you know that you have to instantly attempt projection no matter what. This is my favourite method because you don't lose any sleep and don't lie there for hours with nothing happening. Later in the night you start to wake up more smoothly. Michael Raduga has an excellent free e book on this.
17  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: waking up and keeping still does it really work? on: July 07, 2014, 15:51:39
This is the only method that has given me success. So far all of my non physical experiences have come from just laying still after waking up and instantly trying to project. Nothing else has ever worked or brought me to the vibrational state. It can be challenging sometimes to remember not to move, but it gets easier after 5am as long as you use affirmations.

For me it also seems to be easier if I am sleeping on my back. When I sleep on my side as soon as I wake up I instinctively move on to the other side to get more comfortable because my hips ache. Last week I woke up and forget to stay still. I attempted to astral project anyway thinking it wouldn't work because I moved, but to my surprise the vibrations still came. They were getting stronger until a loud crash in the street ruined it. The point is it showed me it can still work even if you have moved.


18  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Does everyone have a spirit guide? on: June 22, 2014, 18:07:25
Ok, thank you for the reply.
19  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Does everyone have a spirit guide? on: June 22, 2014, 17:33:10
I found myself having a non physical experience, and I thought to call out for a spirit guide. I asked firmly 3 times, but not a single thing happened. It made me wonder if I have a spirit guide at all or if it's just make believe. I'm confused at the moment and this has happened once before. So the question I want to ask is does everyone have a spirit guide or are there some people (possibly like me) who just don't have one?
20  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: My OBEs so far! on: June 16, 2014, 17:41:21
I think I know that "totally blind" feeling. I am sure I've gone travelled somewhere before and felt like an environment was nearby but just couldn't see it. I'l have to try that clarity now phrase too.

There was once I couldn't move past my bedroom walls. It was because I wasn't too sure if I was in my body or not. But the two times I did walk through my walls it was because I was absolutely 100% certain I was having a non physical experience. Maybe you weren't too sure.


It's great that you're starting to induce OBEs at will. Thats true mastery.
21  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I feel heavy exit sensations, but can't get any further on: June 05, 2014, 23:33:31
Thank you for the reply, Xanth. Next time I will try to focus my intent. If I did go somewhere I'm wondering why I couldn't see anything. I might try to say "clarity now." I thought imagining a scene would take me there but it'll take more than just that. I'll try to will myself there next time.
22  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / I feel heavy exit sensations, but can't get any further on: June 05, 2014, 19:06:30
Last night I woke up and instantly tried to project. About 12 seconds later my body felt like it started to melt, I heard this whooshing sound, felt myself sinking, and then I felt the strongest sensations I've ever had so far. I felt like my body had been rocketed into the sky and my mid section felt like it was separating in two. Then the roaring sound became deafening. i actually wondered at one point if I was about to die.

The problem though is that after about 60-90 seconds I still hadn't gone anywhere. All I could see was blackness. i tried to imagine my kitchen so i could project somewhere, but nothing happened. What am I doing wrong? I feel these exit sensations for about a minute and then I'm back in my room again. Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
23  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Can't concentrate while visualizing on: June 02, 2014, 13:47:34
You sound like someone who could find it hard to fall asleep after a certain time, a lot like me. I never try any wake-back-to-bed methods because I get really grumpy when my sleep is interrupted.

Tattwa cards are square cards with coloured shapes on them. You put the cards under a lamp, and after staring at it you see a coloured rim around the card which starts to glow. Then you look at a white background/piece of paper, and you'll see the coloured shape, such as a red triangle. Then you close your eyes and you see the image in your mind. With some practice you can enlarge the shape in your mind and use it as a doorway to the astral plane. Because you had some trouble concentrating, I thought maybe these cards could help.
24  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Can't concentrate while visualizing on: June 01, 2014, 22:20:08
Since you lose focus easily, have you ever tried Tattwa cards? i'm currently using some that I just made. JHH Brennan and Ophiel have some good chapters on it. The cards might help, because at first the image is in your mind, then you enlarge the image and eventually step through it.
25  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Can't concentrate while visualizing on: June 01, 2014, 22:14:11
Throughout the night, I wake up naturally 5-6 times. The first time that I wake up (around 12:45/1AM) it is quite hard to remember not to move. But it gets easier as the night goes on. Fall asleep with the intention not to move. I say to myself, "I remain still when I wake up". I can't fall asleep consciously but waking up consciously has brought me a lot closer to projecting. I'm still developing the habit.


 If you're someone who wakes up a lot naturally then this method could help. You might exit a dream really smoothly and feel tingling like I did last night. Instantly try to project. When I try to project from a waking state it's very hard to maintain concentration. But if I try it immediately after waking up my mind is that bit more focused, and my body is almost in the perfect state already. I just then try to imagine myself skateboarding, swimming or flying. On the 3rd night this method worked and gave me a conscious non physical experience. I've come close almost every night since I started this method. The only challenge is that you have to remember what to do straight away. Even if you do end up moving slightly try it anyway.
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