What are your toughts on theories about the end of the world that would occure in 2012 according to Mayan and many other predictions.
They claim that on 21. Dec 2012 the calendar ends, so does this whole era, and new era begins, transforming humans from what they are now to true spiritual beings.
Not the end of the world like we usually refer to it, but the begining of the whole new era, the better one...
Sounds amazing, but my personal opinion is that nothing that significant is not going to happen, just like at least dozen 'ends of the world' that were supposed to occur from 2000 till now. :) However, this teory has a pretty solid ground.
What are your opinions...?
My thoughts?
Lets just wait and see what happens.
Be prepared for the worst.
Hope and pray for the best, whatever your version of "the best" may be.
A list of years that someone has predicted the end of the world.
1496
1524
1533
1669
1689
1736
1792
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1843
1844
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1856
1891
1914
1919
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1948
1953
1957
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1990-1997
1999-2006
There are also future dates scattered from now till 2076. Pretty hard to take it seriously considering the track record.
People have been predicting the end of the world since we humans could grasp the thought. There are multiple people in chicago right know predicting the end soon but i seriously doubt it really is going to happen.
You said that this theory has some sound solid ground what might that be, please give evidence and reasons why you think they might be right.(And don't tell me that the world today is in choas with all the wars going on because there have always been wars and many of them worse then the ones today)
Actually, that is not true... Yes, there were more devastating wars in the past, more people killed...
But now wars are fought from the inside, and the deception of people has never been greater...
A huge part of humanity's lifestyles are controlled, by media influence, fake advertising, politic lies...
Every truly beneficial thing or every invention for greater good is being surpassed by the corporations and the organisations running the world... Most of the population never even stopped to develop their spiritual side.
And as the matter of fact, I think people are stupider than ever, and are further from their purpose than ever before.
And i think it is a time for change, although I admit that the tought of it makes me a bit afraid.
Just a tought...
well I am not sure about the end of the world but I had a dream a few days ago that there was a huge mushroom shape explosion a few miles away then I said "HOLY excrement" grabbed my sister and dove in the other direction and there was a white light then I was in nothingness saying to my self that I was not going to let my self die and then I woke up. The detail of my surrounding were erily percise and the sound the feeling of this pressure fluctuation was so extreme it was very weird. heres the weird part I live on the califonian coast which is the area that was threatened to be tageted by korea... then again it was just a dream
Well there might be some truth to it. Look at the last 100 years or so:
2 World wars
Lots of other wars (we are still having bad ones now)
Drug usage increased by so much.... its one form of evil (yes sounds stupid but I don't know how else to express it)
Natural disasters
Drastic climate and season changes, also all storms etc. get stronger
There are so many signs that the world is getting worse and worse... it seems like its ending somehow or coming towards an end. 2012 something might happen...... I don't believe that the world will be destroyed or something like that and that we have to follow someone/something to be safed... but something might happen, a restart or so.
The dark ages sounded pretty bad to me. Plaque, wars, average life expectancy of 40, etc. From that perspective it would seem that things have gotten better.
Yah but technically its true that if there were an end of the world it would probably be within the next 100 year why not 2012. I think that when the world does end its not going to be a nice transition its just going to be a bunch of humans clinging to life as it is ripped away from them. Our coporations wont realease their hold on gas and go out of their way to destroy alternate fuel sources. That alone is enough to end us in the next 100 years however now third world countries with power hungry leaders are getting hold of Weapons of Mass Destruction. 2012 sounds like a unbelievably long time to live.
At one time I thought demons would kill us all. But it seems that We will kill us all.
Quote from: Cory The Great
Yah but technically its true that if there were an end of the world it would probably be within the next 100 year
Really? How so? Who says?
Quote from: Cory The GreatAt one time I thought demons would kill us all. But it seems that We will kill us all.
That's called growing up. Welcome to the
real world! :-D
Sarah
People spend too much time worrying about the end of the world and not enough time trying to change it.
this really annoys me..
I dont think the world has gotten any worse.. bad things happen all the time as well as countless goodthings..
its all the same.
only reason the world looks its in a states is because global news tends to focus on the bad things..
I think we have to look at life like this. All things come to an end at some point. With most things in nature we can make a prediction but never know exactly what nature holds.With weather predictions sometimes it is a little off, sometimes it is pretty close. It is hard to predict exactly what is going to happen because we can't. We have absolutely no control over it.
So what you should think about is if you look at the weather forecast for the next day, are you going to bring a raincoat? Or risk becoming ill because there was only a chance of showers that day?
Everybody always takes it as a given that the world is going to end, even if they don't belong to one of the religions that predicted it. The only thing they question is when, not if. Why? The writings are always cryptic, full of metaphors and symbols. The average person commonly gets confused by them and has no idea what they mean until some "authority" comes along and tells them. What if they are wrong?
If you must believe that the writing are valid to begin with, why not take it a different way. A warning of what might be if we do not change it. The more people that join in an effort to make the world a better place, rather than giving up on it, the closer we will come to that reality.
The future is not written, so make it a good one.
Vieuwing 2012 scientificly they say that earth will come in a very unusual alignment with the milky way galaxy. earth will reach some sort of central point in the milky way. Scientist have already discovered that the last 26 years there weird energys coming from out of space on this earth.
In de bible they speak of an apocalyptic ryder. And he will com with eleven destructive powers.
He will destroy the evil. But before he comes there is a time given to humanity to correct themselves, the ressurection time. for all of you to have your second birth, which is the true Kundalini awakening. which feels as a cool breeze on top of your head. It is the Holy Ghost. The earth is already moving towards higher frequenty rates but most humans can't feel this. Almost everybody feels nothing of the spiritual changes in the world.
Whe are nearing an end of a great great cycle. Atlantis was destroyed at the end of an great cycle, Imagine what the end of a great great cycle will be like
Quote from: astraluminated on September 16, 2006, 03:47:03
Vieuwing 2012 scientificly they say that earth will come in a very unusual alignment with the milky way galaxy. earth will reach some sort of central point in the milky way. Scientist have already discovered that the last 26 years there weird energys coming from out of space on this earth.
please provide a link supporting your views.
Well here is one,
http://alignment2012.com/whatisGA.htm
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_2012_03.htm
I don't think cnn tell this kind of stuff to the public. Whe all know that iff this was told by the governments to the public, it would be a bit of a chaos wouldn't it.
Nobody knows exactly when or where Atlantis was, so how can you say it was related to any cycle?
I have heard many predictions of disaster based on astronomical alignments. They always say it is different this time. None have ever come true.
because atlantis was destroyed at the end of such a cycle, and they say atlantis was a continent in the atlantic ocean. they even found some weird peramids on the bottom of the sea.
Who is "they"? Do you have a link to the documentation on this?
QuoteSince 1987, the vibratory rate (Earth's 'Schumann Resonance frequency' of 7.83 Hz) has been on the rise after a very long period of stability, and it's heading for a multidimensional PEAK around 2012. (14 Hz peak) The Mayan calendar, with it's most incredible accuracy, pin points 2012 as the end of a grand cycle of energy for Humans and ALL life in this dimension. The veil lifts between our world and "their" world by 2012. Human DNA is RE-evolving back into it's original form against the will of those in power. Other ETs who live amongst us right now are also mixing their DNA into our own to resist this shift in paradigm as they fear losing control of Humans in general.
Found this.
So we're becoming cavemen again? Fantastic. :|
I'm adopting a "wait and see" attitude on 2012. In other words, I'll keep an eye on things but I won't freak out about it and I won't totally ignore it.
I meant original form as in two different types of beings who combined their DNA to create Humans, basically as slaves. They were the 'Anunnaki' and the 'Ancient Ones'.
So, I guess we're going back to how we originally were, not cavemen. I don't see how we're different now though than then. Unless they think we've interbred with many aliens, not we're all mixed up.
I don't even believe this anyway, just posting for those who may. I think some of it seems believable, but alot isn't.
I remember when that book came out: 88 reasons the world will end in 1988, we came into class and the teachers had all written "WORLD ENDS TODAY: 2pm" on their blackboards.
And then, right before two, the time the book said the world was supposed to end, they called a fire drill and marched us out into the school yard. We all stood around in the field looking up at the sky.
Then, when we weren't all exploded in a big fire ball, the teachers lead us back into class.
It was a Christian school, but I think they were half joking.
Quote from: the_earth_inherit on September 24, 2006, 07:26:52
I remember when that book came out: 88 reasons the world will end in 1988, we came into class and the teachers had all written "WORLD ENDS TODAY: 2pm" on their blackboards.
And then, right before two, the time the book said the world was supposed to end, they called a fire drill and marched us out into the school yard. We all stood around in the field looking up at the sky.
Then, when we weren't all exploded in a big fire ball, the teachers lead us back into class.
It was a Christian school, but I think they were half joking.
Hah.
I remember that, but the reasons weren't as solid as the ones for 2012...
Heh, this is pretty funny :lol:.
The world wouldn't just cease to exist after 4 and a half billion years of existence :roll:, it's just so funny how people don't "want" this to happen, however they talk like they do want it to happen... strange?
The real fact is:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ea/Sun_Life.png)
Yes... we are just halfway there, so no DNA-destroying bacteria's or big-bangs anytime soon :)
LOL! We still talking about 2012? According to Sylvia Brown we should have Alien contact by 2010... Do you think it's them that kills us off? :lol:
...Sarah or whatever didnt really read your name sorry lol. But the reason I say 100 years is just because of the way we treat our planet and all the third world countries... Korea *cough* that are getting weapons that can destroy our planet. And when I said that I used to believe demons would end us you didnt have to be a jerk about it I was already trying to poke around the point that I had grown up.
Hi Cory
I would wager that every generation thinks the world won't last the next 100 years. Can you imagine what it was like when the plague was rife? We lost a ridiculous amount of human life during that episode - the ones who survived must have thought it was the end.
We do treat our planet very shoddily, I agree. However, our planet has a habit of slapping us in the face every so often and reminding us who is boss. :-)
I think it's very hard to imagine the world in 100 years time, let alone 1000 years. That's one of the reasons we find it easier to think it/we won't survive. Just my opinion. I personally think we'll go on and on like some "common cold virus" that Mother Earth can't shift. Poor thing.
I apologise if I offended you with my growing up comment - I was simply adding a little humour to the post - I do it a lot. The smiley face at the end of the sentence was a giveaway that I wasn't being offensive - at least I hope it didn't appear that way to most people. Any offence was totally unintentional.
Sarah
For starters the Mayan calendar actually ends October 28th 2011. Not 2012.
To begin with, the process relates to an evolution in consciousness.
To say that the Mayan calendar is just another minority prophercising the end of the world is useless. If you read into heavily into the issue it will be certain that whether you agree with it or not, it's simply something that cannot be ignored.
Too many points in history have occured as calculated with the calender to be regarded as coincidence. In history, the movement of fish to land, monkeys. The introduction of the concept of family. That is a big revolution in consciousness. Then concepts of tribes, then culture, then a nation. Egypt was the first nation. Then such revolutionary figures in human history, Jesus Einstein. They all coincide with periods of time in the Mayan calendar where a shift in consciousness is to occur. The thing to notice is regardless of the Mayan calendar, there has been an undeniable acceleration in the evolution of consciousness.
We are said to be currently in the second last stage of evolution. "Galactic cycle". The Mayan's just plotted the shifts in consciouness they had no need for oppinions on the topic because it was their realilty as our sky is blue. I have heard that we are in a stage of ethics. Starting 24th November 2006 until 18th November 2007, we are supposed to see a great increase in unrest about the abuse of power. Most noticeably aimed at governments and maybe/perhaps some natural disasters. The next and final stage before the calendar ends is known as "co-creation". If you have been monitoring quantam physics it's easy to see the foundation that is being layed.
It is not the end of the world, it's the end of the world as we know it. It was once common sense that the world was flat. That the earth was the centre of the universe. The way these people knew the world ended. The worlds not going to explode so relax.
The Mayan civilization was the inventor of our calendar as well. It was precise to 8 seconds. They only used it for tax purposes though. Then we adopted it.
For those of you with a high speed internet connection I recommend watching these lectures. They are about 2 hours each but you'll have a deeper understanding of the Mayan conundrum and 2011. If you find it boring don't watch it. There are three parts. Enjoy.
Part 1:
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6681910439634411366&q=%22secrets+of+the+mayan+calendar%22
Part 2:
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=556117542011883927&q=%22secrets+of+the+mayan+calendar%22
Part 3:
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-3348185130449329723&q=%22secrets+of+the+mayan+calendar%22
-Awakened_Mind
Quote from: Awakened_Mind on September 27, 2006, 14:01:36
it was their realilty as our sky is blue
Hi Awakened Mind
I seriously don't want to nitpick. Your post is intelligent and warrants investigation. However the above comment is rather telling as to how we, as humans, assume/presume/come to conclusions about things.
The sky is blue.
The sky is many many different colours of the spectrum and can be called no one such colour. I've seen it grey, white, purple, red, orange etc etc etc.
I'm not trying to knock your post (honestly), but I thought it was interesting that you used the colour of the sky as an example of what was reality. Surely you realise that reality for one person is a different reality for another. How about I ring a friend in Australia and tell them how beautiful the sun in the sky is outside. They look outside and see the moon. Do they suppose that the moon is the sun? I'm being playful here, but I trust you understanding my meaning.
:-) :-) :-) :-) I'm hoping these smileys mean you won't take offence.
However, I am only part being humorous - there is a serious side to it.
Sarah
And I can't believe I'm getting involved in a 2012 thread...
(this should make Nay laugh!) :-D
Sarah
LOL.. yeah, I did chuckle! I'll give you a Karma. :-D
Quote from: TalaNay on September 27, 2006, 15:29:19
I'll give you a Karma. :-D
Thank you - and have one yourself!
Sarah
No offence taken.
There is an old Zen teaching. It starts with a man pointing to the nights sky with his student next to him. The student asks "What are you pointing at?" To which the man replies "Do not focus on the finger, or you will miss the glory above." Basically I'm trying to get a point across. Don't stare at the finger (it was their realilty as our sky is blue). I just don't want people, whether the 2011 theory is correct or not to go into a panick of fear. I was trying to explaing there will be no end of the world. Just a significant change enough to be called the end of the world. A new age of thinking, which is inevitable.
Personally, I never find it as easy to understand something as I do to questions someones meaning. Humans can find away to debate things, or understand them.
-Awakened_Mind
Why is it that people think that someone who lived thousands of years ago knew more about what is ahead of us than we do? They used to think the sun went around the earth. We know that is wrong. Why should we believe a Mayan calendar has any significance? It was put together using a faulty model of the solar system. We have already been through this when our own calendar hit a significant event. Other than a few minor computer bugs, nothing happened.
The only historical mention of Atlantis was by Plato and he said it was 9000 years before him. He was just a man, people get stories and facts confused all the time. There are no other historical records than mention it and it has never been found nor has it's existence been proved. How can anyone say it ended on any particular cycle when we don't know when, where or if it was destroyed?
Quote from: Sentinal on September 28, 2006, 19:31:14
Why is it that people think that someone who lived thousands of years ago knew more about what is ahead of us than we do? They used to think the sun went around the earth. We know that is wrong. Why should we believe a Mayan calendar has any significance? It was put together using a faulty model of the solar system. We have already been through this when our own calendar hit a significant event. Other than a few minor computer bugs, nothing happened.
The only historical mention of Atlantis was by Plato and he said it was 9000 years before him. He was just a man, people get stories and facts confused all the time. There are no other historical records than mention it and it has never been found nor has it's existence been proved. How can anyone say it ended on any particular cycle when we don't know when, where or if it was destroyed?
As I mentioned earlier the Mayans developed our calendar to within 8 seconds. That is the most precise any civilisation has come. As also mentioned they only used it for tax purposes. The Mayan calendar never said anything about the world being flat or the millenium bug. These are facts. They actually used more than one calendar.
"It was put together using a faulty model of the solar system." <--- Are you serious? Science actually applauds the level of precision the Mayans were able to attain. They were calculating the movements of our GALAXY not just our solar system.
What baffles archaelogists the most like Ian says in the lectures is "what the hell small little indian men making pots in the bush were doing with numbers as large as 16.4 billion."
IMO, the most accurate calendar designed from a whole civilisation that were "experts" in the area, is the most credible. Regardless of time. As for whether the world is going to "end" or experience significant change I definately understand your skepticism. I am the same. The theories of the world ending were created by us, not the Mayans. The just created the timeline. We'll see what happens over the next few years. Time answers all questions.
I have nothing on Atlantis, never read into it.
-Awakened_Mind
Quote from: Awakened_Mind on September 29, 2006, 00:13:47
What baffles archaelogists the most like Ian says in the lectures is "what the hell small little indian men making pots in the bush were doing with numbers as large as 16.4 billion."
I bet they were eating the local psychedelics and wanted to pass the time.
:wink:
Maybe the Mayan responsible for writing the calendars said screw this, I won't be alive then anyway, and just stopped making them at 2012.
:) Just kidding, the Mayans were incredibly smart, 2012 must be something huge, or at least they thought so.
Them being smarter gave them a large advantage, but they didn't have the technology we have today, and we still don't know exactly what will happen.
Whatever will happen, there's not much we can do about it, so we should just be better people, live our lives normally until then, and try not to get anyone upset or scared because of this.
well i don't know why do you even bother with this. first : it's way in the future why don't you try living in the present you might like it :-D. second: you don't know what will happen and can't make a difference really so why waste your mind on such things. just a thought :-D
Hello,
Quote from: Woah on October 01, 2006, 20:41:47
Maybe the Mayan responsible for writing the calendars said screw this, I won't be alive then anyway, and just stopped making them at 2012.
:) Just kidding, the Mayans were incredibly smart, 2012 must be something huge, or at least they thought so.
Them being smarter gave them a large advantage, but they didn't have the technology we have today, and we still don't know exactly what will happen.
Whatever will happen, there's not much we can do about it, so we should just be better people, live our lives normally until then, and try not to get anyone upset or scared because of this.
The Mayan calendars are incredible feats of math that cannot even be replicated today. And above all they have proved to be accurate to the second.
Best regards,
Adrian.
This change in consciousness is clear in todays world. Quantum physics is already steering towards that direction. There will be a revolution in consciousness in our lifetimes. Regardless of whether the Mayans are correct about timing or not. Seeings how as Adrian said, they have been so accurate in the past I am left with no other option in which to steer my viewpoint
-AM
Quote from: Adrian on October 02, 2006, 18:46:40
Hello,
The Mayan calendars are incredible feats of math that cannot even be replicated today. And above all they have proved to be accurate to the second.
Best regards,
Adrian.
According to the information that I found at www.divinecosmos.com (http://www.divinecosmos.com), it is possible the calendars were developed in part or in full by entities who call themselves Ra.
Ra as in Ra the Egyptian God. This information was channeled around 1981 and was published in a book called "Ra: The Law Of One" and the book is available on the website for free.
Anyway, this book talks about who Ra is, where Ra originates from, how they reached Earth, why they decided to help the Egyptians out, why the left the Egyptians alone to work with the South Americans (the Mayans) and their contribution to the Atlantean civilization and why it went down under...
I personally feel that part of the info in the book is not accurate due to the channeling technique that was used.
Hello Psionic,
Yes I am aware of the Ra materials.
I am personally extremely wary of any channeled material; there is no way of verifying who the communicators really are.
Considering many channelings are "imposters"; i.e. lower Astral beings desperate to communicate with humans, and appearing as anyone they need to be to do that, it is necessary to be extremely cautious.
That said, communications from genuinely evolved Beings are unmistakable for what they are; and there are same important ones.
I suppose the most famous channeler of Egyptian Beings was Aleister Crowley, and look where that led :) He thought he was a chosen one on a mission as well. These communicators generally trick the medium into believing they are chosen ones of some type.
You also need to look to see whether these organisations are sort of cult-like in any way.
The best, physical, tangible evidence we are receiving today are crop circles. They are real, you can visit them, walk around in them, see they cannot possibly be of terrestrial origin, especially since some of these extremely large and complex structures appear within 25 seconds in broad daylight, and they do contain messages, increasingly based around the Mayan calandars.
All we need to do now is decode it all.
Best regards,
Adrian.
Quote from: TalaNay on September 26, 2006, 17:18:59
LOL! We still talking about 2012? According to Sylvia Brown we should have Alien contact by 2010... Do you think it's them that kills us off? :lol:
IF there are sentient species out there and IF they contact us, who's to say that they wouldn't want humans to worship them as gods? Should a sentient being worship another sentient being?
Re-evaluate the meaning of 'the end of the world'. People dont have long enough attention spans to know the end of the world if it was happening all around them. If it cant be reported (in total) in a 30 minute broadcast then to them the end of the world didnt happen. To me the end of the world has already happened, it started some time between now and 300ad, and is DEFINATLY in effect now, if you had looked at the term 'end of the world' and said the world being flipped on its butt, then the end has already come. That being said I do believe something is coming, the Mayans and Aztecs were very precise and mystical people, their other predictions came true and I think this one will too. If we will even see or recognize the event is another question. The end has happened, the only thing left is a total change in global thought, this may mean massive destruction so the world and it's people will be reborn to the original pure state. Judging by how difficult it is nowdays to be saved and how off society is from the true path, something has to give in order to re-establish the perpose of the physical world.
Not to mention, I dont know about you but I've noticed a major stirring of the energies, every block seems to have a haunted house. I think the strangest thing happening nowdays is terrorists creating dark energy without gaining anything material. Think about it, when has that happened EVER. When has an organization blown up a playground full of children for no gain, in all of recorded history? It's not a physical war thats raging across the globe, it's a spiritual one. To me, this is the end of the world, if there is an apocalypse in the annihilation sense of the word, it will be a victory for Light, so do not fear.
I watched a show on Discovery channel about prophesy they mentioned the Mayans... And its amazing how accurate the Mayans have been with all of there predictions!!!!
As for the end of the era prediction, is it a coincidence that several cultures scattered around the world predicted the exact same date? And that date is the date the earth crosses over centre of the galaxy (something only happens every 16,000 years or something)??
I dont think the world will end, i believe the theories about it been a new era, a new cycle, maybe something bad will happen (regardless of 2012 if you look at global politics right now and global warming). Maybe the next step will be meetin life forms from other planets? who will help us spiritually? Maybe the bible is partly correct maybe jesus will return to educate us from our currently spiritually ignorant materialistic ways.
Who knows, but i dont think the world will be destroyed on the exact date, altho scientists say its possible a polar shift could happen (so the north and south pole shift) They just dont know if it will happen, but if it does... Bad times
Anyway enjoy your live develop spiritually dont let people bash on your beliefs, especially ignorant people, there just not worth it.
then there is this site: http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm/home.htm
By: Patrick Geryl
(I posted this also in another thread BTW)
So America and Europe have a very low chance of surviving the pole shift. This is the place where most people will be reading this from, and this information is provided with a slight nudge in the direction of investing in their South African property.
How convenient.
whats going to happen is that our planet's grid is going to be realigned to the correct way. the end. :) also accompanied by much turmoil and chaos. of course someone will emerge to offer hope, and then most everyone will be ok. except the greedy people who are transfixed with material gain. :D all i can say is to hope for the best and enjoy the ride. it should be interesting.
I am interested in seeing what will happen and wish to take part of this event.
However not everything may happen on a particular date. The spiritual world is as thriving as the physical world if not more. Events are unfolding all the time. So major ones may occur as it leads up to the 2012 awakening.
Well 'something' sure is going to happen. After watching this Documentary http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173
I am firm in my belief that sh*t is going to hit the fan in the next 5 years. And....it doesn't look like an easy transition....not one bit.
I think the whole 2012 is a lot more than just economics. The revealing of lies will play a role. The species is beginning to wake up and become conscious of the world around it. Many things will have to change for this to happen. So whether 2012 is the end of the world. It is really seeming to be the bottleneck of our civilisation. Where we strip down to what is necessary and all that doesn't fit is discarded. Money really doesn't do much at the moment but separate us. So it will probably be in need of a change.
I hope we are looking toward a unified future, it sought of makes all the sacrifices of those before us pointless otherwise. What else are we yearning for?
-AM
This whole experience will be very enlightening. The human race and even the planet we reside on are awakening more and more. This will definitely be a change worth remembering. I honestly am very excited.
-Andrew
I think that if the world does end, then nature is doing its job. I personally think that the world we live in is a mess.
If we can fix this mess, than maybe nature won't have to take us out, just like the dinosaurs.
Its up to us!
...But If 2012 does mark the end of the phisical universe, then that could be good too. Not sure which side I favor. If I knew for certain that we would transend to a knew experience, then I'd choose to end this, I just don't want all we have learned to waste.
2012 - the start of something better.
Cavernstoy
I heard once (I don't remember where) that in the coming years there will be 2 types of people: The ones that choose to see hate, evil, & chaos in the world, and the ones that will choose to recognize nature, truth, & beauty in the world. Not that the previous is ignored, but that the latter is recognized.
I already know who most of the key characters are. You're pretty spot on as to our future, and I did notice the changes. :) I am changing with it.
Quote from: morning_star on October 06, 2007, 01:04:46
I already know who most of the key characters are. You're pretty spot on as to our future, and I did notice the changes. :) I am changing with it.
Explain please. I am curious to who these
key characters are. If you don't want to put it in the open forum then a PM will do. :) I will not 'say anything' if that is required.
Quote from: Old Dood on October 21, 2007, 08:59:05
Explain please. I am curious to who these key characters are. If you don't want to put it in the open forum then a PM will do. :) I will not 'say anything' if that is required.
I second Old Dood. I am rather curious.
I'm actually not allowed to say WHO, even though I do say that I know. I'm still not sure why I'm not allowed to say anything, but I'm going to trust them for now until I find out for myself. Suffice it to say that they know who they are(I am one of them) and that they are almost finished with their training. Personally, my training is almost complete(I've been undergoing involuntary training since the age of 5) and I hope by then I'll not only be able to unconditionally love the KKK and Muslim Radicals but I'll also have the psi training to save their asses...if that's my job. That part is also unclear to me. It is revealed to me in bits and pieces by many different people and circumstances. But there is always hope. Don't forget it. I wouldn't be doing my job if I let you all forget that :) Let's just say that my aura's only colors are gold and silver, with some hints of white. :)
Hi morning_star
Have you measured the size of your ego recently?
:-D
Sarah
I do it often so I know when I get out of control. I'm not being arrogant. I'm just acknowledging the existance of the concept of more responsibility in a different area. The concept you enjoy believing is that we are all equal, therefore, none of us have a destiny that might be deemed important by the average person. This same concept denies the existence of Jesus and the Dalai Lama. :) You seem to be bothered by what I see, and therefore you attempt to take me down a notch because you feel inferior. It is not my fault you don't realize the importance of your own tasks on earth and that you don't realize your own worth. Don't take it out on me because you feel that you are less than me. I don't feel this way. If I did, I wouldn't care enough about you all to try to help you. I'd feel like I was better and that you weren't worth the trouble it takes to fulfill my duties.
Quote from: morning_star on October 23, 2007, 23:11:55
The concept you enjoy believing is that we are all equal, therefore, none of us have a destiny that might be deemed important by the average person.
Nope, you're wrong.
I'm fine about 'average people' believing that another person is important. The thing that made me respond was more to do with when that particular 'jesus' or 'dalai lama' claim to be important. Maybe they are, but generally speaking genuine compassionate important people don't laud their importance about.
If the Internet was around when Jesus walked the earth, do you really think he'd be posting things like 'the end of the world won't happen until my training is finished' and telling us what wonderful colours his aura is??
That was more my point.
You must appreciate we get numerous 'important' people on this site claiming all sorts of things - a few years ago we had someone who threatened to kill all the mods on a certain day, through his power alone.
I mean, come on, you don't expect us to drop everything and lap up what you are telling us.
And you are bound to get jokey comments when you purport the things you do. Get used to it :wink: (It might just be part of your training - and that wasn't said in jest, it might be true.)
Sarah
I agree with Sarah.
She makes a valid point. Also, maybe some of this training of morning_star should be on 'Humor'. ;)
Life is not THAT serious...No matter what...having fun is a big part of living.
Well said.
-AM
I also think that the healthiest attitude towards the whole "2012 matter" is just: wait & see & stay a little sceptical. People who are completely sure that they are right about the future sound to me like those Christian fanatics, but in a slightly different way. :P
Quote from: morning_star on October 23, 2007, 23:11:55
I do it often so I know when I get out of control. I'm not being arrogant. I'm just acknowledging the existance of the concept of more responsibility in a different area. The concept you enjoy believing is that we are all equal, therefore, none of us have a destiny that might be deemed important by the average person. This same concept denies the existence of Jesus and the Dalai Lama. :) You seem to be bothered by what I see, and therefore you attempt to take me down a notch because you feel inferior. It is not my fault you don't realize the importance of your own tasks on earth and that you don't realize your own worth. Don't take it out on me because you feel that you are less than me. I don't feel this way. If I did, I wouldn't care enough about you all to try to help you. I'd feel like I was better and that you weren't worth the trouble it takes to fulfill my duties.
Hi,
Seriously calm your ego. A person who says he has some kind of high duties but doesn't tell which ones they are is ego driven and his duties are blown out of proportion.
If you had any you wouldn't try to brag about it.
Tell me, how will you help me?
Everything that is happening on 2012 or 2011 for that matter is happening right now. It's just hard to see it now (with a highly filtered awareness), because the physical realm is slow to manifest, throw in the constant changing of choices and most believe the fruits of their labors were not readily seen by the limited perception of reality, thus one abandons the cause...being that manifestation of planetary change is equally dependent upon the world consciousness as a whole, and the individual consciousness of every single one human involved in this planet, there is a relative meaning to the intertwined opposites of evolution; The individual evolution and the Human Race evolution. Because evolution is always changing/moving, choices and actions change "end" or "future" results. The future and past are relative terms, the present is the third force, our reality. The present is what brings balance to the two opposites of the time/space continuum.
So therefore we are creating the date 12/21/2012 and/or 10/28/2011, that specific time right now, however, the key is, it is created now only in fragments. These fragments will eventually manifest to become the end result of many cycles coming to an "end" or for better choice of words, a "product" or the "fruit" of your deeds. "The End" doesn't mean that the cycle of Life will cease...cycles may come to an end, but Life never ends.
It's one thing to go about ones Life in a "normal" routine, only sub-consciously being aware of these cycles and laws, causes and effects, it however another for one to go about Life "naturally" being aware of these cycles and laws; experiencing true evolutionary growth by living in accordance, or for better choice of words; "in the flow" with universal Law. Our growth as an individual is dependant on our ability to become consciously aware of our true-self, and our Spiritual purpose in life (which can be found in the Divine Pattern). Our growth as a whole planet depends on each and every single persons growth, so this doesn't mean one must give up (in thinking ones fate is dependent upon others), what this means is that we all are on our own personal evolutionary journey and your fate is your fate, however you interpret or define the word "fate", we just happen to be sharing and experiencing it with many other peoples which are also fragments of our self, this experience, intertwining and creating together what we know as group conscious experience. Without one another, we would not have anyone to show how wonderful persons we can be, or how bad...we would not know of our polar opposites, and how the bringing together of the two equal a third force, which brings balance of the two.
Everything that is happening in "your world" is happening because of your individual choices made now, everything happening in "the world" is happening because of our divided and undivided choices that ultimately effect the whole. Individual choice is yours to make, unless you give it away to others, thus being of the many who meet an unfulfilled end to their lifetime experience on this planet, all because they gave their one true freedom away, to know and experience truth for your self. The choice here is individual, the 'end of the world' just happens to be a choice thought of by a large number, and can (however you conceive the thought), be or not be your own thought. However, the thought exists because it has been created. It's how you perceive this thought from all angles of the spectrum, and how you interpret it's meaning, which can be put into words; asking yourself THE BIG QUESTIONS and finding the right answers.
Therefore, the reliance on "saving the world" from a "2012 End" would be more dependent on each individual self, not others. Although others play a "role" in your individualized growth, (i.e.-- Jesus and the 12 Disciples). Think about it, you can't help others if you have yet to help yourself (remove the needle from your own eye).
If you take into account what is known as "history", one can of course notice the effects of those who reached Mastery (i.e.— Jesus, The Buddha, Krishna) who left such an impression on the world, the effect has been and is being, and will be felt on a planetary level. However, the truth of the experiences of our known Masters have been translated and faintly reproduced through many other persons limited perception of awareness, that what we have now (as testimony) is a dire attempt to explain the unexplainable in what truly occurred in those few who attained Mastery. A ripple in the time/space continuum that was most felt at the center, and less felt the further from the center from which it came, thus the further the ripple travels across the time/space continuum, the less felt it becomes.
As mentioned at the beginning of this message, we are creating 12/21/2012 and any other future date in fragments right now, upon which flow in cycles through the infinite reality of Life. We are creating the future now, and changing it with every decision of thought, word, and action that is made manifest. Our "time" is now, utilize it.
Peace,
Jeffrey