well for me the click is the goal. it's the flickering of awareness, of a change in my consiousness.

I've tried this before, i called in open-eye meditation. i do something similar, looking through something, focusing less on pyhsical.. really interesting.

woah i'm just finishing it myself!



I think Bob Monroe is talking about a etheric energy body. from my understanding some whom go OBE do not even notice it. think that you may have more then one body, a pyhsical, a mental. try to search or google subtle bodies.

Hi, I'm just finishing readin far Journey's.

My favorite book now!

Anyways, before bed I've been taking a shower, stretching, and listening to some hemi-sync.

I don't know which one it is, but its the one where you go through all he basic stuff, then Bob gets you to move your ballon up, then down, then you go to focus 10.

having a great time, the other day felt like i was peeling off my energy body.

I love it. But i'm trying to focus more on the consciousness part more then the energy.

Anyways, I have been have "clicks" during this.

I was focusing on going lower, getting less and less pyhsical snesations.

but it was strange, i would feel like my face, but not like pyhsical feelin.

anyways, i would lower, get kinda... disconnected from... feeling my body, kinda, and I would get kinda... not foggy, just my focus was not on anything.. losing focus......

and then CLICK!

I would go really clear, still no body(physical sensation) but i would get like a clear feeling all over, like i was standing outside on a cool night and cool few cool damp air, on my face, but not my face. i would imagine, almost see percieve stuff. can't quite remember.

this kept happening, until on one deeper decent, when i got foggy, and then i clicked back into a much clean awareness/ mental/thoughts

I kinda saw/ or it was there....

not a blackness, for me it was like, seeing the holodeck on startrek, you know the vertical and horizontal criss cross ornage lines?

well i saw/ percieved white triangles, like that. i might make a picture.

it was interesting. i can't explain it, i tried to tune into it.

anyways i brought myself out of it since it was getting late. but tonight is going to be the night!

i'll post again later and try to sort this out more.

sounds like a pile of old horse bollocks to me!

Doug

I'm curious to find why you find that it sounds like that.

I'm wondering if phasing and trance have something in common. If for example full trance is the same as say focus 12?

Christian

I think that phasing is somthing you can do in a trance or not. Like sometimes I might phase out and stare at the wall blankly, and daydream or get lost in a thought.

When I'm in a "trance" my focus is away from my body. My brainwaves I think are slower. I feel like I'm sinking, I try to look inwards.

I just guess it may be easier for someone to phase while in a trance, but i think that is more of a belief as I have had I think more phasing experience just sitting in a chair relaxing and letting my mind go.

thank you TheJza for the help.

take care,
-Shawn

thank you for the reply!

I used to meditate alot and try to go to trance, so I do not find that it is really that difficult.

I'm going to continue and see what happens. I guess I can just try to go to focus 10, and practice going deeper, and when i feel these sensations just let them come.

But I guess it is like yours, I will try not to fall asleep. Well i was tying anyways

take care,

-shawn

Canada is the way to go.



And cant forget about that sweet sweet BC bud

YES!!! you are official cool now! i LOVE living in canada

we love you Americans, come with us up here !

i've been trying to phase as well and i had a similar experience. it's not as nice as yours, but i'm just not sure if i was falling asleep...

i was wide awake, but it felt like i was "nodding off" for a half second and i would see somthing.

i think the problem is the experience felt like somthing when i fall asleep.

i mean, it felt like a sensation felt when i fall asleep.... this sense of motion.

sorry i could not answer your question as i really don't know.

so when trying to phase should I be looking to get to the same stage ? or should i focus on being more aware and awake, as it felt like i was falling asleep...... but for those few moments, for a half a second I would feel a motion and view a person or face....

it was a strange sensation. i think i will try and hold on to this, even if i may fall asleep. even though i was wide awake when i started and it was the afternoon.

i have focus 10 and many other focuses . i have a bwgen version of hemi-sync.

you have the presets for focus 10 ?

they used to be on this board as far as i can remember, i think they were in the download section.

i would think it could be many different things. it's best not to assume that it is one thing. I've seen myself somtimes wondering if somthing is.... somtimes people hope that somthing is happening or what not.

i mean.... like some people go to the doctor because they have a symptom of somthing... they get in their head that it is *this* just to find out it is not...

but anyways, it could just be the nerves in your lips having a sensory sensation or feedback ? I mean if i stretch my leg alot the muscle will tense... I mean i could think someone touched my leg when its just the nerves or the muscle....

anyways, IMHO

Hi, I just finished listening to the gateway series wave 1 #2.

I think I was in focus 10 before he was finished guiding me too it.

When he was talking about relaxing certain body parts and such I was very much already there i think. Anyways, my post is a question...

I was letting myself go, and my... awareness seemed to waver and flicker. I would get a sense of motion every fee seconds. The problem is that i felt very.... like I was going to sleep alittle. It felt like dream images or daydreaming images. I would get a quick glimps of people moving buy me, like on the street.

My question is this what I am looking for ? because when it was happening I can't say that I was fully aware or awake. I'm awake now, it just kinda felt like i was going asleep and when i did i would get a sense of motion and would "see" somthing.

Should I aim for a more wakeful experience?

somthing strange did happen, near the end my awareness snapped and I felt more focused (my mind)

I had more clarity and did not feel... drowsy and foggy.

But i don't remember any more images etc.

anyways I will try again tommorow.

I hope that I am on to somthing. If this is what I'm looking for I can see where everyone says it is easier then you think!

oh, and when I was done... I was in a nice deep trance state I believe... normally when i am i find it hard to move my arms or legs for a good second or too. this time i had a bit of a time opening my eyes!

one step closer I feel

would any of the moderators know ?

does anyone know ?

I've tried Salvia a couple times, i had one experence where my reality shifted and there were two women, a older one and a younger one discussing my life, but in a way that they were also experiencing my life...... it was really strange.

i have to say that doing qi gong while on salvia is really interesting. it seemed to effect the passage of time for me too.

I replied in another section to someone else's post. I cannot seem to find them. They used to be here, brainwave generator focus presets. I downloaded them long ago but have since lost the files. do they still exist ?



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anyone ?

Frank, Major Tom ?

I could of course go on and on, but I will finish up by pointing out another very important aspect of this same root:
 
Shem or the adverb 'there' is also the exact same word as the regular noun "name."  So...

 shemi may mean "heaven" and/or "sky", but ...
 shemi also means "My Name."  

Just some points to ponder...

Peace,
Beth

woah thats wonderful, it makes me think that maybe they ment heaven is us, or from within us... at least that is what first jumps to my mind

As long as we don't become so overly absorbed in one world that we close ourselves off the other, there is a very useful balance to be found between the two.
...such as spending a few hours in meditation with the spirits in the local forest, then coming home to my entertainment system, arming myself with a plasma rifle, rocket launcher and lots of grenades, and blowing the heads off Covenant forces in Halo 2.
Most satisfying!

Blessings,
James.

i love your post James. What you say really makes sense, although many man object to your point of view. Technology I guess is a tool for us to use, to help connect to what we need.

oh! if you play online add me to your friend list:

shedt V is my gamertag.

I really love also to read Gandalf's post, learning the history of things is really great. I love also how you say that you can find spiritual truths in the bible more so now. very cool indeed!

Frank do you suggest any form of hemi-sync or sound file to help you focus ?

Woah ! This book is awesome ! I'm alittle more then half-way through.

It's really good, and has sparked some new interest in e, and dug up some old ones.

I can't wait to read the other books he wrote. I have a few questions, hope someone can shed some light..

So let me skim through first here...

Locale 2- Has anyone else been there ? Is this just his way of saying astral realms ?

How about the locale 3, which was quite solid and real ?

Has anyone here experienced like Mr. Monroe, where he like, melded and became the other him in locale 3 ?

Now I was reading last night about how the little boy-type thing was on his back. I guess it is just a parasite type creature.

what ways do others here remove such things, or avoid them ?

Also I was wondering about when he had three beings around him plling at him, when he was scared and praying and stuff. they were laughing at him praying.

then when he got in his body, his niece in the other room was having a night terror it sounded like...

what do you think these beings were ? what would you have done ? what do you think would have been possible ?

thanks !

I was wondering if there is any scientologists here ?

I was thinking about going down to thier church too learn some more about them. I like what i have been reading on their site. anyone have any experience with them/ there etc ?

I've been reading Astral Dynamics..... amazing !

but i was curious about astral feedback. I've had a experience which seemed like a failed OBE, but now when i look back over it I wonder if it was sucessful but I just did not have a sucessful memory download.

Anyone try to re-create astral feedback on purpose as a means of memory download?
I know it is dangerous and seems too be. painful ? but what if you got used to it, and developed a technique where you only let it happen for a momment or so ?

what about training for real time sight in trance state ?

any tips ?

Do you summon music when you having a OBE or Lucid dream ?

is it hard ?

do you make "theme music" for yourself ?