Does every Human have a soul?

[Cebren Girinis]

What makes up a soul rather than a full string of evolved consciousness? These are my beliefs:

That not all humans have souls. (most do)

Those that do not are simply there for several reasons. Many people say that they have seen and been physically protected by some "other power" (guardian angels). Well it takes ENORMOUS energy to manifest in the physical. (Try moving something in the physical, ACTUALLY MOVING IT,) therefore these shells exist so that the higher beings can temporarily "control" the shell to help save someone.

Another assumption I have is that the more souls there are, the more chaotic the world gets, therefore they are necessary to help maintain it without the world completely deteriorating. (ie emotional and self-benefiting involvement.)

We are like video game characters, we know something bigger is moving our bodies. (Us=our soul, which we should )refer to rather than referring to us as our shell... which is defiantly NOT all we are. I suppose you can consider the "empties" as NPC (non-playable characters). Our characters die, but eventually we all return to the true us... they are simply there to help run our world.

Anyway, the original question I suppose deals with whether or not they don't exist. Well, those who say nay, I can see the logic, They could be beginning strands of consciousness, with no advanced skills, such as obe. Or they could be people whose emotional side has been so stricken that it had to go through a few lives before it could actually be used again. (Holocaust victims???)

Either way, I hope I wasn't tooooo confusing... my mind is very scattered... heh. However, obviously if you find yourself here and pondering in deep thought you probably (99.99%) have a soul... (well I shouldn't say you have a soul, as you ARE the soul, but whatever.)

[Ben K]

If not all people have souls then not all people should be able to astral project, correct?

Following this logic, not all people can AP. But since it has been established that we CAN all AP(or has it? im basically assuming, correct me if im wrong.) then it follows that we all have souls.

[NickJW]

If not all people have souls then not all people should be able to astral project, correct?

Following this logic, not all people can AP. But since it has been established that we CAN all AP(or has it? im basically assuming, correct me if im wrong.) then it follows that we all have souls.

I see your point, but I don't consider the Astral Body to be the soul. I have always thought of the soul as th Causal Body. Someone with no soul may still have some of the other bodies like Astral, Lower Mental and even Etheric body in my opinion. Or maybe just their etheric body, or just their astral.

However I believe everyone does have a soul.

[aleshah]

It is irrational to recognize for a being their own soul.
It is like a camera becomes self aware and recognize itself.

I suppose souls are just logical models we working with.
We are able to weight the bodies after death
and notice a lost weight.
But we can.t notice which substance is lifted..

[Ben K]

It is irrational to recognize for a being their own soul.
It is like a camera becomes self aware and recognize itself.

I suppose souls are just logical models we working with.
We are able to weight the bodies after death
and notice a lost weight.
But we can.t notice which substance is lifted..

I doubt our souls/consciousness weigh anything. That would imply that a part of our souls are physical, which is obviously contradictory. More than likely what has left is our etheric body, which you can read about in Bruces ebook.

[greatoutdoors]

Aleshah and Ben, you are moving in my direction - be careful...  

I did some reading on the "weighing the soul" experiments. That was done many years back, I want to say in the early '40's but stand to be corrected. The problem was, they didn't have equipment capable of accurately recording such small weight changes and thus, the figures are questionable. That experiment has not bee repeated so far as I know. I wish someone would do that type of research again today -- we have the equipment now to really know for sure.

My point is, and it's a theory only right now, that our souls are only physical. Even if that is true there would not necessarily be a weight difference when it leaves the body. How much does electricity weigh?

[beavis]

greatoutdoors

Your last point is exactly what I'm getting at. Yes, telepathic ability -- or reading the card while in the astral -- is purely the result of our brain's ability. Did you know that if you stick a florescent lightbulb in the ground underneath a heavy-duty power line, the bulb will light up? No wires, just "free" or "leaking" electricity.

I agree there is moving electricity in the ground, especially around power plants. That does not explain how telepathy could work between people separated by more than 1 mile.

How much does electricity weigh?

An electron weighs 9.11 * 10^-28 grams, about 1800 times less than a proton or neutron.

Electrons are probably about 1/2500 the total weight of most objects.

[Krevency]

Hello Beavis.  I didn't read all four pages of posts, because I assumed they were all arguing, too.  Maybe I was wrong.  Either way, I liked your question.

I've never even considered that maybe some people didn't have a soul.  I suppose in that scenario they would just be tools for karma, like a chair, car or lottery ticket.  

Well, there wouldn't be any way to prove *against* the idea of some people being soul-less, unless you somehow checked every person that's ever, or ever will exist.  Heh.  But if you found just one soul-less person, that would be proof in the other direction.

As I said, I didn't read all the other posts, but what got you on this train of thought?

I personally don't see a good reason why some people wouldn't, but it's certainly not an idea to just dismiss outright.  I'll keep it in the little filing cabinet in my head, and see if anything comes of it.

[Wronski Feint]

I noticed, especially on the first page, that if you think about it logically then there is no way to know the answer.  I dont understand how you use logic at all when talking about anything spiritual.  I guess its a way to try to look at it, but I dont think it works.

When dealing with these subjects, there is always almost no clear answers and really no pattern or logic to the way these things work.  So I guess what you could do is use your gut.  You can feel your soul, you know if there is an emptyness in your life, you can tell when sombody is sad.  So just listen to that feeling.  I think if someone dosnt have a soul(I personally think we all do), youll feel it.  Or maybe just to take it one step further, maybe you cant even see, or dont notice people without souls.  I dont think that fits though.  Its all very unsure, shady, and illogical.

[MisterJingo]

The question is not 'does everyone have a soul', but 'does anyone exist independent of your own consciousness'. My reasoning behind this is that the physical manifestation of a being is no different from an astral manifestation i.e. both are internal constructs. For one to have seeming sentiency or even exist in the 'physical' implies they are conscious and have a 'soul'. Soul is just a construct which is not needed.

[Gem]

I believe every living thing, be it human, animal, plant etc has a soul but that is my personal opinion and is central to my spritual beliefs.

Gem

[AstralSailor]

I noticed, especially on the first page, that if you think about it logically then there is no way to know the answer.  I dont understand how you use logic at all when talking about anything spiritual.  I guess its a way to try to look at it, but I dont think it works.

When dealing with these subjects, there is always almost no clear answers and really no pattern or logic to the way these things work.  So I guess what you could do is use your gut.  You can feel your soul, you know if there is an emptyness in your life, you can tell when sombody is sad.  So just listen to that feeling.  I think if someone dosnt have a soul(I personally think we all do), youll feel it.  Or maybe just to take it one step further, maybe you cant even see, or dont notice people without souls.  I dont think that fits though.  Its all very unsure, shady, and illogical.

I think that depends on what you mean by logic
If you are talking Equations and calculations then you need to concider what you are the calculations and equations are refering to.
Most Logic is What we can precive by means of matter which in its turn in bounded energy. So if example you would talk about this with a metahpysisist like RB you would probable get some like a logical answer or why not ask frank i know he is good at using logic in a great way or way (Don't know what to refer it as if not logic )