Nibiru proof

[schockstuhh]

Yeah if there really is aliens coming to take us away. How do you actually know its to enslave us?

What if something is going to kill us all on the earth soon and they want to save us?

There is lots of possibilities, I'm just wondering why you strongly believe they want to enslave us.

I agreee. I don't necessarily believe that Nibiru is real or not, but I can't wait till the day it is discovered to be real lol. I think that if aliens had superior technology, they would have had to start from scratch, much like humans did. We humans have almost abolished slavery from the entire planet with i'm sure a few exceptions that are unknown to me, so if the aliens were much more advanced than us, I'm sure slavery wouldn't be apart of their agenda.

[personalreality]

I'm reading a book right now that goes in line with all this.

"Genes, Giants, Monsters & Men" by Joseph P. Farrell


Probably one of the best books I've read on Ancient Aliens in a while.  I got really lazy and read a lot of Von Daniken lately, which isn't bad, but Daniken spits out these books like humping rabbits make babies.  So there is a lot of redundant information.

While I was familiar with most of the concepts in Genes, Giants, Monsters & Men, it was a very refreshing read and introduced new elements that you just don't see in Ancient Astronaut/High Ancient Civilization too often (except for maybe Childress).  A very good read indeed.  It's even got elements of conspiracy! YAY!  lol.

[Karas]

Yeah if there really is aliens coming to take us away. How do you actually know its to enslave us?

What if something is going to kill us all on the earth soon and they want to save us?

There is lots of possibilities, I'm just wondering why you strongly believe they want to enslave us.

I know this one pick me pick me!
It's all to do with the religions we have that always ends up with a hero saving the day and taking it's people to "heaven". Bearers of false gifts (religus texts) and broken promises (heaven) plus the oldest creation text I know of is the sumarians and that story is about us being gold miners, hence we are being enslaved right now so to me there's proof. Also before I got into all this I kept seeing docomentrys and talks about the earth being distroyed in 2012 and this was in the open media which doesn't make sence why they would put stuff like that on our tv. They want us to think that the earth will be distroyed and this is a good opportunity to take advanaged of the humans. And of cause the earth is causing alot of chaos so they have the advanaged to put on a show for us ^^
humans fear death and would do anything to stay alive which is another advanaged they have.

[personalreality]

The implication of the Sumerian "creation myth tablets" (which you are referring too), is that we were genetically engineered hybrids, created by the gods (Annunaki - "Those who from heaven to earth came") as a labor force.  This may have actually happened multiple times over the course of hundreds of thousands, if not millions of years, with different "hybrid species" being created (thus the different ages of humanities, common to the indigenous tribes of the Americas and a host of other "indigenous religions" around the world). 

There are all kinds of stories about the work force(s) rebelling, about mutiny among the "gods" (ets), war among the gods, global catastrophes, etc., which resulted in the ets leaving, yet promising to return at some point.  There is also the implication that perhaps some of these "gods" remained here on earth and taught the most recent group of humanity (post-deluge) the tools that were required for sophisticated civilization.  The Sumerian King's List implies an antediluvian high ancient civilization (with the reign of the kings going back some 250,000 years prior to the flood) that may indeed have spanned the globe. 

Then there are the more recent discoveries attributed to the likes of people like Richard C. Hoagland (whose methods sometimes seem to stretch the facts to fit theories - nevertheless, there are valid points made) that speaks to the artificiality of certain celestial bodies in our solar system (Saturn's moon Iapetus and Mars' moon Phobos) as well as artificial structures on both the moon and mars.  So if this high civilization did exist (which I believe they did), then they may have been natives who achieved mastery of space flight far beyond our capabilities, or they may have been non-earth-natives who came here for a reason.

Whatever the case may be, there is a great deal of strong evidence (including hard archaeological facts like engineered artifacts found in strata that dates to hundreds of thousands to millions of years old - check out authors Cremo and Thompson) suggesting that advanced civilizations existed on earth long before our present age.  Whether they are from here or not remains to be shown conclusively, yet when the ancient "religious texts/myths" are considered, this high civilization does seem to have "come from the stars". 

If we were indeed engineered by them, then they may still have a significant interest in us, either as a "pet project" (coming to see how we've progressed) or as a property created by them that they want to reclaim.  There may still be an element of these ancients present among us right now, subtly moving the course of human history to their own ends (be they for better or worse).  You've also got the other end of this game, which is people like Icke and claims of an et/interdimensional elite that is very much here and very much interested in controlling us for their own gain.  Who knows.  But if you look, there is plenty of evidence to suggest that they were here, we did have interaction with them and they do have reason to be interested in us still.

[Summerlander]

The aliens are already here, they are your government and they have been enslaving humans since thousands of years ago when they first arrived. They are on another plane of existance, the 4th, which is close enough to the 3rd to interfere with human life. They interbreeded aeons ago with humans to create hybrids, the Nephilim, which ranges from Royalty to politicians. And the only reason man "sucks as a species" is because their influence and vibrational mind control has caused them to do so. They want you to know very little of anything. They don't want you believing in things that were once taken for granted by man, things that would be considered supernatural now. The more mankind thinks of itself as a spiritless piece of meat, the more control they have. And they feed on fear, they are vampires. They suck low vibrational energy from man to survive which is why they organise terrorism and disasters worldwide. This, along with actual blood that they drink during Satanic rituals in private amongst famous world leaders.

Don't you think you are being a little paranoid?  There is no such thing taking place out there.  These are all baseless conspiracy theories.  You are also mixing alien visitors with religion, which is very much a human fabrication.  People also believe that the universe works in mysterious ways...it's called superstition!  Do you know where that comes from?  It comes from a time when people knew less about reality and the exaltation of certain gurus who dealt in the occult was common.  There is nothing out there planning to enslave us.  Let 2012 come.  You'll see.  The most significant thing that might happen is a terrorist attack at the Olympics as a retaliation for the killing of Bin Laden and his family.

[personalreality]

I'm not saying anything is happening or that the aliens are coming back in 2012 or whatever, but you have to separate out the BS from the legitimate research.  there is good research regarding anomalies in archaeology.  and humans turned what was most likely world history into religion (whether we were guided to do so by someone else or not is ultimately irrelevant).  that put a filter on the way modern scientists perceive the past (especially the christian world and ideas about prehistory).  that filter teaches us that we are the most advanced thing that has existed on this earth, and so the stories of our ancestors can't be anything more than prehistoric science fiction.  i believe that to be very presumptive of us, conceited even.  i know we're pretty cool and all, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of advanced ancient civilizations. 

as for their extraterrestrial origins?  who knows?  i don't.  i've never met one of these guys and the beings i've met OOB have never claimed to be of extraterrestrial/interdimensional origin (then again, then enemy wouldn't out himself to me would he?! lol...).

anyway, i do think that there is a "conspiracy" of sorts, but that doesn't have to mean aliens and lizard people and whatnot.  it simply means that certain groups that have the capability to do so, are conspiring against the masses for their own purposes.  much of that is done through religion and politics.  part of it may be keeping knowledge of "other/ancient worlds" and "advanced technologies" hidden by any means necessary (even so far as one report that the US government took a bunch of anomalous artifacts and sunk them in a ship so no one could find them and the status quo -i.e. theory of evolution - wouldn't be disrupted). 

it would do one good to avoid the extremes in these situations.  the complete deniers and the total accepters.  you're both shutting yourself off from possibility and personal development.

[Summerlander]

i believe that to be very presumptive of us, conceited even.  i know we're pretty cool and all, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of advanced ancient civilizations.

Conceited???  Not at all!!  I think the possibility that a lot of our technology today may have evolved from crashed UFO retrievals is feasible, but...a conspiracy by aliens to enslave mankind...hmmm...

We can't deny the possibility of other more advanced civilisations having existed on Earth.  If there were, they must've left this world because, if they were so advanced, it makes no sense that they were naturally wiped out.  It's ridiculous.

As for us, I think we, as a race, deserve a lot of credit for our technological development!  Look at how much things changed in the last couple of centuries.

[personalreality]

Conceited???  Not at all!!  I think the possibility that a lot of our technology today may have evolved from crashed UFO retrievals is feasible, but...a conspiracy by aliens to enslave mankind...hmmm...

We can't deny the possibility of other more advanced civilisations having existed on Earth.  If there were, they must've left this world because, if they were so advanced, it makes no sense that they were naturally wiped out.  It's ridiculous.

As for us, I think we, as a race, deserve a lot of credit for our technological development!  Look at how much things changed in the last couple of centuries.

no no, i'm saying it's conceited to think that we're the best thing on the planet and allow that to keep us from considering the possibility that another advanced civilization may have existed on this planet in the distant past.  not that we get all of our tech from aliens or something like that.  i'm also no opposed to the idea of reverse engineered tech, but it seems like once we reached a certain point in development (especially with electronics), our knowledge and it's resulting technology advanced exponentially and just keeps going.  maybe there is some threshold that we hit and whatnot.

i think an ancient civilization could have been wiped out.  nature is a powerful creature.  but they may well have left.  or maybe they're in agartha, lol!

[Summerlander]

Agartha...hmmm...it's as true as the urban legend that claims a duck's quack doesn't echo.   

[personalreality]

lol.

[Seeking ET]

How does an object the size of a planet (we don't know it's size... clearly not going to replace the sun) stay stationary as we observe it, then suddenly in 2012 come to life an start moving towards Earth?  An orbiting planet cannot stay on one side of the sun at all times.  It could be something ON the sun itself.  Jupiter revolves and is made up of moving gases.  But the great red spot hasn't moved in 300 years.  So we know that gas giants can sustain whether phenomenon in one area of the sphere for many centuries.  Maybe its a giant sun spot that could wreak havoc in 2012 if for some reason it moved to the other side of the sun.  But, whatever the unknown object, if it stays stationary, then it won't suddenly move in one year, and it probably isn't a planet.

[personalreality]

It could have been in such an orbit that would keep it perpetually on the other side of the sun from us - always out of view. 

or, the more fun explanation...

it's always been there and evidence of it has been suppressed until the "right time".

also, our solar system is a big place.  we like to think we know all of what's out there because of the fancy little animations they play on science programs and such.  but in reality, there is A LOT about our solar system that we know nothing about.  We really can't see that far unless something is really bright.  A great deal of stuff in our solar system isn't that bright and we can't see it.  Quite a lot of knowledge about our solar system is theory at best.  Even the physics of the macro can't explain it all, there are many anomalies in the calculations about how everything in our solar system interacts.  either we don't have the full equation, or we don't have all the pieces.  whatever the case, there are a great deal of unknowns in the near-by 'out-there'.