How many of y'all think planet X is really going to ram into earth?
Not I...
Maybe it will ram into earth...But instead Pass right through it!! Since those who cling to the belief went as far to say the planet's invisible now! :roll:
Nibiru,yeah it's all in the Sumerian tablets.I believe it. But I think the planet is far out in space at this time.
Quote from: astraladdict on December 24, 2010, 23:05:48
How many of y'all think planet X is really going to ram into earth?
Planet X was supposed to destroy the earth in 2003 and it never showed up. Are they starting up with that again?
if Nibiru is real, fine. if it aint, then o well. but to answer your question: no it wont slam into earth. the sumerian texts state that its orbit is between mars and jupiter. i repeat, due to information on the beginnings of the Nibiru myth/idea straight from the people who first started to call this "planet" Nibiru, say that it wont hit earth. If you want i can look up where in the Sumerian texts where it says that if you wish.
I remember the Niburu stuff starting in 1997. Zecharia Stichin and his ramblings set it off. Was supposed to come 1999; it missed its appointment. It was rescheduled for 2001, 2003, 2007 in succession, and was still truant. Some people (Sylivia Brown and others I think) immediately attached it to 2012 when it failed to come 2003. I would not bank on it, at this point- Niburu has a pretty bad track record with showing up on time... has difficulty holding a job, to be frank.
Hey guys...This info i am posting probally is not relevant but a few days ago i was rereading over an old post from here about Adam and eve and that led me to read about the location of eden which people believe is at the head of the tigiris and euphrates river which is where sumer was founded.
anyways i then started reading into sumer mythology and see if it has any correlation with believe of those aliens.
Not that i belive in it i was just bored.
along my random string of thoughts i came to research about the moon but i cant remember why. Anyways i found that it is belived that the moon was created by a planet called theia which was a mars like planet coming from the direction of mars clashing into earth as the young earth totally smashed it up and left the remains orbiting as our moon.
for note they named theia after the greek titan who gave birth to the moon godess.
it wouldn't hit earth either way. it's influence could have a lot of gravitational effects though.
the real question is, is it a planet or a spaceship!? a planet-sized ship, a generational ship. or just an odd planet.
It's a planet with a 3600 year orbit that's heated from it's own core and not our sun.
(http://www.freewebs.com/nibiruiscoming/Nibiru%27s%20Orbit.jpg)
Should be passing by earth in the next few years.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100703184029AAqDj4x
Planet X is not Nibiru.
QuoteShould be passing by earth in the next few years
But that is the thing, lol- it is always just a few years off... for more than 13 years now, lol.
The whole thing started with a mistranslation from Zecharia Stichin, who claimed to know much more about reading Sumerian script than he actually did.
Quote from: Fourthdimension on March 17, 2011, 12:26:41
Hey guys...This info i am posting probally is not relevant but a few days ago i was rereading over an old post from here about Adam and eve and that led me to read about the location of eden which people believe is at the head of the tigiris and euphrates river which is where sumer was founded.
in sumerian myth, in what is known as the Enuma Elish, adam is taken from the word adama meaning man and eden as the place the annunanki lived/landed.
<bored so i thought i might put that out there>
The gravitational effects of a planet that's about to come would have been discovered a long time ago. Logistically, none of it makes any sense.
Quote from: Aramar on March 18, 2011, 04:11:26
in sumerian myth, in what is known as the Enuma Elish, adam is taken from the word adama meaning man and eden as the place the annunanki lived/landed.
<bored so i thought i might put that out there>
Adama Kadmon
QuoteThe gravitational effects of a planet that's about to come would have been discovered a long time ago. Logistically, none of it makes any sense.
Definitely this.
Pluto was known about long before it was seen because of its influence on Neptune.
And Niburu is supposed to be hundreds of times the size of Pluto.
We can tell there are planets orbitting distant stars because of the gravitational effects, yet we can't find this massive object in our own solar system?
It's actually a lot more difficult to detect these kinds of orbiting bodies than you'd think. And there are many anomalies in our solar system. Not to mention, our equations for gravity aren't perfect. While Einstein and Newton helped explain a lot, there is still something missing that we don't understand. Bode's Law predicted (rightly) not just Neptune and Uranus, but also another Saturn-sized rocky body where the asteroid belt is. Perhaps the asteroid belt is the leftovers from an impact that ejected Nibiru into such an elongated orbit. Not saying that it's true, but it's possible.
Quote from: Stillwater on March 18, 2011, 13:07:19
Definitely this.
Pluto was known about long before it was seen because of its influence on Neptune.
And Niburu is supposed to be hundreds of times the size of Pluto.
We can tell there are planets orbitting distant stars because of the gravitational effects, yet we can't find this massive object in our own solar system?
You guys trust NASA? lol :lol:
Why not Trust NASA over anything said on the Internet? xD
NASA is run by a bunch of Nazis/Magicians/Masons. Read "Dark Mission" by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Barra. It's a good book with some really interesting connection made (though they are speculative - there is some good evidence). They know a lot more about our solar system than we think. And the moon landing totally happened. NASA spread the "hoax" story itself to distract people from what they REALLY found there. Ancient artificial structures anyone?
Quote from: personalreality on March 19, 2011, 09:31:57
NASA is run by a bunch of Nazis/Magicians/Masons. Read "Dark Mission" by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Barra. It's a good book with some really interesting connection made (though they are speculative - there is some good evidence). They know a lot more about our solar system than we think. And the moon landing totally happened. NASA spread the "hoax" story itself to distract people from what they REALLY found there. Ancient artificial structures anyone?
NASA is irrelevant, all the action goes on in the secret spaceprogram, there has been a human presence on the moon and Mars for 60 years. yeah there's structures on the moon, they were put in place by us.
*facepalms*
Quote from: personalreality on March 19, 2011, 09:31:57
NASA is run by a bunch of Nazis/Magicians/Masons. Read "Dark Mission" by Richard C. Hoagland and Mike Barra. It's a good book with some really interesting connection made (though they are speculative - there is some good evidence). They know a lot more about our solar system than we think. And the moon landing totally happened. NASA spread the "hoax" story itself to distract people from what they REALLY found there. Ancient artificial structures anyone?
Richard Hoagland is a FRAUD!!!!! He doesn't believe his own science. I know this.
http://irupert.com/mars/hoaxland.html
http://www.rense.com/ufo2/remedy.htm
Here's the truth about NASA and other things.
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/fire1.htm
"Truth"?
"truths" are very subjective. Theres many of "Truths" among philosophies different people prefer to live by. But "Facts" are different from "Truths"... I like to seperate them.. :-D
Quote from: Stookie on March 21, 2011, 11:21:38
Richard Hoagland is a FRAUD!!!!! He doesn't believe his own science. I know this.
I see what the PM was in response to now.
I was strictly bringing up the evidence he has put together about NASA's less than honest and honorable behavior, not his work on Mars or the Moon. Just NASA. The NASA stuff I believe. The people who started NASA were some of the most well known Nazi's (like Von Braun), Magicians (occultists - I forgot the guys name, but one of the founding JPL members was good buddies with Crowley and.......L RON!) and Masons (most of the Apollo crews were freemasons, a Mason ritual was even performed on Apollo 11 when they touched down on the moon). Plus, the alignment of dates (especially the Apollo program) really was in some crazy alignment with Egyptians myth. And, I'm really interested in the physics Hoagland brings up, though I go to other sources for more information. In fact I've been getting really interested in people like Tesla and some of the less well known electrical engineers who crossed the line between physics and electricity (and magnetism). Hoagland's moon and mars stuff though.....I can't get behind that stuff 100% without more evidence and so I will leave Cydonia and the Moon till the future when we actually get a human standing "face to face" as it were with the evidence. Of course, I'd have to trust that NASA will be honest......and we have come full circle.
Nothing you say will convince skeptics that there's any structure from an alien race on the moon. All you can do is put in the time and research and come to your own conclusions.
What mason ritual was performed on the touchdown of the moon
QuoteIn fact I've been getting really interested in people like Tesla and some of the less well known electrical engineers who crossed the line between physics and electricity (and magnetism).
I love Tesla too... there has been talk that he would have released much more of his work, if he was not prevented by plutocrats like J.P. Morgan wanting to monetize all of his discoveries; not sure to what extent it is true, but definitely noteworthy.
There definitely is not a line between physics and electricity though, unless you are talking about the theoretical integration of the two by the likes of Tesla and Faraday, etc.
Quote from: Stillwater on March 22, 2011, 23:56:51
I love Tesla too... there has been talk that he would have released much more of his work, if he was not prevented by plutocrats like J.P. Morgan wanting to monetize all of his discoveries; not sure to what extent it is true, but definitely noteworthy.
There definitely is not a line between physics and electricity though, unless you are talking about the theoretical integration of the two by the likes of Tesla and Faraday, etc.
There absolutely is a link. Einstein's Unified Field Theory 1928. Torsion Tensor. And there were some really obscure (and possibly intentionally hidden) work done both before and after Einstein published his unified field theory (that he supposedly withdrew because it was incomplete, though some people say that he withdrew it because he realized what could be done with that theory because even if it wasn't 100% complete, it was engineerable as a weapon of immense power, enough to make nukes look like firecrackers). The author Joseph P. Farrell brings all this together pretty well, though it's in the context of weaponry created during WWII by the US and Germany. He also makes a good case for this high energy kind of electricity and gravity in his books about the Giza Complex being an ancient weapon (which he clearly states is barely a hypothesis based on circumstantial evidence, so don't go getting worked up). One of the only reason's that they say Einstein's unified field was incomplete was because it lacked explanation for the quantum forces (strong and weak nuclear). But that doesn't mean that it didn't unify gravity and electromagnetism.
You gotta keep in mind that we're talking about things like free energy, interstellar travel, teleportation, maybe even time travel, and of course, weaponry beyond comprehension. It makes sense to me that "some people" wouldn't like normal folks like us knowing about it and more importantly, experimenting with it. Which is what Kurt does and why he says that we need to research on our own. And he's 100% right.
Oh, I think you might have taken me the wrong way, I am not sure- by my last post, I meant that electricity and physics are the same field, not separate fields.
QuoteYou gotta keep in mind that we're talking about things like free energy, interstellar travel, teleportation, maybe even time travel, and of course, weaponry beyond comprehension. It makes sense to me that "some people" wouldn't like normal folks like us knowing about it and more importantly, experimenting with it. Which is what Kurt does and why he says that we need to research on our own. And he's 100% right.
Yeah, I think "free energy", relying on the zero-point field and other concepts are an interesting pursuit. There definitely are rumors that devices utilizing the techology exist in various parts of the world. Stan Meyer's car turned out to be a fraud, and I am not sure about Greer and his Orion project, it looks sketchy, but there is still debate about whether the Testatika machine of the "Methernitha" commune is what it claims to be.
I was never able to make up my mind about it though. On the one hand, it is hard to believe objects like the Testatika can have existed for this many years without having been exploited and made part of mainstream science; on the other, I guess it is conceivable if there is active supression of this material by interested parties.
And I have seen Kurt's work :wink: . Even if it does not always yield results, it is quite worthwhile to investigate modern theoretical science for yourself, if you have the background to do so. If no one ever questioned established views, we could be told progressively more elaborate lies, and no one would ever become wise to it.
(http://www.rexresearch.com/testatik/testatik.jpg)
retracted.
Quote from: personalreality on March 23, 2011, 09:46:23
You gotta keep in mind that we're talking about things like free energy, interstellar travel, teleportation, maybe even time travel, and of course, weaponry beyond comprehension. It makes sense to me that "some people" wouldn't like normal folks like us knowing about it and more importantly, experimenting with it. Which is what Kurt does and why he says that we need to research on our own. And he's 100% right.
Governments have been playing around with all of those things for decades. Unfortunately, they're quite dangerous for us "normal folks" and usually require COSMIC TOP-SECRET clearance to play with.
How do you know?
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on March 24, 2011, 03:41:08
Governments have been playing around with all of those things for decades. Unfortunately, they're quite dangerous for us "normal folks" and usually require COSMIC TOP-SECRET clearance to play with.
What's his name, the Philadelphia Experiment guy (Carlos Allende or Carl Allen I think) said that Einstein withdrew his Unified Field Theory of 1927-28 because he didn't think humanity could handle the information, that he thought we would destroy ourselves with it.
I think it had to do with QM and it's implications. He preferred to think he was wrong than to think that the universe is as 'magical' as it appears to be.
Quote from: CFTraveler on March 24, 2011, 14:25:49
I think it had to do with QM and it's implications. He preferred to think he was wrong than to think that the universe is as 'magical' as it appears to be.
Yea, that's the official story. Einstein retracted his theory because it was "incomplete" (it should be noted that incomplete doesn't mean that it's not engineerable) and it was incomplete because it didn't include the quantum forces of strong and weak nuclear forces. I know that Einstein was hesitant to publicly support theories that seemed "magical", but there are so many reports of him subtly supporting (often in private) many theories that contradict the orthodoxy. Part of me thinks that Einstein was a lot more hip than people give him credit for and that he was most likely pressured by many "powerful" people to say or not say one thing or another. Who knows. The one thing I do know is that history lies.
I agree with the history part, but the stuff I've seen shows him being quite stubborn in things, changing his mind about some things, and being a willy to his daughter (if you'll pardon my french). So really, I prefer to think that he wanted to take it back out of confusion or just plain cussedness than to think that he allowed himself to be pushed around. He just didn't seem the type who lets others tell him what to do or say.
Quote from: CFTraveler on March 24, 2011, 16:52:07
I agree with the history part, but the stuff I've seen shows him being quite stubborn in things, changing his mind about some things, and being a willy to his daughter (if you'll pardon my french). So really, I prefer to think that he wanted to take it back out of confusion or just plain cussedness than to think that he allowed himself to be pushed around. He just didn't seem the type who lets others tell him what to do or say.
I feel you. That other half of me agrees with you. I find that more often than not when he's mentioned in alternative literature it's usually to say that he didn't help at all (by throwing around his considerable 'academic' weight) or he outright disputed good research because it didn't "fit".
But isn't it interesting how history has led each of us to two very different conclusions about one influential man? fascinating to me.
Absolutely. Even if we saw the same data, we would reach different conclusions, because we see things differently.
Wait, what does Einstein have to do with Planet X?
lol, nothing.
we got to this point in a round about way.
I'm sure if this goes on long enough Hitler will make an appearance too. ;)
Quote from: Xanth on March 26, 2011, 10:55:32
I'm sure if this goes on long enough Hitler will make an appearance too. ;)
Well, now that you mention it....
Quote from: Xanth on March 26, 2011, 10:55:32
I'm sure if this goes on long enough Hitler will make an appearance too. ;)
didnt hitler have scientists working on what i thought was a bell-shaped ufo? and arent most ufologists talking bout ufo's and where they come from? <i heard....i'm sureits false,but i heard that ufo's might be coming from planet x/nibiru>
so there you have it Xanth...hitler has made his appearance. lol
(http://postworthy.com/contributorimages/baby-hitler.jpg)
We hit Hitler pretty early. What is next on the list?
Quote from: Aramar on March 26, 2011, 11:41:09
didnt hitler have scientists working on what i thought was a bell-shaped ufo? and arent most ufologists talking bout ufo's and where they come from? <i heard....i'm sureits false,but i heard that ufo's might be coming from planet x/nibiru>
so there you have it Xanth...hitler has made his appearance. lol
Actualy from what I understand the bell was more of a possible time travel device?
Quote from: Nomesb69 on March 26, 2011, 13:44:27
Actualy from what I understand the bell was more of a possible time travel device?
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/11/17/article-1330566-0C1DFAB2000005DC-676_472x315.jpg)
eyewitnesses saw flying saucers marked with the Iron Cross of the German military in the 1940's.
Not too sure about time travel but those German/Polish physicists are pretty darn smart, so it's possible.
Lol... I think that is a rehatching of the account that pilots on both sides of the war ecountered UFO vehicles tailing them- the "foo-fighter" stories. And even if they were marked with such symbols, lol, I doubt that anyone would have gotten a clear enough look at one to know beyond imagining it that they were so marked.
Quote from: Stillwater on March 26, 2011, 20:55:29
Lol... I think that is a rehatching of the account that pilots on both sides of the war ecountered UFO vehicles tailing them- the "foo-fighter" stories. And even if they were marked with such symbols, lol, I doubt that anyone would have gotten a clear enough look at one to know beyond imagining it that they were so marked.
Like I said before, everyone draws there own conclusions from the information given. People can doubt and think what ever they want but it won't change the truth about what happened. Or in the case of planet X, what's going to happen.
QuoteLike I said before, everyone draws there own conclusions from the information given.
But what is the information given? What did you read that led you to think that, in the case of the nazi ufo's?
Try googling "Nazi Bell", "Nazi UFO", "Hitler UFO", etc. and read the articles from different sources. Make sure to check the references too.
its more likely that the bell was in the same vein as the philadelphia experiment. the biggest difference being that the Nazis had an idea of what was possible, the americans didn't. but, whether it was intentional or accidental, they both came upon similar effects. so time travel......no. optical and radar invisibility, definitely. teleportation, maybe.
It was normal during WWII and the cold war for both sides to make up stories about UFO's, remote viewing, advanced technology, etc. to scare the other side. The more seriously they seemed to take it, the more the other side thought it was plausible. What better way to freak out the enemy then make them think you can teleport inside their territory. Maybe that's all it ever was and the rumors are still going.
Or maybe it was real.
there is a lot of evidence for experimentation in high energy electrogravitics and such within the context of radar and possibly optical invisibility. who knows about the rest.
Exactly - they would have made sure there was evidence to help convince the other side. The more real they took it, even to the point the people running the tests thought it was real, the more convincing. Maybe brainwash a few people who would be known to talk into thinking it was all real and successful. That sounds like something the military/government would do.
Everybody says the government lies, so why wouldn't they in this case? I don't know, I'm just throwing out possibilities. Though it is known that they "leaked" info about made-up paranormal programs as propaganda for the enemy.
T'is the power of Intent...
You can use it to change your own perspective as much as you can use it to change the world.
I take it you have studied alternative forms of propulsion and energy stookie.
you sound disenchanted.
actually, you sound like a sleeper. a CIA plant. dissuade us from further investigation.
i'm on to you.
I'm the CIA plant... haven't you been reading? :)
The German, the Russians and the americans all have fantastic antigravity technology and free energy stuff, to bad they will never go public with the stuff. They rather see us all dead then reveal the secrets.
QuoteThe German, the Russians and the americans all have fantastic antigravity technology and free energy stuff, to bad they will never go public with the stuff. They rather see us all dead then reveal the secrets.
I don't know if that is true- it may or may not be.
But if it is, maybe if so many countries have cracked the secret to free energy and anti-gravity, and other technologies, there is a somewhat benevolent reason they have chosen not to release their knowledge.
Consider only free-energy, for instance- something for nothing. If everyone on the planet had access to the technology that could produce energy for free, what is left before they can produce machines and forces that can do unlimited work? Raw materials and labor. But we already have extremely powerful computers today- if there was a significant reason to, robotic systems could be mass-engineered and produced in months that could perform most kinds of human labor, and with unlimited energy to do this, it could be done even faster than it could today. Now you have unlimited energy, unlimited labor power via the robots, and once that labor goes into motion, unlimited raw materials mined and comendered. Now, only months after, there are war machines storming over every continent, competing to secure land and resources for their respective groups.
You might say that it would not be used for war in this manner, since everyone would have everything they need- but the thing you would be missing is that once the powers which check potential aggression are removed, competition and war are the most natural human expressions.
A reasonable explanation for witholding technologies like this is the inability to forsee what catastrophic effects they would have on the world. It is easy to say, "I want anti-gravity, it would fix all our problems, and I am angry at the man for witholding it", but if you can't predict what danger you place the world in as a result, it is a foolhardy thing to risk letting it out.
Quote from: Stillwater on March 28, 2011, 23:25:21
I don't know if that is true- it may or may not be.
But if it is, maybe if so many countries have cracked the secret to free energy and anti-gravity, and other technologies, there is a somewhat benevolent reason they have chosen not to release their knowledge.
Consider only free-energy, for instance- something for nothing. If everyone on the planet had access to the technology that could produce energy for free, what is left before they can produce machines and forces that can do unlimited work? Raw materials and labor. But we already have extremely powerful computers today- if there was a significant reason to, robotic systems could be mass-engineered and produced in months that could perform most kinds of human labor, and with unlimited energy to do this, it could be done even faster than it could today. Now you have unlimited energy, unlimited labor power via the robots, and once that labor goes into motion, unlimited raw materials mined and comendered. Now, only months after, there are war machines storming over every continent, competing to secure land and resources for their respective groups.
You might say that it would not be used for war in this manner, since everyone would have everything they need- but the thing you would be missing is that once the powers which check potential aggression are removed, competition and war are the most natural human expressions.
A reasonable explanation for witholding technologies like this is the inability to forsee what catastrophic effects they would have on the world. It is easy to say, "I want anti-gravity, it would fix all our problems, and I am angry at the man for witholding it", but if you can't predict what danger you place the world in as a result, it is a foolhardy thing to risk letting it out.
People are afraid of change. Getting rid of electric companies and gas stations would create quite a dent in the world economy. Eventually we'll all be driving free-energy anti-gravity ships but those in power are trying to hold on to all there money and power for as long as they can.
Also, from the research i've done on free-energy technology, it seems to be based on the same physics as UFO propulsion technology. So, if they release one technology, the other will soon follow.
But it goes beyond fear- it is also a matter of prudence. The manner in which ideas like that are released makes all the difference. If you just throw something like that into the court and call free-for-all, heaven knows what will happen. If you need an example, a pretty obvious one is forthcoming in the form of nuclear fission technology; this got thrown out there, and suddenly the rest of the century is spent in an arms race, with world power entirely redistributed, and the human world brought closest that is has ever been to annihilation. If you become the possesser of world-changing knowledge like that, you begin to take a far less casual stance about what you are willing to let out. Do you want WW3 in a few months time on your conscience?
I'm sure some of those guys in power would love to have WW3 on there conscience. One way or another the technology will be introduced to the world, I could care less how.
I'm trying to figure out what good power and money are to those who have it... when everyone else is DEAD. Hmmm...
not everyone. just enough dead to more easily manage us.
I guess controlling even a single person is enough to feel good about yourself?
Makes sense, I guess. LoL
QuoteI'm sure some of those guys in power would love to have WW3 on there conscience. One way or another the technology will be introduced to the world, I could care less how.
So if I understand this statement correctly, you don't care if there is a war which obliterates 90% of the population as a result, just so long as this new technology is released? This sounds sorta' selfish :-D
Quote from: Stillwater on March 29, 2011, 13:04:27
So if I understand this statement correctly, you don't care if there is a war which obliterates 90% of the population as a result, just so long as this new technology is released? This sounds sorta' selfish :-D
WW3 has already begun though!
Man vs Nature!! :)
I think, sadly, we're losing this one...
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on March 29, 2011, 00:55:30
I'm sure some of those guys in power would love to have WW3 on there conscience. One way or another the technology will be introduced to the world, I could care less how.
I still don't understand this statement. People in power would like destruction on their conscience? I don't understand what this means.
QuoteWW3 has already begun though!
Man vs Nature!!
I think, sadly, we're losing this one...
Nature always wins. It got here first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw0jwrWqOKI
Quote from: Stillwater on March 29, 2011, 13:04:27
So if I understand this statement correctly, you don't care if there is a war which obliterates 90% of the population as a result, just so long as this new technology is released? This sounds sorta' selfish :-D
Why do you care so much? I could care less if this entire galaxy was obliterated, let alone 90% of our little planet. Anyways, who's to say the afterlife isn't any better then where we are now.
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on March 29, 2011, 18:10:04
Why do you care so much? I could care less if this entire galaxy was obliterated, let alone 90% of our little planet. Anyways, who's to say the afterlife isn't any better then where we are now.
Because *IF* the goal of being here is to lower your entropy through becoming closer to an ever loving state... you can understand how your approach would be the exact opposite of that. :)
Quote from: Xanth on March 29, 2011, 19:11:07
Because *IF* the goal of being here is to lower your entropy through becoming closer to an ever loving state... you can understand how your approach would be the exact opposite of that. :)
Not a big fan of that "ever loving state"... My goal is to learn, experience and explore.
But then why would you want something like free-energy technology, for the purpose of learning and exploring, if the method of its release is quite nearly certain to kill you to begin with? That is like saying that I want a new computer, since I feel it will enrich my life, and I am willing to play Russian roulette for a few rounds as payment; in the case we are discussing, however, not only do you play Russian roulette, but everyone else on the planet as well, lol. If the goal is enrichment of lives... doesn't it seem pointless... if no one is... ALIVE ? :roll:
Yes... it is okay if the entire galaxy is destroyed, it will not change the fundamental condition of our existence, but then, that does not mean that it is advisable for this to happen, or that we ought to be entirely neutral if we are presented with the choice of whether or not this should occurr, or that we should wantonly risk destruction for temporary gains.
Quote from: Stillwater on March 29, 2011, 20:04:48
But then why would you want something like free-energy technology, for the purpose of learning and exploring, if the method of its release is quite nearly certain to kill you to begin with? That is like saying that I want a new computer, since I feel it will enrich my life, and I am willing to play Russian roulette for a few rounds as payment; in the case we are discussing, however, not only do you play Russian roulette, but everyone else on the planet as well, lol. If the goal is enrichment of lives... doesn't it seem pointless... if no one is... ALIVE ? :roll:
When did I say that I wanted free-energy technology? If it would destroy the planet, then I'd probably pass on it but who's to say it will. Free-energy technology is just the first step to understanding more advanced technologies such as interstellar travel, time travel and teleportation. If we can't deal with free-energy tech, how are we going to deal with those?
QuoteWhen did I say that I wanted free-energy technology?
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yesterday:
QuoteEventually we'll all be driving free-energy anti-gravity ships but those in power are trying to hold on to all there money and power for as long as they can.
Also, from the research i've done on free-energy technology, it seems to be based on the same physics as UFO propulsion technology.
You express the idea that it is a negative state that those in power are witholding these technologies, and you follow this by saying you are researching it for yourself- the implication is that you have some interest.
Quote from: Stillwater on March 29, 2011, 22:15:56
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yesterday:
Quote?
Quote from: Stillwater on March 29, 2011, 22:15:56
You express the idea that it is a negative state that those in power are witholding these technologies, and you follow this by saying you are researching it for yourself- the implication is that you have some interest.
I researched it to see if it's possible.
And I said the technology will be released eventually and I could care less how it's introduced to the public.
Quote from: Xanth on March 29, 2011, 14:23:49
WW3 has already begun though!
Man Nature vs Nature!! :)
I think, sadly, we're losing this one...
Sounds like balance. 8-)
Quote from: Stillwater on March 29, 2011, 16:19:23
Nature always wins. It got here first.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw0jwrWqOKI
I wonder though, how did Nature "get" here or anywhere, and what does it win "against"? If it got here "first", what came afterwards?
Quote[1]I wonder though, how did Nature "get" here or anywhere, and [2] what does it win "against"? [3] If it got here "first", what came afterwards?
(1) Nature is all existent forms and systems, in every mode of existence. In the narrower sense, nature is today most often used to refer to the totality of the the physical earth system, and the balance it is held in; so it was here first because in the broader sense, existence was the very first thing, and in the narrower sense, because the earth system preceded human habitation within it.
(2) Nature prevails against tampering by outlasting the tamperers. Existence will continue despite anyone's efforts, and some form of earth system will continue to persist regardless of what humanity does to itself or the earth.
(3) Humanity's habitation within the earth system came after the earth system's creation.
Quote from: Stillwater on March 31, 2011, 19:15:23
(1) Nature is all existent forms and systems, in every mode of existence. In the narrower sense, nature is today most often used to refer to the totality of the the physical earth system, and the balance it is held in; so it was here first because in the broader sense, existence was the very first thing, and in the narrower sense, because the earth system preceded human habitation within it.
(2) Nature prevails against tampering by outlasting the tamperers. Existence will continue despite anyone's efforts, and some form of earth system will continue to persist regardless of what humanity does to itself or the earth.
(3) Humanity's habitation within the earth system came after the earth system's creation.
Ahh, I see. That's cool. 8-) Thanks.
For myself, my perception of nature is somewhat similar, just in a different flavour. :-D
Yeah, no problem- just clearing up what I meant. Was half joking with the original post lol, but the statements do have literal meaning too :wink:
Quote from: Stillwater on March 31, 2011, 19:15:23
(1) Nature is all existent forms and systems, in every mode of existence. In the narrower sense, nature is today most often used to refer to the totality of the the physical earth system, and the balance it is held in; so it was here first because in the broader sense, existence was the very first thing, and in the narrower sense, because the earth system preceded human habitation within it.
(2) Nature prevails against tampering by outlasting the tamperers. Existence will continue despite anyone's efforts, and some form of earth system will continue to persist regardless of what humanity does to itself or the earth.
(3) Humanity's habitation within the earth system came after the earth system's creation.
Where do you come up with this stuff? Let me see if I can translate.
(1) Nature = planet?
(2) People < Nature
(3) People live on planets
I guess this all still doesn't have much to do with planet X but oh well! :|
QuoteWhere do you come up with this stuff? Let me see if I can translate.
(1) Nature = planet?
(2) People < Nature
(3) People live on planets
I guess this all still doesn't have much to do with planet X but oh well!
No-
1) Only in the narrowest reading. Nature is properly all of existence, in every way and means it is possible to exist. To say "=" would be to say the terms are always identical, which is not true.
2) Yes, by necessity. A whole is greater than a set of its incomplete parts. The original statement 2 was more about the certainty that one would outlast the other though, rather than the comparative value of each.
3) While this is true, the original statement 3 was more about order of appearance, rather than what lives where.
This stuff is getting pedantic, lol. :lol:
Quote from: Stillwater on April 01, 2011, 06:37:21
This stuff is getting pedantic, lol. :lol:
Then why make confusing random posts in the first place?
I was answering the questions asked by a previous poster individually, hence the numbering.
Dont worry it will seem like nothing ever happened to the chosen. Most of you persons should be fine.
Chosen by who for what?
QuoteChosen by who for what?
(http://www.haydenharnett.com/uploaded_images/Rapture-george-766168.jpg)
Quote from: astraladdict on December 24, 2010, 23:05:48
How many of y'all think planet X is really going to ram into earth?
If there is a so called PlanetX and the time comes when it becomes visible, then I believe there is something to be feared. For just the fact that the Mayans were correct about its existence has to give some credibility to what they say might happen.
One things for sure, were all gonna know if it exists well before the due date. Theres no hiding it.
There would be way more to fear then just the planet, also everything its dragging with it.
What do you mean when you say the Mayans knew about Planet X? Most of the theories I have heard link it rather to the Sumerians.
Quote from: Stillwater on May 31, 2011, 09:52:12
What do you mean when you say the Mayans knew about Planet X? Most of the theories I have heard link it rather to the Sumerians.
...whatever
Sumerians were around thousands of years before the Mayans. So yeah, it dates back that far. But the Mayan calender ending in 2012 is what generates all the publicity.
Quote from: Tee1234 on May 31, 2011, 10:42:19
...whatever
Sumerians were around thousands of years before the Mayans. So yeah, it dates back that far. But the Mayan calender ending in 2012 is what generates all the publicity.
Yeah, but the Mayans have, literally, nothing to do with the Sumerians.
Most people just try to throw enough sticky crap at a wall in the hopes that SOMETHING will stick to it. ;)
The Mayan Calendar also doesn't "end". It's a cycle, it just starts over again. People have blown this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
Quote from: Xanth on May 31, 2011, 11:38:03
Yeah, but the Mayans have, literally, nothing to do with the Sumerians.
Most people just try to throw enough sticky crap at a wall in the hopes that SOMETHING will stick to it. ;)
The Mayan Calendar also doesn't "end". It's a cycle, it just starts over again. People have blown this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out of proportion.
I wouldnt say start over, but the beginning of a new era. But for that to happen an era has to end.
..end of the 3rd, beginning of the 4th, look at it however you like.
I guess what I meant was that it's just the continuation of a cycle. :)
Did you know that the bible also talks about planet X?
I think it's talking about nibru aswell cause it says later on that a being comes with his buddys and tricked the whole world. Sounds like the blue beam project.
Revelation Chapter 12 in a new light
by Betty Matteson Rhodes
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
[The woman is the Earth basking in the warmth of the Sun with the Moon at her feet. The 'woman' has 12 stars circling above her head as if a crown. These are the twelve constellations: Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Capricorn, Aquarius, and Pisces. This portrays the Earth's position in the heavens, which is described precisely to let us know that it is indeed the 'earth' that is represented in this chapter as the woman.]
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
[Basking in the warmth of the Sun wasn't all a paradise over the millennium, the woman/Earth is about to give birth to a child. Something has occurred to the Earth that causes a sizable chunk of her to be expelled from her interior.]
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
[There is a danger for the woman/Earth and her 'child' at this point, for in the heavens there appears a large red dragon that has 7 heads and 10 horns. The red dragon is probably a brown dwarf planet, which is actually 'red', with 7 moons that have smaller satellites of their own. Could this verse be describing planet X during one of its ancient cycles? Note: I do not believe that this red dragon is the same object as Nibiru/Hibiru].
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
[Just as Zachari Stitchin has suggested, there was a collision with the Earth and another object in our distant past]. The brown dwarf's entourage caused a third of the stars to fall to earth - which I believe were one third of the red dragons 'horns' or satellites, not higher stars per se. The red dragon appeared ready to destroy the Earth's 'child' upon birth. Realistically speaking, at some point in our distant past during the inbound orbit of this 'red' [planet] dragon with all its moons and satellites, it sideswiped the 'woman'/Earth, causing a portion of her mantel and interior mass to be released into the heavens. This large chunk of 'earth' mass was caught up to the Sun and became the planet Mercury (see explanation below).
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
[The Earth's Crust is Missing In Mid-Atlantic Ocean: "Scientists have discovered a large area thousands of square kilometers in extent in the middle of the Atlantic where the Earth's crust appears to be missing". http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070301103112.htm
Hence the Earth's 'child' was born and was taken directly up to the throne of God ( it was captured by the Sun). Perhaps the Earth was closer to the Sun initially than it is now. The 'child' was to rule all nations with a rod of iron, that is because Mercury is made up of mostly iron and with all the magnetic power going on in our Universe - iron would naturally be attracted to all this magnetically influence. This 'child' is the planet Mercury. Mercury is the second densest major body in the solar system after planet Earth its density only slightly less than the Earth's. Mercury has a large iron core which is most likely at least partially molten and generates a magnetic field about 1% as strong as that of Earth's. Mercury's interior appears to resemble that of the Earth. Both planets have a rocky layer called a mantle beneath their crust and both planets have an iron core with a molten liquid mass surrounded the core. After all, if the son was made in the image of his mother, it would be the same basically, except for the after effects of Mercury being closer to the Sun. Mercury and the Earth, I content, exhibit magnetic opposition toward each other, as in positive to negative, north to south. I am not a scientist so very limited in my explanation. I can picture it in my mind but don't have the words to scientifically explain it all. The Moon is not this child as the moon was with the woman at the beginning before the birth.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
[The woman/Earth was moved to a new place in the heavens (where she now resides further out from the Sun with a new orbit). She is cared for and nurtured for 1260 days, or possibly 12,600 years, or with many zeros behind the 1260 - who knows. Who 'they' are in this verse is not known, perhaps it is referring to the Sumerian gods who planted and groomed the Earth.]
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[A war takes place in the skies, Michael and his angels fight against the red dragon and its moons. The red dragon lost the fight and was thrown out of heaven. Michael and his angels must be the other planets, Jupiter and Saturn in particular with their moons. Where did the red dragon go? He lost his original orbit and perhaps became as a 'dead' planet. Or did it become the 'hammered bracelet - a band of chunks, pieces, asteroids - the Kupier Belt?? Perhaps the dwarf planets, such as Pluto and Ceres?? See this link: http://www.solstation.com/stars/dwarfpla.htm]
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[The red dragon was cast out of its place in the heavens and thrown down to the Earth (what the....). This red dragon was wounded severely, is 'dead' but not entirely out of the picture. The red dragon could very well have ended up as the dwarf planets or asteroids that impact the Earth at various times throughout the millennia causing havoc and destruction. Albeit this red dragon could actually be the planet Mars - astrologers will tell you that the effect of Mars brings on wars and bloodshed, hate and anger. Mars may actually be one of the 'heads' or moons of the red dragon. When reading of these events in Revelation chapter 12, it is likely pertaining to things that have occurred in our past, not our future, however, the 'on earth as in heaven' rule applies.]
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Messiah: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[The time has come for the Kingdom of God to reign in the heavens, for the accuser was cast out. Evidently the red dragon had such an erratic orbit and caused so much upheaval whenever it came within the vicinity of our immediate Solar System, that something had to happen sooner or later. What rules now is order in the heavens ruled by the Sun, except for radical asteroids or comets sailing across the sky like loose cannons.]
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[The other Planets in heaven rejoiced to see the red dragon cast out. The 'blood' of the lamb refers to Earth's giant wound. The testimony was obvious - a giant wound and a chunk of mass missing. Jupiter and Saturn fought the red dragon with all their magnetic ability to cause the red planet's destruction.]
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[The heavens [Solar System] rejoiced, even though the inhabitants of the earth were plagued by comets and asteroids hitting the Earth - probably greatly so at first. The red planet's days were numbered, and his chunks and dwarf planets days are also numbered. Astrologers will tell you that Pluto and Ceres both indicate death and destruction in one's natal chart, as well as to the Earth.]
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
[The dwarf planets and asteroids are a threat to the children of the Earth who brought forth the child, Mercury. Don't think this is saying that the child is the reason for his persecution, but rather, he is persecuting the Earth for being in his way, which altered his course/orbit and caused his destruction. A great comet or asteroid may have destroyed the dinosaurs. (Note: Mercury is the morning star - the back side of Mercury has no light as it does not revolve, it orbits the Sun every 88 days).]
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
[The Earth occupies a different place in the Solar System today, from what she once did. The Earth once was closer to the Sun. Earth developed a new orbit around the Sun - which at first consisted of 360 days, but today has expanded to 365.25 days around the Sun. (Note: the entire solar system is expanding).]
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
[The red dragon's destruction is probably what caused the Great Flood on the Earth, but the Earth, having a giant hole in her side, swallowed up the flood and it became the seas - oceans.]
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
[This is seen within astrological insights. The remnant of the woman's seed is the inhabitants of Earth down through the millennium, which keep the order of the Solar System and have the testimony of the 'child' who was born from the woman - this is Mercury the bright morning star.]
Source: http://the-red-thread.net/Revelation-12.html
Interesting post thanks for sharing 8-)
:NoY:
Hear about Sept.26, 2011..? If the pole shift theory is correct then we would experience it on that day, from the alignment of the so called Elenin.
...There goes football season :cry:
I'll file that one under "yet another rapture" and see what happens.
isn't there something about mayan predictions in relation to tilts of the earths axis?
Quoteisn't there something about mayan predictions in relation to tilts of the earths axis?
I don't recall anythng like that given to us by the Mayans. Could you tell us where you found this information?
Quote from: Stillwater on June 07, 2011, 04:08:02
I don't recall anythng like that given to us by the Mayans. Could you tell us where you found this information?
oh i'm not sure where i found the information. this was months ago when i did some research of crystal skulls and came across some myth or story in which 13 crystal skulls need to be brought together in order to keep the earth from falling off its axis. i think there was an involvement of needing to please a god of some sort. it may very well just be some rumor someone made up, but a myth speaking of the earth being knocked off its axis could tie into other theories such as niburu flying past earth and throwing off its axis. and if this happened, then perhaps it would explain some aspects of revelations. hahaha this is all just my speculation though :-D
Quote from: schockstuhh on June 07, 2011, 04:26:50
oh i'm not sure where i found the information. this was months ago when i did some research of crystal skulls and came across some myth or story in which 13 crystal skulls need to be brought together in order to keep the earth from falling off its axis. i think there was an involvement of needing to please a god of some sort. it may very well just be some rumor someone made up, but a myth speaking of the earth being knocked off its axis could tie into other theories such as niburu flying past earth and throwing off its axis. and if this happened, then perhaps it would explain some aspects of revelations. hahaha this is all just my speculation though :-D
Actually, that was the plot of the latest Indiana Jones movie.
lol
What you mention is aparently a real story, Shockstuhh, that was common among the Mesoamericans. I think the pole-shift part though may have been combining ideas Zecheria Stichin came up with based on his interpretations (many now take serious academic fault with them) of Sumerian myth and cunieform writing; it sounds a bit like a compound effort of uniting several eschatologies together. But thanks for the story, I was not aware of that one!
Elements of the 13 crystal skulls legend
The basic elements of the 13 crystal skulls legend is that at a pivotal time in humanity's history, the 13 crystal skulls will be reunited to awaken a new era - transforming from an old paradigm into a new world.
Patricio Dominguez - Pueblo Spiritual Advisor: "The crystal skulls are complete depositories of knowledge and each skull contains a particular specialist area of information - like a living library [each skull is like one volume in a set of encyclopedias]. And the people who will in the future be able to 'read' the crystal skulls will only be able to extract all the knowledge from the skulls once they are all assembled together... Of course, the knowledge that is going to come out from the skulls is quite unimaginable to our current minds. But that it is definitely going to come out at a certain time is already foregone. It has been prophesied. But whether we humans then use that knowledge for good or for our own destruction is really down to our preparations."
Many believe that there is a strong connection between the crystals skulls, the Mayans and the Mayan Calendar ending in December 2012. While there is a current belief that more than 13 ancient crystal skull exist (some say 52, or 4 sets of 13), in recent years, the Mayans have spearheaded a grand reunion of North America's indigenous chiefs in an effort to unite forces towards the commonly foreseen future as recounted by the Mayan elders.
According to Mayan Priest/Shaman, Don Alejandro Cirilo Oxlaj Peres: "... The prophecy says now is the time of the awakening. This is your job now, to awaken. The Vale of the Nine Hells is past and the Time of Warning has now arrived. It is time to prepare for the Age of the Thirteen Heavens. The time of 12 Baktun and 13 Ahau is fast approaching, and they shall be here among you to defend Mother Earth. The prophecy says, 'Let the dawn come. Let all the people and all the creatures have peace, let all things live happily', for the love must not only be between humans, but between all living things. They said, 'We are the children of the sun, we are the children of time and we are the travelers in space. May all the songs awaken, may all the dancers awaken. May all the people and all things live in peace for you are the valleys, you are the mountains, you are the trees, you are the very air you breathe'....Now is the time of return of the grandmothers and grandfathers. Now is the time of the return of the elders. Now is the time of the return of the wise ones. And the wise ones are all of you. Now is the time to go out into the world and spread the light. The sacred flame has been kept for this purpose and now the time approaches when you will be required to love all things, to love a world that has gone crazy, to rebalance the heavens and the Earth. For the Time of Warning has come to pass and the Warriors of the Rainbow are now beginning to be born. The Vale of Tears, the Nine Hells, is over and it is time to prepare for the 13 Heavens. The ancestors are returning, my brothers and sisters, and we do not have long. Now is the time that the prophecies will be fulfilled."
^^ Thank you lol. i don't base my speculation directly off movies.
Quote from: Stillwater on June 07, 2011, 04:08:02
I don't recall anythng like that given to us by the Mayans. Could you tell us where you found this information?
Its the internet..
Just type it in the google bar. Youl find loads of sht.
Type in:
Mayans 2012
Mayans pole shift
Mayans doomsday theory
Mayan prediction
Mayans planet x
Niburu mayans
...there I helped ya out. Paste one of those in the google bar. :wink:
or go to youtube n type n some mayan stuff.
Well yes, but the reason I say that is because the Mayans did not forsee a poleshift for all we know about them, which implies that the ideas in question are probably a synthesis with the Mayan calender concepts with other eschatologies based on our own modern interpretations of Sumerian writing; because it requires a person to make connections and combine ideas that come from separate traditions, the particular theory the poster has in mind is bound to be highly personalized, meaning it is hard to address the claims made therein without knowing which specific claims there are to begin with, and to know this, you have to know the specific source.