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[Lucidity444]

Made a simillar post earlier but realized it was in the wrong section. Just wondering how many of you have heard of the Reptillians or Paliedians or other races? If no, you should look into them. It all ties in with 2012 and the conscienous shift and what we need to be doing in order to free ourselves from all of the distractions created to keep us away from ascending and achieving our full potential and saving the planet. Humans will be one of, if not the most important and spiritual race in the end, we just need to start working towards the right direction!

[Stookie]

How do you know 2012 isn't a distraction for the people that aren't distracted from the original distractions? Those that are expecting 2012 aren't planning for 2013...

[Lucidity444]

2012 is not the end of the world and I in no way said that....

[Panthau]

Those reptile storys are exactly that... storys. Or do you have any facts which coold be proved?

[Leannain]

Here we go again. Why are Humans so paranoid? everything has to be about gloom and doom. Chill out. Read a Alan Dean Foster book -  they are pretty good. Why do you say the world will end(as we know it, supposedly)? What evidence is there? And why would it be in 2012? Not 2000? or 1990? Or the year 666 A.D?

[Tayesin]

It is true many people think 2012 will be the end of the earth, or the ascension of humanity. As always there are polarised beliefs about it. And unfortunately, once beliefs are attached to then clarity of perception becomes severely limited.

It is also true that there are polarised beliefs about the so called Reptilians. Few think it possible for there to be such a race, and others believe everything they read about the race. Again there is no middle ground being sought for further clarity. So we are left with opposing views and no one being remotely interested in expanding or clearing their own perceptions of it all. Very human of us don't you think?

One only has to look at the build-up of natural events globally to see it is very possible to extrapolate those trends and gain a clearer understanding of what is possible and what is probable. If you look you will see it for yourself. Build-ups require releasing, the likes of which we have seen the past couple of years, and yet few understand that each release increases pressures further along techtonic plate edges. At the moment experts are awaiting another huge quake further south of the plate edges from the massive magnitude 8 quake of two weeks ago.

Just look at this little fact; all the world's major volcanoes are having continuous eruptions now and have been for many months. This alone should tell us something important, but again few even bother to look, instead prefering to stay within the boundaries of their beliefs and comfort zones. Again, this is very typically human.

If we look openly we will see a build-up and that must reach a climax stage at some time. So we cannot rule out major earth changing events over the next few years. If we did then we would deserve the title of "Stupid".

While most humans consider all aliens to be myth, there are many thousands who have real astral and/or physical contacts with a variety of races that do visit our little blue dot. Who is to say these people are wrong or crazy? Certainly no one here has that right.

I have had contact in the astral and physical with what we could call a reptilian race. I have been involved in planning meetings onboard what we could call a federation ship, although I do not like that terminology myself. We must realise that we are not alone in the universe and to think so would label us as "Stupid", which we clearly are not, well, not all of us anyway. I do not seek to convince anyone of the existence of a reptilian race, but I cannot close my mind to what I have experienced directly. And so I share it openly here despite the threat of derision.

Another thing to consider is this:- Even if the major earth changes to not come, even if no alien races show up, then we humans have still to face our own demise. Many cannot comprehend that our cultures are no different to every other culture before us that rose and fell. Even fewer can see openly what we have created for ourselves here, and how that is already in its demise phase. So, if nothing else happens then we humans will continue to starve and strangle humanity off the planet. Either way folks, we are in for an amazing ride to the natural conclusion either way it goes.

Lastly, I do not see Doom and Gloom in anything. What I do see is Opportunity. Yes, opportunity!!! We are now facing the time for us to stand up, to Awaken to our higher self, to become that awesome being here in the physical. We are also at a point where standing up means we take absolute responsibility for ourselves and those dependant upon us. To grow our own food, to find clean water without poisons, to find space away from the growing madness of humanity so that we can survive whatever approaches us, be it natural or external events.

To me this is what we chose to incarnate here for this time. Yes, we chose to incarnate here and now, to be a part of these amazing changes as they occur around us, to step up to the plate and be all that we can be to insure humanity does go forward into a future it can survive in. This is a Positive perspective, and it is what we are meant to find in Equanimity in this timeframe.

[zareste]

Generally, incarnations are decided by someone else and, often, that 'someone else' considers you disposable, like a tool. It's fun to think we chose all this - and perhaps a few people come from factions that gave them an unimpeded choice - but I'd say maybe 90% were fooled or coerced into incarnating, based on everything I've studied.

And I think that's our biggest problem. We can never consider ourselves an independent race, we can never be expected to get along, and we have no reason to care about the planet. If anything, we have every reason to destroy it, like breaking out of a cage.

[Tayesin]

Generally, incarnations are decided by someone else and, often, that 'someone else' considers you disposable, like a tool. It's fun to think we chose all this - and perhaps a few people come from factions that gave them an unimpeded choice - but I'd say maybe 90% were fooled or coerced into incarnating, based on everything I've studied.

Not seeking argument, only clarification of your claims so I can understand it better. So......

Do you ascribe to the belief that we are victims of being forced into incarnations against the will of the soul we are?

Who or what would do the decision making on our behalf?

I chose this time, and I have pre-chosen the next incarnation. How does that fit with your understanding?

[zareste]

I can believe that. Like I said, some people have an unadulterated choice to incarnate.

The way I understand it, incarnations aren't controlled by any central force - no deity, no a universal karma, no universal rules. It's only individuals and groups who make rules. A spirit could theoretically show up and incarnate where they want, provided they're able to inhabit the desired body, and provided they don't meet any resistance from people or groups.

But there are interstellar organizations who control much of this planet, and they put most of the spirits here. The 'Federation of Light' seems to control most of it. I guessed 90% earlier. The various groups have different views on 'free will', as some give you free selection of places to incarnate, while others tell you where to go, what to do, and they can have some cruel methods of making you do it. Some use slavery, trickery, coercion. The Federation likes to use subtle manipulation. When they want you to incarnate somewhere, they ask you politely, and if you say 'no', they'll try a little harder to convince you. If you continue to say 'no' they'll start to penalize you, saying something like "if you don't, you'll have to incarnate on a lower planet", and the penalties get worse and worse until you say 'yes'.

This, in their mind, is "choosing to be born here"

The Federation then accepts no guilt for any hardships you endure, and is not at all concerned with how you live or die. They basically pile low-level spirits onto the planet and keep a loose watch over them, using Earth as a sort of daycare for careless, misdirected kids.

[Tayesin]

Thank you Zareste for your reply to my questions. I understand much better now what you are saying.

Interestingly, a few years back I found a lower astral program that had the newly dead believe they had reached the light and were then re-directed back here for whatever purpose.

[Dusty2010]

Anyone else just pretty chill about the 2012 thing?  I mean, if there is some disaster waiting then...  What are we gonna do?  If there is an alien race coming to kill us, what are we gonna do?  If there is a dimension shift...  You get where this is going.  My point is that whatever is going to happen (if anything) is more than likely inevitable so why worry too much about it?  Just live, laugh, have fun and be happy!   

[zareste]

Anyone else just pretty chill about the 2012 thing?  I mean, if there is some disaster waiting then...  What are we gonna do?  If there is an alien race coming to kill us, what are we gonna do?

"we" are going to prevent it from doing too much harm if anything happens. 'You' are going to be lizard food

Interestingly, a few years back I found a lower astral program that had the newly dead believe they had reached the light and were then re-directed back here for whatever purpose.

That is pretty interesting. It seems like their methods are getting lower
My favorite trick is where they tell the person "you have a mission to complete on Earth!" and the person goes dutifully back to the planet. In all the dozens of accounts I've read, not one person was told what this 'mission' is.

Sometimes I think the Federation is cutting us off from the galaxy so we don't tell anyone what kind of programs are being conducted here

[Leannain]

I can believe that. Like I said, some people have an unadulterated choice to incarnate.

The way I understand it, incarnations aren't controlled by any central force - no deity, no a universal karma, no universal rules. It's only individuals and groups who make rules. A spirit could theoretically show up and incarnate where they want, provided they're able to inhabit the desired body, and provided they don't meet any resistance from people or groups.

But there are interstellar organizations who control much of this planet, and they put most of the spirits here. The 'Federation of Light' seems to control most of it. I guessed 90% earlier. The various groups have different views on 'free will', as some give you free selection of places to incarnate, while others tell you where to go, what to do, and they can have some cruel methods of making you do it. Some use slavery, trickery, coercion. The Federation likes to use subtle manipulation. When they want you to incarnate somewhere, they ask you politely, and if you say 'no', they'll try a little harder to convince you. If you continue to say 'no' they'll start to penalize you, saying something like "if you don't, you'll have to incarnate on a lower planet", and the penalties get worse and worse until you say 'yes'.

This, in their mind, is "choosing to be born here"

The Federation then accepts no guilt for any hardships you endure, and is not at all concerned with how you live or die. They basically pile low-level spirits onto the planet and keep a loose watch over them, using Earth as a sort of daycare for careless, misdirected kids.

And how does one become Powerful enough to destroy those beings?

I must agree with you. I doubt I had free will, when it came to this. To be reborn on this planet. Why would I come here? I am in love with the stars. I want to spend my time in space ships, visiting other planets, finding ruins etc etc. I do resent being stuck on this planet. Why would I have chosen this if it makes me unhappy? To learn something? nah. Remember. Free will means you can choose. Changing your mind is included. There's no way for me to change my mind, is it? So, there's no free will.

[Tayesin]

And how does one become Powerful enough to destroy those beings?

I must agree with you. I doubt I had free will, when it came to this. To be reborn on this planet. Why would I come here? I am in love with the stars. I want to spend my time in space ships, visiting other planets, finding ruins etc etc. I do resent being stuck on this planet. Why would I have chosen this if it makes me unhappy? To learn something? nah. Remember. Free will means you can choose. Changing your mind is included. There's no way for me to change my mind, is it? So, there's no free will.

Energy only changes form, so we cannot destroy anything, only change it's state.

Free will is a strange kind of thing and we have a hard time grasping how free or not we are to choose while incarnate.

Imagine the soul you are reviews various options available for the next incarnation, and chooses a whole heap of things to be included in that life.. like you do when preparing a vacation Itinerary. There are things you want to experience, and things you want to be able to choose from.

Now imagine you roll up a piece of chicken wire diagonally and squash it down tight, then look into one end of it. There you will see lines crossing all over the place. Start at the first strand at one end.. being born.. and follow it through all the different places where it crosses over other lines... life choices... and we can begin to understand what free will is. It seems like free will is about making the choices we included in our Itinerary. Each of those choices will put you on a different line until you reach the next choice, etc. Because each choice changes the line you are travelling on, it will also reach the end of the line at a different time to if you had made different choices. That is Free Will.

Why would I come here?

Because the soul you are does not perceive as you do. It is a massive, loving thing. It makes no value judgements like good or bad. It see all things as valid experience. So, you the awesome and powerful soul chose this purely for the experiences it can provide you. It finds the rollercoaster of life to be exciting experience.

Why would I have chosen this if it makes me unhappy?

This is where things get a little harder to explain in a way that is easily understood. Happiness does not come from anything outside of You. Yes we respond happily to nice things, to things working out as we would like them, being given things, being loved, etc. But all of those things are external and the feeling of happy is only a reaction to them. Real happiness comes from within, as you would have heard too many times already. But it is correct, if you have one single happy thought you can be happy whenever you want to, just by remembering that happy thought.. like the Lost Boys you then fly.

It comes down to where we place our Attention. Do we focus on the negatives after observing them or do we observe them then focus on something positive to bring us the inner happiness feeling? It's a choice thing after all, and a little practice will prove it to you.

[Dusty2010]

"we" are going to prevent it from doing too much harm if anything happens. 'You' are going to be lizard food

Okay, I'm not trying to be offensive hear but seriously, you have absolutely no concrete evidence of what you're saying.  I'm not saying I'm any better, but coming out and telling someone their opinion is wrong because your opinion is right is kind of an immature thing to do.

You've still also not said what exactly is going to happen on 2012.  So my next question is obvious, but in your opinion what's going to happen?

Another thing is, how exactly are you preparing for this catastrophic event?

[zareste]

Okay, I'm not trying to be offensive hear but seriously, you have absolutely no concrete evidence of what you're saying.  I'm not saying I'm any better, but coming out and telling someone their opinion is wrong because your opinion is right is kind of an immature thing to do.

You've still also not said what exactly is going to happen on 2012.  So my next question is obvious, but in your opinion what's going to happen?

Another thing is, how exactly are you preparing for this catastrophic event?

That's hilarious.

Anyway

And how does one become Powerful enough to destroy those beings?

I must agree with you. I doubt I had free will, when it came to this. To be reborn on this planet. Why would I come here? I am in love with the stars. I want to spend my time in space ships, visiting other planets, finding ruins etc etc. I do resent being stuck on this planet. Why would I have chosen this if it makes me unhappy? To learn something? nah. Remember. Free will means you can choose. Changing your mind is included. There's no way for me to change my mind, is it? So, there's no free will.

I've been learning how to change things on a massive scale like this, and, ironically, I've learned much of it from the Federation.

If we would take our attention off the big-shot rulers of the galaxy for a moment. Notice all these ordinary people who are unopposed to exploitation, unopposed to destruction, unopposed to slavery - they justify it, even when it's happening to them.

Kinda strange behavior, isn't it? They're victims, sure, but should they be rescued? Do they WANT to be rescued? If we destroyed the beings who trap spirits on this planet, the ordinary death lovers among us would take over and continue the entrapment. So the problem isn't a small, elite organization, but masses of people, all victimizing each other and they love it.

So, the solution is not to target the leaders at all, but to aim for the little guys who uphold the leaders.

What to do about these people? Simple: Give them more of what they want. As long as they enjoy the cycle of torment, we can give them more than they can handle, until eventually they decide this isn't fun anymore, and they'll quit. It's a bit like making a kid smoke a box of cigarettes so they'll never want to smoke again.

[Selski]

'You' are going to be lizard food

ROFLMAO - the funniest thing I've read all week!  Thanks for the laugh.

[zareste]

Hey, I live to entertain the stupid, apparently

[Leannain]

That's hilarious.

AnywayI've been learning how to change things on a massive scale like this, and, ironically, I've learned much of it from the Federation.

If we would take our attention off the big-shot rulers of the galaxy for a moment. Notice all these ordinary people who are unopposed to exploitation, unopposed to destruction, unopposed to slavery - they justify it, even when it's happening to them.

Kinda strange behavior, isn't it? They're victims, sure, but should they be rescued? Do they WANT to be rescued? If we destroyed the beings who trap spirits on this planet, the ordinary death lovers among us would take over and continue the entrapment. So the problem isn't a small, elite organization, but masses of people, all victimizing each other and they love it.

So, the solution is not to target the leaders at all, but to aim for the little guys who uphold the leaders.

What to do about these people? Simple: Give them more of what they want. As long as they enjoy the cycle of torment, we can give them more than they can handle, until eventually they decide this isn't fun anymore, and they'll quit. It's a bit like making a kid smoke a box of cigarettes so they'll never want to smoke again.

I see. We'll override their capacity to enjoy the suffering etc, they get from ordering beings and setting up the whole system, by overloading their receptor "implants".


Have these beings(the ones in command) achieved their ultimate evolution or have they achieved a level of evolution that, they are satisfied with - thus they stay there - or are they stuck in it because of their devious ways?

What about other, more powerful beings? Why don't they do something about this? And what do you think of the "we can't destroy energy, only change it" ?

[zareste]

Have these beings(the ones in command) achieved their ultimate evolution or have they achieved a level of evolution that, they are satisfied with - thus they stay there - or are they stuck in it because of their devious ways?

I read an account by someone who met the 'higher' beings of the hierarchy. They're much like the rich people of Earth, and lived in a sort of luxury we can barely imagine. They lived on a planet that glows, and the material on this planet responds to thoughts so that you can imagine anything and it becomes material. You could live in a video game, for example. The spirits there were physically formless, appearing however they want, or not at all. They were very snobbish and treated the Earthly spirit (who had accidentally projected to the planet) like an animal that had gotten loose from the zoo.

They pay a high price to live that way, though. Like any place where resources are unbalanced, the privileged have so much to lose, and so many ways to lose it, being surrounded by underprivileged people who want it. These beings were bombarded regularly by underprivileged spirits - 'the dark spirits', they were dubbed. Those spirits have been attacking in waves against the planet, and are beginning to get the upper hand against the snobbish inhabitants. It scares the hell out of them because they only have so many resources to fight with, whereas the underprivileged have nothing to lose.

Now here's the kicker: These 'dark forces' consist of beings who defected from the Federation. The Federation has been controlling galactic incarnation in such a way that certain spirits are always privileged while others are dumped on planets like Earth, and the victims of this system suffer and die over and over for millenniums with no sign of release. Eventually, people go insane, or rebel. This rebellion is becoming pretty organized and now includes some very powerful forces.

So it's similar to how the elite of Earth exploit the less privileged, using them as disposable tools, and then the poor decide they've had enough and slaughter them.

But, as we've learned, today's poor will be tomorrow's tyrants. So, from my perspective, the privileged and under-privileged are all the same in potential. The under-privileged tend to exploit the weak in the same manner as the privileged, which means this is not the fault of the elite or the poor alone. They're all suffering because they've agreed that it's okay to kill or enslave the innocent.

So that's why I say this galaxy is full of people who love chaos more than they hate it, and the solution might be to give them an extra 'push' into a level of chaos they can't withstand

[Dusty2010]

That's hilarious.

You know, I'd really like to at least see where you're coming from - I'm not totally writing off your ideas, I'm just saying I've seen no evidence in that (and also not claiming I've done research) so throwing a new member a bone and coughing up a few links would be nice. 

I'm not here to fight, I'm here to learn. 

[Stillwater]

 Dusty2010:

Okay, I'm not trying to be offensive hear but seriously, you have absolutely no concrete evidence of what you're saying.  I'm not saying I'm any better, but coming out and telling someone their opinion is wrong because your opinion is right is kind of an immature thing to do. You've still also not said what exactly is going to happen on 2012.  So my next question is obvious, but in your opinion what's going to happen?

Another thing is, how exactly are you preparing for this catastrophic event?

Zareste:

That's hilarious.

Hey, I live to entertain the stupid, apparently

      ?

lol, I clearly missed something in this line of reasoning.... you might call other people thick after you eloquently elucidate your reasoning, and they fail to see what is self-evident....not when you never respond at all, lol....

Can't help but admit that I would be interested in an explanation of your assertion as well, but perhaps I will regret this  ....

[zareste]

you mad?

[zareste]

If need be, you folks could go rage in another thread. This isn't group therapy

[Dusty2010]

If need be, you folks could go rage in another thread. This isn't group therapy

No one's raging man, you're being asked to share your knowledge/opinion and you're being sarcastic