Art of Seduction: approaching women

[Mustardseed]

Still waiting with baited breadth, for this most interesting and revealing conversation to turn into a OBE  related issue. I am sure you catch my drift Frank

Regards Mustardseed

PS there should be a tongue-in-cheek emoticon , since there is not this will have to do

[Souljah333]

very cheeky MustardSeed, but so far this is one thread (ironically) that has not been infiltrated by twelve year olds

plus...i just can't deny a man seeking advice in the art of seducing women.

Kazbadan I know "THAT FACE"!!!
   Since you have gained my respect & understanding. I will when I find the
   time PM you and share the "secrets" to seduction. What the hell

333

[Hans Solo]

I don't even know where to start, but here goes:

1. Masculine Vs. Feminine men and getting girls.

 Personally, as I have stated in my other post I am extremely good with women.  However, I have a good balance between both energies.  For instance, I am a very trendy dresser, have immaculate nails, teeth, breath, trendy hair, and wear very nice shoes.  Some purely masculine men would say this is "metrosexual", however my energy is very charismatic so I can get away with cocky and funny.  However, I also have a very masculine sexual energy that the women can feel.  I radiate this by taking the lead in the interaction. Kind of a Brad Pitt vibe (when he is not in mountain man mode), pretty boy but masculine at the same time.  Sometimes I just grab her hand and taking her to another, more quiet, part of the the club away from her friends. THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS IS MYSTERY and he has a very feminine vibe (although he is 6'4).  www.mysterymethod.com

2. Really loving women VS. getting stepped on

SoulJah's post hit on some VERY good points that the novice Venusian artist (pick up artist) fails to realize.  YOU HAVE TO ADORE WOMEN TO TRUELY GET COCKY AND FUNNY (C&F) and make it work.  For instance, I can establish what I call a "heart connection" with a women very fast and start pulling C&F and she knows I am joking (or am I).  You see, most amateurs try cocky and funny and  just comes off as them trying to put down a women in order to raise their own value.  Women can see right through this and will not take kindly to it.  You have to do it in a charismatic way, and she will know its only flirting.  However, I also have an "I could care less" vibe.  All this means is that I am secure in myself to not be so outcome dependent on the interaction.  Women love secure men.

However, you have to let the women know that you respect yourself and will not be a doormat.  You have to set boundaries right off the bat.  If a women does something during an interaction that I don't like I will do a "freeze-out".  This is wear I will literally turn my back on them, they will feel embarrassed and will turn you around and say sorry.  Sometimes I even say "I don't tolerate second class behavior from anybody" and then start talking to another person.  The girls will always come back and apologize.  Lesson learned.

3. Greatest lesson

Find the "flow" and all the techniques just naturally happen.  You become Casanova with out thinking about it.

Use the force, feel the flow,

Han Solo

[Kazbadan]

Tyler Durden? Are you him Hans Solo?!


I know that in its most basic form its all about the "flow" or, "energy" as i call it.

In the days that i am really in a good mood, with that vibe that you know, it seem s that women are more atracted to me. What i am trying to learn now, ots hot to get that vibe, that energy flow. I want that energy, because i feel so much better in my life (not speaking about women). I am learning how to reach it.

TO me, thats more important than to get any women.

[Souljah333]

i know on the surface this thread has little to do with the astral. i know people are checking in, but not bothering to reply...Hans, it was good of you to offer some male advice that was wasn't too biased. you ALSO made some good points. there is definitely a cosmic energy that can be tapped into where everything flows, and there's nothing else compared to it, and we are all searching for it Kazbadan. it's what makes the hunt more thrilling then the kill, and it's definitely a worthwhile hobby...learning to wield it whenever.

i don't put much faith in systems, or in scholars & experts. i'm extremely leery of experts of any kind, especially ones with too many words, numbers, excuses, and conclusions. i do however love the "force" and in the company of anyone that's "tapped" in...i'm helpless!
i guess that's what i was talking about when i used the words "charisma" = being one with the force..and "substance" = being one with yourself. it's all a delicate spiders web one walks like a tightrope. the web is designed in the feminine, and every step is masculine in  intention...and together it's a wonderful ying-yang dance. using bradd pitt as an example (albeit he's a definite "looker" which can make it easier & more difficult at once) he embodies "unlimited" potential. there is nothing that "defines" him/boxes him in. he is the non-threatening little boy, the boy next door, the hero, the artist, the greasy-handed mr. fix it, the connoisseur, the predator, the prey, and the dormant serial-killer all rolled into one (and so much more). the most sensuous photos i've ever seen, were of him in a dress. (VERY SEXY).  so i believe that that is very much part of it as well...drawing on everything and pulling it together into one dynamic force...and pulling it into being. it a worthy profession, that calls on intense training. i don't believe its something that can be done in separate steps, but involves a unification of everything one is. and that one thing taking deliberate/intentional & humble steps forward...straining, but never losing the connection that is the cosmic force. if anything separates us from animals it is this "action" of "stepping out", reaching hold of whatever comes into our path, and introducing it as a gift...back into the "collective"...and the function should be as natural as breathing. the force can't be forced and to me that makes it a natural art. there is no right or wrong way to go about it, utilize it...it's divinely perfect. it's the participation mystique.

yada-yada-yada
333

[Souljah333]

and maybe it's in knowing that the connection NEVER can be broken?!? and that no matter how far one goes, how deep one dives, or high one jumps... no matter what one does...they're connection is the only constant. if you can trust in that...then there are no limits. something in that free-abandon...that mystery that causes one to radiate secure-ness in any situation...is always attractive!

[Hans Solo]

Tyler Durden? Are you him Hans Solo?!

No, I am not TD. He is one of the gurus whose advice I utilize and study.  I am much better looking than Tyler Durden.  *For anyone not in the seduction community Tyler Durden is just a name handle (like hans solo is for me here) of a Pick up Guru (PUAG).*  Although, I am very good, he could probably still blow me out of the water 90% of the time.  I will become as good as TD in the near future.  I will learn from Mystery and TD, and take their "bootcamps" just to learn from the best.  Then people will want to learn from LukeSkyWalker (me).

Kazbadan

Both TD and Mystery are coming out with their EBooks in the near future.  I can't wait for these 2 ebooks and Franks ebook to come out.  Also, look for products coming out from Swinggcat (I loved his ebook).

TDs: www.realsocialdynamics.com
Mystery:  www.mysterymethod.com
Swinggcat: www.realworldseduction.com

use the force, feel the flow,

Han Solo

[Kazbadan]

thanks.

I thought that mystery already had an ebook.

btw, Frank, if you are reading this, sorry but i just cant send you the file that i spoke to you...

my stupid email its just like that...its always gives me an error message when sending the file.

(sorry for th off topic)

[Tom]

www.yousendit.com is the best place to go when e-mail doesn't work for sending files. It is free and it takes up to 1 GB files, but I try to stay under 100 MB to avoid having my connections broken for uploading and downloading. They hold files up to 7 days on their server for retrieval.

I seem to recall the name Tyler Durden in the movie "Fight Club"?

The book "The Celestine Prophecy" talks about energy being masculine or feminine, but so far I have not had much luck in determining one from the other. It is the same with yin and yang energy with some chi kung exercises. Maybe energy doesn't really have polarity this way?

[Kazbadan]

Thanks for the tip Tom

Frank, tomorrow i will try to send you that...i am too tired today (sorry).


I dont know almost anything about yin and yang but i suppose that the polarity of energy on that view its about positive energy and negative one. I think that there is only one kind of energy (if you forget the negative one). Its the positive energy.

Just my modest opinion...i really dont know nothing about that stuff.

[Kazbadan]

F***!!! I Just sent the filebut it seems that  its avaible now for everyone!

Maybe i am f***** now!! The file its not legal (you should buy it 1st)...now what?

Tom, is the file avaible for everyone?!?

Am i "burned"?!

[Tom]

When you send the file, you give it the e-mail address of the person you want it sent to. That person gets a notification by e-mail to pick up the file. You get a link to go to and an e-mail notification if you provided your e-mail address. If you want other people to have access to it, you have to share the link it gives you or the person you send it to has to share the link. It is very secure. I have done the same thing you have, sending copyrighted material, and never had a problem.

[Frank]

Tom:

Thanks for facilitating that, received no problem!

Yours,
Frank

[Kazbadan]

TOm, thanks again! For moments i thought that i would have a problem!

Frank, glad to know that finally you have the file.

Tell me what you think about it later.

[Kazbadan]

Coming back to the conversation about girls...


i am not a guy of falling in love but i fall in love for a girl that already has a BF (boyfriends)...i didnt knew that at the time.

Now there is this other girl that i think its in love with me but i am not interested in her (she is a little boring) and besides that i am in love with the other (so stupid i am).

The other girl (the one with BF) she really enjoys my presence and if she hasnt a BF i would say that she was almost starting to get in love with me too (i can see that).

Now i just dont know what to do...which one i choose? i am gonna cry, lol! i only have stupid things like that in my life...., lol!

[Hans Solo]

Use a boyfriend destroyer on her, this is how (quick overview): for more info check out fastseduction.com {search BF destroyer}.  This will not work if they have only been dating a month-if that is the case leave it alone.  They are probably still in the star crossed lovers mode.


1.  Tell her how you think that she and her boyfriend are PERFECT together.  Tell her how it is so cute how he full fills ALL of her needs and will do ANYTHING for her (really play this up).  "I mean he is always like (in a wimpy, but as if you think it is cute,  voice say) " Are you ok baby, is there anything I can do to help?" Continue with " I could see you guys getting married in a year.  You guys would have the PERFECT marriage, I mean you would probably have 4 kids soon after and settle down."

"I really envy you guys.  You see, I am so different than that, you would hate to be with a guy like me right now.  All I want to do is have fun with women, take them cool places, enjoy the more simple things with them, and learn what really drives women wild.  I think so many guys are satisfied with just getting off (sexually).  I hate that attitude, I want to be able to drive a women wild both sexually and emotionally."  I guess I am just not ready for marriage LIKE YOUR BOYFRIEND PROBABLY IS"

(this conversation will make her long for the simpler days when she just dated and didn't have to worry about marriage.  If you really play up the marriage thing she will probably get scared and will become more distant to her boyfriend.  DON'T LET HER KNOW THAT YOU LIKE HER-Only THAT THERE IS A CHANCE THAT YOU GUYS COULD GET TOGETHER AFTER SHE BREAKS UP WITH HIM (if she already knows your feelings YOU messed up)  She will also long to be with someone who actually wants to know what pleases a women.

2.  DATE AS MANY OTHER GIRLS AS POSSIBLE (most important)

 DO NOT ACT AS IF YOU ARE HOLDING OUT FOR HER---THAT IS THE HIGHEST ORDER OF WUSS BEHAVIOR!

 This also show that you are in high demand and she better act quickly.

GFTOW-look up this acronym on fastseduction.com

3.  Be C&F around her.  

4.  Be more "alpha male" than her Boyfriend.  Never directly insult him, you never know if they will stay together.  
RULE: NEVER SAY DIRECTLY WHAT YOU CAN ALLUDE TO.

5.  ALWAYS HAVE FUN AROUND HER, act like you don't care, visualize success.  Dont become stiff around her and be afaid to say something because "you LOVE her" --that is the surest way to lose a girl.  You have to act non attached to the outcome, and the outcome you desire will manifest.  In fact, when meditating act as if you are already with her, and visualize explict romantic scenes with her.  Really feel the touch, see her squirm,etc--really get into it.  This is good for manifesting reality, and you just may find yourself in FZero like I did the other night.  If you can do this in the Astral then by all means do that (visualization on steriods).

 you see her boyfriend is probably boring by now and doesn't want to go out much anymore.  He thinks "why should i go out if I have sex at home" (bad move on his part).  You have to SHOW to her that you will be more fun than him.  (THERE HAS TO BE A REASON FOR HER TO BREAK UP WITH HIM).

 Talk to her as if he is THE perfect boyfriend and SHE will tell you, thereby making the case for you, that he really is not that good of a boyfriend.  You see, she may not really like her boyfriend too much, but she may be in a comfort zone.  So, you need to make that comfort zone uncomfortable by alluding to the threat of marriage (if she is young), her boyfriend is not fulfilling her needs, and showing her how desirable you are to other women.  

6.  show her what she is missing by not being with you

-Invite her to exciting things.  For example cliff diving (you do live in Portugal don't you). Dangerous things.  The kind of things she will remember the rest of your life.  If you both do them the bond will be so strong that her boyfriend will not be able to compete.  IF he goes, make sure you do it first-she will still give you the credit for being exciting.

-Create Mystery surrounding you.  When you have to go give Vague details on what you will be doing, but in a way that says "I may be doing something bad, or dangerous with another girl" This will keep you in her mind when you are gone. OR, create a secret that ONLY you two know about, and talk about it in whispers (make sure it is cool or you will look like a fool).  Women love secrets and inside jokes.  This will give her the feeling she is doing something wrong but exciting (think affair).

-Weave fascinating stories with sensory rich detail.  WATCH DON JUAN DEMARCO the movie to get an idea.  Talk about everyday life in an extraordinary way, but only give her a taste and never repeat a story for her.  Make her beg for more.

--If she starts talking about you two getting together, tell her "You could'nt handle a guy like me, I mean, you and your boyfriend are so tame together"  She will long to prove you wrong, plus you just made her boyfriend look pathetic in an indirect way.  

7. If she starts talking about her relationship problems, she is probably either, or both: Same rules apply

--. Wants a therapist:  RULE: NEVER BE THE THERAPIST.  Simply Tell her that you think they are perfect together because they are the SAME.  Then, use a behavior  of his (to illustrate your point) that you know she probably HATES.  For instance, I used this one a couple of months ago:

Me:  I think you guys are perfect.  How many people just love to sit around and play video games TOGETHER all the time.  Its just so cute how YOU LOVE to just sit there and watch him play for like hours on end.  I could never do that.  I love to get out of the house and paint the town....red (cocky smile)

Her: I HATE WHEN HE PLAYS VIDEO GAMES!! That is the worst.  He never wants to do anything.

Me:  Well, If you were cooler, and didn't play video games so much,  I would invite you to hang out with my friends and I when we go out.  However, only if you are fun.

HER:  I am SOOO fun

Me:  Ok, but don't expect a long walk on the beach, and Defiantly no hot steamy make out session, ok?

Her:   Blah, blah ,blah

------. If she is fishing to see if you like her:  use the same technique as above, and NEVER TELL HER YOU LIKE HER.  She will get the point (that she may have a chance) with duologue like above.

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if the reader is not young like Kaz, then say that it is so cool that she doesn't care that he is still a flirt (allude to the fact that he is a non committal playboy), or how she doens't care that he is ALWAYS on the internet (Looking at porn?, internet romance?)


Use the force, feel the flow,

Han Solo

[Kazbadan]

Hans: "nuggets of gold" its what your words are, lol! good advice thanks. I will make you some questions and some comments about your ideas (and other things):

1)I have another girl chasing me, like i told you. she doesnt atract me ´cause she is a "wussy" needy girl...a little boring. Anyway,  do you think that i should have some "fun" with her just to increase my sexual experience? I meanm it doesnt need to be just sex, it could be more special, but i know that it would be just for onenight or few days since i dont love her. My problem is that i would hurt her...i am not like that (hurting people)..she loves me (i am not being arrogant...i am 90% shure of that). How could i have sex with her in this way...having sex and leave her alone after that? how can i say to her that its just an "temporary" dating? when i speak that way with her she gets even more crazy with me. GIve me some insgights on this.


2) coming back to the goddess (the other second girl) with BF...if she is able to cheat her BF with me (she is not at now...lucky would be me) she will be able to cheat me too in the future. If a girl leaves a BF that easy, with same ease she would let me alone. Even if you say that she wouldnt leave me because i am not wussy, remember that:

a) i would never be shure of her loyalty since she betrayed the BF.

b) if a real pick up masteer, a real Don Juan meet her (and she is my GF) she would leave me...imagine: she left the BF ´cause he was a wussy (supposition..she is with the BF yet). Now, with the Don Juan guy i would be like a wussy too when compared with him...so she would leave me. No? GIrls can cheat very easly thei BFs.

c) like in any other relationship, i will have my "wussy" moments and moments in which i will be tired of things (stressed life, etc) and that can be a good moment for her cheating me or finding another BF, since she has made the same in past (i mean: she left the BF because he was wussy,etc)

3. I think that she may really like her BF for some indirect clues: we speak a lot and we have fun with each other i can say she likes me a little, but (there is always a but )....when we speak she never speaks about her life and even less about her BF. She never tells if he is fat or thin, tall or small...nothing...i know the name because i asked..just that. Besides that, before i knew that she was "married" shw never spoke about a BF, even when i was teasing her a lot or when i was "pushing" to much (really, if she hasnt the BF i think that at this our we would be dating...we play so much with each other! she is lovely). These are clues that she likes her BF because she never says a word about her life (thats strange) and even less about her BF. I found that she has a BF because i asked to her directly (in the right context without being a wussy).

4) About being fun and different, i think that she find that by hersefl..in fact i dont pretend to be what i am not...i really enjoy different things and have different  dreams. I speak in my wish of flying (parashuts) i say to her that every weekend i am at partys with friends dancing and laughing all the night (truth too), etc...so thats not a problem (btw, i really live in Portugal). When i am with her we have lors of fun (and we are in the work..i am with her only in that occasions). Even when we are in the middle of a reunion we play a lot and laugh: i tickle her in the ribs, she stoles me objects, i draw on her hand with a pen just for "boring" her, etc. I do that not in a "faked" way but with pleasure and confidence (this is not a question , just a comment).

5) this lead me to other question: sometimes i think i tease her to much...i play a lot with her, busting her ball and being funny and making jokes about her (in a way she likes). She seems to really love that because she answers in the same way, she wents in the game and she is cocky and funny too. The problem is that i play so much with her that we dont cumpliment each other on anyway. I mean...maybe i am being to "hard". I think i need to make her some cumpliment but that may look like too wussy. What do you say?

6) another random question: what do you think if i speak to her about other girls that are chasing me? would that be to damn cocky?


7) i have little time now. At the end of june i will never see her again (our contract with job ends and we get into seperate ways...besides she lives in a place thats 1 h from my home). I have little time to act. like the song says "its now or never".

PS- what do you mean in the last sentence:  

"if the reader is not young like Kaz, then say that it is so cool that she doesn't care that he is still a flirt (allude to the fact that he is a non committal playboy), or how she doens't care that he is ALWAYS on the internet (Looking at porn?, internet romance?)" my english its not good and i am not shure of the meaning.

PSS- what your nick on fast101?

bye bye and thanks a lot


edit: i write this post very fast and only now i  could see a lot of spell mistakes. sorry guys.

[Hans Solo]

1)I have another girl chasing me, like i told you. she doesn't attract me ´cause she is a "wussy" needy girl...a little boring. Anyway, do you think that i should have some "fun" with her just to increase my sexual experience? I meanm it doesnt need to be just sex, it could be more special, but i know that it would be just for onenight or few days since i dont love her. My problem is that i would hurt her...i am not like that (hurting people)..she loves me (i am not being arrogant...i am 90% shure of that). How could i have sex with her in this way...having sex and leave her alone after that? how can i say to her that its just an "temporary" dating? when i speak that way with her she gets even more crazy with me. GIve me some insgights on this

 I can't really tell you what to do her  because I am often in the same position as you, and think about this alot (like with a girl right now).  I also don't like hurting anyone, but you have to remember girls like to mess around too.  Sometimes it is just our ego saying " I don't want to hurt this girl because she REALLY likes me too much--when she could just be physically attracted to you"  You have to calibrate your actions with your belief structures, but I say go for it--I probably will too.

2) coming back to the goddess (the other second girl) with BF...if she is able to cheat her BF with me (she is not at now...lucky would be me) she will be able to cheat me too in the future. If a girl leaves a BF that easy, with same ease she would let me alone. Even if you say that she wouldn't leave me because i am not wussy, remember that:

a) i would never be sure of her loyalty since she betrayed the BF.

b) if a real pick up masteer, a real Don Juan meet her (and she is my GF) she would leave me...imagine: she left the BF ´cause he was a wussy (supposition..she is with the BF yet). Now, with the Don Juan guy i would be like a wussy too when compared with him...so she would leave me. No? GIrls can cheat very easly thei BFs.

There is a saying that says "women are like monkeys, they won't leave one branch unless they have a firm grip on another".  Women are emotional and you have to know that there are some men out there that can push their buttons.  However, don't get jaded on women like Tyler Durden.  There are good ones out there, but in the mean time get to know as many women as you can, so you will know when a good one comes along.  You can ensure loyalty (as much as possible) by maintaining your attractiveness to the women.  This means be unpredictable, fun, adventurous, C&F, and never become a wussy.

3. I think that she may really like her BF for some indirect clues: we speak a lot and we have fun with each other i can say she likes me a little, but (there is always a but Smile)....when we speak she never speaks about her life and even less about her BF. She never tells if he is fat or thin, tall or small...nothing...i know the name because i asked..just that. Besides that, before i knew that she was "married" shw never spoke about a BF, even when i was teasing her a lot or when i was "pushing" to much (really, if she hasnt the BF i think that at this our we would be dating...we play so much with each other! she is lovely). These are clues that she likes her BF because she never says a word about her life (thats strange) and even less about her BF. I found that she has a BF because i asked to her directly (in the right context without being a wussy).

I think this is a good sign.  This tells me she is passed the "star crossed lovers stage" and probably is now in the bestfriend who occasionally have sex stage (or long term relationship stage).  This is when to use my BF destroyer stuff.  Just keep your ears open to anything she says about ther BF, then play on it.  For instance, if she says something good about him then talk about them getting married and her having 6 kids.  If she says something bad about him, just keep it in the back of your mind, and then at a later date do something along the lines of the video game dialog in my last post.

5) this lead me to other question: sometimes i think i tease her to much...i play a lot with her, busting her ball and being funny and making jokes about her (in a way she likes). She seems to really love that because she answers in the same way, she wents in the game and she is cocky and funny too. The problem is that i play so much with her that we dont cumpliment each other on anyway. I mean...maybe i am being to "hard". I think i need to make her some cumpliment but that may look like too wussy. What do you say?

 All Reformed nice guys come to this fork in the road.  Use C&F like a spice in the conversation.  You can have a real conversation but then out of nowhere hit her with a C&F comment.  Also, sometimes instead of being totally C&F, be playful.  Do stuff like thumb wrestling, tickling, etc. Remember, keep her on an emotional rollercoaster.

 

another random question: what do you think if i speak to her about other girls that are chasing me? would that be to damn cocky?

NEVER TELL HER THIS.  SHOW HER THIS, BUT SAY NOTHING! ALLUDE, ALLUDE, ALLUDE.  Keep being mysterious about this.  If she likes you she will want to know about them, but only give her vague answers.  Look at the difference in these two circumstances:

1.  Circumstance: you are out together:

Her:  " Oh my god, That girl was just flirting with you"
YOu: "She obviously wants me" (said in a non chalant, matter of fact way)

this one is C&F because you act like "duh, where have YOU been, all girls love me"

2.  Circumstance : You are out together:

You:  Oh, did I tell you how many girls like me right now
HEr: No
YOu:  Blah, blah, blah


she is thinking you are trying to show off and get her approval-another type of wuss behavior.

It is a fine line, but #1 is ok and #2 is not.

if the reader is not young like Kaz, then say that it is so cool that she doesn't care that he is still a flirt (allude to the fact that he is a non committal playboy), or how she doens't care that he is ALWAYS on the internet (Looking at porn?, internet romance?)" my english its not good and i am not shure of the meaning.

 I knew that other people besides you were probably going to read that post in the future, so I wanted to give them a reversal of the marriage comment.  You see, If an older person is going to do the BF destroyer, then they have to realize that the girl probably WANTS to get married, so you have to change your tactics.  It really had nothing to do with you.

PSS- what your nick on fast101?

 It is LukeSkyWalker.  However, I have only posted 3 or 4 times on that forum, and they were when I was new ( I am much better now)..  So there is nothing on that site of mine that is worth while to read.  I suggest you download Tyler durdens archives, toecutter, Mystery, etc.

Use the force, Feel the flow,
Han SOlo

[Kazbadan]

Thanks Hans.

I read the posts off Tyler and they are of a great help.