Do animal use LOA

[NoY]

i saw a small spider in my kitchen its web was like 2 strands that's all no circle or anything impressive

so i looked at it and i said well your not going to catch much with that are you, 90 seconds later a small fly flew in and landed right on the web and i could not believe that the 0.0001% of the kitchen with a web was the one place it went,

i figure its like in Wayne's world "if you build it they will come"

so do animals use the law of attraction ?

:NoY:

[Stillwater]

Well... I think there could be a lot going on behind the scenes in a biological sense that made the spider's two-strand web a better bet than it may have appeared.

For instance, perhaps very simply, there was very high fly traffic in that spot, and the spider had some way of chemicly knowing that.

Or maybe only a few flies, by virtue of their erratic flight patterns, still had a fairly significant chance to hit the small window of the web.

Or maybe the spider was attracting the flies with chemical pheremones.

Biology is an amazing thing all on its own, that it can account for all manner of impressive feats like your master-fisherman spider without any assitance; in that sense, it seems like we might get by without recourse to metaphysics in this case.

What mechanism would you suggest animals are using to make use of the "Law of Attraction"?

[NoY]

maybe just them thinking about food manifested the fly


:NoY:

[Stillwater]

As an explanatory device, the LOA does bring up a lot of questions to me.

For instance, if a rapist is thinking about rape, does the universe manifest a victim at the proper time? If so, what happened to the victim, were they not thinking about their desire not to be raped strongly enough, and the rapist won the metaphysical battle of wills?

Because in the situation of the fly and the spider, there clearly is a winning party... it raises the question of whether psi-influenced events with conflicting interests at stake merely come down to such a battle of wills... because that to me makes the "Law of Attraction" sound a lot like what Nietzsche called "The Will to Power", where the strongest-willed party will ultimately win out and impose their desires on their surroundings.

If that is how the LOA works, it certainly sounds like there is an element of brutality at work; if it is otherwise, I wonder how the LOA answers questions like the above...

I am not criticizing your argument here, so much as thinking out loud about the implications of LOA-thinking 

[WiZe]

Maybe they do. I'm sure they know what their 'intentions' are when they create a web.
Maybe your belief on a small web not catching much helped manifest that small probability of the fly getting caught in the web.
Maybe the universe is trying to show us that the size of the object isn't what matters, but the size of our belief. As you believed a small web wouldn't catch anything. (idk how strong your belief in that was, but I'm guessing pretty strong because mine would be)

If that is how the LOA works, it certainly sounds like there is an element of brutality at work

Maybe the fly knows it's place in the universe and accepts the fact, and is completely satisfied, that it's time for it to become a meal for the spider (if going by Stillwater's view point, not saying that the victim knows they're going to get raped but if the victim is thinking of ANYTHING about rape, whether it be about not getting raped or getting raped, then it's within their window because they created the possiblity of rape. They think it, their karma reaps it.)

Lots of possibilities

[NoY]

you both made good points 


:NoY:

[Szaxx]

Hi,
In a cold dark room at work a spider built a web. My thoughts were your going hungry. Months later it was big and the web area full of flies carcasses. They must know something we dont.

[Mini stapler]

Maybe there's an infinite amount of realities where that fly misses that spiders web by various amounts of distances, with you thinking "dumb spider, should of made a bigger web  " does that make the fly getting caught, inevitable, it had to happen? or rather it had to happen in every possible way shape and form, and you just happen to be aware in the reality where it got caught. Would that make every interaction inevitable... . Maybe there is a reality where I actually say something that makes sense...  that would be a nice change of pace LMAO

[Stillwater]

Sounds like a parallel universes imply infinite possibilities sort of argument.

And you picked a superior name... the effect would be greatly multiplied by an avatar...

[Mini stapler]

haha I tried to upload an avatar the other day but it wouldn't work for some reason I'm so having that as my avatar though, if I can get it to work, cheers stillwater! 

[Fourthdimension]

Good post I enjoyed reading everyones input but despite our belief that the spider has will power to enable the Loa ect ect Do insects feel emotion or pain:
http://en.allexperts.com/q/Entomology-Study-Bugs-665/insects-feel-pain.

Do they know what they want or have 'a plan'? if not then how can the spider will something using willpower if they dont know what they want? can spiders even think?

Maybe larger animals can make use of Loa but I think still water was right when she mentioned the phermones

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider#Methods_of_capturing_prey

I also liked reading about the paralell realities

Thanks NOY and everyone

[Xanth]

We are animals.  Animals have consciousness.
I don't believe the law of attraction is limited to just the human animal.
I believe it to be an aspect of conscious awareness.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Going back some years, the general consensus was any organism without a nervous system has no feelings and cannot percieve emotions. As this category typically means very small creatures one finds the development of their brains to be primitive and therefore autonomous reactions prevail. As our reaction time is one sixth of a second ,slow as in animals, the non nervous system life forms react within hundreths of a second depicting no thinking time exists. This is the assumption for insects bacteria etc being emotion free.
I then thought of cold blooded life forms but some of these may not be party to the above.(snakes, crocks...)

[Xanth]

I think that every that is consciousness chose to experience this reality in the form which they're experiencing it.  A bacteria... an insect... a human.  All consciousness, all experiencing this reality in a slightly different way, with a slightly different perspective. 
Science is slow... it'll catch up one day.  LoL