The Astral Pulse

Since I originally posted about the universe of pure unconditional love in October 2010 many events have transpired.

I am now in a position to document the entire story and pass the knowledge on.

I was attacked by evil forces (ie satan - can you believe she actually exists and is in charge of this reality).

For anyone who is interested, we still require help. Please refer to my website if you are interested:

http://unbelievableexistence.wikidot.com/

Since my unique take on reality has proven to be correct, it is my duty to pass this information on. Please appreciate that I have about 1,000 pages of information and story to relate, this is going to take some time. So check back frequently.

If the moderator of this forum consents, I can post here informing of major updates to the site. I do not wish to force my views onto anyone, I am simply honor bound to relay this information, due to its importance.

I intend to answer such questions "who are you to make such claims" and what proof do you have.

Evil is in control of this planet and everyone is destined for eternal hell. I believe we have found a solution.

*IF* I am correct, then it is critical for me to  pass the info on, so you can make up your own mind. I believe I have found a way to logically prove my outrageous statements. Please bear with me, I am a lone wolf with limited resources.

As a final remark, the concept of eternal hell has been oversold by various religions. We have identified it as a concrete possibility, and have also found a way to overcome it. Please reconsider the seriousness of this possibility. I am not sure if religion was used to indirectly obfusticate the issue.

Satan's a chick!?! Is she like Liz Hurley in Bedazzled (please?)

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 08, 2011, 09:09:42Evil is in control of this planet and everyone is destined for eternal hell. I believe we have found a solution.

That'll be a hard sell, bro.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 08, 2011, 09:23:15
Satan's a chick!?! Is she like Liz Hurley in Bedazzled (please?)

That'll be a hard sell, bro.

Bro, I've developed a sense of humour after being attacked so vigilantly by a frickin horror movie on steroids.

Check out Miranda Kerr, the super model. That is Satan #1's image - like a beautiful super model (nothing to do with Kerr herself). Miranda Kerr herself is a lovely girl, I'm sure. I love Miranda Kerr to bits! I just use this as an example. My reference to Miranda as satan has absolutely no relation to Miranda Kerr whatsoever.

Sorry to tell you she (satan #1) slept her way to the top.

Not all is doom and gloom, bro. Why do you think she was in charge here???? And I make NO JOKES!!!!

LOL

Listen people this is no laughing matter. Look at it factually, a girl like Miranda (satan, not Kerr), with brains, could sleep her way all the way to the top and be in charge of the US in no time.

That is why she (satan) is a SUCCUBUS. She cannot be resisted. She is evil to the core.

I hope Kerr takes this as a compliment. She is one of the most beautiful super models I have ever seen. However, my article has no reference to her specifically whatsoever, and "Miranda" can be the name of anyone at all.

The last post read like a love poem  :wink:

That is why she (satan) is a SUCCUBUS. She cannot be resisted. She is evil to the core.
Best Heavy Metal lyrics ever!

*Googles Miranda Kerr*

Well, I'm sold. Directions to hell, please? 8-)

can i just quote:
"The third "sister" is presently in hiding - her exact identity has not been established. However, each of the three sisters answer to the name "satan" or "the devil"." from earlier in your peice and then:
"Sister number three was apparently shot, killed and tortured by police acting on the spiritual plane."
uuuh...?

Just to inform you I've updated the site with important info which might just sway a single person somewhere sometime. I invite you to revisit.

The QA is as follows:

Questions and answers relating to press release 2011/05/04
What is "evil"?
What is "hell"?
What is the benefit to satan of sending someone to hell?
How do you torture a spirit?
Does EVERYONE go to hell?
What is it like to be sentenced to hell?
How did satan usurp God the Father?
Why was there an opportunity to defeat evil?

READ THE FOLLOWING, IT IS LOGICAL PROOF OF MY POSITION:

Technology Post Number 1
Proving eternal hell and your destiny

I AM ALSO WITHIN THE NEXT FEW MINUTES GOING TO DO THE LAST UPDATE (PERHAPS) SINCE I DO NOT HAVE FREQUENT INTERNET ACCESS. THIS EXPLAINS A FEW TERMS INCLUDING CONTEXT WHICH ARE ALSO SWING CONCEPTS.

Grzazek: This reality is a reality of lies and nothing can be stated as FACT. Prove me wrong about eternal hell and satan, I'll be really happy. I will try and answer your valid query shortly, I have limited internet access time. Personally I am 100% sure, I'm struggling to communicate the context to anyone else. This is part of the mechanism used to attack us.

Astral316: My thoughts exactly. However, I hate this being with all my strength and passion. Yet she she will always retain some appeal to EVERYONE. I am not sure how justice will be imposed on her. She is very dangerous, very appealing, etc. Higher forces are dealing with her.

I might not be able to reply to questions directly on this forum, my work internet blocks forums. However I can address on godsproxy at gmail if anyone is interested.

I know this is kind of a joke to some people, I laugh with you, and I do not blame you, THIS IS THE DEFENSE, you cannot possibly understand or relate to what I am saying because it sounds so... Illogical? Archaic? Whatever!!!

Read technology post number 1 and see if you can start to bypass this mechanism. I'm not trying to brain wash you. I am trying to help us help everyone.

Happy reading! And good luck. I hope I am wrong but I have the scars and experience to prove I am correct.

Any further thoughts? Oh yes, and I need a few minutes to post about CONTEXT.

Ok good folks, I've done my final technology post. Flames welcome, increase in astral energy even more so, for doing some original thinkin'. (hopefully) and turning you all on to a gorgeous supermodel :) :)

Why do you keep saying its a she here but on your site you say its a him?

Quote from: SomeRandom on May 08, 2011, 11:18:14
Why do you keep saying its a she here but on your site you say its a him?

Good question. Its a typo. Its also an example of Technology Note #2. Notice that a simple mistake on my part has made you question the credibility of the entire post. This is a stunning example of the defenses which obscure the truth.

Thank you for your question, with all respect. You are on the right track. Understand my answer, KNOW IT IS TRUE, and you might break through the wall.

I will add this in specifically as an example of how it proves my point, and leave the text uncorrected.

Quote from: SomeRandom on May 08, 2011, 11:18:14
Why do you keep saying its a she here but on your site you say its a him?

Here is my response which I posted. It looks like there might be hope after all. SomeRandom, thank you.

+++ Errors in the above text, help understanding the concept

This might help you break through the WALL of the defense which has nearly defeated us.

An astute reader pointed out "why do I keep on referring to satan as him, when I stated the being is a female".

This observation might make the reader discard the whole concept, whereas the truth is, I've been as indoctrinated as everyone else to think of satan as a male being. I made a simple error, it doesn't change anything, but by making this mistake I may have ruined my chances at raising the awareness of a sacred being. Why? I think I explained the defense pretty well in the beginning. The poster, if he had gotten the concept, would have elaborated on this, thus demonstrating his understanding.

If you were misled by this mistake and made this assumption, or got lost in the thought, I guess you may not have the concept yet.

I am really glad I am receiving some intelligent assistance from somewhere, at last.

I have also added the following comment to my web page. It is very, very personal. It might help someone understand where I am coming from. So I submit it to you with all the love in my heart.

Here is a copy.

LOVE IS ALL THERE IS

I would like to testify that even though the suffering on this planet is absolutely unbelievable, it will all be worth it in the end.

I have experienced LOVE. True and absolute and utter love. That is the love of God the Father, and of Ping Tang.

LOVE IS ALL THERE IS

LOVE IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR

WHEN YOU EXPERIENCE SPIRITUAL LOVE, YOU WILL KNOW WHAT WE ARE FIGHTING FOR.

LOVE IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL AND ECSTATIC FEELING YOU WILL EVER EXPERIENCE. Your eternal true spirit love, or maybe she is incarnated now, is waiting for you. You can never experience love for an incarnated being the same way you can when you are not under eternal hell threat.

"Daddy", God the Father, my daddy, and my soul mate, Nicole alias Ping Tang/Commander: I am doing everything I am doing for you, and for the Love you have shown me.

My daddy, I love you eternally. You gave us this gift of love, and have received nothing but hatred in return. I thank you for giving us life, and allowing us to be the beings we are, not making us bounce up and down as a concious jelly bean for all eternity. I know you could have done that in the beginning. But you suffered for eternity and just wanted one friend to share the love you had discovered with. Almost the first (actually the second) being you birthed, and asked with love to find out how to live without suffering, betrayed you and has almost condemned us to eternal hell.

Ping Tang, I love you even more. In spite of the suffering, the Love has never left me. I LOVE YOU FOREVER AND FOR ETERNITY. LOVE IS WORTH FIGHTING FOR AND WORTH DYING FOR.

IT IS WORTH THE SUFFERING I CONTINUE TO ENDURE. I KNOW THIS IS ALMOST OVER. PLEASE GOD LET ONE BEING EXPERIENCE THE LOVE YOU HAVE SHOWN ME, daddy.

I have made many errors during my quest to help us all help each other. One of the major ones, is not having documented enough of my experiences, not being understanding enough to my fellow humans. Daddy, I have suffered so incredibly, and so has Ping Tang. A being is pretty ticked off after 15,000,000 years of suffering (can this really be true??)

I owe it to my fellow human beings to show them the love to persevere in this effort. You have assured me evil has been defeated. Daddy, I am never sure of any communication which I receive. I am going on gut feel and evil attacks, and through Ping Tang's efforts to get through to me. For all I know, both of you are mischievous entities playing a joke on me. I say this for the benefit of people reading this. I have been through this many times. Things past that point a long time ago, and I am now 100% sure we are on the same page.

No evil spirit could emulate the pure love you sent to me. Please God, soften ONE individual's heart, and let them consider this message seriously. I need them as much as they need me. AMEN.

PEOPLE, I LOVE YOU ALL, AND FOREVER.

So...Satan is a woman? Can I have sex with her in the astral then? :-D

Why does God have to be a man & Satan has to be a woman? I don't appreciate this sexist view.  :|

Maybe it's not sexist...maybe it just happens to be so...

OR...

...and you might prefer this view...

...it's all poppycock.

:-D

Biblical fairy tales... :roll:

I met satan once HE was a 6 eyed black lion. and a very nice chap

we went and sorted some AI out together on 4th density mars, it was fun
at the time he was married to Athena the goddess of wisdom and understanding

:NoY:

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 08, 2011, 09:09:42
*IF* I am correct, then it is critical for me to  pass the info on, so you can make up your own mind. I believe I have found a way to logically prove my outrageous statements. Please bear with me, I am a lone wolf with limited resources.

I dunno about the rest of you... but I'm still waiting on this "logical proof".  >_>

Me too ^^

If there is a Satan, and it is a woman, I must insist that she is no super-model but rather my abusive, twisted step mother.
I will never subscribe to the idea that there is a satan or god, hell or heaven, as put forth in the bible. I am sad for the people that get caught in that trap.
And god is supposedly a male? I'm with Lexy on this one.

I dont even know why they claim that god/devil is male or female. If anything they're neither. Just more proof the bible is made up.

Quote from: Lexy on May 09, 2011, 02:03:41
Why does God have to be a man & Satan has to be a woman? I don't appreciate this sexist view.  :|

Women are superior to men, but we complement each other well.

;)

Goods news! I'm writing a book (html and cross referenced) which is going to make A LOT more sense, and will be easier reading.

Also PDF and word versions.

First draft hopefully in 2 weeks :)

Much Love,

(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6AulLiabOHye_iPvrRPVAxLVgboY1ga7ETpQGEwlGBvIPNPeo&t=1)

This world doesn't seem to fit the Christian god definition. Too much stuff going on that an all powerful deity could fix. A baseball team prays to god and wins a series while children starve daily?

Quote from: Eyyoshi on May 10, 2011, 05:40:53


This world doesn't seem to fit the Christian god definition. Too much stuff going on that an all powerful deity could fix. A baseball team prays to god and wins a series while children starve daily?

MY EXACT POINT.

There is intelligent life out there after all. I just couldn't conceive of there being much on this planet with all the crap that goes on.

When you get this, you'll get me, and you'll get, that putting up with this bovine excrement is causing it to continue, and that someone, anyone needs to take responsibility for fixing it.

The deity you mentioned (daddy) who is supposed to be fixing it was almost killed by satan and he went into hiding. He needs my help and YOUR help, if only to be kind to people. Its OUR PLANET WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE FIXING IT.

THE BAD GUY IS IN CHARGE HERE.

Anyone get my point yet?

CHRISTIANITY ITSELF IS ACTIVELY HELPING THE BAD GUY!

Satan almost killed god....?
And then went into hiding?

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Sorry but just couldn't happen.

"Marduk was originally a minor deity, but later became a powerful ruler. He was considered a creator god. After defeating Tiamat in single combat, he created the heavens and the Earth, organized the year into months, and arranged the planets and stars. He created the Tigris and Euphrates rivers from her eyes and made mountains from her udders. He smashed the weapons of Tiamat's army and put images of them at the gates to the underworld. He set up his temple at Esharra and his seat in Babylon." this is how Yahweh got into power. No idea what Satan (enki) went to but I think he's the one that will come back with more of his buddys to sort his son out

Quote from: SomeRandom on May 10, 2011, 12:06:23
Sorry but just couldn't happen.

To play devil's advocate for a second here... why not?  :)

well if satan was forced into hell by god.... doesn't that say god has a lot more power then satan?

SomeRandom, just to elaborate: satan attacked God (the good guy, I call him Daddy), then Daddy went into hiding.

If this is true, that would mean satan had more power than Daddy?

Not that I follow much christianity but they always said earth was the devil's realm. They got this one right.

Just an aside note, many different people got many different things right (and each one got many different things wrong as well).  So one or two here and there would get certain facts correct, but they never compared notes and ate some humble pie and said "ok I got this wrong, lets throw that away, but lets keep that fact which you discovered which seems correct, and lets keep my fact which also seems correct" and so on.

On a different topic, I haven't figured out how the astral fits into the picture, except that I know that it is real (having managed a conscious astral projection myself once.)

"We" (me and the the other cool spirits out there) always use the astral when we are in "battle mode". I suspect a select segment of the population is aware and consciously project onto the astral even when awake. This may only be true when this reality is in "battle mode".

So much to tell, so much to write, so much to discuss, so much to debate. I don't know why I spend so much time on this forum, I just know there usually turns out to be a really good reason for the things I land up doing. I just never figure it out at that exact moment :) Usually though I land up meeting an important attacker or defender in this fashion. It would really be novel to meet a conscious defender for a change. I sure hope that happens here :)

Quote from: SomeRandom on May 10, 2011, 13:57:23
well if satan was forced into hell by god.... doesn't that say god has a lot more power then satan?

Yeah but making things up doesnt make it true... or does it? Who knows in this universe we can barely comprehend.

Hey Xanth and Summerlander,

And I'm still waiting for a big deposit from you guys into my bank account so that I can spend all my time working out the proof for you. Its quite a favor to save someone from eternal hell you know, least you could do is support me for a while, so that I can become a full time writer :) :) :)

I promise full refunds if my "theories" prove to be poppycock, payable before or after death, your choice. :)

Seriously, writing about this stuff takes time. I also have to work for a living in between times. I'm working on a document now. Give me two weeks or so, I'll get something out then.

Quote from: Xanth on May 09, 2011, 10:42:29
I dunno about the rest of you... but I'm still waiting on this "logical proof".  >_>

Proving and convincing are two different things. Truth be told, proving one fragment of consciousness is inherently superior over all others is not possible in this plane of existence. If you ask me, an anthropomorphic God and Satan are just personifications of positive and negative energy. God is the collective unconscious which we as fellow receptors of consciousness can either choose to collaborate with (be "good") or go against.

Good point, SomeRandom.

"Who knows in this universe we can barely comprehend."

THAT IS THE WHOLE AND THE EXACT TRUTH.

I'm glad someone isn't pretending to know the truth about this reality.

Now, let me tell you something about how I KNOW.... the truth is that obviously I don't KNOW, it is impossible to KNOW, because that is the nature of the TRAP. You don't know you're in a trap, so why would you want to try and escape it? In fact why would you even bother with such a stupidly absurdly counterproductive thought, "I'm in a trap and I need to escape it" to scare yourself to death ... ETC, when you don't KNOW it is true. Sure, its a possibility - but ANYTHING IS! Who the hell can tell up from down in this damned place??

Well, SomeRandom, you have hit on the exact logical thought sequence which got me started on this whole psychotic view of reality.

But haven't you ever had the experience, that there is something YOU JUST KNOW IS THE TRUTH. You feel it in your water, in your blood, and in your bones. That is my proof and how I know this is real, we are heading for hell, and so is the rest of life. I FEEL IT IN MY WATER.

But what I just said in the sentence is clearly not good enough and absolutely poppy cock! How does that help you? I mean Christians are absolutely CERTAIN, THEY KNOW that they are saved , and that they are going to Heaven. You could never convince them otherwise. BUT THEY ARE WRONG! THEY MISSED THE WHOLE POINT OF THE BIBLE! GOD WAS CLEARLY ASKING THEM FOR HELP! (Not so clear? Well, we seem to have forgotten that the bible is 2000 years old...)

So now me, some idiot psychotic poster, is ranting we're all going to hell, and you're supposed to believe me? And I've got a solution? I mean yeah right, and pigs can fly too.

Now if I was SomeRandom, I would go onto the next post and read something with a bit more credibility.

My only claim to fame is.... I have fact after fact after fact after fact after fact after fact after fact. Each fact is an isolated observation of the obvious. Look at the tree, it has leaves on it. That kind of level, but obviously not quite so benign, that is just how obvious my "facts" are.

When you add each one up, you come to the same conclusion every time.

I'm writing a book on this. Let me try to give you a quick concrete example.

FACT 1: YOU CANNOT DISPUTE THIS: THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING BEYOND BELIEF ON THIS PLANET. (Google: Poverty statistics. And another FACT: BEING POOR AND STARVING MOST OF YOUR LIFE DOESN'T MAKE YOU HAPPIER THAN A RICH PERSON. In other words, someone somewhere said, the poor people are the happiest people. Oh rubbish man, I have first hand experience of this.) Can we somehow agree this FACT 1 is ABSOLUTELY TRUE AND UNDISPUTABLE?

FACT 2: CHRISTIANS SAY YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IN JESUS TO GO TO HEAVEN.

Fact 2 makes christian religion poppy cock! God wouldn't care if you were Buddhist or Atheist, if you were kind to other people and lived a good life, then I'm sure you would go to heaven? Isn't God a LOVING God, HINT HINT HINT?

Fact 2 makes every single christian so unbelievably stupid and neive, it boggles the senses!!!

But Christians are lovely, lovely people and not at all stupid! How could they possibly have been misled in such an obvious fashion???

FACT 1 AND FACT 2 ALONE ADD UP TO: WHAT THE LIVING HELL FOR GODS SAKE IS GOING ON IN THIS PLANET?

Youj don't need to be a genius to add up 1 & 2, and figure out, people are either incredibly stupid, OR WE HAVE BEEN ATTACKED, AND THESE PEOPLE HAVE BEEN BRAIN WASHED!

NOW ASK WHY THE HELL????

Ok, proceed in this fashion and you have soon explained, without any doubt and without any shadow of doubt without any doubt whatsoever (yes I'm repeating myself, stupidly, but it is not nearly as stupid as believing Fact 2 above, or even being aware of Fact 2 above and not wondering why people are INSANELY STUPID (I'm not even exagerating here, I'm pounding a point home THIS IS DEAD SERIOUS))

PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN ATTACKED USING YOUR ANCHOR POINTS (YOUR REFERENCE ON REALITY) AND WE ARE ACCEPTING INSANELY STUPID AND OBVIOUS AND INSULTING ATTACKS WITHOUT QUESTION, BECAUSE WE ARE IN A CONTROLLED REALITY. THE POINT OF THE CONTROL IS TO KEEP YOU STUPID!

Thank God for SomeRandom. I NOW UNDERSTAND HOW TO PROVE THIS WHOLE STORY LOGICALLY.

Since I also never used to place much importance on Fact 2 except "they're religious nuts and christianity isn't for me and who except an idiot would believe that", and this continued for 38 years of my life, I now understand: IF YOU'VE LOST ME COMPLETELY AT THIS POINT AND WONDER WHY I AM SHOUTING, I'm getting closer and closer and closer to being able to explain in a rational and slow fashion, written in a nice friendly commercial book, that we are in an eternal hell death trap destined for hell!

The best news of all is that satan is actually a loser and all you have to do is stand up to the dude (or girl whichever you prefer), and you've won! He wins through fear, terror and ignorance by default!

This all makes me very happy and feel very happy indeed.

Thank you SomeRandom.

My biggest revelation is that through discussing this with people, I CAN get a better reference on how to PROVE it, I CAN, and once it is PROVED to ONE person (I don't mean, accept it like a stupid blind amoeba), WE HAVE ALL WON!!

So disagreement is actually my best tool, and those who disagree and oppose my psychotic ramblings, are my best friends in this quest.... to help them help themselves help us help their loved ones and... move onto much better and happier pastures!

Quote from: SomeRandom on May 11, 2011, 10:50:44
Yeah but making things up doesnt make it true... or does it? Who knows in this universe we can barely comprehend.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 11, 2011, 11:19:36
If you ask me, an anthropomorphic God and Satan are just personifications of positive and negative energy. God is the collective unconscious which we as fellow receptors of consciousness can either choose to collaborate with (be "good") or go against.

God is our Spirit father, and he birthed us. No question.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 11, 2011, 11:19:36
Proving and convincing are two different things.

Can you BELIEVE, in this case they happen to be the same thing... just another stupid paradox for us to get around.

Thanks for your comments, Astral316.

GodsProxy,

I'm wondering what you hope to accomplish here?  While we support most ideologies surrounding everything metaphysical... this is predominantly a forum about ASTRAL PROJECTION, and you really don't seem to be interested in Astral Projection.

I'm thinking that a forum revolving around a more "religious" theme might be more suitable for your message?

People suffering + outlandish Christian belief = We're all going to hell ???

There's a lot of distance between the dots you're trying to connect.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 11, 2011, 11:27:03
PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN ATTACKED USING YOUR ANCHOR POINTS (YOUR REFERENCE ON REALITY) AND WE ARE ACCEPTING INSANELY STUPID AND OBVIOUS AND INSULTING ATTACKS WITHOUT QUESTION, BECAUSE WE ARE IN A CONTROLLED REALITY. THE POINT OF THE CONTROL IS TO KEEP YOU STUPID!

You underestimate the fact that people are born into this reality as blank slates. We look to others to help us make sense of the world. Manipulation is not only possible... it's easy. Control is a huge motivator, agreed... but this has nothing to do with our reality as a whole. Just the people who inhabit it.

Hi Xanth,

I will respect your decision if you wish to moderate this posting.

To justify my posting here:

My battles have all been fought on the astral plane.

Secondly, I avidly pursued AP 2 years ago and accomplished a projection. So there is a dependency here on AP which support many of my discoveries.

Thirdly, I believe these discoveries are of vital importance and interest to everyone.

In any case, if this post is entirely off topic and out of line, then I would like to request that you let it remain, I will not post any further replies, I just wish to inform the people when my book is ready for inspection.

I was enjoying discussing the issue here, but I remember my pledge in the initial posting. Your call.

Thanks Xanth.

Quote from: Xanth on May 11, 2011, 12:43:05
GodsProxy,

I'm wondering what you hope to accomplish here?  While we support most ideologies surrounding everything metaphysical... this is predominantly a forum about ASTRAL PROJECTION, and you really don't seem to be interested in Astral Projection.

I'm thinking that a forum revolving around a more "religious" theme might be more suitable for your message?

Quote from: Astral316 on May 11, 2011, 13:27:00
People suffering + outlandish Christian belief = We're all going to hell ???

There's a lot of distance between the dots you're trying to connect.

True, but I was just giving two quick logical examples.

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You underestimate the fact that people are born into this reality as blank slates. We look to others to help us make sense of the world. Manipulation is not only possible... it's easy. Control is a huge motivator, agreed... but this has nothing to do with our reality as a whole. Just the people who inhabit it.

Incorrect, I understand this completely, but it has everything to do with how we've been hurt.

You keep stating that you can prove there is a hell. You said god is our spirit father, no question. The problem remains that these are merely your opinions and as such, you cannot prove them. You can only state these opinions which have obviously become beliefs to you, and create discussion. Conversely, my belief that there is no hell, is my opinion. I cannot prove it for you, but why should I try? This is my reality. Religion is emotion-based and is taken by faith. There are no facts, only feelings.
Is ice cream eaten by millions of people? Yes. Can you prove that chocolate is better than vanilla? Of course not. Even if the majority of people say it is (btw, it is  :lol:), that does not make it fact. It is still only opinion.
If you choose to believe in hell, god, satan, etc., that is your choice and your "truth", your religion. No new concepts here. Same old stuff, regurgitated. Just different packaging.
IMO, trying to convince people they will burn in hell if they don't do such and such is using fear-based tactics to control people. As tasteless now as it ever has been.
Maybe you would sell more if you turned this into a cool galactic, good vs. evil, sci-fi book instead  :-D

Quote from: luthienlv on May 12, 2011, 05:42:01
You keep stating that you can prove there is a hell. You said god is our spirit father, no question. The problem remains that these are merely your opinions and as such, you cannot prove them. You can only state these opinions which have obviously become beliefs to you, and create discussion. Conversely, my belief that there is no hell, is my opinion. I cannot prove it for you, but why should I try? This is my reality. Religion is emotion-based and is taken by faith. There are no facts, only feelings.
Is ice cream eaten by millions of people? Yes. Can you prove that chocolate is better than vanilla? Of course not. Even if the majority of people say it is (btw, it is  :lol:), that does not make it fact. It is still only opinion.
If you choose to believe in hell, god, satan, etc., that is your choice and your "truth", your religion. No new concepts here. Same old stuff, regurgitated. Just different packaging.
IMO, trying to convince people they will burn in hell if they don't do such and such is using fear-based tactics to control people. As tasteless now as it ever has been.
Maybe you would sell more if you turned this into a cool galactic, good vs. evil, sci-fi book instead  :-D

Very well put.  :)

Quote from: luthienlv on May 12, 2011, 05:42:01
Maybe you would sell more if you turned this into a cool galactic, good vs. evil, sci-fi book instead  :-D

Well at least we can all agree on that point! Love the idea, and will do it anyway. Only difference will be that I will label it as a TRUE story. Shouldn't limit its appeal.

Its actually more interesting and much more marketable commercially than the Matrix,  IMHO.

Everyone here keeps on going on about where is the proof. I ask you with tears in my eyes, where is the faith? LOL. I did say it would take 2 weeks, but even that is ambitious for a 1000 page thriller.

Seriously, isn't anyone interested in taking up the argument on my side? :)

Give credit where credit is due, you do make excellent points below. I disagree with many but not all of your logic / conclusion pairs. Your logic is always correct, but your conclusions are always disputable.

You see, I have experienced/seen first hand satan and the truth I testify to.

Now, if you fail to prove that there is no hell, you are taking in my own opinion only, an unacceptable risk. Burning in hell for eternity is not a risk I would personally take, just because I didn't bother considering some dude who told me that it does exist.

That, to me, is a more acceptable logic/conclusion chain of thought.

If you say it CANNOT be proved, that is your opinion. I submit respectfully that in the light and seriousness of my allegations, you have not tried hard enough. I further submit that you are categorically incorrect, it CAN be proven.

For me to prove to you that what you think cannot be proven, CAN BE PROVEN, is the same order of magnitude as PROVING hell. So my time estimate is the same.

Once I have PROVEN it, there is further no guarantee no-one will accept my proof in this life time. It may only be accepted later. It might give someone a context to better prove it sometime in the future.

Thank you for seriously engaging this conversation, your help is welcome and appreciated!

Quote from: luthienlv on May 12, 2011, 05:42:01
You keep stating that you can prove there is a hell. You said god is our spirit father, no question. The problem remains that these are merely your opinions and as such, you cannot prove them. You can only state these opinions which have obviously become beliefs to you, and create discussion. Conversely, my belief that there is no hell, is my opinion. I cannot prove it for you, but why should I try? This is my reality. Religion is emotion-based and is taken by faith. There are no facts, only feelings.
Is ice cream eaten by millions of people? Yes. Can you prove that chocolate is better than vanilla? Of course not. Even if the majority of people say it is (btw, it is  :lol:), that does not make it fact. It is still only opinion.
If you choose to believe in hell, god, satan, etc., that is your choice and your "truth", your religion. No new concepts here. Same old stuff, regurgitated. Just different packaging.
IMO, trying to convince people they will burn in hell if they don't do such and such is using fear-based tactics to control people. As tasteless now as it ever has been.
Maybe you would sell more if you turned this into a cool galactic, good vs. evil, sci-fi book instead  :-D

Dude, most people here "know" you're not going to be able to prove anything.  The most you can provide is your belief or opinion.

But hey, go right ahead.  I'm certainly not going to stop you.  :)

Cool, thanks :)

Here's a curved ball question for YOU: How do you PROVE astral projection to someone who has never AP'd before? Or is that the point you are trying to make?

Quote from: Xanth on May 12, 2011, 12:39:55
Dude, most people here "know" you're not going to be able to prove anything.  The most you can provide is your belief or opinion.

But hey, go right ahead.  I'm certainly not going to stop you.  :)

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 12, 2011, 12:23:55Now, if you fail to prove that there is no hell, you are taking in my own opinion only, an unacceptable risk. Burning in hell for eternity is not a risk I would personally take, just because I didn't bother considering some dude who told me that it does exist.

Well no one can prove a negative. The burden is on you to prove hell does exist... stating "I've experienced hell first hand" in a forum where most members have had their own first hand experiences in the "spirit world" and came to their own conclusions... well it's not gonna cut it.

What is the nature of this "risk" you speak of anyway? Does blindly accepting the existence of a biblical Hell avert the risk of ending up there? You sound like a typical Christian with a dash of conspiracy theorist.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 12, 2011, 13:37:41
Cool, thanks :)

Here's a curved ball question for YOU: How do you PROVE astral projection to someone who has never AP'd before? Or is that the point you are trying to make?

No curve ball.  We don't try to prove anything to anyone.  If they're willing, we teach them how to experience it for themselves and make their own determination from there.

Quote from: Xanth on May 12, 2011, 14:36:20
No curve ball.  We don't try to prove anything to anyone.  If they're willing, we teach them how to experience it for themselves and make their own determination from there.

Ok, GREAT reply.

Can I ask, with all the humility at my command, for your assistance, as I wish to proceed in the same fashion.

I wish to allow you to EXPERIENCE IT FOR YOURSELF.

"Experience it for yourself" and then no proof is necessary, and I can relax a bit.

"Experience it for yourself" does NOT mean, AP into the lower astral levels (hells) or converse with a negative spirit. I highly advise against this.

I need your help on firstly, "how", and then secondly, to actually "action". I do not know enough about AP or the possibilities on the Astral, or if even such a thing would be possible. Knowing what I do (you do have the Astral Island where people can meet?) , I really don't see why not. Also, perhaps I need to be asking a different question, relating to "how".

"How": Setup a meeting place (safe). Now, you need to defend against negative spirits masquerading as good. They will simply tell you what you want to hear, not what you need to hear (the truth). So, DEFINE the meeting place as only allowing BEINGS OF LOVE AND LIGHT (positive spirits).

Then the appropriate spirits need to be invited. These can provide verification, which can hopefully be recalled on awakening.

This would need to be done very, very, very carefully. Define it so that it succeeds. This includes cross-verification and ruling out auto-suggestion. Obviously participants need to NEUTRAL to the out come.

The reality needs to be private and it needs to be obfusticated so that no-one outside can eaves drop.

Anyway, I don't want to continue too long in this vein. I myself cannot participate or AP (I am not an expert projector, thats not how the battles are fought), so I am dependent on some very sceptical beings taking this VERY VERY seriously. I think I'm smoking my socks if I think anyone will do me a favour and do this.

Xanth, if you think anyone would be willing to do this excercise, then there would need to a great deal more discussion. This is just a quick jot of my initial ideas.

You can't just project and do a casual trip and enquiry (I don't think). Experience has taught me, that you need to be intelligent and plan a bit. There are defenses in place against ANYONE discovering the truth, but if you suspect the truth, these are plain easy and simple to get around. I can help in this regard.

I can't guarantee that there is no risk of spiritual attack during such an excercise, but this should also be very easy to defend or guard against.

I have many other ideas in this regard. I might do some research on Astral Island and see if I can maybe visit there on the next "battle" session (this might only happen in a month or two, though). If I can connect with beings there, they might remember on there return. Or I might be able to change a thing or two that will act as beacons.

Just my thoughts.

Cheers Xanth.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 12, 2011, 13:50:34
The burden is on you to prove hell does exist...

You are actually correct here. The burden is indeed on me, to prove that it exists.

It is true, but I don't like having to be the one to prove it. It is a massive responsibility. What happens if a truck drives over me before I've done it? I've been remiss in this regard. I've waited long, maybe too long. I regret this.

Why do I accept this responsibility, without condition? Well, because I am the one who has witnessed it. Therefore I cannot expect anyone else to relate to it. Frankly, it would be a very counter productive BS (belief system), if that is what it was. It is NOT a BS, it is a fact. However, if I was wrong, then I would be creating a BST if I created a strong enough "proof", which actually recruited people. This is (obviously) not my intention. It remains a risk though, because BST's do exist (of course), they are the bread and butter of how realities are created.

Quotestating "I've experienced hell first hand" in a forum where most members have had their own first hand experiences in the "spirit world" and came to their own conclusions... well it's not gonna cut it.

Yes, I am aware of that. It also means that I am conversing with the most capable and informed population on the planet. AP's KNOW that we are more than just bodies. I don't have to overcome that hurdle with you guys.

It also makes you the most challenging to convince, and therefore the most worthwhile.

Unless I had AP'd , I would not KNOW, absolutely KNOW, that I have an existence independent of my body. No-one could convince me of the facts which I hope to relate in a verifiable form, if I had not experienced AP and lucid dreams.

QuoteWhat is the nature of this "risk" you speak of anyway?

The risk is that we're actually in a place which has been very cleverly disguised as a learning reality, but which is actually a softening up process, to kill you as a spirit, but unfortunately you cannot be killed as a spirit, "killing you as a spirit" actually means, torturing you forever more.  That is the risk, that I am identifying for you. Please reply if this doesn't accurately answer your question.

QuoteDoes blindly accepting the existence of a biblical Hell avert the risk of ending up there?

No. Receiving the Holy Spirit, going to church, or being the church minister, have absolutely no effect whatsoever on your fate.

QuoteYou sound like a typical Christian

Yes. Christianity itself makes it very difficult to prove there is a satan.

Christianity might be the reason why this post is taken with a pinch of salt by most people here.

Fundamental christians believe AP is evil and opens the door for demons. This is incorrect.

Christians involved with spiritual warfare are battling evil, but they have got completely the wrong picture, and cannot possibly succeed with the baggage of the christian Belief System.

To summarize, Christianity and religion have unfortunately made it almost impossible to believe in a satan or a hell, for any person who might be in a position to EFFECTIVELY do something about it.

A christian Spiritual Warrior (google Spiritual Warfare for more info on this) believes that God the Father is in charge of the battle. This is false. God is incapacitated. The only people who can do anything about the situation is Human beings, HELPED by spiritual beings.

Quotewith a dash of conspiracy theorist.

Absolutely. My favorite stupid example, is that the lizards are in charge of this reality.

Conspiracy theorists make wild claims and do not use logic to back up their claims.

My claims can be verified logically, but how EXACTLY to use logic to validate what I have personally witnessed, is still baffling my terrified soul :) :) Don't worry, I'm getting there, more and more every day, and every question here is helping.

You can't get anyone to directly experience religion.

That's my point.

Suffice to say, your initial goal has failed before you've even written a word.

So, I've asked once... and I'll ask again, pony up your proof if you wish to be taken as anything resembling a sane individual.

Ok guys, I get it :) I'll see if I can get something more concrete out for you.

Happy astral travel until then.

See you all later.

Ok, I got your point Xanth.

Enough said. Will post again when it is available.

Thanks again.

Quote from: Xanth on May 12, 2011, 16:03:48
So, I've asked once... and I'll ask again, pony up your proof if you wish to be taken as anything resembling a sane individual.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 12, 2011, 16:06:07
Ok guys, I get it :) I'll see if I can get something more concrete out for you.

Happy astral travel until then.

See you all later.

Doubt it, but goodluck anyway.

godsproxy
ya got alot of homework before ya write ya book...no disrespect
from what ya have stated ya know a bit and only a bit, ya info is way out of wack
hell on earth no where else!!!
by the time ya write ya book people will already know alot of the truth what is happening in the realms/ plains and the truth as in how this world operates including up their plains/realms it's all coming out shortly inside two years to all people/public, it's in it's research/developement stage now we know what to do it's just complicated to say how and what not
alot of games get played out up their by those above, all just a test to see if ya work it out...

good luck

love all

evil defecated

i'll tell you what your biggest problem is godsproxy.

well, your biggest problem is that you think you're a proxy for god, lol.  but that's not my point so i'm gonna move on.

you see dualism when what you should see is polarity.

Personal Reality,

I'm going to "risk" replying to your post.

I think the moderator is trying to tell me in no uncertain terms, drop it, you're looking like an idiot to me. If you don't drop it, then I'm going to make you drop it.

Well, to be honest with you, that is no concern of mine. You're all going to be a bit like over done toast when the nasty guy in charge is done with you. I take back what I said before about "I'll take it onto myself to prove it for you". The burden of truth fell away from me, in the context of this forum, after I had done my level best to engage this topic, with intelligent people. I've said my piece, I have no further need for your approval. In fact, I've been more than generous with my time on this forum :)

I'm tired of being hurt and insulted. I've been nothing but civil on this forum. I've presented a completely different take on reality, and what do you know? People don't appreciate it.

If this planet was NOT a filthy hell trap, people would react with respect and interest, and try and get a better context on what I'm saying.

Since this planet IS a filthy hell trap, they revile and ridicule. Notice a pattern? Its like the bullies at school who bully the nerd who is different to them.

They are acting and behaving like herd animals. LOL. Just like the rest of this planet, they sing the tune "me clever, you stupid. me clever, you stupid."

Quoteyou see dualism when what you should see is polarity.

Could you explain the above? I don't get at all the concepts you are referring to.  I understand Duality as separation from God, and Polarity as being orientation towards good or evil. Correct? If so, please explain further, why "this is my problem".

None of you has proved or said much that indicates anything more to me except that the sheep are bleating in tune, as they always have done and always will do, all their way into oblivion. That means, you guys have the problem, and not me.

I think religion was not enough for most people here
It just didn't explain the whole truth

And if somebody sounds religious it sets off alarm bells in there head its like yeah I'm done with that attitude

don't take it personally just craft your wisdom's into something that people will accept

if the teacher cant teach, its not the students fault, its the way the message was delivered

:NoY:

I'm not saying that at all.
Here, I'll be blunt:  I think that what you think constitutes proof won't be proof, it'll be simply your opinion.  BUT, with that said, you're more than welcome to try, so good luck!  :)

QuoteIf this planet was NOT a filthy hell trap

Honestly?  This planet is what you make of it... if you think it's a "filthy hell trap", then that's EXACTLY what it's going to be to you.  You're your own worst enemy here, nobody else.

Quote from: Xanth on May 13, 2011, 22:04:02
Honestly?  This planet is what you make of it... if you think it's a "filthy hell trap", then that's EXACTLY what it's going to be to you.  You're your own worst enemy here, nobody else.

Xanth, let me try and be as straight and to the point here.

From http://www.globalissues.org/article/26/poverty-facts-and-stats :

QuoteAlmost half the world — over three billion people — live on less than $2.50 a day

I'm not sure if $2.50 is enough to buy a loaf of bread in your part of the world, but in mine, you could buy ONE loaf of bread with some small change. THEN, you would need to live in the street or in a slum, because you have no money for rent.

Here, you have to pay ANOTHER $2.50 PER DAY MINIMUM for RENTAL IN A SLUM. You can pay $1.25 for a shack in the SLUM but there is no wall around the area, and your risk of attack at night is much higher.

$0.00 rent will get you... a place on the street. You have to pay $2.50 PER NIGHT to stay in a homeless shelter! I can substantiate this, you can call the guy who runs the homeless shelter. That doesn't include food. If you want to borrow the idiots tin opener to open your tin of baked beans, he swears at you and tells you it isn't his job to provide you with utensils. Then try begging the dude for some of the bread he gets handed out to him by charity. If you ask nicely he will give you a bag of bread rolls. Otherwise the answer is NO.

Not having anything to eat is like the worst torture you could ever experience. You can think of nothing, nothing, nothing, except how you can beg your next door neighbor to please give you 1 single slice of bread. If you ask him, me might swear at you or attack you. You already feel like a piece of rubbish, but you pluck up the courage and ask anyway.

I have first hand experience of this.

This planet is a stinking filthy hell planet, even and especially if we have no convenient negative sounding entity like satan to blame it on.

I don't know about you, but I feel ashamed about the human race in general. It just needs a few people to think differently and help change the situation. I'm sorry to say, but the pattern and tone of the responses I've had here, reflect the exact same attitudes which perpetuate poverty and suffering on this planet. My attitudes are completely different. The other day, I handed out some food in the taxi I was travelling in. Then I put $10 in someone else's begger bowl, and made sure no-one noticed me, so that I wasn't doing it for ego reasons. Personally, I'm not posting here on the internet because I'm sitting in luxury.

I have not much respect for anyone who shares these judgmental attitudes, look at that bum he doesn't have any respect for himself because he is wearing no shoes.

Xanth, I can carry on and on and on.

Am I speaking in tongues? Why does no-one get the most basic and most simple and most humanitarian argument I make?

If you're trying to claim that religion (Christianity) is evil... that certainly does not prove your point.  Not even close.

Good luck though... keep trying.  :)

As I said... you create your own reality on this Earth.  If you feel it's a hell prison... then that's what it's going to be for you.  Try changing your perspective a bit... you might be pleasantly surprised with the results.  Try looking for the positives of life.

For example, instead of looking at how much money these people have... why not look at how close some of them are with their families.  Living together in full support of one another.  Money != Happiness.

Some of the most happiest people on the face of the Earth hardly have two dimes to rub together.

Quote
Some of the most happiest people on the face of the Earth hardly have two dimes to rub together.

Sorry, I hate repeating myself. _Please_ read what I said about not having food to eat.

TRY THIS: Starve yourself for 2 days.

NOW: Try to feel the LOVE.

I'm really wasting my time here if people don't bother reading my posts. I mean if you're going to reply to my messages and insult me, then please at least read what I have written. Otherwise there are plenty of other threads and plenty of other ignorant blissfully unaware people to go and insult.

Dude, I'm not saying there aren't people living in such conditions.

Take the "poor" blinders off.  You've got tunnel-vision.

You're so transfixed on the evils in the world that it's almost like you've forgotten how to see the good.

GodsProxy,

I spent most of my life believing in hell. People burning because they didn't believe what they should have. Nearly two years ago, I was finally freed of that belief system. I was shown things and had personal experiences that made me see that there was no satan to attack, no god to judge, no hell to fear. I am grateful beyond measure to no longer live with that warped view of life after death (or as I like to call it, westing) :wink:.

Even in this day and age there are millions of people who live in fear, become members of religious organizations, tithe money they cannot afford to give away, live with blinders on and otherwise sabotage their own happiness because they are trying desperately to avoid hell. And there are countless "leaders" laughing all the way to the bank.

I don't want to think this way about you, someone I don't even know, but it sounds to me like you have found a topic that you know most people have a little understanding of and you're trying to spin it to make it a little different, then you're going to try to make a profit off of it. Why do you want to make people live in fear? That's incredibly sad.

You KNOW there is a hell. Fine. I hope you can avoid it. I KNOW there is NOT a hell. I was given a freedom in my spirit and nobody can tell me any differently.
I have nothing against religions if their goal is enlightenment and spreading peace. That is not what you're about. You had a nightmare, you're claiming it's real because you know there are people out there who already fear it, and you're gonna try to turn a profit from it.

But now the problem is, the world is a crappy place to live? Because you've gone hungry? Do you honestly think you're the only one in this forum who has experienced homelessness, hunger, sadness, fear?

Please tell us about some good things that have happened in your life! Tell us something wonderful about the human spirit! Look for what CAN be done, not what CAN'T.

You have complained that your posts aren't being read. In all honesty, I have read each one up to this point but I don't think I can anymore because it seems like all you want to do is spread fear and discontent. Well, I hope things work out for you. I hope you have a life-changing revelation. A good one this time!!

Sir, I wouldn't want my worst enemy to live in such conditions.

Sir, I refuse to accept, ever, until the last breath I take, that I have let ONE person go HUNGRY for ONE DAY, without doing everything in my power to help EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF THEIR LOVELY SOULS.

Sir, I am a being of Light, Love and Honour.

Sir, I am dishonored by the disrespect that has been shown by the privilidged few to the starving masses.

Sir, I LOVE LIFE WITH ALL MY HEART AND SOUL, I WILL FIGHT FOR LOVE, I WILL FIGHT FOR LOVE FOREVER.

Sir, you cannot have ONE OUNCE OF LOVE in your soul, if you honestly realize and know, the extent of the suffering ONE starving person has to tolerate, and you do not do EVERYTHING IN YOUR POWER to help them.

Sir, I excuse you, because this reality has been attacked.

Sir, people on this planet are not showing any love toward each other whatsoever in any fashion.

Sir, I DO NOT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT EVIL, just FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, LET PEOPLE HELP EACH OTHER.

Quote from: Xanth on May 13, 2011, 23:13:27Dude, I'm not saying there aren't people living in such conditions.

Godsproxy
8-)
i only read the bit about the taxi and the $10 and a bit of other stuff ya study this type of thing here on sites as this and do as ya claimed with less fortunate their is only way for you to go as this is the bases of the meaning of life """live for other people and love all""" and that is to become the best anyone can be
man i know where ya at as in your developement your level
ya just have to be a little/alot more patient with the knowledge/wisdom you seek (not all as it seems up their...test man) and the ego thing (i teach this daily) beautiful excellent work big plus to you a big start you will be one smart mother ______ one day as long as you have those less fortunate than you as first preference when considering anything first thought them first
as ya on ya way
i go by the motto only better yaself when and only when it will benefit others as in allows you to help those in more need, hard yes but hey i'm at the front end of this New Worlds beginnings and i know what going to happen and what isnt thats the only way ya get to have the guru knowledge/wisdom no other way to obtain it...don't let anyone tell ya different

we are at the start of a New World a New beginning this includes the minipulation of the climate/weather/death cycle/disease any thing ya can think of including earthquakes most areas proven including earthquakes/deaths and more you other clowns can laugh but no see don't care it's proven to a hand full of people...noone does anything in these areas other than us noone we decide who gets to play with this noone else
and soon i'm sure you will be able to participate as it's the only way to participate---live for other people and love all---should one choose to of course

go here don't hesitate it will help ya heaps ya wont get better programms (mind) anywhere
Astral Dynamics
Deliberate Manifesting/Reality Creation
The Best Programms For Yourself...Proven

good luck

love all

You sound like a lovely soul.

Spread fear and discontent? Yes, please do. It is HIGHLY called for. Appropriate response to reality situation.

Look, I'm not posting here because I'm the guy who likes to look on watch soapies on television.

I'm posting here, because of ALL of the reasons mentioned above. Please don't read my posts if they disturb you, frankly I'm getting sick of convincing people of obvious things.

WHOEVER NEEDS TO SEE THESE MESSAGES, HAS SEEN THEM THEY WILL CONSIDER THEM IN TIME AND PERHAPS CHANGE THEIR VIEWPOINTS. I've relayed much info and all the info needed.

Quote from: luthienlv on May 13, 2011, 23:25:08
You have complained that your posts aren't being read. In all honesty, I have read each one up to this point but I don't think I can anymore because it seems like all you want to do is spread fear and discontent. Well, I hope things work out for you. I hope you have a life-changing revelation. A good one this time!!

Hey Dude, Thanks for your lovely post! First positive reply I've read.

Just one pointer for you, I'm the one giving the advice not you.... :):):):):):)

One last pointer for everyone.....

I can see clearly that people are not seeing clearly....

Quote from: ether2 on May 13, 2011, 23:37:17
love all

I think you're just a grumpy guss who sees just the negativity in the world.  ;)

 :wink:

Quote from: Xanth on May 13, 2011, 23:52:41
I think you're just a grumpy guss who sees just the negativity in the world.  ;)

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 13, 2011, 23:47:12

Just one pointer for you, I'm the one giving the advice not you.... :):):):):):)

:-o :-)
i see you are now famous :wink:



hey Xanth
if ya don't see negative ya cannot fix it...it's not going to go away just by ignoring or by hopeing/praying it goes away or by thought controll it goes away by generating awareness and it does not will not regenerate (problem) it does not work like that ever...in this area anyway :wink:...or the other areas now i would have thought CIA would have been up to date with that now :-D

good luck

love all

Quote from: ether2 on May 14, 2011, 00:03:35
hey Xanth
if ya don't see negative ya cannot fix it...it's not going to go away just by ignoring or by hopeing/praying it goes away or by thought controll it goes away by generating awareness and it does not will not regenerate (problem) it does not work like that ever...in this area anyway :wink:...or the other areas now i would have thought CIA would have been up to date with that now :-D

good luck

love all

I never said DON'T see the negative.
I said don't focus solely on the negative.

You can't focus on any one thing... there must always be a balance.

Quote from: luthienlv on May 13, 2011, 23:25:08
GodsProxy,

I spent most of my life believing in hell. People burning because they didn't believe what they should have. Nearly two years ago, I was finally freed of that belief system. I was shown things and had personal experiences that made me see that there was no satan to attack, no god to judge, no hell to fear. I am grateful beyond measure to no longer live with that warped view of life after death (or as I like to call it, westing) :wink:.

Hi,

Thank you for your post.

I would never take away someone's security regarding their spiritual future, unless I considered it absolutely necessary.

There is a massive positive side to my message.

IF I AM CORRECT, THEN:

I have single handedly, but without the help of a single other incarnated being, but together with help of multitudes of beings of Love and light, secured the defeat of the evil forces in charge of this reality.

I can almost 100% assure you that everyone's future is one of eternal bliss and the most wonderful existence you could EVER imagine. I don't think you can even begin to imagine, how wonderful it is going to be, when we pass on to the next reality.

ALMOST 100%? That's not good enough for me. I CAN 100% ASSURE YOU OF THE THREAT, which was hopefully overcome.

IF I AM CORRECT REGARDING EVIL'S DEFEAT:

I am in a very good position indeed.

I am not going to hand the solution out to people on a silver platter, if I have any say in the matter. We have had too much of a scare, for this to be an acceptable solution for almost any of the beings of Love and Light involved in the battle.

How can ONE incarnated being, look at the truth, look at the obvious, spend hours and hours of time trying to argue basic principles with people and get them to look at these basic principles, FAIL, and then RESCUE EVERYONE? Its insulting for almost everyone concerned.

Unfortunately this is what has happened!

My baby , YOU ARE SAFE, but I can SEE THINGS YOU CANNOT, and if you look at them honestly with me, I promise you, there is nothing to be afraid of, all of your positive beliefs are FUNDAMENTALLY CORRECT, unfortunately you have made one error, and that was that thinking that negative thinking was a self full filling prophecy.

You were close, but not close enough to help anyone, sorry.

I hope you will join with me in looking at the truth. We are all safe.

For a change I agree with you Xanth (but in principle, I agree much more with Ether2.)

There IS a positive side to all of this, and it is worth mentioning, because that is what makes life worth fighting for.

Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 00:20:00
I never said DON'T see the negative.
I said don't focus solely on the negative.

You can't focus on any one thing... there must always be a balance.

Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 00:20:00
I never said DON'T see the negative.
I said don't focus solely on the negative.

You can't focus on any one thing... there must always be a balance.

disagree with that...but i understand ya point with being associated with a site as this and being CIA as they are trained in ways :wink:
i'm surprised (no) that they CIA keep info from their colleagues...maybe they just take good care of ya so ya wont harm yaselfs...
inbetween negative and positive is nothing...no wisdom, as wisdom is a positive thing which of course ya gain by addressing/solving the negatives

good luck

love all

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 14, 2011, 02:41:15
IF I AM CORRECT, THEN:

I have single handedly, but without the help of a single other incarnated being, but together with help of multitudes of beings of Love and light, secured the defeat of the evil forces in charge of this reality.

Great! So am I to assume poverty will go away, daisys will bloom across the world and terrorists will take up botany?

Quote from: Astral316 on May 14, 2011, 10:36:04
Great! So am I to assume poverty will go away, daisys will bloom across the world and terrorists will take up botany?

It's all sunshine and lollypops now!  :D

Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 10:39:05
It's all sunshine and lollypops now!  :D

Who can take a sunrise (who can take a sunrise)
Sprinkle it with dew (sprinkle it with dew)
Cover it with choc'late and a miracle or two
GodsProxy (GodsProxy)
Oh, GodsProxy can (GodsProxy can)
GodsProxy can
'Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good (Makes the world taste good)

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 13, 2011, 21:54:32
Could you explain the above? I don't get at all the concepts you are referring to.  I understand Duality as separation from God, and Polarity as being orientation towards good or evil. Correct? If so, please explain further, why "this is my problem".

firstly, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have said "your problem".  it's not my place to make that decision.

anyway that's not really what i meant.  by dualism i meant "good versus evil/opposites" and by polarity i meant "balanced counterparts".  

here's a good example.  

in christian tradition, god is set against the devil.  these are two definitions of good and evil.  notice how in the christian tradition this pair is thought of as being in opposition to eachother, they are "at war" so to say.  

in egyptian mythology, you are presented with counterparts.  so instead of say, osiris being paired with set (who could be thought of as osiris' evil brother, perhaps even like lucifer himself), osiris is paired with his feminine counterpart, isis.  instead of pairing osiris with his opposite, he is paired with his complement.  

i actually choose to look at "lucifer" or the "devil" as jesus' counterpart, his compliment.  while jesus represents the masculine sun, leadership and illumination, lucifer represents the feminine moon, illusion and imagination.  jesus rules our physical lives, while lucifer rules our otherworldly lives.  so for me, the devil isn't evil in the slightest.  in fact, a lot of the evil in this world comes from an unbalanced favor of jesus.

Ether2 realizing you are a Player and not a Piece, I reread your post. Yeah, I'm ready. Not sure who else is though, anyone ready for roll call ? :)

I hope they don't give you too much of a hard time on these forums, its great to meet someone who (can) (actually) think out of the box, and doesn't spend their time replying using standard MS-Word templates.

Quote from: ether2 on May 13, 2011, 23:37:17
we are at the start of a New World a New beginning this includes the minipulation of the climate/weather/death cycle/disease any thing ya can think of including earthquakes most areas proven including earthquakes/deaths and more you other clowns can laugh but no see don't care it's proven to a hand full of people...noone does anything in these areas other than us noone we decide who gets to play with this noone else
and soon i'm sure you will be able to participate as it's the only way to participate---live for other people and love all---should one choose to of course

Quote from: Astral316 on May 14, 2011, 10:36:04
Great! So am I to assume poverty will go away, daisys will bloom across the world and terrorists will take up botany?

Wish it was that simple. But nothing is that simple or easy in a realm which took quite a while to get itself into a tangle.

Thank you for clearing up that terminology for me, it makes sense.

Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 10:48:47
i actually choose to look at "lucifer" or the "devil" as jesus' counterpart, his compliment.  while jesus represents the masculine sun, leadership and illumination, lucifer represents the feminine moon, illusion and imagination.  jesus rules our physical lives, while lucifer rules our otherworldly lives.  so for me, the devil isn't evil in the slightest.  in fact, a lot of the evil in this world comes from an unbalanced favor of jesus.

Well, I disagree, the devil is evil.

However, I have a great deal of respect for him (err, I mean her, Miranda). Do you know, that simply by being so stupidly dumbly absolutely intelligently evil, the devil is a Player? One of the few who actually DID something in this reality?

Do you realize that if the devil had done a half-baked job, and repented his (oops, I mean her) ways half way and rejoined good, we were all doomed anyway, because we would never have taken this threat seriously? Then it was all over, because the Law states, if it can happen, it will happen, and I will tell you right now, because Miranda didn't do her "job" (*SPIT*) someone worse than satan came along, and learned from Miranda's mistakes, and then do a proper job on us?

Well, Miranda did do this to us once and once only. She surrendered (we had factually defeated her), she repented, and made the valid logical argument (originated by Her), that if she hadn't done this, someone else would have, and done it much worse. HER ARGUMENT WAS THAT SHE HAD DONE THIS INTENTIONALLY AS A FAVOUR, TO SAVE US ALL, MAKE US AWARE OF THE THREAT. She was accepted back. She just failed to mention that she had LIED AGAIN, she was no goody two shoes, she was evil to the core. We failed to think intelligently enough about the issue. It all made perfect sense, nice and happy now in our lovely reality without evil.

Then she used her new found freedom and FAME (can you beleive it???) as someone who had actually SAVED US from evil (can you believe the f*cking cheek and sheer BRILLIANCE  of this frickin being), to put herself back into power, and bring everyone back again. THIS TIME WE WERE ABSOLUTELY DEAD AND GONE AND BURIED. 1 chance in 15,000,000 years, and to make such a stupid mistake and throw it all away? Huh? This being is serious, people.

She (Miranda) is a GENIUS. That is why we just, by the love of God, cannot kill her or torture her. I sure hope they found a way to help her. In a weird indirect way, she has indeed saved us from eternal hell! How can we now punish her by putting HER into HELL? This logically doesn't work! WE LOSE, AND WE'RE ALL IN HELL, AND THIS TIME NO MORE CHANCES! Evil has proved itself worthy, and incremental torture for eternity the only way to live! Evil becomes righteous by default! "Love" as an emotion is a crime and a sin! Thus it will be defined into Law, if Miranda overcomes.

You know how many times we held a gun to her head and told her we got her, she better surrender? So she did. Then we looked away for HALF A MILLISECOND, and she was back again in POWER, and a 1 day struggle turned into another 3 DAY DESPERATE, DESPERATE, DESPERATE struggle to regain the upper hand, with the stakes being, WE MIGHT LOSE? WTF? Terror, you cannot imagine the terror.

Then we said, lets torture this grump in her own kind of hell. I HAD SAID, no torture for anyone under any circumstances, but at that point, man we were desperate and scared. Worked for a while, but you can't sit watching someone like that forever. She moaned and begged and pleaded to be let out, her suffering was absolutely real, and we thought we had her! Next thing she was back again!

She got out on a loophole, she said, there must a god somewhere somewhere, this cannot happen to me. Clever little slut. Her plan was watertight, and nobody ever escaped from her fields.

EVENTUALLY, I KILLED HER in honorable 1 on 1 offset of power (mine was raised to exponent on basis of righteousness), but daddy will bring her back, if he hasn't already. She (satan) is a worthy, worthy, worthy opponent. Sure I hate her with all the righteous love for my soulmate at my command, but in this context I give her her due.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 14, 2011, 10:45:49
Who can take a sunrise (who can take a sunrise)
Sprinkle it with dew (sprinkle it with dew)
Cover it with choc'late and a miracle or two
GodsProxy (GodsProxy)
Oh, GodsProxy can (GodsProxy can)
GodsProxy can
'Cause he mixes it with love
And makes the world taste good (Makes the world taste good)

I'm totally stealing that.

Sorry, wrong wording. No body is irrelevant. I just frikin get tired of of insults. I don't know why out right insults are permitted here either.

Quote from: AmbientSound on May 14, 2011, 14:13:36
I'm totally stealing that.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 14, 2011, 14:16:56
Another irrelevant ignorant poster?

That's a matter of perspective really.

My perspective is that your posts are completely irrelevant as well.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 14, 2011, 13:53:49
Thank you for clearing up that terminology for me, it makes sense.

Well, I disagree, the devil is evil.

However, I have a great deal of respect for him (err, I mean her, Miranda). Do you know, that simply by being so stupidly dumbly absolutely intelligently evil, the devil is a Player? One of the few who actually DID something in this reality?

Do you realize that if the devil had done a half-baked job, and repented his (oops, I mean her) ways half way and rejoined good, we were all doomed anyway, because we would never have taken this threat seriously? Then it was all over, because the Law states, if it can happen, it will happen, and I will tell you right now, because Miranda didn't do her "job" (*SPIT*) someone worse than satan came along, and learned from Miranda's mistakes, and then do a proper job on us?

Well, Miranda did do this to us once and once only. She surrendered (we had factually defeated her), she repented, and made the valid logical argument (originated by Her), that if she hadn't done this, someone else would have, and done it much worse. HER ARGUMENT WAS THAT SHE HAD DONE THIS INTENTIONALLY AS A FAVOUR, TO SAVE US ALL, MAKE US AWARE OF THE THREAT. She was accepted back. She just failed to mention that she had LIED AGAIN, she was no goody two shoes, she was evil to the core. We failed to think intelligently enough about the issue. It all made perfect sense, nice and happy now in our lovely reality without evil.

Then she used her new found freedom and FAME (can you beleive it???) as someone who had actually SAVED US from evil (can you believe the f*cking cheek and sheer BRILLIANCE  of this frickin being), to put herself back into power, and bring everyone back again. THIS TIME WE WERE ABSOLUTELY DEAD AND GONE AND BURIED. 1 chance in 15,000,000 years, and to make such a stupid mistake and throw it all away? Huh? This being is serious, people.

She (Miranda) is a GENIUS. That is why we just, by the love of God, cannot kill her or torture her. I sure hope they found a way to help her. In a weird indirect way, she has indeed saved us from eternal hell! How can we now punish her by putting HER into HELL? This logically doesn't work! WE LOSE, AND WE'RE ALL IN HELL, AND THIS TIME NO MORE CHANCES! Evil has proved itself worthy, and incremental torture for eternity the only way to live! Evil becomes righteous by default! "Love" as an emotion is a crime and a sin! Thus it will be defined into Law, if Miranda overcomes.

You know how many times we held a gun to her head and told her we got her, she better surrender? So she did. Then we looked away for HALF A MILLISECOND, and she was back again in POWER, and a 1 day struggle turned into another 3 DAY DESPERATE, DESPERATE, DESPERATE struggle to regain the upper hand, with the stakes being, WE MIGHT LOSE? WTF? Terror, you cannot imagine the terror.

Then we said, lets torture this grump in her own kind of hell. I HAD SAID, no torture for anyone under any circumstances, but at that point, man we were desperate and scared. Worked for a while, but you can't sit watching someone like that forever. She moaned and begged and pleaded to be let out, her suffering was absolutely real, and we thought we had her! Next thing she was back again!

She got out on a loophole, she said, there must a god somewhere somewhere, this cannot happen to me. Clever little slut. Her plan was watertight, and nobody ever escaped from her fields.

EVENTUALLY, I KILLED HER in honorable 1 on 1 offset of power (mine was raised to exponent on basis of righteousness), but daddy will bring her back, if he hasn't already. She (satan) is a worthy, worthy, worthy opponent. Sure I hate her with all the righteous love for my soulmate at my command, but in this context I give her her due.

whoa i didn't realize how absolutely nutty you are.  good show friend.

Lucky Dube, from his song, Prisoner. Lucky Dube was a man of love, who was hijacked and killed by his own kind in his driveway, in South Africa.

He was a black Reggae singer who sang about racial tolerance and love. Lovely, lovely man.

The most popular song in black drinking taverns in Johannesburg.

Somebody told me about it,
When I was still a little boy,
He said to me, "Crime does not pay",
He said to me, "Education is the key",
Yeah,
As a little boy, I thought I know what I was doing,
Yeah maan,

But today, here I am in jail.
I am a prisoner.
I am a prisoner.
I am a prisoner.

I looked all around me, but to see nothing, but to see 4 gray walls staring at surrounding me.
The policeman said to me, Son,
They won't build no schools anymore,
All they build will be prison prison prison.
They won't build no schools anymore,
All they build will be prison prison prison.
They won't build no schools anymore,
All they build will be prison prison prison.

Because today, I am a prisoner.

I asked the policeman and said, how much must I pay for my freedom,
He said to me, Son,
They won't build no schools anymore,
They won't build no hospitals,
All they build will be prison prison prison,
All they build will be prison prison prison,
All they build will be prison prison prison,
All they build will be...

I am a prisoner.

Note: Many people in South Africa are forced into crime as a result of poverty and lack of jobs.

For future reference, any post that contains personal attacks, as per the AUP, I will outright delete.

I don't give a crap how childish your personal attacks are... they have NO PLACE on this forum.

Thanks.

If you had read my website, you would already have realized how "nutty" I am.

That is just a matter of opinion only.

Others might say "interesting" or "different" or perhaps even "credible".

Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 14:31:41
whoa i didn't realize how absolutely nutty you are.  good show friend.

Fair enough, and I apologize to the poster for calling him irrelevant.

Quote from: Xanth on May 14, 2011, 14:23:50
That's a matter of perspective really.

My perspective is that your posts are completely irrelevant as well.

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 14, 2011, 14:59:09
If you had read my website, you would already have realized how "nutty" I am.

That is just a matter of opinion only.

Others might say "interesting" or "different" or perhaps even "credible".

lol, i didn't say it wasn't interesting.  and it certainly is different.  but i don't know enough about you or your practice to say it's credible.  i've never heard any of it before.

Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 15:07:40
but i don't know enough about you or your practice to say it's credible.  i've never heard any of it before.

LOL as well. I really can't blame you for not having heard any of it before. It is completely original material.

I do have references for human beings being "spirit traps", and for some of the other material.

Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 15:07:40
lol, i didn't say it wasn't interesting.  and it certainly is different.  but i don't know enough about you or your practice to say it's credible.  i've never heard any of it before.

Why people find it difficult to accept or believe the things I am saying.

You have spent your whole life, researching, adopting your opinions, and finding your own way. You have decided what is right and wrong about life, and this is every being's right. No-one should force their reality on another either, each person can come to their own conclusions.

Now I seem to be using eternal hell as a threat to force my conclusions on you. Sure enough, but how do I tell you about Reality, without then being suspected as using hell as a tool to indoctrinate you?

I spent 6 months researching, saying affirmations day after day, reading books, listening to lectures etc on Astral Projection. I had not projected but I was willing to put the effort in, because I took on faith the opinion of people who I respected. They said it was possible, and I put everything into it, and they turned out to be right.

So I have what I like to call a common context which I share with you on Astral Projection.

You have no common context with Reality and the genius attack mechanism, in order to be able to relate to my discoveries. What I am trying to do in these posts is to overcome this problem, which is obviously an attack mechanism on its own.

When I learned Astral Projection, I had credible resources to keep me going. Now, you on the other hand, have no credible resource.

I stand to make no money from this effort. I'm not starting a business or a cult. I'm not trying to sell a book or make a movie of fiction, using your inputs to contextualize it (sounds crazy doesn't it, but anyway).

Why do you seem to be the only one who has this "knowledge"?

Part of the defense mechanisms of Reality is that is almost logically impossible for anyone to ever get an accurate enough context in order to understand Reality enough to actually attack it.

My unique and exact set of circumstances, knowledge, background, short comings, insecurities, and up bringing, have allowed me to be given a context.

One of these circumstances, needed to be that I am not a well known or respected authority.

A well studied person has studied by definition everything except the attack mechanisms used by this device, since they have never been suspected, never studied, and never detected.

Such a person would never believe the truth behind reality, since they thought they were studying "Life in Reality".

In fact, they were studying "Life in a spirit trap".

This is INCREDIBLY INSULTING to everyone, everyone, everyone on this planet. Who cares? We're all there. Lets all just try to move on.

Lets take AP. Is this a lie? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Its absolutely real. YOU ARE POSSIBLY TRAVELLING INTO THE _REAL_ WORLD. BUT it has been very very cleverly defended so that you never manage to use it to discover the truth.

Now how does that help me to help you? Remember, that's all I'm doing. I'm trying my utmost to help you, if you want it, and I don't give a damn if you don't want my help, I can't (its logically impossible) for me to force my "beliefs" onto you. I'm clever enough to understand that.

These are all clever defense mechanisms, don't you think?

In fact they are almost UNDEFEATABLE, they were designed that way.

Further, who is going to believe this from someone who is not an authority?

Moving on, also, I happened to have a spirit defender who was watching for me or anyone else who might one day come up to speed.

Then she used an inspired set of spiraling set of context changes to get me up to speed. Its quite simple actually once you get into it. You just build on the existing contexts of a person, then you either modify or tell an outrageous lie about the truth. The person can then work out that you were lying about what she knew already, then she must try figure out WHY you lied, and the WHY usually points towards an improved context. As you get a new context, you can understand new things, and suddenly.... EVERYTHING STARTS TO MAKE PERFECT SENSE.

Our spirit defender knew her and everyone else's future depended on her using her chance effectively. It is probably the only one we might ever get.

something like a spiritual quarantine, this spirit trap?

i understand your point very well.  context, scale and position of perspective.

this is important to me as a psychologist who is very interested in how the human being works.

but you must admit, since the new age craze especially, everyone and their mother has some story of spirit contact and revelations of the great truths.  it's difficult to listen to a sensational story like this and take it seriously.

i am also put off by the apparent literalism of your story.  i've studied many traditions for many years and one of the commonalities across the board is the use of symbolism and metaphor to express universal truths that are by their nature beyond normal human comprehension, things that can only be known, not learned.  for me and my studies there is no hell.  for me, hell is a bastardized version of the underworld from the old religion, the native traditions of our forefathers.  i don't speak of this from a purely theoretical viewpoint either, i have been there many times through meditation and a few times through astral projection.  the underworld of the shaman isn't a hateful torturous place, rather it is the realm of the ancestors, the place to go learn of the earth and our connection to her.  but what you're saying is that my journeys to these places were just "spirit traps"?  like intentional barriers put in place to prevent me from reaching the actual truth?

interesting indeed friend, interesting indeed.

My reply to your question is long. I also move onto other and related issues which your post brings up.

Quote from: personalreality on May 14, 2011, 17:36:35
something like a spiritual quarantine, this spirit trap?

Yes.

Quotebut you must admit, since the new age craze especially, everyone and their mother has some story of spirit contact and revelations of the great truths.  it's difficult to listen to a sensational story like this and take it seriously.

Absolutely!

The more I learn about why it is difficult for others to take it seriously (communicated in a constructive way), the easier it is for me to figure out how to communicate it.

Quotebut what you're saying is that my journeys to these places were just "spirit traps"?  like intentional barriers put in place to prevent me from reaching the actual truth?

Yes, the astral plane would be most actively defended, due to it being the closest to reality.

It is also used as the primary travel mechanism.

It is also used as the defense, attack and administration planes.

I believe there MAY be incarnated people who can project when awake and retain full recall of their experiences. This whole thing about the astral projection experience becoming foggy and unreal 5 minutes after you awake (when in the mean time, the projection was more real than waking life when you were experiencing it), seems very suspicious to me, and sounds like a defense/attack mechanism. The explanation that it is because you were out of your body and not connected with your memory, sounds too glib and convenient.

Especially in view of the fact that memories are most likely not stored in the physical body. Very suspicious indeed.

_Probably_ no memories are actively erased, it just points to a variety of different ways and means that thinking might be controlled.

This also allows me to bring up another point quickly, if you can forgive me. If you see a defense mechanism like this in action, and identify it as such, it gives you a context to figure out the HOW and WHY of it. This can allow you to figure out related and unrelated defense/attacks/contexts.

Usually this can be done through logical deduction.

Even more often it can be done by KNOWING. You feel it in your gut and you KNOW it.

It also allows you to figure out more questions. Also, it allows you to review previous information and recontextualize.

Often an important context must be deduced in reverse.

Don't be scared to throw away things you deduced yesterday and KNEW.

Test things, think uncomfortable thoughts.

Think "impossible thoughts". In other words, think about things which you think are probably the most completely illogical or impossible way that things are setup.

Once again, think uncomfortable thoughts. What would life be like... if someone changed me into a bouncing conscious ball and left me there for eternity. Maybe a soccer ball on earth.

Think "lovely thoughts". What would life be like if we were EXACTLY the way we are now, except minus ALL the negative? Including sickness, operations, etc? What if I could have the sexual appearance and attraction of the beautiful being I am, and share this with the love of my life, on the spiritual plane, forever, in a physical way as well, in a much more intense and fulfilling way than in the physical? What if I never got older?

Ok, moving on.

When you've worked out a new context, think, what if I am completely wrong? Then work out the context again. Then accept or reject based on your gut feel. Then try work out the same thing again tomorrow.

When the penny drops, you usually start laughing, shaking your head at the magnitude of your realization. The worst part for me, is "now how the heck am I going to tell other people about this, which I clearly recognize as the truth, I KNOW IT like I know the sun rises, without being sent to the place with the guys in white coats?"

When more pennies drop, you might start feeling the LOVE. That is because you are becoming safer, the more knowledge you acquire. You are becoming more certain, that we will overcome, and that your future is brighter than you could ever have imagined.

Your position as a projector would give you a much better chance at observing which, if any, lies are attached to AP.

Now that you are aware that your projections MAY be in some way defended, this knowledge alone may give you a chance to overcome the defenses. Sometimes they just use lack of context alone as a defense mechanism.

However, never underestimate "them".

Also, you can often learn much more by observing the lie than by observing the truth. Funnily enough the lie is much easier to observe (or deduce) than the truth.

In most cases the lie is staring at us right in the face.

A very good example of this, is observing people's attitudes about poverty, and what it is like to suffer. The general beliefs that people have about how it feels to starve to death, allow you to deduce many things, and is a primary mechanism that can be used to give a basic understanding of the situation.

The funniest thing is, that many of the attitudes of people in poverty reflect the attitudes of people who are more privileged. A person who rises from rags to riches, seems to forget all about how horrible it was to live in poverty, or never seems to bother communicating it in the fashion that I have. This fact alone would make ME dispute the things I say about poverty. I promise you, that this alone is to me preposterous. It is such an obvious defense mechanism that it gives the whole thing away. I hope I can write more about this one soon.

The above comment on poverty is a good example of the whole process of gaining a context based on observing the obvious lie, then deducing new questions, factors, etc.

Moving on: Another point, please  be careful when reading back my posts. I am trying to cover as much ground as possible, as the opportunity arises, to clarify the context. This might (I don't know how it is for you) be too much to absorb all in one go.

People don't expect so much information to be packed into a few sentences, (or posts for that matter).

Moving on: "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water". Your own personal experience can be the key to understanding. Also be ready to throw away a belief or a lifetime of effort and jot it down to learning. Remember, you wouldn't be where you are right now unless you had done EXACTLY what you did. No-one should ever be allowed to take your experience away from you.  That would be the most unloving thing somebody could ever to do to you.

That is why being born with no recollection of past life, is a dead give away that something is wrong. Your experience is YOUR LIFE. Your hard won, won through ages, sacred experience, which helps make you unique and special, the sacred being who you ARE, always were, and always will be.

Quoteinteresting indeed friend, interesting indeed.

Thank you. :) :) :) :) :)

A psychologist??? FANTASTIC.

PS As I am composing this message I am aware of an entity on the astral off to my left. Can't see exactly, just aware of a presence.

Unusual for me to be aware in such a fashion.

PPS

Also two working together sharing context and comparing notes would be even more valuable.

QuoteYour position as a projector would give you a much better chance at observing which, if any, lies are attached to AP.

PPPS

I'm sure I don't have to mention, read between the lines, and between the thoughts?

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 14, 2011, 21:35:46The more I learn about why it is difficult for others to take it seriously (communicated in a constructive way), the easier it is for me to figure out how to communicate it.

Here's a tip, allow room for doubt in yourself. If you hold tight to your beliefs and communicate them without evidence to show for it, all the tact in the world won't save you from seeming delusional. You have a "context" with which you interpret the world, just like everyone else. Your interpretation has no bearing on my life. Example... you were saving the world from evil while I was having my morning cup of coffee. The sun would've risen this morning, in my world anyway, if you had taken a rain check from the superman gig, so to speak.

I believe the wisest people on Earth will always question their deepest held beliefs about reality... even the ones handed to them firsthand from the most evolved beings in the spirit world. The ones who are most ignorant will sell their beliefs as faith-based fact. Think about that. If you're clever enough to realize this, then you're clever enough to realize your goal here (whatever that may be) won't be accomplished.

My primary intention in posting here and composing my website, was to pass on the information I have gathered, as a precaution, to give us more of a chance that if something happens to me, then someone else can pick up logically where I left off.

PHASE 1 OF PASSING ON MY METHOD OF FIGURING OUT CONTEXT IS NOW COMPLETE

I have passed on enough information for anyone on this planet to figure out the truth by themselves if they are so inclined.

The chances of anyone actually deciding to do this, might be remote.

But I'm LEARNING! I'm starting to take more precautions and assume more responsibility.

That was a hard lesson for me to learn.

All of you, you have no guarantee I will be around tomorrow.

If I stop posting tomorrow or don't reply, keep on trying, but take responsibility yourself. My situation physically is good and getting better day by day, but I've taken quite a knock in getting myself into this position. My guarantees for being here tomorrow to reply to your post, are excellent, but unfortunately, less than average. We're still a planet with evil agents running around believing they have a job to do. Sure I have defenders, but anything is possible.

You also have no guarantee you will be around tomorrow.

So, if you are so inclined, USE ME. I'm here for you now, if you can "wear the boots" and take on the responsibility. I didn't have that luxury when I started.

No-one else in the top secret societies has ever made this offer to anyone, have they?

I don't want riches, fame or fortune. In real life, yes. But in a death trap? No thank you. You guys, take this now, and USE IT. Stop flaming and doubting etc. Do whatever you like with it. My primary objective, of getting this information out there on an emergency basis, is over.

I WANT TO ASK ONE THING IN RETURN FOR SHARING THIS KNOWLEDGE WITH YOU

Share back with me. Never stop talking to me, never stop asking me questions, never stop telling me about your new information and conclusions.

This is a scary, scary, scary place.

Hold my hand, I'll hold yours. I guarantee you we will be safe.

Since I've become party to this information, it has been a very scary and lonely existence indeed.

Hold my hand.

I love you all forever.

My next task (along with continuing to participate here) is to update my website with the information I've got here.

I will continue to post here as well, as a matter of priority. But the danger with this forum, is that the information will eventually age itself naturally as interest wanes and people will move on.

So I need to publish on a web site which has a longer life span.

Then I guess I need to duplicate it onto another physical server in case that server closes down (Phase 2 of passing on info).

It just goes on and on and on.

But its the most fun I've ever had, and I have a purpose and a passion for life that others can only dream of.

Sure, sometimes I get sad, I get scared. I doubt, I pray, and I beg.

Then , when I feel the LOVE, the WONDER of where we are , how we WILL BE ALIVE FOREVER IN JOY AND LOVE AND ECSTACY, when I know it in my water, when I feel my Soulmate's own wonder and her own anticipation at us finally being together, I start crying from joy.

People, I have done this on the street, I have done this now. No-one can ever take this Love I have inside me away.

I invite you to join me....

:) :)

You may have a spiritual admirer yourself. The love of God is one thing, but the love of an Angel of God, (for me especially a female one, and a sexual love at that), IS JUST INCREDIBLE.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 14, 2011, 23:08:55
If you're clever enough to realize this, then you're clever enough to realize your goal here (whatever that may be) won't be accomplished.

SORRY TOO LATE ACCOMPLISHED ALREADY.

You believe whatever you like, I'll believe whatever I like OK? Its my right to pass my info on if I like. I happen to consider it to be important information. If you don't think its important, then that's fine.

I think "my goal here" has been accomplished quite nicely.

I've seen some beautiful responses and already met some incredible people.

Sorry.

Ahh sorry, I thought your goal here was to get anyone to eat up your "original material." I'm glad you set the bar to an achievable level though, congrats.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 14, 2011, 23:08:55

I believe the wisest people on Earth will always question their deepest held beliefs about reality... even the ones handed to them firsthand from the most evolved beings in the spirit world. The ones who are most ignorant will sell their beliefs as faith-based fact. Think about that. If you're clever enough to realize this, then you're clever enough to realize your goal here (whatever that may be) won't be accomplished.

agreeish always tested to see if ya know whats going on the schooling of learning to know/wisdom
however if ya read s/he post you would see some info where by if and only if s/he experienced this and not got second hand info from somewhere... you would see that they are at a height a taste of it for now, ya dont get to experienced that info by being low in the abilities of ther mind period... yeah s/he has some work to do, but we all do but they will soon bypass most... ya dont get a taste of that height and go backwards only one way thats forward... it's called prep/aration...put it this way i'm glade i did'nt have access to sites as this when i was learning how the height works or how they were teaching me how the height works... to know...
s/he has obviously been shown more height than most can comprehend...to me it's clear why...others get shown low to middle, yeah ya learn a little qiucker but it limits ya height/wisdom fully...

good luck

love all

Hey everyone, I have been in contact with GodsProxy for the past few days and he encouraged me to share my experience with you guys. So here is the full unedited email I sent to him.
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To tell you a bit about myself I just graduated from college a few weeks ago with a BS in Computer Science and a BS in Mathematics. I was never raised with any religious views and was a huge atheist.

As to how and what information I recieved , I was laying in bed trying to sleep when these thoughts just started flashing through my head. I felt a bit numb in my body and at one point I even felt as if I could hear each and every molecule in my body speaking. I do not drink, smoke or do drugs and I have never had any mental problems so please try to look past any initial judgments you may draw from reading this. Anyways, I then started to realize a great many things, I honestly can't remember them all for the most part because it was just so much information. I was awake however, I confirmed this by standing up, I should have written this down but it all felt so profound and obvious that I thought I would easily be able to remember it all in the morning and possibly write it down.

Anyways one thing I do remember distinctly is realizing that Earth is hell and that there are things that are very obvious and in our face that protect us from realizing this. I honestly regret not writing this stuff down because it was all crystal clear to me that night. Well, from there I talked to my roommates about my experience and they just brushed me off as joking around. So I did the next best thing and just googled "earth is hell" in hopes that I could find anyone that actually had these views as well.

Luckily I found a link to your website and the things you had written had reminded me so much of the things I had realized in the previous night. It is actually strange that there wasn't even more than five or six other postings discussing this possibility although they only seemed to metaphorically discuss Earth being like Hell.

Hope to hear from you any time,
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Now I have just recently read some, but not all, of the discussion that has gone on here last night so I kind of understand what is being discussed here and what the views are that you guys have. I personally have no knowledge of astral projection or some of the other things that you guys have discussed.

Also, to be quite honest it has only been a few days since I have had these feelings so I am not sure I can be able to answer or even form correct ideas and responses like GodsProxy has.

I hereby announce that the spiritual forces opposing the evil device have been conclusively validated.

AtlasTowers, thank you for posting your experiences here.

Forces of good take credit for bypassing the almost unbreakable communication barriers between the earth and the Spirit World, and channeling this message.

Forces of good received an urgent request from me for help. It seemed that the defense mechanism surrounding communicating this simple, obvious and critical concept, was impossibly breakable, for a variety of reasons. We needed help and we needed it badly.

Help arrived in the form of this "channeling", in almost impossible to explain the set of coincidences.

This gentleman managed to find my web site just a few days after I publicized it on three or four forums.

Furthermore, the message was delivered to him exactly 2 days after my request for help!

Thus a second person on this planet has been given an accurate context for where we are, and made to question the obvious defense mechanisms that keep us trapped here.

It has thus been proven that if a level headed, logically minded, well studied gentleman, can understand and relate to the threat that we are obviously faced with, then anyone can, regardless of whether you have been spiritually contacted or not.

Good forces have once again saved the day.

Quote from: AtlasTowers on May 16, 2011, 08:53:54
Hey everyone, I have been in contact with GodsProxy for the past few days and he encouraged me to share my experience with you guys. So here is the full unedited email I sent to him.
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To tell you a bit about myself I just graduated from college a few weeks ago with a BS in Computer Science and a BS in Mathematics. I was never raised with any religious views and was a huge atheist.

As to how and what information I recieved , I was laying in bed trying to sleep when these thoughts just started flashing through my head. I felt a bit numb in my body and at one point I even felt as if I could hear each and every molecule in my body speaking. I do not drink, smoke or do drugs and I have never had any mental problems so please try to look past any initial judgments you may draw from reading this. Anyways, I then started to realize a great many things, I honestly can't remember them all for the most part because it was just so much information. I was awake however, I confirmed this by standing up, I should have written this down but it all felt so profound and obvious that I thought I would easily be able to remember it all in the morning and possibly write it down.

Anyways one thing I do remember distinctly is realizing that Earth is hell and that there are things that are very obvious and in our face that protect us from realizing this. I honestly regret not writing this stuff down because it was all crystal clear to me that night. Well, from there I talked to my roommates about my experience and they just brushed me off as joking around. So I did the next best thing and just googled "earth is hell" in hopes that I could find anyone that actually had these views as well.

Luckily I found a link to your website and the things you had written had reminded me so much of the things I had realized in the previous night. It is actually strange that there wasn't even more than five or six other postings discussing this possibility although they only seemed to metaphorically discuss Earth being like Hell.

Hope to hear from you any time,
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Now I have just recently read some, but not all, of the discussion that has gone on here last night so I kind of understand what is being discussed here and what the views are that you guys have. I personally have no knowledge of astral projection or some of the other things that you guys have discussed.

Also, to be quite honest it has only been a few days since I have had these feelings so I am not sure I can be able to answer or even form correct ideas and responses like GodsProxy has.

I'm sorry?  What does this "PROVE" again?

Two independent spiritual channelings relating to a VERY SERIOUS topic, containing correlating facts, should be proof of the fact that we are trouble.

Quote from: Xanth on May 16, 2011, 13:04:15
I'm sorry?  What does this "PROVE" again?

AtlasTowers had the "realization" that Earth is hell. You're telling us we're all going to hell for eternity. Sounds like two fundamentally distinct beliefs to me.

I understood that he had a rush of unexplainable thoughts, similar to an AP in that he forgot soon afterwards the detailed content, which led to an urge to find out the truth.

Sounds like a channeling to me, and very similar to my experiences.

"Earth is hell" (intentionally made so by the powers that be) and "going to hell for eternity" sound like VERY similar concepts to me.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 16, 2011, 14:08:27
AtlasTowers had the "realization" that Earth is hell. You're telling us we're all going to hell for eternity. Sounds like two fundamentally distinct beliefs to me.

Well I guess in your mind any "channeling" involving the concept of hell would be a verification of your ideas because going to a place you're already at is a logical paradox.

Exactly my point regarding context. Do you realize that there could be a hell and then a worse hell? Perhaps a sequence of hells?

I've read some Astral books that point towards there being "lower astral hells". You can take an elevator down and the further one descends, the worse it gets. So this certainly isn't a new concept - there being magnitudes of hell.

Earth is one magnitude of hell, the next realm a MUCH worse one.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be in any realm termed a "hell", thank you very much.

Quote from: Astral316 on May 16, 2011, 14:25:23
Well I guess in your mind any "channeling" involving the concept of hell would be a verification of your ideas because going to a place you're already at is a logical paradox.

You're slowly creating your own hell. 
Eventually, if you haven't already, you'll begin living it.  :evil:

Reality is reality. A glass of water is a glass of water whether you're the president or a janitor.

When you die, you go to a pre-manufactured hell, much the same as you don't have to create your own glass of water.

When you are born, you are born into a pre-manufactured hell, called Earth.

Notice any difference between born and dying?

Quote from: Xanth on May 16, 2011, 14:57:26
You're slowly creating your own hell.  
Eventually, if you haven't already, you'll begin living it.  :evil:

QuoteWhen you die, you go to a pre-manufactured hell, much the same as you don't have to create your own glass of water.

Says who? :?

Quote from: GodsProxy on May 16, 2011, 14:47:50
Exactly my point regarding context. Do you realize that there could be a hell and then a worse hell? Perhaps a sequence of hells?

I've read some Astral books that point towards there being "lower astral hells". You can take an elevator down and the further one descends, the worse it gets. So this certainly isn't a new concept - there being magnitudes of hell.

Earth is one magnitude of hell, the next realm a MUCH worse one.

Personally, I wouldn't want to be in any realm termed a "hell", thank you very much.

And there are also Astral books that talk about higher realms or heavens. It all balances out, positive and negative energy. The only battle between the two occurs within the individual. If you think you're going to a pre-manufactured hell after death then you probably will. You'll be battling demons after death sort of like you're "battling demons" in life. That may very well be your reality.

Here on Earth, some people may have everything but their minds may be in constant turmoil...in hell. Someone else who may be homeless and barely any possessions may be serene within and display a big smile. There is no heaven and hell unless you make one subjectively. This is one physical realm where mind states vary dramatically. Someone's hell might be another heaven and vice versa. :roll:

One thing I do not understand is why everyone sees the line "earth is hell" as a metaphor. And then you try and interpret it into some kind of way where earth has all of these terrible things or how inside the individual's mind there are horrible tortures.

Yes, I understand people go through rough things and bad things happen all over the world but I am not saying for one second that earth is like a hell or existence can be hell I am trying to say in the most literal way that this world or universe is hell in actuality.

Quote from: AtlasTowers on May 16, 2011, 18:31:20
One thing I do not understand is why everyone sees the line "earth is hell" as a metaphor. And then you try and interpret it into some kind of way where earth has all of these terrible things or how inside the individual's mind there are horrible tortures.

Yes, I understand people go through rough things and bad things happen all over the world but I am not saying for one second that earth is like a hell or existence can be hell I am trying to say in the most literal way that this world or universe is hell in actuality.

This world, and your life here is what you make of it.  If you choose to see this Earth as hell, then go right ahead... you're going to have a very hell-ish time here.
Enjoy!

The thing is I have a very healthy and active life. There is nothing about it that I could describe as hell to you besides the fact that this is the literal hell.

Again, I am not some kind of nut case or anything and I don't have all of the answers like GodsProxy,

17.   THE FOLLOWING ERRONEOUS POLICIES WERE CHANNELED ARE HEREBY CANCELLED:

--17. CANCELLED: War crimes tribunals will be held where perpetrators are held accountable on a case by case basis.--
--18.   CANCELLED AS BEING CHILDISH AND INAPPROPRIATE: Punishment for the worst offender of war crimes, will be a sentence of One Hundred (100) Hugs from a being of Pure Unconditional Love.--
--18a: CANCELLED: Possibility of Father God terminating beings "unworthy of life". There is no unworthy life anywhere.

NEW ORDERS RECEIVED FROM HIGH COMMAND (MODIFIED)

THERE WILL BE NO RETRIBUTION OR PUNISHMENT FOR ANYONE WHATSOSEVER, INCLUDING SATAN #1. SATAN #1 SIMPLY SUFFERED FROM A LACK OF CONTEXT WHICH COULD NEVER BE CORRECTED, ALMOST BY DEFINITION. SHE HAS NOW BEEN ASSISTED IN THIS REGARD.

THERE IS AN AMNESTY DECLARED STARTING FROM THE BEGINNING OF LIFE AND ENDING WHEN THE TRAP IS DISMANTLED. EVERY SINGLE EVIL OFFICER WHO SANCTIONED ETERNAL HELL WAS HIMSELF LIVING IN TERROR OF LANDING UP IN HELL HIMSELF.

PEOPLE WHO ARE SCARED OF RETRIBUTION MAY CHOOSE TO LIVE IN LOGICALLY ISOLATED AREAS OF THE NEW WORLD, WHERE THEY WILL BE 100% SAFE.

PREVIOUS ERRONEOUS COMMENTS IN THIS REGARD HAVE CAUSED GREAT PROBLEMS, AND A PERPETUATION OF THIS PROBLEM. THIS COMMAND IS SIGNED INTO LAW AND VERIFIABLE TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL, PLEASE REFER TO YOUR HIGHEST AUTHORITY.

FURTHERMORE, TERMINATION OF ANY LIFE WHATSOEVER BY FATHER GOD WILL NOT BE DONE AS WAS PREVIOUSLY ERRONEOUSLY STATED. HE CONSIDERS ALL LIFE EVERYWHERE EQUALLY GOOD AND WORTHY OF LIFE WITHOUT EXCEPTION.

FURTHERMORE, BEINGS WHO HAVE BEEN KILLED (REDUCED TO ZERO OR BELOW, OR SITTING IN A STATE OF APATHY) WILL BE RESURRECTED AND RESTORED.

CERTAIN BEINGS IN ETERNAL HELL DEATH TORTURE BELOW THE LEVEL OF EARTH AND IN CERTAIN FIELDS, AND CERTAIN BEINGS TRAPPED IN THE EARTH DEVICE, NUMBERING LOGICAL INFINITIES, CAN ONLY LOGICALLY BE RELEASED ONCE THE TRAP HAS BEEN DISMANTLED.

PLEASE WE CANNOT TOLERATE OUR LOVED ONES BEING TORTURED FOR ONE INSTANT LONGER. PLEASE ASSIST IN PEACEFULLY DISMANTLING THIS DEVICE. THE AUTHOR HAS CONTACT WITH COMMAND AND THIS IS FEASIBLE.

Dude, what are you smoking?

Banana skins?

he's shown ya something, but as one learns when developing the mind they soon see it anyway...some clearly not enough...it's had over 1300 hits he's taught someone something

good luck

love all

Overture/ Curtain/ Lights.
This is it/ the night of nights.
No more rehearsing and nursing a part
We know every part by heart.

Overture/ Curtain/ Lights.
This is it, you'll hit the heights.
And oh what heights we'll hit
On with the show, this is it!

Tonight what heights we'll hit
On with the show, this is it!

ROFL... and with that, the fat lady sang. 

You've lived up to your name TK.  ;)