Can't Astral Project anymore

[Yorae]

Hello Everyone

I will go by the name of Alex, for very long I wasn't able to post in the forum... wasn't lack of interest but lack of time and many things happened in my life till today, like the recent fires that affected our life's in Portugal, etc.

I had started to write a bit on the forum long ago, talk about my experiences, which the last ones were amazing! And was thankful for the insight and tips of those who talked with me.

So my problem is like this, when I started to open myself to astral projection, it started almost immediately, like I had opened something I had locked up for years (used to have paralysis and lots of vivid dreams I could control in the past), my way of doing it was always from when I went to sleep or took a nap, I tried other ways, learned to mediate etc. but never was able to do it from there...

But in the last months I barely can do it anymore... sometimes I go to sleep during the night after waking up and I am able to feel the vibrations and fall into paralysis but wake up right away... and then I just fall asleep without being able to make it happen again and make it go further...

I am not sure what happened because before this I used to project so easy... almost happened natural when I wanted, many times by accident without even thinking about it...
I will be putting the possible reasons why I can't project so easy anymore... I would like other people's opinions in what could be happening to me and how to be able to sort myself up...

- I had a time I "closed" myself up to project, really didn't want to project anymore, done this for months, many things were happening in life, to busy, and some of the projections were becoming a bit "scary" in the way I felt weird things around me even while awake, now I am not saying this in a demonic or spiritual way but maybe life stresses were getting to me so, anyways after many months without projecting really when I decided was time I could do it again... I couldn't do it anymore or nothing close to what I was at before, now I know astral projection isnt like bicycle riding but feels weird when I tried first times it went so fast and now barely anything happens...

- I became more unhealthy both physically and mentally... recently I discovered I had some hernias from accidents in neck and back(L5,L4 specially in the back) that caused me issues for months and now have to live with it... while the pain is mostly gone most of the time if careful, I don't feel so confortable physically... and the mental part would be stress related and also sadness for my health problems... also gained weight due to lack of exercise/work in the past months.

- Another stress related issue is that we were trying to make a life in Portugal... but their burecracy in our district and the last straw the fires in Portugal affected us in a way that we decided we want to leave the country and sell our place... so our "dreams" we had for there were shattered and now got more problems to deal with and lack of harmony in our lifes right now.

- I used to do exercise, walking and gym, working physically, also used to read more about astral projection and other spiritual topics that I had curiosity about, when we moved to Portugal a lot of that changed/stopped and could be another cause.

- I always feel tired... and when I go to sleep I try to be always conscious that I want to project, or to wake up and do it there and then but never works usually... always fall back to sleep without noticing... in which the part I said I feel always tired plays a big part( I said usually because once or twice it started to happen but then it stops... I try to be passive about it also but I just wake up instead).

- Maybe I lack also motivation... I don't think I do but maybe my drive before was higher than right now... due to life's problems and such.


Those were just the major things, now I been trying besides the sleep/dream method also the rope technic, roll over, target and lately also to just let myself imagine I am flying somewhere around the room, this method as proven to work in some ways like able to relax almost immediately and fall asleep fast... but usually also lose awareness fast and just go into sleeping, passive dreaming.
In all this methods I tried I am able to fully relax and lose awareness of my body but nothing more happens... just once or twice I felt something more wanting to start, like some starting vibration, but maybe due to trying to hard I can't...also thinking that I am over thinking this and should just try to do it like I usually did it before, from my dreams/sleep/naps.

I would like someone to give me their opinions from what I just explained and from their experiences, while I know maybe most of that I said is affecting my projection rate I would like insight and to hopefully with some tips to get back in track eventually, lastly it's always nice to hear from others who also practice and/or have more experience which gives a nice moral boost, most people I know in real life I can't talk about this, and while I have full support of let's say my girlfriend she doesn't practice due to lack of interest so she can't help me much here...

I thank everyone in advance for your insights and sorry for the long text and also sorry if posted this in wrong section wasnt sure which one to put it on...

Take care everyone and speak to you soon.

[PhaPriSpa]

Read the book of Letitia M. Kimball called "Keys To Successful OBE" as it is ESSENTIAL to change many things required to be able to have Astral Projections (/Lucid Dreams), the links to it are below.

Keys To Successful OBE
www.4shared.com/office/pesE2pQjce/Letitia_M_Kimball_-_Keys_To_Su.html
www.dropbox.com/s/rorzs1kmw1n7s94/Letitia%20M.%20Kimball%20-%20Keys%20To%20Successful%20OBE.pdf?dl=0


I quote some of the text of another Post that might be of help.

1. Read the Books mentioned in the Topic Below.
   
Books of Lucid Dreaming - Astral Projection - OBE (Out of Body Experiences)
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/books_of_lucid_dreaming_astral_projection_obe_out_of_body_experiences-t46899.0.html

Start with the ones mentioned in the Topic below; links to download some of them for FREE are in the Topic, and the WHY to read them is also explained there.

Learning LUCID DREAMS Tips and Tricks Before DIRECT ASTRAL TRAVELS
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_writers_corner/learning_lucid_dreams_tips_and_tricks_before_direct_astral_travels-t47174.0.html

The book of Letitia M. Kimball is ESSENTIAL to change many things required to be able to have Astral Projections (/Lucid Dreams), the links to it are below.

Keys To Successful OBE
www.4shared.com/office/pesE2pQjce/Letitia_M_Kimball_-_Keys_To_Su.html
www.dropbox.com/s/rorzs1kmw1n7s94/Letitia%20M.%20Kimball%20-%20Keys%20To%20Successful%20OBE.pdf?dl=0

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3. What you WILL Find in the Astral/Dream Worlds/Realms is NOT AT ALL ROMANTIC/NICE, is a Very Unstable and Conflictive environment, and is More Predatory than the Physical Earth World. Actually Life in Earth is Very Stable and Less Conflictive than what is witnessed and experienced in the Astral/Dream Realms/Worlds, so DON'T Expect to find Much Relief in there if you are unable to Stabilize your Emotions and Fears in the Physical World (Astral Beings are More Ruthless and More Morbid than Human Beings and they will Confront Your Fears Frontally and if you are Not Prepared to Face Them and Face Your Weaknesses They Will Make You Face Them in a Crude Way), so that's one of the reasons why the book of Letitia M. Kimball is ESSENTIAL, as without having the right Emotional/Mental conditions accessing the Astral/Dream Realms/Worlds can be frustrating as the Beings in there are Not Exactly Nice but in many occasions the Opposite (a lot of what is found in this Physical World called Earth but in some cases worse).

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There are many other things to say, but if you READ THE BOOKS then this authors will provide you all of what is required to achieve and make good and useful use of Lucid Dreaming (/Astral Projection).

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My best regards.


Pha Pri Spa (Phasing Primer Spanish/French)

[Yorae]

Read the book of Letitia M. Kimball called "Keys To Successful OBE" as it is ESSENTIAL to change many things required to be able to have Astral Projections (/Lucid Dreams), the links to it are below.

Keys To Successful OBE
www.4shared.com/office/pesE2pQjce/Letitia_M_Kimball_-_Keys_To_Su.html
www.dropbox.com/s/rorzs1kmw1n7s94/Letitia%20M.%20Kimball%20-%20Keys%20To%20Successful%20OBE.pdf?dl=0


I quote some of the text of another Post that might be of help.


My best regards.


Pha Pri Spa (Phasing Primer Spanish/French)

Thank you for your kind reply/help Pha Pri Spa I shall be having a nice read into the books and see if it will help me to be able to project easier.
I shall give updates in the near future of my condition, at this point I tried again this night without sucess...

Best Regards,

Yorae

[baro-san]

Hello Everyone

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I would like someone to give me their opinions from what I just explained and from their experiences, while I know maybe most of that I said is affecting my projection rate I would like insight and to hopefully with some tips to get back in track eventually, lastly it's always nice to hear from others who also practice and/or have more experience which gives a nice moral boost, most people I know in real life I can't talk about this, and while I have full support of let's say my girlfriend she doesn't practice due to lack of interest so she can't help me much here...

I thank everyone in advance for your insights and sorry for the long text and also sorry if posted this in wrong section wasnt sure which one to put it on...

Take care everyone and speak to you soon.

I just read this on Bob Peterson's blog, and I thought that it might be of use to you.

Recently I got an email from a guy who asked: Which of Michael Raduga's "cycling" techniques do I find most effective?

In his book The Phase, Raduga recommends the WBTB technique, then upon awakening, "cycling" for 3 - 5 seconds from these exit techniques:
Rotation - Imagine you are spinning around inside your body.
Observing images - Watch hypnagogic images that appear before you.
Hand visualization - Visualize your hands.
Swimmer technique - Pretend you're in the water, swimming.
Phantom wiggling - Try to imagine a part of your astral body is moving; a little at first, but then it increases. He recommends your little finger.
He offers some alternates, but these are the main ones.
He also recommends starting every cycle by trying to instantly relocate to your mirror, which is a variation of the "Target Technique."

Well, I never really use the Target Technique. It's never worked for me. I also don't visualize my hands. The problem with these two techniques is that there's no motion. Even the "observing (hypnagogic) images" technique alone isn't enough to take me out-of-body: I've got to use them for motion (more on that later).

The bottom line is: I've always found it most effective to use motion-based OBE techniques, since long before I read Raduga's book. I always need a feeling of motion to dislodge me from my body:

Prerequisites
Before I begin any technique, I do three basic things:

First, I relax my body completely. I relax it to the point where I can't even feel it anymore.

Second, I approach the edge of sleep and try to hold my mind as blank/still and single-minded as I can. I "quiesce" my mind. (Do not let your thoughts wander or you'll be drawn down into sleep).

Third, I pretend I'm swaying. I imagine I'm in my astral body, gently floating and swaying inside my physical body, like a liquid sloshing back and forth inside a half-full bottle.

If done well enough, this can be enough to induce the vibrations and subsequent OBE state. More often, though, I tell myself that the swaying sensation will continue without any conscious effort, then I begin my exit technique.

My Motion Techniques

Long before Raduga, I was taking techniques like "phantom wiggling" to a greater extreme. So instead of "phantom wiggling," which I usually find too subtle, I do one of these techniques:

Rocking Motion Forward-Backward

I imagine I'm rocking more and more, like in a rocking chair or I'm taking a bow. This is an extension to the swaying/sloshing sensation I mentioned earlier.

Rocking Motion Side-to-Side

This technique is very similar, but I imagine I'm rocking from side-to-side. For example, I imagine I'm standing, but leaning to the right, then to the left, repeatedly.

Swinging Arms

I imagine swinging both my astral arms in large swooping motions (my physical arms remain immobile at my sides.) This motion is similar to what a cross-country skier does with his or her poles.

Elbow Push

I imagine someone is forcefully pushing my right elbow down into the bed, then the left elbow down, then right, then left, repeatedly. In other words, I alternate my arms so I get a sense of being rocked from side-to-side. It's almost like being rocked in a baby cradle.

Yoyo Technique

I try to imagine not so much a yoyo, but non-physical energy (chi, prana, etc.), extending from my third eye area, then retracting again, in a repeating motion.

I have another technique that involves my feet, but I'll save that for a later article.

Like Raduga, I often cycle through these techniques. If the first one gets no results, I switch to another. Raduga recommends switching every 3 to 5 seconds, but I tend to focus on a technique much longer, like 15 or even 30 seconds each.

I often cycle through many of these techniques at random, unlike Raduga, who recommends you focus on just two or three. I tend to not plan which of these motion techniques I use; I just flip randomly between them.

Often, my brain wants a reason for my (imagined) rocking or swaying. So I provide it with a "plausible enough" explanation, not with words, but with an idea, like "I'm swaying because I'm swinging my arms" or "I'm rocking because someone's pushing on my elbows."

More than Observing Images


More often than not, I fall back on the technique described in chapter 24 of my first book, which involves controlling a hypnagogic (or visualized) object and swinging it back and forth. Again, this is like Raduga's "observing images" but I'm controlling the images, not just observing them.

I imagine a strong gravity between my non-physical swaying and the object's swaying. Then I swing it closer and closer until it's close enough to pull me out-of-body with its gravity. With that method, the explanation idea is "There's an object and its gravity is pulling me out."

Technical Notes

There's no magic here. Your brain determines your spacial location and "story of experience" from the data it receives. Total relaxation cuts off almost all input from the senses, so they can't be used to determine spacial location. Your imagination provides the brain an alternate set of data to interpret.

All OBE induction techniques are just a way to trick your brain into changing its "story of experience" to trigger the separation.

Once separated, you can return your mind to its normal state of thinking and feeling, and you're free to consciously roam and explore the out-of-body state.

No, I'm not saying it's all inside your brain. I'm saying you need to fool your brain's spacial location mechanism in order to get to the proper state of mind. All these visualizations are just a way to trick your stubborn and over-conditioned brain into trading stories of experience from a physical to a non-physical one. They're just a means to an OBE-end.

Bob Peterson
29 August 2017

[Selski]

Nice post baro - thanks for sharing it. 

[Phildan1]

Welcome!

You are maybe under pressure in many ways in your life and you are trying to force something which is not working now because of that. That is my view on this. You could try to program your subconscious before falling asleep naturally with present self-suggestions. Like "I will be fully aware after my body fell asleep". And just fall into sleep. You will be aware after some hours of NP adventures maybe. It may work, maybe after weeks. Everybody is different.

This one works for me quite well, but projecting/phasing directly from the physical is not yet, because I have so much crap in my private life still I guess.
But it is a well known issue from many people here too, that when they got more physical life related crap on their shoulders, they had difficulty being calm and doing it without forcing.

[Yorae]

Hello again guys

I wanted to thank for the nice replies of PhaPriSpa, Baro-san and Phildan1 first.

The day PhaPriSpa replied to me I tried to read the pdf that were linked to me and apply their advices in my tries to project, while I wasnt able to project yet, I think that thanks to it I started to feel a little better emotionally and more in touch with it.

What  I did that day was that I read the pdfs and tried to apply their advices in my routine, also I watched some videos about astral projection I had downloaded from Lucidology 101 ( can find them on youtube) and also I listened to some shamanic Drum Trance music for 1 hour, while I also have Binaural Beats I felt like shamanic drumming sessions this time... I tried to feel the music and relax, while I didnt project I felt a pre vibration state starting from my feet comming up but I lost it due to disturbances in the room( pets ) I was happy either way with the results... was long I felt so in peace too...

I tried during the night to project but then again I wasnt confortable enought, think the bed is a problem even my partner complains she cant sleep well in it, but I felt more ready to have an OBE than I been in months... so I guess I just need to keep praticing and not rush it, today was also medidating outside listening to the birds and taking some sun light was relaxing... I think I need to remove my problems temporaly if can have any chances at it... then I keep reminding myself I am awake/aware during the day.

I want to thank you Baro-san for the nice information you sent here, I will be applying it to my projection tries from now on too, I also need something where I feel movement, I have tried before and I always felt something was happening, but my problem was I wasnt passive enought mentaly my mind wandered... need to work on that still...

And also wanted to thank you Phildan1 for your opinion which is greatly appreciated! also yeah I think I been forcing it which doesnt make it come easy... I will try to follow your advice and program my subconscious before falling asleep...I remember as a kid I used to do this self suggestions a lot and they worked often for me to have lucid dreams... so I need to try to do it again

As a plus this night I could recall very well a dream I had, every detail, I didnt write it down since didnt want to wake up my girlfriend/partner but I stayed awake a while to make sure was well registered in my mind... was so much I even had another dream I was writting the details on paper lol... anyways I was happy because my dream recalls have been very lacking this past months due to tireness and stress...

Anyways I will keep posting my progress and checking the answers too, also reading sometimes what others post to get some insight and maybe sometime hopefully can help somehow with information... take care all and see you all around

[Phildan1]

You're welcome. Please feel free to contact me via PM if you need some help.

I think You should not make yourself confused with PDFs and binaurals after you simply know the fact, that you could do it before without them. What newbies are doing for first is read all of the stuff on the web, and making their position even much worse. I did the same and needed to forget just everything to see clearly what is this all about and realised, I have my own natural method to achieve conscious travels through sleep cycles.

The solution is simple, you should calm down, get back positive emotions and know that nothing will stop you, but I guess some running programs are still on the background in your mind and they need to be eliminated or solved.

[baro-san]

I believe that motivation is one of the most important ingredients for success with these experiences, much more than any technique. Curiosity, entertainment aren't motivational enough. An emotional element is needed.

[Yorae]

Thank you Baro-san and Phildan1

I think you guys are right about what I should be doing... seeing it this days, even though I couldnt project I could feel something was already different with me... so I am sure motivation plays a big part for sure... I have to also make it like a thing that makes part of my everyday life...

About the pdfs and binaural beats yeah I understand... I am getting more information in my mind and feels sorta like many roads of learning and action... when I already had a method that worked well before I think I should really concentrate in that one right now and remember what made it work so well before... also my lifestyle before for sure played a good part on it... by the way I heard about methods with sleep cycles like you talked about, some that worked on a timer clock or so, would like to try that sometime.

I didnt have any sucess this last night but I am positive I will get back to where I was with time and I am thankful for all the tips, help and opinions of you people here.

[Yorae]

Hello again all.

I wasnt able to consciently project yet but in my last nights I been having dreams I been remembering better the details, the first night I wanted to write it down but since didnt want to wake up my partner I just stayed awake a while and tried to register it all into my mind to write in the morning... saddly when I woke up in the morning I had forgotten most of the details.

Second night though I had a big dream and was able to remember it all and wrote all the details in a dream jornal I started to make now... I was also able to partly be conscient and do things I wanted to do, in the end I realised I was dreaming  but was mere seconds from waking up already saddly.

I been having some phenomena related to OOBE in terms of feeling my "body" vibrate a bit before falling asleep but I lose conscience after that saddly or someone or pet wakes me up when I am actually staying aware and focused on my intentions lol... cant say our home makes it easy for me to project sometimes and thats why I started to try to practise alone during the day and such too...

Anyways just wanted to give a little update, will say more when more progress is made, now that I realise though another reason I stopped to practise before was because our home with the pets and my partner didnt make it always easy for me to do it hehe, but I will find a way around it now since I am really interested to improve and explore deeper.

[Yorae]

Hello everyone, its been a while, I have been absent due to real life taking over a lot and also was looking for my answers in myself.

Took a little of time but I finally got back into being able to project  myself... instead of reading more about it or so I started to try to find what was blocking it , started to meditate, and ofcourse thanks to all of you, but specially thanks to Phildan1 who I been chatting with since then I was able to realise the problem was in myself.

Everyday's problems were taking over my mind a lot and so even if busy I tried to meditate everyday and specially every night and have a more positive outlook into "life", I also recently started to get back into things I liked to do before, like yoga and gym classes in Sweden which I wasnt able before for nearly 2 years since we were trying to make a life in Portugal which didnt work out.

Anyways again I got into meditation and realised that where before I used to be crappy at it and feel nothing or just fall asleep, now I could actually meditate properly the more I did it... now I can feel my body going numb in seconds very relaxed where I even stop feeling anything, like a heavy blanket on top of me and many times my awareness seems to be fading away from my physical with floating away sensations or just dont feel physical anymore... also been times I seen the white color a lot when my eyes are shut which I believe would be my chakras, also seen red and others but mostly the white I noticed a lot... and ofcourse the vibrations at many times.


From all this maybe 1 week ago I finally started to be able to project by myself, from meditation with silencing my mind and then also while sleeping using sleep cycles or while "dreaming", but specially by meditation or sleep cycles... now I am just writting to say I am back in track now so people know there is a good conclusion to my situation and I will keep practising it now.

I hope with this someone who finds themselfs in similar situation I was can find the same or similar answer to their problem... in the end the thing that was blocking me from being able to project was myself... I had to "solve" my problems that mentally affected me everyday even those that were more subconscious that I didnt realise before where there...  also started to try be more positive and responsible in my actions in my day to day life but I think thats more like a nice side effect belonging to who I truly am and want to be.

So thank you for all of you who took interest and tried to help me out.

Take care and see you all around.

[Phildan1]

You are very welcomed and you just only started : )

Our daily excrement and concerns are stopping us in most of the times. This one may benefit others to realize, they are blocking out the results. If we are under life pressure, we just can't fully concentrate on relaxing deep enough.

Good job my friend and keep up!