The Astral Pulse

I'm one of a group that have subscribed to Frank's virtual classroom.

Last time we heard about him was around 5 weeks ago. He mentioned then that he would give the group member 3 weeks to decide whether they wanted to stay or leave the group and have a refund.

I sincerely hope that he is not so sick as to be unable to send just one email.

Does anyone here have more information?

I don't believe that he is untrustworthy.  But it would be a good time to give some explanation.

I don't think an explanation will be found from Frank. He seems to of blown off the virtual class and taken our real money.
I have been asking for a refund since August when he claimed he was first sick. Not one of those emails have been returned.  While Frank has no doubt helped many members here on the board he has certainly ruffled many feathers by stealing our money.

Regards,
David White

What exactly is his condition? Is he close to death?

The only explanation, if Frank is honest, would be that his physical condition makes him unable even to send an email. But no one seem able to give us any information in regards to this

His web site address is working fine and the automated replies are sent normally and rapidly. But this is an automated response system.

But members here should be informed that Frank is either very sick, OR this was a scam.

So be careful and wait if you are interested in his newsletter offer and/or in subscribing to his Virtual Classroom. Members have been asking for a refund for many weeks, some for months and they never got any answers to their requests.

Quote from: runlolayou can easily request a refund from paypal, so why don't you do that!

After 2 months you can no longer ask for a refund or inquire about a charge back with Paypal. It has now been 4 months that I have been asking for a refund.  Strangely, every email has gone unanswered from Frank and his partner who was handling the business side of things in the UK.

"Runlola"

Do you know anything about Frank's health condition?

And one thing you shouldn't forget. Frank had a partner in building this up. Why doesn't this partner send us an email.  

He did send an email to the member of his Classroom saying that he was having problem with his health. He also said that he was giving members three weeks to either stay or ask for a refund. That was 6 weeks ago.

Everyone that subscribed to Frank's Classroom trusted him. And I think everyone would be more than happy to wait this out if he is genuinely sick.

Isn't it normal after all this time to ask what's happening?

Quote from: runlolaRemember all this crap you are saying about him,
it may be your last words to him!
think about it.

runlola, what these guys are saying is not crap, it's simply what's happening. No "mysticism" in their words. By the way, if he had a partner, he should contact them and refund their money or AT LEAST give some explanation. You know, a lot of people here is worried about Frank and they deserve an explanation.
-"They deserve an explanation ?? Why ?"
-Simple, because they are worried about Frank.
-"Oh yeah ? Are they family, friends or what ??"
-Right. They are nothing so then, they deserve the refund.

I hope nobody felt guilty for asking that kind of questions because they were correct from any point of view.
I can't believe.
You think about it, runlola.

Magic.

Runlola, I think the "victims" might feel it is necessary.   Call it a venting, getting something off your chests thing.

But I suggest you do what Runlola says, and that is, go to paypal.  If it has been too long for you to actually get that refund then....ummmmm....YELL at paypal?

I DO know that this is very uncomfortable for all of the moderators involved, well, at least it is for me...can't talk for all the mods.  

What does one do when feeled pulled in two different directions?  

This has got to be one for the books..

Nay

Thanks for the understanding Nay. I can fully understand the position this puts the moderators in. I appreciate this thread not being closed too.

runlola: I won't get my money back coz I wasn't subscribed to those Virtual Classrooms. "THINK about it" you said. And yes, I will think about this, coz even if he is very ill, his partner should mail these guys or something.
Time will show us what happened, hope Frank is well.

Nay: it's natural to feel uncomfortable in a case like this, but to be honest, you don't have to. I think everybody understand that even mods like you don't have a clue about what happened.

What I really can't understand is that you guys who are more close to Frank than others, can't contact him in order to check out what happened to him. I'm not speaking about the f_cking money or the classrooms, I'm speaking about his health or what the hell is happening. Maybe we can help, maybe not, but it's natural that we want to know.


Magic.

if it were a con it would be one of the more thought ahead ones as frank has been posting here for 4 or 5 years.

You guys know that franks business and virtual classroom are small gigs. theres probably not much him or his partner can do, maybe it was his brother and he went to visit him or something.

Just wait it out and be patient.

Runlola,

You seem to look at all of this only through the money involved. The majority of the posts consider that Frank could be having problem with his health. And everyone would be patient if we knew that.

Now Frank is a very intelligent man. Reading many of is posts here, everybody will agree.

Now, he started a "business" with his newsletter and Virtual Classroom and we all trusted him for the above reasons, and for his solid reputation here for the last 5 years or so.

He build his business with a partner, he said so himself, because he wasn't very good in the money aspect (PayPall etc.).

Up to here, nobody was impatient. He kept us informed regularly. His computer broke down, a member gave him a new one and sent it from the USA. He then forgot about the electrical differences between an American machine versus Europe, and caused problems with this new computer. Etc...

Even if all of this took a long time to put together, everyone on the Virtual Classroom list was patient and waiting. No problem.

Last email, he said that he was giving 3 weeks to members to decide if they stayed or wanted a refund. It's been 6 weeks now, and since then no news.

The question of credibility arrose when some asked for a refund, BEFORE that last email...but they never got a reply.

Although everybody respect Frank, we are legitimate to wonder what's going on.

I understand that you guys want your money back. But i would say it is highly unlikely that Frank is a liar. Just think about it, he posted here for years providing help and advise to hundreds and giving tausends of hours of his time. Then it he made his real name public and lauched a website to advertise his book. He even published his adress. this would be highly unlogic if his plan was to cheat on you guys. Just read his posts, he is a good person.

So unfortunately I have to conclude, that he is very ill or probably dead. Very sad news regarding the awesome teacher and helper he was on this board and regarding all his knowledge that could be lost cause he couln'd bring out his book. So my thoughts are  with Frank and I wish he gets healthy again. If he doesnt come back I'll  remeber him as a Teacher not as a liar, cause teaching was what he did not lying!

Tom

I agree with you Tombo.

The only difficult part is how come he or his partner couldn't inform us.  :?:

I agree....

I was hoping to buy his ebook after reading his web-site and it is why I signed up for his Class Room as I am a total newbie to this.  After seeing and reading some of Frank's thousands of posts here and how long he has made the posts I really doubt this was some kind of elaborate scheme.  I mean if it were the money he truly would have made more from positive feedback and his ebook.  

I hope he can recover as I read only a small portion of his posts.  He seems to have a wealth of specialized knowledge that can benefit all people who seek it.  

I will try to start at the beginning and read his posts.

I'm not sure what I can do with the $300 Pay-Pal thing as they say you only have 45 days to file a Buyer Complaint and after that they will just record the fact.

Scott

Perhaps my wording was a bit strong in my first post to this thread. I don't think Frank ever had a plan to scam anyone. My words derived from the conclusion that I paid for a service and the service was not delivered nor was an refund issued. In my world that means my money was taken.
I would like to be noble and just and say that the money is a side issue because really it is. Frank's health is more important than that. One thing to realize though is that money can sure buy my family a lot of groceries and clothing.

Quote from: gerI agree with you Tombo.

The only difficult part is how come he or his partner couldn't inform us.  :?:

As far as the fact is concerned that Franks partner didn't contact you I have no good explanation for that.

No one who have contact with Frank? Maybe we could try some group healing!?

or travel to France.........

I started this thread, mainly to try to get answers. I thought that Frank could have close friends on this site after being here for so many years.

I have decided to let this whole thing down. If all of this is caused by Frank's bad health, then I will wait it out and hopefully he will "be back in the land of the living" as he used to say.

In the remote eventuality that this was a scam, then so be it, I'm letting go.

Best of wishes to everyone.

^Good choice. Even if frank somehow died im sure one of us could contact him in F3oC. Or he would contact us ;)

Quote from: Ben K^Good choice. Even if frank somehow died im sure one of us could contact him in F3oC. Or he would contact us ;)

:shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:  :shock:

that would rule!

Quote from: Ben K^Good choice. Even if frank somehow died im sure one of us could contact him in F3oC. Or he would contact us ;)

Yeah, didn't Houndini promise he would send a message for proof the afterlife!
They still have seances, but no joy...

Why has he not chosen to speak?

I'm little surprised that non of the moderators knows something specific. I really thought some know him on a personal basis.

Quote from: TomboI'm little surprised that non of the moderators knows something specific. I really thought some know him on a personal basis.

I'm also surprised.  Because the moderators accepted Frank to publicized his business here, with obviously no means to reach him.

I agree. I'm actually also surprised that the modes do not give more feedback on this thread. Even if it were only to make clear that do not have a clue whats going on. After all it's the most active mod of the last couple of years that is ( as it appears) probably dying.

Like many here, I've paid for the VC and been frustrated by the lack of response,
but rather than vent in public I've tried to write it off and communicate with Frank via the mods/administrator of the forum.
The feedback has been varied and at times confusing, although I do believe that this has not been a deliberate scam.

The guy must be seriously ill and for whatever personal reasons does not/did not want this shared with the wider world.  He's made an effort to appear normal on the few times he's been able to come onto the forum and this has probably given the wrong impression to many.

I believe that if he does make it back then all will be sorted out eventually. If he doesn't, then we may all have to just write off the financial errors and send our love to him and his family, knowing that wherever he is, the last thing he'll need to be concerned about is money! :)

The angry response of some of the mods has to be seen in the light that they may have a view of the bigger picture, but may also have been asked not to share it with everyone.
We need to honour that and try not to respond in the same way.

Thoughts are energy and right now I guess he needs all the positive energy he can take, let's not be sending too much negative energy his way, when we (of all people) should be sending love, support and healing.
Others who don't understand or have an insight to our ultimate reality can be excused, we should know better.

So Frank, if you're in a position to hear this, I know you've maintained a frugal lifestyle and there's not much cash around. Please take the money I sent with my blessings and if you can use it to help, please do. We can always work something out in the future if needs be.  
In the meantime, use the cash as you can best use it and focus on yourself.

Blessings
Jon

First off...where have I been that I missed all this?!?
Secondly...I am personally sending the healing energy along to Frank, whether for his illness or for the alleged scam...he'll need it either way.
I didn't sign up for any class, so I'm not missing any money...so my input here is not malicious but...

I have to include this, bcuz the hype Frank generated around himself always left a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not saying he's a con-artist, but his website definitely makes him sound like one (imho)

Quote
I eventually created a powerful approach that did (finally!) enable me to unlock all the secrets I could ever wish for, and many more besides... a LOT more.

QuoteFACT: Following my approach, enables you to prove to yourself that physical reality is not something you are at the mercy of. You progressively come to realize that the elements that serve to make up your physical reality are, in fact, elements that you create. Once you are able to make that realization, your physical reality progressively comes under your control. In other words, YOU begin to actually control the events that take place in your life, rather than have these events control you!

He talks about creating wealth, and healing illness, and I read things about him being very ill and not having a computer and it makes me wonder...that's all...just wonder.

I'd say we all send Frank a whole lot of love for whatever he's going through, and for those that have (up to this point) lost their hard earned money...think of it as an expensive lesson in life. afterall from the above...you manifested exactly what you needed. of course that's relative

soul

Only now i saw this thread.

From what i know about Frank, he is a nice and kind person. I cant see what kind of problems does he have, really.

I hope that he can come back again, with no problems and i hope that he can solve all this mess about money, etc, etc.

Souljah333,
Nearly all sites i see trying to sell AP books/CD's etc, look like a scam, not saying they are, they just seem to promise way more then is possible to deliver. The front page of astralpulse for instance:

QuoteHow to effortlessly attract infinite wealth, health and happiness into your life

Discover the real secrets of virtually healing any disease, however serious

Im more interested in the AP, all the other paragraphs added to help sell the book just put me off. (no offence anyone (personal opinion)).

Interesting and somewhat sad point about the health thing also, i really hope its nothing serious.

Anyways, I personally dont believe you have been scammed, I dont think he would purposely take your money and leave after 3 years spent on a great forum like this. I can fully sympathise however with the way you feel, but im sure it'll all be sorted in time.

It would be nice however if an admin in the know... maybe Adrian who has more personal contact with Frank could get in touch with those who have paid money and brief them with a bit more information, just reassure them if needs be (no need to go into detail). Im pretty sure someone must have information on the situation (just named you Adrian because you are listed as DNS admin of Franks site.)

>RooJ

It's hard for me to take any book seriously that promises infinite effortless wealth (although this is Adrian's book in question, not anything of Frank's).  Maybe I'm just too cynical (and maybe that's why I can't have infinite wealth... I have to free my mind from these constraints :p)

Regardless, Adrian really, really, really needs to change the layout of the page hyping his book.  Super long text page reiterating the same points over and over ending with a section that talks about how his $30 value is really a $100 value is like THE style that con artists use and people will pass it up because of that.

Quote from: BlackstreamIt's hard for me to take any book seriously that promises infinite effortless wealth (although this is Adrian's book in question, not anything of Frank's).  Maybe I'm just too cynical (and maybe that's why I can't have infinite wealth... I have to free my mind from these constraints :p)

Regardless, Adrian really, really, really needs to change the layout of the page hyping his book.  Super long text page reiterating the same points over and over ending with a section that talks about how his $30 value is really a $100 value is like THE style that con artists use and people will pass it up because of that.

I agree, It is really not needful to do that but more likely counterproductive.

Hello everyone,

Thank you very much for your comments.

First of all on the Frank issue; I really would like to be able to tell you the exact status of Frank, but I cannot because I simply do not know. Of course I have contacted him but received no response.

I can say without doubt that Frank is no conman. I have known him for three years or so and his contributions to the forums and to helping people generally, and freely go without saying. Look at the number and length of his posts, and he is a genuine expert on these matters.

I can only conclude that whatever Frank's situation is it is serious and genuine, and only time will tell. I will of course keep everyone informed if I hear anything.

Regarding the webpage for my book; I can tell you that it took many months of consideration to arrive at that format. The page has to have impact in order to put across all of the genuine virtues of the book; you simply cannot do that in a weak sort of way if people are to take notice. I have numerous testimonials and letters of thanks from people who have bought and read the book and no negative ones. The book is changing peoples lives in a big way just as it is intended to do.

It is a fact that most websites, including those offering excellent products sell next to nothing. This is because they put together some fancy looking page with lots of graphics and a complex layout with links etc., and those sites simply do not work for the most part.

To say that a salesletter must be a scam is, with all due respect, a totally erroneous observation. There are scams around of course, but I can show you 10,000 sales letters all offering genuine products.

I can say that many people who are both experts in marketing and offering valuable Spiritual services have congratulated me on that page, and wanted to know who wrote it so they could have one too :)

My objective is to offer the best service I possibly can and effectively promoting my book is a part of that; and believe me, that page is very effective. I have of course received similar comments to those here, but with respect to those people they do not understand marketing. I have considered altering the page, but the worst thing anyone can do is to alter something that is already highly effective.

At the final analysis the vast majority of people buying the book have found it to be extremely valuable, and what made them decide to purchase it is completely irrelevant.

I do appreciate everyones comments of course and do take note of them, and I hope you will keep the comments coming whether positive or negative.

If anyone has any concerns about anything discussed here or otherwise please feel free to mail me anytime at: adrian@astralpulse.com

Best regards,

Adrian.

I can't understand what are we talking about here... everything started well  and just asking about what happened with Frank, his VCs, the money, paypal and a lot of things ...
Now, this conversation started turning around and we end up like critics about Franks page and at the end about Adrians page ? What the hell is happening here ? I mean, who cares about how they sell they books/products ? I agree with Adrian that is a marketing thing and anyway, people decide if they wanna buy it or not. And if that about the wealth, health is true on not, it's a matter of trying. I didn't buy/read Adrians book, but in order to say that is a "Scam" at least I have to read it and try the techniques or whatever it takes.
If you read A LOT of books in the bookstores, they will tell you how to be rich, etc, etc, etc. In fact, the first one that come to my mind is: "Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich" ... the cover and everywhere have claims about getting rich reading the book ... and if you apply those concepts, for sure you will be rich !! Where's the scam there ? There's no Scam. It's that we are lazy and end up throwing the book maybe without even ending it ... and then ? We review it like: "Yeah yeah, it's good but..." ... but what ? But you didn't apply anything you you simply can't speak.
So now, even if the book of Adrian or the (future) book of Frank have claims that are unreachable for most people, that does not mean that is a scam, and by the way, marketing is marketing. Maybe they have to sell it in order to survive in this money-oriented world.
Guys, let's be real, there's nothing wrong with that. And anyway, why didn't you mention about Adrian's page before ? That page is there since I don't even remember ... I never see nobody complaining about it, but now, we end up involving him and Franks page, and whatever ...

Kisses for everyone,
Magic.

First Adrian, I very much appreciate you replying here.  This clears some things up. It is good to see that you react to critics with an open ear and don't dismiss them without taking it into consideration. This reinforces the trust I have into this site.

Second, I don't think there is anything wrong with this thread. I mean people have questions, things they do not understand or issues they are unhappy about. Isn't it good to talk about that and then let the responsible people reply? Would it be better to not say something and just be angry or insecure about thing in silence. Communication is very important and that's what's happening here. It is better to sort things out, definitely better.

i'm the one that brought up franks website...so you can direct the criticism at me. as for both books & the marketing tactics...i did bring it up in the past, and no one wanted to hear anything i had to say.

dear magic: you have an opinion, i have an opinion, etc. point is...there is something to a "hard-sell". there's a reason for it and believe it or not it has absolutely nothing to do with spirituality...it's all about money. go ahead and argue that if you want, but what is being touched on here (where the thread has turned) is in people drawing on their intuition. it's not genuine that's all, and that's all that people are saying. they are actually giving "useful" advice that would help...if certain people involved weren't so darn hard-headed.
that junk doesn't sell anymore. it does, but it doesn't. it's not substantial. it's fly-by-night...it's get some cash from as many desperate/naive people as possible, and get out quick.

if adrian & frank are such "experts" on the subject of astral projection, why haven't i heard them on coast to coast??? that's where i heard robert, and that's how i ended up here, and interviews like that are a perfect example of real, productive marketing. not a sales "pitch". i'm tired of the come back...."i have proof. i have letters. my way is the only way".

i offered several ideas on how to substantiate the book...like having a monthly draw to give away a free copy, or a membership area that could be accessed on a dime for members, or breaking down the book into smaller portions that could be purchased in parts. i think a lot of people here came up with the same & similar ideas....a way of getting the book circulating here at the forum and members reviewing it. that's what people do when they are in it for the long, legitimate haul. anyway...this is pointless. it was all totally thrown back...like those of us who wanted to help were stupid.

and tombo: no offense but i don't see what was cleared up?!? and as far dismissing constructive criticism...i think that's what he did. again.
you are right about getting things off your chest. which personally is what i'm doing..but for anyone that is looking for validation or having things "sorted out"...i don't think that's going to happen.

does seem very strange that someone would invest so much time here, and not juice it for what it was worth (if they were a con-artist). that's the only thing that makes me believe that frank is genuinely ill. still...like everyone has said 1 post from a relative or friend, or one email to 1 person that signed up (that could be forwarded). that would be the respectable thing to do. i'm sure one of you involved will let the rest of us know if that happens.

all this energy & speculation floating around isn't healthy
peace
soul

Quote from: Souljah333and tombo: no offense but i don't see what was cleared up?!?

Adrian said he tried to reach Frank but wasn't successful and that he will inform us if he has any news. That's good to know, for me at least.

QuoteI'd say we all send Frank a whole lot of love for whatever he's going through, and for those that have (up to this point) lost their hard earned money

Yeah, Soul, sounds like you're full of love. If I got sick and disappeared from the forum, I wonder if you would start circling like a vulture for me, too.

I will admit that the hard-sell web-page turns me off, too. But that's because I distrust anything that's selling anything. If you were in marketing, however, you would agree that it is a good way to get the most people to take a look at what you have to offer. As for asking for money for something like this, I believe we already had the discussion. Hans Solo made some very good points.

As for Adrian's book, in my personal opinion it is very much worth the money (as I've stated elsewhere).

i probably wouldn't even notice you were missing. sorry, but that's the truth.

Adrian and Frank can be the most good persons in the world, but they still need money for eating and buy clothes and other things that normal humans need. So, if the webpage that they have its good for atract more money (and they dont offend anyone with that marketing webpage) i just have to agree with what they do.

I would do the same.

I dont even get shocked if someone tells me that Fank or Adian has a Ferrari. Its not the marketing neither the things that they possess that will tell me if they are good or bad guys. We all want to have a good life, we all want money and need money and, why not, some luxury in our lives.

Anyway, i think what Souljah wants to say. She wants to say that webpages like the one of Frank or Adrian, with aspect, sometimes are just selling worthless things. In fact i think i can say the same, because in the internet you see lots of stuff (that worth nothing) using similar marketing techniques. But in this particular case, i think that both aFrank and Adrian are selling good products (i speak from what i know about them, because i never read their books).

For unknown reason...I can never argue with you Kazbadan!
I forfeit!  :wink:
You're just too damn cute for words!!!

QuoteI can say that many people who are both experts in marketing and offering valuable Spiritual services have congratulated me on that page, and wanted to know who wrote it so they could have one too

I point you to the first sentence of my last post here :).

QuoteI have of course received similar comments to those here, but with respect to those people they do not understand marketing.

no, im not a marketing expert, but i am a member of your target audience... so my comments can't be that useless :P.

I also want to clarify that i dont think anyones scamming anyone here. I didnt mean to drag your book into this, i just mentioned the front page comments as an example. Im glad to see you take it as constructive critisism and i wish you continued success with your book. Aslong as people are finding it useful and your happy selling it then its all good :).

Anyways back to Frank, If the astralpulse server logs go far back enough to cover franks last post it should be possible to use his IP back then (aslong as its static) to check whether frank has visited the forums lately. If it was a scam he would most certainly check back here to see what people are saying.

And before i get flamed for that "I DONT THINK HE HAS SCAMMED ANYONE" just want peace of mind for people :D

>RooJ

Quote from: Souljah333For unknown reason...I can never argue with you Kazbadan!
I forfeit!  :wink:
You're just too damn cute for words!!!

lol :D, i dont know if that is an eulogy or hte opposite

maybe my words are "cute" because i only commit mistakes due to my english :)

btw, i was not against your opinio, just showing different thoughts about this discussion.

Well to be honest, I have to look at it from this point of view.  The scam artists that do use that layout, use it for a reason.  That reason is probably being that it works :P  It would make no sense for said person to use a layout that gives them nothing instead. (Don't take this as saying I think your site is a scam, more like your format does most likely work)

Now, me personally, I already said that the thing that makes me shy away from the book is that it promises infinite wealth, but I suppose I might look into your book anyways, because I know you well enough to know you've got to be for real.

Quote from: Souljah333
if adrian & frank are such "experts" on the subject of astral projection, why haven't i heard them on coast to coast??? that's where i heard robert, and that's how i ended up here, and interviews like that are a perfect example of real, productive marketing. not a sales "pitch". i'm tired of the come back...."i have proof. i have letters. my way is the only way".

If your definition of expertise is an appearence on a talk show(which is purely for advertising purposes in the first place, just listen to how much they want to sell you next time you listen to C2C!) then you are ignorant. RB wants to sell you his books and keep you entertained with silly beliefs. We're just interested in learning, without fighting demons or having scary experiences or any of that stupid bull****. Some people like that, though. Its all preference.

He had hundreds of people paying for his services, maybe his partner ran away with the money and now he's ashamed to contact you.

Wonder who said he was sick?

Quote from: Ben K

Quote from: Souljah333
if adrian & frank are such "experts" on the subject of astral projection, why haven't i heard them on coast to coast??? that's where i heard robert, and that's how i ended up here, and interviews like that are a perfect example of real, productive marketing. not a sales "pitch". i'm tired of the come back...."i have proof. i have letters. my way is the only way".

If your definition of expertise is an appearence on a talk show(which is purely for advertising purposes in the first place, just listen to how much they want to sell you next time you listen to C2C!) then you are ignorant. RB wants to sell you his books and keep you entertained with silly beliefs. We're just interested in learning, without fighting demons or having scary experiences or any of that stupid bull****. Some people like that, though. Its all preference.

Just a question of credibility in reality.  RB is just got more credibility and respect, no matter if you believe in his theories or not.

At the end of the day, he's never wound anyone up, by not producing book, breaking his promises, and pulling illogical disappearing acts.
RB has clearly been and is straight down the line.

There is one simple rule in my book, if that person has not got a book you can buy from amazon.com and has a ISBN no, he's not a credible author.

AT the end of the day, I can goto amazon and buy any of RB's books.

I can also,  by books from monroe, Slyvan Muldoon all the classics
and a whole load of far more credible modern authors like:
Robert Peterson (who is 100% non profit also) and people
like william buhlman, and on and on.  All credible and respectful.

Now can anyone one person here point me to a modern book on Phasing techniques available on ebay/amazon published withing 5 years?

I think not.  Let's hope he's in hiding writing his book and getting published.

who says Franks Book wouldn't had been available on Amazon (Or never will be for, that matter)? I agree with you in that an author should publish his back not just as e-books simply because I like to read books outside 8) .
But I can't see why the fact that he books is available on amazon ought to tell you anything about the value of the book.

Quote from: runlolaare you sure about that statement you are making?

I mean it REALLY doesn't take much to get published...
It's just a question of funding. I have read many a hardback that
wasn't worth the paper, so I don't see how that makes someone credible.

I am not much a fan of e-books either but I have come across some
very good ones only available in e-book format. I think it's a matter
of choice for the author. Anyway, It's cheaper & you are saving trees
plus you don't have to edit things out that a publisher might not agree with. In a way, what you get in an e-book may be closer to the author's truth. Am I really debating this? JEEZ! what's happening here?

Quote from: Tombowho says Franks Book wouldn't had been available on Amazon (Or never will be for, that matter)? I agree with you in that an author should publish his back not just as e-books simply because I like to read books outside 8) .
But I can't see why the fact that he books is available on amazon ought to tell you anything about the value of the book.

I understand fully where are both coming from  - a defensive viewpoint.

Getting a real book published takes a incredible amount of effort.

Try it!  Yep easy for you to say, as you clearly don't know anything about book publishing.  Until you've gone  to a published and pitched a book, you really have no idea.

This is a pointless debate - you can defend Frank all you like.

But there is one neat little fact everyone has overlooked.

Frank has no book available, through publishers or through his own sales site, as his own self-published e-book.

QED.


Hence, I close this debate, until he has this book he's been claiming to write, and it's available - he has no credibility, no matter how rubbish the book is, the act of writing and getting it published gives you credibility, no matter what format the book arrives.


er why does everyone ignore this sentence here:

" Now can anyone one person here point me to a modern book on Phasing techniques available on ebay/amazon published withing 5 years? "

Ok, and if it's all so easy I throw you all a challenge.

I'm sure the people here that are so phasing pro, can pull together all this material on this website a self publish a phasing book?

i.e colloaborative writing.  So let's start with the table of contents and agree that.

I'm only talking about 50 or pages.

Also, PLease read this, from  a true master , Robert Peterson, he's very much like Robert Bruce.

HOW TO TELL A NEW AGE MASTER FROM A SALESMAN
http://www.robertpeterson.org/SalesmanArticle.htm

Benky...been awhile since i've had the pleasure!

man...someones a little cranky. not projecting lately?
anyway...totally missed my point. the fact that c2c "is" a marketing venue, and #1 one on the list for metaphysical, mystic, occult, and paranormal pursuits is exactly why i used it as an example!?! duh-ha...contrary to whatever it is you believe...i do know exactly what "i'm" talking about. on top of that it's free!!! thing is...you don't get on the show with smoke & mirrors & who would honestly want to subject themselves to those kinds of numbers (being the largest talk show audience in the world)...and not really be ready to run the gauntlet?!? couldn't be a printing issue where too many orders were feared...so what gives.

yeah i've got a bit of a problem with people that have roughly as much experience in this field as i do, and work to sell it so hard... as has been mentioned promising unlimited wealth, happiness & success. talking the talk is easy, you should know that. anyway...we're obviously very different bcuz i know for a fact that you don't get to the astral by reading books. same as you don't get to hawaii by surfing travel agent sites...but stranger things have been known to happen.

i don't have anything against frank or adrian. why should i?!?
but when someone starts saying they're the leading expert in the world?!? well...it's easy to fall off that kind of pedestal. i mentioned robert bcuz he takes a totally different approach to his books, his business, etc. he's building a reputation, which i believe is of utmost importance.
but i don't have to tell you that.

Quote
If your definition of expertise is an appearance on a talk show(which is purely for advertising purposes in the first place, just listen to how much they want to sell you next time you listen to C2C!) then you are ignorant. RB wants to sell you his books and keep you entertained with silly beliefs. We're just interested in learning, without fighting demons or having scary experiences or any of that stupid bull****. Some people like that, though. Its all preference.

i'm just including the above just for fun.
1) i don't own any of robert's books. (i don't own any books on APing. I don't have to.) :wink:  2) stupid bull***t is relative. and 3) didn't your mother ever teach you about running around with scissors?!?
it's dangerous...as is jumping to conclusions. no wait...that's just irritating.

soul

i think that link you gave BNOG...says it all.

QuoteThere is one simple rule in my book, if that person has not got a book you can buy from amazon.com and has a ISBN no, he's not a credible author.

Yikes!  The coolest things I have learned in recent years have been from ebooks.  Many times publishers have their own agendas, and ebooks give the common man the ability to easily publish their ideas with out many of the hassles of self publishing,etc.  But hey, that is your preference and may be the best for you.

QuoteWell to be honest, I have to look at it from this point of view. The scam artists that do use that layout, use it for a reason. That reason is probably being that it works Razz It would make no sense for said person to use a layout that gives them nothing instead. (Don't take this as saying I think your site is a scam, more like your format does most likely work)

Right on.  This format is EXTREMELY powerful.  So powerful that both scam artist and people with great ideas and skills both use it.  A scam "idea" to one person may be the Holy Grail to another.  

QuoteHe had hundreds of people paying for his services, maybe his partner ran away with the money and now he's ashamed to contact you.

How do you know hundreds of people were paying for this?  100X30 a month =3000 a month.  It went on for 3 months, so a total gain of 9000-10000 dollars.  Some people prepaid so lets make that number 15000 dollars.  I believe this number to be "astronomically" high, but it is irrelevant to the argument.

Now, here is how a REAL scam artist would work.  First he would help this first group for a while in order to get enough money to expand his service and computer support network (in order to handle more people).  Even if he was only nominally helping them none of them would really put up a fuss, most of them would blame themselves for their lack of dedication, commitment, etc.

Then he would release his book which would garner more support for his private classroom.  Most of us here know that Frank was a prolific writer.  Take a look at the volumes he wrote in his archives in the past couple of years, so any ideas that he was never in the process of writing an book can be quickly dismissed.  This book was much anticipated, so why in the WORLD would he not release it?  Only an idiot scam artist of the highest order would not release this book.

Next, because of the hype of book he would take on more virtual classroom customers.  Although, this time due to the large response he would be "forced" to increase the price and ask people to prepay for the number of months.  So lets say each new customer would have to pony up 500-600 dollars.  He would start his own forum where he could moderate without impunity, and unsatisfied customers that posted here would immediately be thought of as expecting a miracle, or astral travel by "osmosis", and would be summarily dismissed.  He would do this until the negative response was more than he could deal with and then "poof", no more scam artist.

Scam artist tend to bleed the most out of things and would NEVER run before critical mass was hit.  Only a crack head scam artist would think like this.

On the other hand, Frank was like a cat when it came to the "trans-dimensional" areas of consciousness.  He was so curious by these areas that I expect that he attempted to explore them to the detriment to his health.  Remember, Frank said that it would take him a little more than an hour to orient himself with C1 (the physical) after being in focus 4 for an extended amount of time.  I hope he can pull through this and my heart and blessing go out to him in this time of need.  He is truly an explorer of the highest magnitude that came here to spend untold hours selflessly sharing his ideas and techniques.  I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt and instead focus on sending him our prayers.

Quote" Now can anyone one person here point me to a modern book on Phasing techniques available on ebay/amazon published withing 5 years? "

What is this question even driving at?  Bruce Moen does a modern phasing techniqe, oh and lets not forget that little writer.....whats WAS his name....oh yea, Robert Monroe! (although, he was after your 5 year time constraint)   Franks scientific approach to astral projection is probably NOT what Llewlayan was looking for in their many books on fantasy land. Hell, how many here have astrally projected using Robert Bruces NEW ENERGY?  Not many, however I know many here on this forum have benefited from phasing.  I am one of those memebers.  Robert Peterson is no unique master, his ebooks read the same as every other OBE author.  In his book he just dilly dalles in the RTZ, how BORING!  Just because your published, doesn't mean your a master.

Quote. i mentioned robert bcuz he takes a totally different approach to his books, his business, etc. he's building a reputation, which i believe is of utmost importance.
but i don't have to tell you that.

I agree.  If that reputation is wearing around tin foil hats, surrounding your bed in a moat of running water, chanting to various deities all in the name of protection from "NEGS".  (just at the mention of negs Han runs around foaming at the mouth looking for crystals to protect himself).  Or, not projecting because you are unable to spend 2 hrs a night doing energy work.  Although, he obviously believes in what he teaches so I can't give him too much flak.  The definition of a scam artist is one that KNOWS what he is teaching is full of SH** but continues to do so becasue of the pay off.  Does this sound like either Robert Bruce or Frank.  NO.  



Han solo[/quote]

I would just like to commend our Corellian friend Hans for severing some foots and inserting them in their respective mouths. It's about time someone talked some sense in this masturbatory, mistake of a conversation. I agree with all of his points, and am especially indebted for the laughs received upon imagining some crazy mystic's bed surrounded by a small crocodile infested body of water.

I would like to add this to his criticisms: it makes no sense to claim that phasing is somehow a lesser theory just because it has a less extensive body of literature. The reason we can't write a book about it is that we don't understand it, not that it isn't true. Copernicus also wrote a book; it contained this crazy astronomical idea that the sun is actually the center of the solar system, and our earth is a measly planet! What a nut! Frank, as Hans said, is a pioneer. If anything, I'd say the reason for his absence is more likely due to that fact than any scam. If you float too close to the sun, your astral wings are likely to melt...

So, in my opinion, if anyone has anything else to say on the matter, it had better be REALLY worth it, or they'll only look like an idiot. That means YOU, whoever is reading this with a red face.

In closing, the immortal words of those Christian evangelists who so readily resemble our favorite mystical shysters (and by the same token remind us nothing of our friend Frank):

"Let us prey".

Quote from: BillionNamesofGod
But there is one neat little fact everyone has overlooked.

Frank has no book available, through publishers or through his own sales site, as his own self-published e-book.

QED.


Hence, I close this debate, until he has this book he's been claiming to write, and it's available - he has no credibility, no matter how rubbish the book is, the act of writing and getting it published gives you credibility, no matter what format the book arrives.


er why does everyone ignore this sentence here:

" Now can anyone one person here point me to a modern book on Phasing techniques available on ebay/amazon published withing 5 years? "

I somehow think you missed the point of the thread. But anyway.....Did anybody ever claim the phasing-approche has more credibilty then Roberts approche? Frank made the impression that he pretty much developped the phasing-approche with the 4 FoC on his own, so is it any wonder then that there is no book published 5 years ago about phasing? Thats what you would expect when somebody comes up with something new, that is isn't allright published, right?

I'm trying to understand were you are coming from but I have problems doing so:
If a Yogi living in a cave somehow came up with the perfect OBE-technique and you would learn about his technique, would you simply ignore it because he didn't felt like going to some damn Radio-show or publishing it?!

Soul: your snappy,cynic posts are kind of sexy, keep going....

Right on Hans you wrote what I thought but couldn't put in words due to my lack of english at least as far as Frank is concerned.
I believe Frank was to become the next Robert Monroe so to speak, Now, isn't it kind of shabby to put him down now that he can't respond?

Everyone take five, take a deep breath, hold ...and relax.  :D

Quite a few people may have lost out financially, that's true, me included.
But what's the point here?

Have we really all only come this far?
After all that we have all learnt about Reality, Life, After-life, Before-life, God, Universe, Creator.  Is giving vent to anger and criticism the only way?

How about compassion, whether or not we see or understand what's behind the problem.  How about Love?

Everyone's had a chance to let off steam now (and I had my go as well, numerous pm's and unanswered emails since July),  but let's put some perspective on this and send some positive energies out. Someone who's invested a lot of effort and time in helping people in this community is sick and in trouble.

what ever the problem may be, he deserves a little support and then maybe he'll have the ability to come back and sort out the mess later.
until then, lets drop the criticism and amp up the love.

we are not defined by what happens to us, so much as how we choose to respond to those things. Let's choose to be different this time.

Blessings to you all
Jon

All of this discussion is getting way away from the original debate.

The question was and still is:  

1)   Is Frank honest and in such a bad health that he cannot, nor any of his friends and/or partner inform the members who paid for his Virtual Classroom.

2)   Is Frank a con artist.

It is not about phasing, E-book etc...

I read all the posts here about this and in the meanwhile I did a little investigation.

I just received and answer from City Hall of Salernes in France which Frank gave as his personal address. I asked them if there was a street called "Grand Rue" in Salernes.

THERE IS NO SUCH STREET IN SALERNES!!!

Now if ever Frank comes back, he better have good answers. As far as I am concerned this is becoming more and more the work of a con artist.

Another point is that if you subscribe to his newsletter, with the information on that thread here at the Astral Pulse, you will find that it is still working and sending automatic replies. He stated himself that he wasn't very good in building all of this. This is why he got a partner to set his business up with the payments etc..

Weird that now he is maybe sick and the only one that could reply.

One member of this classroom is supposedly to have sent a new computer to Frank. If that person exist, could she/he tell us if Frank has a valid address.

I wish someone could prove I'm wrong, but I'm beginning to doubt it. I would like Adrian and the other responsable for this site to explain to me why they permitted a personal business to be build on the Astral Pulse without making the necessary investigation to protect their members who considered this site as the most credible on the net.

Thanks Jon, good words!

I shouldnt say this, but due to some things (nothing special) he said to me, in private messages, that he would give me his ebook as soon as he would finish it. I didnt ask for anything, not even suggest! and he made that offer without asking anything in return! And all that i´'ve done was give him some stuff that i found (and i gave it to him not because he asked but as an offer, since i knew it would be useful to him).

He doesnt know me in real life and he was that nice, and he was speaking in a way as if he really want the book to be realeased.

So, after reading all of this posts and from what i know about Frank i get confused. Maybe he is having some serious problems, thats what i think.

Quote from: ger
I just received and answer from City Hall of Salernes in France which Frank gave as his personal address. I asked them if there was a street called "Grand Rue" in Salernes.

THERE IS NO SUCH STREET IN SALERNES!!!

.

Hmmm. Interessting. Have you checked if there are several towns called salerenes in France? Have you asked them if a Frank Kepple lives there at all?

Hello everyone,

First of all let me say that I haev no idea exactly what has happened to Frank from Frank himself. I have heard various things from other sources, but as I cannot confirm them I do not want to start any rumors.

I would like to suggest however that until we know exactly what his status is, there is not much to be gained by speculation.

If we remain with the facts we know for certain that Frank has been one of this forums greatest contributors over the lat three years or so, and has helped numerous people in various positive ways.

I know for a fact that he has nearly completed his book, and he kept me fully informed about his proposed course which he was very excited about; as of course were those who enrolled on the course.

There is no way he would spend a year or more writing a book only to do something which would go against people wanting to purchase it.

I don't know how much money Frank received for the course, but you can be sure it was not enough to become an exile on :)

I do understand the feelings of you all and can understand your concern, but I do believe the best course of action is to wait and see what transpires.

If Frank has been ill, and that is almost certain, and assuming he makes a full recovery, I am sure he will be back to continue where he left off.

If he has been as ill as seems likely, it is not likely that he would feel well enough to be involving himself in much right now.

I will ensure that as soon as I know anything certain I will let you know.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Quote from: Tombo

Quote from: ger
I just received and answer from City Hall of Salernes in France which Frank gave as his personal address. I asked them if there was a street called "Grand Rue" in Salernes.

THERE IS NO SUCH STREET IN SALERNES!!!

.

Hmmm. Interessting. Have you checked if there are several towns called salerenes in France? Have you asked them if a Frank Kepple lives there at all?

Yes Tombo I'm still searching. Additional information from Salernes' City Hall is that there is a street called "Grand Rue" in a nearby town called SILLANS-LA-CASCADE, with the same zip code. I am unable to have more information at the present time.

Could it be that Frank has mistaken his town with the nearby Salernes...I don't know.

I just gotten this information and giving it out to be honest about this whole thing.

Adrian,

First, I would like to thank you and tell you that I appreciate very much the way you are handling this whole thing.

Because you did not lock this thread even if you are caught into it somewhat.

Your reactions are not negative, but show an openness and a comprehension to those who have paid for Frank's service.

Boy do I wish that all of this is just a misunderstanding !!!

Quote from: gerCould it be that Frank has mistaken his town with the nearby Salernes...I don't know.

I live in the US and used to work for a Post Office and can tell you around my area there are 3 towns/communities that use the same zip code.  Some times mail would be addressed to no such street in one village but we knew it was in one of the others that had the same zip code.   Just a thought.

Scott

Hello Ger,

Thank you for your comments.

There is no question of locking the thread or suppressing any discussion. All those involved have a right to be concerned and I share your concern.

I would like to add that when there is a lack of information it is very easy for speculation to take hold and before you know it we have the equivalent of that party game "Chinese whispers" :)

Unfortunately, it is a general human trait to think the worst in these situations. Now that does concern me because I know for a fact that whatever people focus on becomes reality whether is good or "bad". It is a fact that when people desire good things like new cars, houses, holidays etc. that they often cannot put enough emotion into it to be in the same vibration as that which they wish to attract. Unfortunately, as we have seen, people naturally place emotion into negative things and situations, and that is why negative things and situations more readily manifest into the physical world. Then people start talking about erroneous notions such as "bad luck" etc., when in fact they have created there own reality. It is just as easy to create positive things such as houses, cars and holidays if only people would put the same focus, intent and emotion into these things as the negative things.

I am saying this because I am telling everyone right now that if you focus on "being scammed", "conned" or "misled" etc., that will become the reality and it will not be Frank's fault.

The indications are that Frank has been and still is very ill, and everyone should be focussinf on sending healing Energy and positive thoughts of trust and Unconditional Love. I am sure the Universe will then do the rest.

Anyone as always can contact me directly if they have any concerns or for any other reason for that matter.

Best regards,

Adrian.

QuoteI am saying this because I am telling everyone right now that if you focus on "being scammed", "conned" or "misled" etc., that will become the reality and it will not be Frank's fault.

:lol:  :shock:  :lol:

& TOMBO: KISSES!!!

Quote from: Souljah333
& TOMBO: KISSES!!!

As Adrian said: If we desire good things they will happen!
Is there anything more attractive then an intelligent Girl that can AP?
...........I'M LOST!!

an intelligent girl "with money" that can AP!
(unfortunately that's not me :(
(http://diviningyourlife.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/bat.gif)

Quote from: Adrian
I am saying this because I am telling everyone right now that if you focus on "being scammed", "conned" or "misled" etc., that will become the reality and it will not be Frank's fault.

I just thought a little about that sentence and it won't go down me throat. Even with a glass of milk.....

If somebody is conned by Frank it is Frank that did something wrong, thats how I see it. If I shoot you I go to jail. Period. Now what you do is turning it around. What you are saying (in way) is that People are not responsible for their action they are a mere cue ball of the energies other send and that the victims are to blame because they had the wrong vibrations. Thats kind of a twisted way to look at things if you ask me.

&SOUL: Roses for you!

Quote from: Souljah333an intelligent girl "with money" that can AP!
(unfortunately that's not me :(
(http://diviningyourlife.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/bat.gif)

True but......You know, I'm a millionair, so.....
(http://diviningyourlife.com/phpBB2/images/smiles/hearts.gif)

quick test, sorry guys

QuoteYou are inteligent and if you are so sexy like your avatar you should give me your contact...(you will be one winning )

This is a good example of making your own reality ... but it does not independent reality make. For all anyone knows, SoulJah is a 56-year-old mountain man living in Arkansas.

You don't let the CT rescue the hostages just because the tag is H0tBab3.

Yes, if you assume you're being scammed and behave as if that is the truth, you will have made that your reality (until proven otherwise). There's nothing so outlandish about that.

Quote from: hotshotrobotI would just like to commend our Corellian friend Hans for severing some foots and inserting them in their respective mouths. It's about time someone talked some sense in this masturbatory, mistake of a conversation. I agree with all of his points, and am especially indebted for the laughs received upon imagining some crazy mystic's bed surrounded by a small crocodile infested body of water.

I would like to add this to his criticisms: it makes no sense to claim that phasing is somehow a lesser theory just because it has a less extensive body of literature. The reason we can't write a book about it is that we don't understand it, not that it isn't true. Copernicus also wrote a book; it contained this crazy astronomical idea that the sun is actually the center of the solar system, and our earth is a measly planet! What a nut! Frank, as Hans said, is a pioneer. If anything, I'd say the reason for his absence is more likely due to that fact than any scam. If you float too close to the sun, your astral wings are likely to melt...

So, in my opinion, if anyone has anything else to say on the matter, it had better be REALLY worth it, or they'll only look like an idiot. That means YOU, whoever is reading this with a red face.

In closing, the immortal words of those Christian evangelists who so readily resemble our favorite mystical shysters (and by the same token remind us nothing of our friend Frank):

"Let us prey".

Quote from: han solo

Quote
" Now can anyone one person here point me to a modern book on Phasing techniques available on ebay/amazon published withing 5 years? "

What is this question even driving at? Bruce Moen does a modern phasing techniqe, oh and lets not forget that little writer.....whats WAS his name....oh yea, Robert Monroe! (although, he was after your 5 year time constraint) Franks scientific approach to astral projection is probably NOT what Llewlayan was looking for in their many books on fantasy land. Hell, how many here have astrally projected using Robert Bruces NEW ENERGY? Not many, however I know many here on this forum have benefited from phasing. I am one of those memebers. Robert Peterson is no unique master, his ebooks read the same as every other OBE author. In his book he just dilly dalles in the RTZ, how BORING! Just because your published, doesn't mean your a master.

I'm really quite disappointed. The fact remains there are no books on phasing in the past 5 years.
I suggested the phasing pros here collaborate and write the first e-book on phasing, but I see you are all talk, and run a mile and ignore those issues.

A lot of people are just all talk and like in a "cult", in blind faith, defending Frank, and jesus the guy hasn't even written a book for christs sake!  

Does everyone Frank Follower have such low intelligence?
He has no book, e-book, or through a publisher and no-one has seen it. And if he's spent 4 years on these forums, they've been a waste of time as me and most other don't understand a word he's saying half the time. If he couldn't pull out a book in 4 years, while he' spent all his time pratting on with this forum, he's not a credible author, and has not even made the first basic step to being a master of any kind. I really don't know why people are defending him.

I've never been negative about phasing what-so-ever.
I want to know more.  I'm just amazed no-one has the balls to write a e-book, even a small one of 50 pages for newbies.

Christ at this rate, I'll be the first person on this planet to write a book on phasing and beat everyone to that starting post and go down in history - while the rest of you are waffling on.
I wish people would stop wasting time on such waffle talk.
There is no book, and that's that, therefore he's not credible.

It's that simple.

I for one would never wish anything bad on any person, or any negative vibes, I'm clearly stating the facts and not entering in the realms of speculation.
I naturally, with all the best for Frank, and hope things are OK with him.

But, I'm still frustrated that there is still *NO BOOK ON PHASING* by anthor let alone Frank who's threatoned to write one for many years.


And why can't people see that is beyond me. If Phasing is the future why can't you explain it to me in an logicial article for newbies Hans Solo? Isn't your time best spent with that, rather than defending a ghost?  


So, please can all the phasing pros stop defending and start writing?

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So, please can all the phasing pros stop defending and start writing?

Such an eloquent response, and you assume that these "pros" want to write a book of some sort, or are even scribeworthy to get published. You also ask them to spend their time doing something they may not want to do as well. They defend someone who they respect, and you throw the respect they have for him out the door without their permission.

If you are willing to complain so easily about them defending Frank's Model of Phasing, striking at them like this, claiming you could be the first to write a book on phasing in the past five years [wow such a long gap tsk] and go down in history as our saviour of all things worthy of your literary touch [erm maybe for the next 5 years], then I would happily challenge you to do as you say. However, I doubt your words are as pristine and straightforward as we need, because you do have so much emotional buildup because of this thread. Please do us the favor and start thinking about yourself for once, instead of on what everyone else is saying here.

I will defend Frank until the day he says he decided to stop writing it. Frank has not finished his human growth cycle [that I know of], so most likely he just needs a bit more research time, and may be stuck somewhere where he cannot come back from. When he gets back, if he stays away for however long he did last time, you could already [with minimal effort] have that 50 page ebook written, but if you idle here in this thread you most likely won't.

My feeling tells my that Frank is really sick, so by that I'll go until proven otherwise. It's not because Im a blind follower it's simple the most likely given all the infos.

Mac: LOL

i think i've missed more than a few posts in this thread. i can't keep up.
but i still have no idea on this...

does anyone have a copy of the e-book?
i can't figure out if it's just the classes or the e-book that frank didn't come through on?!? if there's no book either...well then. i rest my case.

on the flip side though...this could be the best thing that happened for all of those that were looking to frank for a quick ticket into the astral. the lord works in mysterious ways and all that.

of course if he's really sick...then i'm the b1tch! but i'm getting used to playing that role here!  :wink:

love to all soul
_____________________________
benky: put away that cough syrup!
your team needs you.

QuoteDoes everyone Frank Follower have such low intelligence?
He has no book, e-book, or through a publisher and no-one has seen it. And if he's spent 4 years on these forums, they've been a waste of time as me and most other don't understand a word he's saying half the time. If he couldn't pull out a book in 4 years, while he' spent all his time pratting on with this forum, he's not a credible author, and has not even made the first basic step to being a master of any kind. I really don't know why people are defending him.

I think you have answered your own question with this response.  If you don't understand a word he is saying then I would like to know your rationale for why WE are the low intelligence ones?  He finally started writing the book due to pressure from members on this forum to put everything into one place. I have been able to phase because of Frank, so it must be YOUR intelligence, or lack there of, that is inhibiting you from understanding this technique.

QuoteThe fact remains there are no books on phasing in the past 5 years

It is funny because you quoted my response and then wrote this nonsense response.  DID YOU EVEN READ THAT QUOTE!  BRUCE MOEN, BRUCE MOEN!  He does a technique that is identical to phasing.  A horse by any other name is still a horse.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1571741011/qid=1129645789/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/002-8601176-7116042?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I think we all understand the real reason for your venom.  This episode of Frank's disappearance gives you a reason to bash him because his theories are stepping on your belief's toes.   :wink:  

With Love,

Han

Has anyone tried sending Frank a written letter? Does he live with anyone? You may be able to contact someone else at the address that could supply you with more information.

okay..I take a deep breath and add my 2 cents.
Bruce Moen did publish his 5th book this year. It's a handbook. He doesn't call his method "phasing", but I did all his courses and KNOW that he is teaching...phasing.
http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/alkgidbk.html
Writing the book took him some time. Too much time. The matrix often pulled him aside, and made him work for his living. We all go through this dilemma. But Bruce's mission is a bit different. So he had a stroke. He made it through, but can't work like he did before. All of the sudden he had lots of free time. He finished his book. Now others can learn and benefit.
Coincidence?

wow I thought this thread died but I guess I was wrong.  First off I will bet everything I own that Frank is sick and NOT A CON.  Call me a fool if you think otherwise but all you naysayers really have no idea whats going on.  

Granted, neither do I  8) , but I spent 2 months in constant email contact with Frank, sending and receiving emails about phasing and sharing ideas with him every single day.  He aided me more in those 2 months than anything I have done so far.  I had my first full blown phasing experience within ONE WEEK of being tutored by him.  As I see it either I am getting my money's worth when he gets back or I am paying for part of his funeral.  I would be glad to help out if that where the case (I hope not!!!!  :shock:  :cry: ) but all you people who turn so quickly on him make me sick.  I bet you would still want your money back instead of helping to pay expenses.

On the whole NEW energy ways, as much as I hate to admit it, that was how I had my first traditional OBE and why im at this site.  I still consider Bruce a good guy with some good advice as long as you are willing to toss his Mystical crap out the window and shave his approach down to its least ridiculous parts.  Worked for me!



On an aside, Han, you need any help with that book?  I learned alot from him too and maybe this is what was supposed to happen??? I am  not big into fate but if he disappears for good it looks like its up to us and whoever else wants to contribute to keep his words alive.  I would love to spread the word.

Quoteon the flip side though...this could be the best thing that happened for all of those that were looking to frank for a quick ticket into the astral. the lord works in mysterious ways and all that.

of course if he's really sick...then i'm the b1tch! but i'm getting used to playing that role here! <-----  :P  :twisted:  

LOL soul...    Too bad he may or may not have checked out too soon to prove his approach works.  I am a walking example though.  :lol:

This debate is getting nasty.

To put everything in the right context here is a resume.

Frank build himself a pretty strong reputation here over the years. Helping many in their quest for either phasing and/or OBE. Everyone who as taken the time to read his posts will recognize his great knowledge.

Up to there, he is a generous fellow, helping others.  Then money leaks in.

He figured that since so many wanted that he write a book on the subject, he started. Then why not make a special class and charge money for it.

There's a slippage here. Exchanging with the members of the Astral Pulse, on a free basis, giving some of his time even in exchanging emails with some...to hey! why not make a buck out of this!

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.

So he puts up his newsletter, and if you take the time to read it...what a sell pitch!!!  The best there is in marketing.

He offer private tutorials for a fee. That's still OK, he has every right to be paid for his time.

He even gives out his personal home address to prove that he is a real person not a company. He adds to this the "Frank Keeble Foundation" and ask to those who are willing to make donations.

Now that's two source of money coming in.  

He makes his group for the Virtual Classroom, member pay through PayPal. Then he tells the member that he is sick.

No news for a while. Some ask for a refund then, no reply from Frank. He gives members 3 weeks to either stay or ask for a refund. After 6-7 weeks no more news.

I wish like everybody here that this whole thing is just a misunderstanding. That Frank has health problems which are preventing him from giving any news. I wish that its nothing serious and that he will recover.

Now some facts.  The home address that he gave DOES NOT EXIST. There's one in a nearby town which exist, BUT NO ONE BY THAT NAME LIVES THERE.

As much as I would like to beleive that Frank is an honest fellow, this whole thing smells bad.  And it is LEGITIMATE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

Quoteit is LEGITIMATE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

no doubt.  Not disagreeing there!

...

This whole thing is utterly strange. I really would like to find out whats really going on. I mean after all it is not just about Frank but also about his whole Theory of phasing and all his work that he did here.

But some how it should be possible to track down this guy, after all he has
-a registered Website
-Pay pal
-Was a moderator here for years
- has a IP-Address
Don't we have some crazy computer specialists here that can at least find out his "Real" Name and Address or confirm the one he gave?

Besides that It just doesn't make sense that Frank is supposed to be a con artist. I think what happened may be the following:
He decided to write the book and do his virtual classroom thing has he said, then his computer broke down. soon after that he got sick. then he gave the classroom members their money back option assuming that he is soon back in full health. Maybe he used an internetcafé for that? Unfortunately he got very ill after that, so ill in fact that he can't leave his house and his computer is still broke. His business partner is maybe assuming that every thing is working fine and Frank can't contact him either. So he can't contact us and he can't give you guys the money back. He may have used a fake address for whatever reason (He is no holy man) or he may live together with somebody else and only the other person is registered? I'm think he really lives in France though because he was often on line at the same time then I was (France, Switzerland is the same timezone)

So I still  believe this is no hoax.

The mere thought that Franks unfinished book may rest for ever in his PC is very disturbing :cry:

QuoteThe mere thought that Franks unfinished book may rest for ever in his PC is very disturbing

VERY disturbing.  For all of his post here it is very hard to put everything together without having experienced it first hand (Ie. for me that means focus3-4).  Also,  he was saving his dissertation about focus2 and the "wishing well (FZ)",  and using these focus levels to create reality in F1, for his book.  I have been looking forward to this book FOREVER!!  If he does not show up soon I will hunt him down, or at least his computer :)


Han



PS.  BTW, sorry to everyone I snapped at in my previous posts, I was having a low blood sugar moment.  My diet has got that under control now.  I do feel for those that have not been justly compensated for their private classes and understand their anger.

Oh dear,  I am worried about Frank...  I've been so inspired and encouraged by his posts!  I love the way he writes, and do hope to be able to read his book one day soon!  And he seems like such a kind, caring person!

Hm... I keep remembering what he wrote one time, about how Robert Monroe almost killed himself in the course of his studies.  That's been haunting me.  :(  Especially since Frank has ventured even farther than Monroe.  It must cause one stress, in one way or another, and I can attest that stress can make one much more susceptible to physical illness.

Doesn't Frank have a wife/s.o.?  It seems like he mentioned once that she was in the UK.  If so, maybe he went back there?  I don't know, maybe I'm not remembering correctly.  

Well, I'm praying, wishing, hoping, etc. for him, and that all of us may receive some peace of mind soon!

What was that "killing" experiment? I am starting to get afraid of obing, lol.

Frank had a girlfriend, i remember that, just dont know if from UK or not.

I dont know the specific incidence she is referring to but I can imagine what she is getting at and I have had a few instances where the mental and physical stress levels have been almost too much to bare.  I think there is a greater chance of going insane than dying, dont worry!  :P  :lol:   I think the biggest thing for me is the fact that there are no limits to what you can experience which entails... well.. everything imaginable, good or bad, and stuff we cant even comprehend.

Well, I'm looking for the post about Monroe's brush with death.  Below is a post that sort of refers to it (starting at the middle of the 3rd post):

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=19658

Tombo:
As it stands we dont have an IP for Frank (at least i dont), chances are even if we had one from his last post his IP would have changed by now. He doesnt host his site so you cant retrieve his IP from that. Info on his site can be found here:
http://toolbar.netcraft.com/site_report?url=http://www.astralprojectiontruth.com

All newsletters where sent via aweber.com smtp servers, so you wont be able to retrieve IP addy's from them.

A valid IP address would allow you, in most cases, to confirm his location in France (not exact location).

Companies like Paypal wont, and shouldn't, release any private information on users. Even if you had a formal complaint against someone the best you could hope for would be for ebay to go through the relevant authorities keeping you informed. it would require some serious social engineering to retrieve any info off them.

If your really concerned and just have to find out, best place to start is with his address, try to confirm ger's findings contacting people in France. If someone knows where Frank was born you can easily confirm his name etc, as we know his DOB. You can access birth certificates and many other details just by knowing DOB and place of birth.

There are also some easier ways to find information on people over the net... but as they're mostly illegal i dont intend to use or discuss them here.

So maybe, looking at that, it would be best to just wait this one out heh,:D

>RooJ

QuoteFrank build himself a pretty strong reputation here over the years. Helping many in their quest for either phasing and/or OBE. Everyone who as taken the time to read his posts will recognize his great knowledge.

Up to there, he is a generous fellow, helping others. Then money leaks in.

He figured that since so many wanted that he write a book on the subject, he started. Then why not make a special class and charge money for it.

There's a slippage here. Exchanging with the members of the Astral Pulse, on a free basis, giving some of his time even in exchanging emails with some...to hey! why not make a buck out of this!

Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with this.

So he puts up his newsletter, and if you take the time to read it...what a sell pitch!!! The best there is in marketing.

He offer private tutorials for a fee. That's still OK, he has every right to be paid for his time.

He even gives out his personal home address to prove that he is a real person not a company. He adds to this the "Frank Keeble Foundation" and ask to those who are willing to make donations.

Now that's two source of money coming in.

He makes his group for the Virtual Classroom, member pay through PayPal. Then he tells the member that he is sick.

No news for a while. Some ask for a refund then, no reply from Frank. He gives members 3 weeks to either stay or ask for a refund. After 6-7 weeks no more news.

I wish like everybody here that this whole thing is just a misunderstanding. That Frank has health problems which are preventing him from giving any news. I wish that its nothing serious and that he will recover.

Now some facts. The home address that he gave DOES NOT EXIST. There's one in a nearby town which exist, BUT NO ONE BY THAT NAME LIVES THERE.

As much as I would like to beleive that Frank is an honest fellow, this whole thing smells bad. And it is LEGITIMATE TO ASK QUESTIONS.

ger:

I am addressing your post because it seems like you have the most initiative, and also the fairest approach of those who strongly question Frank's motives. Also, your points are quite persuasive.

Based on probability and intuition, however, I have to disagree with even the slight probability that Frank is a con artist. Seriously consider what you would do if you were in Frank's position and you were a con artist. He would have invested so much time and energy into this con that he could have really made it pay off. I'm a new member here and after reading his newsletters and some posts, I was ready to pay for the book ASAP, without proof or anything!

He could have made a lot of money for 3 seconds of work by posting: "My new book is ready. Here is how you buy it." But he didn't, and therefore it cannot be a con. It really is the strongest point, none of the others, for or against, even matter comparatively. Unless you have a good suggestion as to why he wouldn't capitalize on this last, easy opportunity, then I think it's a finished argument. Adrian even said he knows for a fact that Frank's book is near completion, and I see no reason to disbelieve him.

I really do think, based on the nature of his work, that he is probably undergoing some kind of illness/crisis which has caused his life to fall apart, but that's obviously just speculation. Frank was obviously an expert in the field; forget the "he doesn't have a book nonsense". There is practically a book's worth of material in his newsletters and posts. Contrary to other opinions, these works of his do form a very cohesive, although not complete body of work, including the method Frank himself recommends.

I would be ticked too if my money was taken without explanation, and I think every step you are taking is the right one. I just want to suggest that you think about my point and if you have a reply, by all means! I am just trying to break the matter down into its composite parts in order to give the most accurate possible representation of the reality of the situation.

Thanks for the info RooJ, thing is I don't have any money involved, so I probably won't invest too much time in finding Frank right now  (Maybe a corporate effort I would support). As you said, it is probably the best to wait it out. I just thought maybe a computer crackerjack could find some infos with a few mouse clicks.

An the other hand if I find Franks manuscript I could sell it to you guys and make some cash  :wink:

Hi hotshotrobot,

I agree with what you pointed out in your post. I am also leaning towards Frank's health being the source of all of this situation.

Some things are troublesome though. The ones I mentioned, the home address that HE gave to convince, and which comes out to be nonexistent is one. Another one is the final communication that he made with the members of his class in which he stated that he was giving the members 3 weeks to wait him out or ask for a refund.

This can go both ways. He wanted to be honest and refund those who didn't want to stay after this first delay because of his health problem. Another way to see this could also be that he was giving himself time.

Problem is that some members had already ask for a refund through many emails which Frank never answered. At that time, if he was able to send us an email why didn't he answer theses asking for a refund ?

I can easily comprehend that if after that last message his health tumbled down that he was in a position unable to communicate with the member's class. But why didn't he answer the previous one and make the refunds ?

I also agree that the con artist possibility seems ridiculous, for the same reasons that you, and others, have mentioned.

Every one here who have read Frank's posts respected him for his generosity and for his knowledge in phasing and classic OBE. Then go and read his sell-pitch on his newsletter offer.  Marketing at its best! A con artist couldn't have done a better job.

Fact is that he didn't need to do this to have members of the Astral Pulse join his classroom. We all trusted him. He had the utmost credibility for anyone wanting to learn

As for the money involved, nobody knows the amount. There's the classroom and the Foundation. We can only speculate.

I'm as baffled as everyone. Both conclusion are plausible, and each has an Achilles heel.

As you pointed out, it is hard to understand why he would do this when a lots money would have resulted from his published book.

As for myself, I deeply wish that this is all a misunderstanding, that he will come "back in the Land of the living" as he wrote. That he will explain everything and do what every members of his class wish for....teach!

OK i jsut read a couple of Franks older posts and realized that he can not be a con artist the mere thought seems ridiculous. He was such a nice and helpful person I would bet all my money that he is honest. :grin:

ya know he said he was on the verge of discovering the secret of linear time... maybe he ripped a hole in the spacetime continuum and was deleted from this timeline or something crazy like that! ha heres hoping the lad's ok.

Hello everyone,

For the Internet detectives among you let me assure you that I have the last IP address that Frank posted with and it belongs to the same ISP that he has always used in France. I can fully understand your effiorts to investigate this under the circumstances.

I would like to thank everyone for your positive observations on the character of Frank. I know how much time Frank has put into writing his book and you can be sure that there is no way he would have done that for it all to come to nothing.

I also know that Frank was totally motivated to help others with Astral Projection based upon his own vast experience and the immense amount of time he has freely given to people on these forums over the last three years. And this is why he thought a course would also be a good idea.

What little I do know of Frank's current situation I do know that it is not good from a health point of view, and that is an understatement.

I am fully confident that if Frank is able to return to the Internet he will carry on where he left off. In the meantime the best thing everyone can do is to send him as much healing energy as you can.

As always, everyone can feel completely free to contact me about this or any other issue.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Thanks for the updata Adrian, I appreciate it very much!

Adrian, you said that you know little, but u know something. Do you know or have an idea of the problem/disease affecting him? Or you dont have any idea about it? Or you know but u dont want to reveal, since is a personal thing? If is the last option, u can say it (i think...i speak for myself) and i will respect that. I was just curious about Frank situation..i dont like to know that he is living a very bad problem.

thanks.

I think it's clear that the exact details are considered personal and are to remain so for the immediate future.

Doug

oh! ok...so, Adrian knows the problem. It must be a bad one, or he wouldnt call for our help for pray (or send healing energy) to him.

Quote from: GandalfI think it's clear that the exact details are considered personal and are to remain so for the immediate future.

Doug

Is it? I never have heard that anybody said that he knew for a fact what Frank is going thru. If somebody knows I would like to hear about it. I don't mean he should say specific what Frank has (this is personal I understand) but he should clearly state that he personally knows the truth.

Do you know it Gandalf?

Somehow you guys keep on missing the point

yeah this is no kiddy club business this is serious stuff. I think the people who payed money deserve to know the truth if anyone is aware. maybe send them pms?

Quote from: Adrian

What little I do know of Frank's current situation I do know that it is not good from a health point of view, and that is an understatement.

I am fully confident that if Frank is able to return to the Internet he will carry on where he left off. In the meantime the best thing everyone can do is to send him as much healing energy as you can.

As always, everyone can feel completely free to contact me about this or any other issue.

Best regards,

Adrian.

Hi Adrian,

Although I am also leaning on the health situation of Frank in all this turmoil, I have difficulties with your position.

Either you KNOW something or you DON'T. Are you just speculating, or basing your affirmation on a logical assumption and/or rumors?

I would like you to clarify this. If you do KNOW then why not tell us precisely what the situation is. I'm not asking about a medical diagnosis or anything personal.

The worse in all of this is that we are left with basic facts which leads us to conclude that this was a scam. In the same token, I myself, for all the reasons you and other have pointed out, can't believe that the man who wrote in the Astral Pulse for all those years could have done something like this.

The little I know about Frank, is from reading his posts. The man is intelligent, to say the least. In reading his sell pitch, he goes a long way to secure people that he his not a con artist and he even explain his motives.

In saying this I'm thinking that he must have come across scam artists in his life and wants to tell people that he is not one.

If he was with those of us who have paid for the Virtual Classroom, caught in this situation, I believe he would be with us trying to find out.

It would be helpful if people who keep on about 'those who want their money back' to look at the facts:

All the transactions were fully refundable through the third party, so nobody has to 'be looking for their money'. They can easily get it back themselves; most have already done so.

Doug

Quote from: GandalfIt would be helpful if people who keep on about 'those who want their money back' to look at the facts:

All the transactions were fully refundable through the third party, so nobody has to 'be looking for their money'. They can easily get it back themselves; most have already done so.

Doug

I don't know who you are talking about, because to my knowledge no one got his money back. Even when a refund was asked BEFORE Frank's last email to the group.

Most of us have tried to get their money back from PayPal without success.

I have to agree with Ger on this one.  Frank stated in his last email to the Virtual Class (dated 9/11/05) that he would give us 3 weeks to request a charge-back through PayPal if we wanted.  Unfortunately, you can only request a charge back within 45 days of purchase.  After that they will make a note on the sellers account but you don't get any money back..  Bottom line....I haven't been able to get my money back through PayPal and don't know of anyone who has.

In Frank's last email he stated what he was suffering from a condition in which I will not divulge here, but it is/was quite serious.  If that is the truth then it could take awhile to recover from, if indeed he can recover.

Now I am out money but I don't believe Frank is a con-artist (personal opinion) I didn't know him, have only read some of his thousands of posts but he stood to earn more money by selling his e-book even if unfinished if that was the motive.

My PayPal is linked to a credit card and I could see about disputing it through them but being a newbie I would much rather learn about the Wider Reality.  So for now I'm still going hold out and hope that someone finds out some good news.

Scott

Quote from: GandalfIt would be helpful if people who keep on about 'those who want their money back' to look at the facts:

All the transactions were fully refundable through the third party, so nobody has to 'be looking for their money'. They can easily get it back themselves; most have already done so.

Doug

Just a thought.
Paypal was mentioned earlier as the route to pursue, is this the third party being mentioned? If so redress options could be limited especially if the purchase is not covered by PayPal Buyer Protection (Ebay 'established seller' option), then there is little or no redress available for a purchase deemed 'intangible'. Below is the Buyer Complaint Process outline. Note the bottom line...
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We encourage buyers to initiate communication with sellers if they have a problem with a transaction. Through open communication, many disputes can be resolved amicably. In cases where communication does not resolve a problem, you may file a claim through the Buyer Complaint Process.

Once you file a claim, PayPal will investigate the case and attempt to come to a fair resolution. If our investigation determines that you are owed money by the seller, we will make every effort to recover funds for you. We will try to complete our investigation and provide any reimbursement within 45 days from the date the Buyer Complaint Form is filed.

For further information on increasing the safety of your transactions, please review Fraud Prevention Tips for Buyers.

Buyer Complaint Process Requirements

In order for a transaction to be eligible for Buyer Complaint Process review:

   * You must have used PayPal to pay for your purchase.
   * You must not have received the item that you purchased.
   * You must file a claim within 45 days of payment.
   * Your purchase must be a tangible item. Services and intangible items, such as emailed recipes and e-books, are not covered.

LOL...Runlola.  When did you become the spokesperson for Frank?

I feel like a lawyer here..LOL..not sure if I'm a defense or prosecuting one.   Totally sucks that people are actually thrust into this position.

I see both sides....duh there, seeings how I'm a mod and I'm privy to what little knowledge we hold.  (big clue everyone...WE are all in the dark) Which then kicks in my understanding of those whom want answers...cause I'm one of those.

Nay

Slowly I start to wish that Frank is a con artist  or something, because I don't want him to go tru some hard times I don't want him to suffer. It sure would be better for him to lay at a beach then to lay in a hospital wouldn't it?  I strongly feel it is the later though. Which makes me  very sad.  Maybe people are searching for answers because they want him back.

Still doing AP researches on what is happening with Frank. And gives us the "report" back.

Tombo:

Quote from: TomboSlowly I start to wish that Frank is a con artist  or something, because I don't want him to go tru some hard times I don't want him to suffer. It sure would be better for him to lay at a beach then to lay in a hospital wouldn't it?  I strongly feel it is the later though. Which makes me  very sad.  Maybe people are searching for answers because they want him back.

I am starting to think that is better for him to be in a beach (and so being a liar) than being in the hospital (and be the old Frank that we know)....

Lets see how things are going to end...

I don't pretend to know anything about Frank or even his virtual class since I have not been on the boards in quite some time, at least on a consistent basis, but I do know this: Frank once disappeared from the forums for a very long time (months...perhaps about 3-5 months or thereabouts) and then, suddenly, he reappeared.  He had been contributing a lot and his posts, as always, were of the highest caliber.  

Then one day, out of the blue, he was back.  I recall some excuse for his absence (you can search for the posts I'm sure).  Anyhow, it strange and for me, as an outsider, it holds some allure...but more likely than not he is simply busy or lazy.  Perhaps, however, he is ill...but you think he would be able to send out a message or at least give a loved one his username and password to log on and let people know what's going on. :question:

My two cents are officially deposited.

Should anyone have any luck contacting him in any environment it is critical that that he be informed to check his e-mails, and msgs on this site. There are ways of helping that I doubt he knows of or has considered but are far more effective than most mainstream methods. Rife machines and etc.

Thankyou

Rob

I am assuming there has been no news or word on Frank?

I have been trying to do the Phasing techniques for 3 months or so, at least as much I can understand of it.  I keep trying to relax and notice and sometimes I see things like star fields, feel lighter and a little bit of a conscious shift  but they seem far and few in between.

Yesterday after work was weird... I got home from work and was a bit tired since I cleaned up all of the leaves the night before.  I sat on the recliner and got comfortable. I was just trying to do some visualization affirmations for something different to do.  

I found my barely able to keep attention and focus as I was drifting into and out of sleep.  I was really trying hard not to fall asleep.  I never got through all of the visualizations  which only takes 7-10 minutes.  Into and out of sleep I went....  The next thing I knew I had these vibrations I don't mean tingling I mean vibrations.  I've heard of people having these before OBE's.  Even though I've been trying the Phasing stuff (don't really no too much about it) I thought this was an opportunity that a lot of newbie's hope for.  If I thought about the vibrations they seemed to diminish.  I tried to go with the flow and let them happen and they got more intense.  It felt like someone was squeezing my heart and it felt as if it might explode.  

Being the first time this happened to me I didn't know what to do next plus I was nervous about the whole thing.  It did take me awhile to be able to open my eyes and come back and move around.  I did want to continue but didn't know what to do or to expect and was nervous.

It was weird because like I said my body was tired from the night before and full day of work and the whole episode I barely tried to do anything, I mean I could barely keep focused.  Maybe I just got lucky with the whole thing.  Looking back I guess I should have let the vibrations get really intense to see what happened.

Any advice as to what I should do if I ever have this happen again?  I really do hope it happens again I would like to experience an OBE even though I think I have been practicing the Phasing techniques.

Thanks.

Quote from: SliderI am assuming there has been no news or word on Frank?

I have been trying to do the Phasing techniques for 3 months or so, at least as much I can understand of it.  I keep trying to relax and notice and sometimes I see things like star fields, feel lighter and a little bit of a conscious shift  but they seem far and few in between.

Yesterday after work was weird... I got home from work and was a bit tired since I cleaned up all of the leaves the night before.  I sat on the recliner and got comfortable. I was just trying to do some visualization affirmations for something different to do.  

I found my barely able to keep attention and focus as I was drifting into and out of sleep.  I was really trying hard not to fall asleep.  I never got through all of the visualizations  which only takes 7-10 minutes.  Into and out of sleep I went....  The next thing I knew I had these vibrations I don't mean tingling I mean vibrations.  I've heard of people having these before OBE's.  Even though I've been trying the Phasing stuff (don't really no too much about it) I thought this was an opportunity that a lot of newbie's hope for.  If I thought about the vibrations they seemed to diminish.  I tried to go with the flow and let them happen and they got more intense.  It felt like someone was squeezing my heart and it felt as if it might explode.  

Being the first time this happened to me I didn't know what to do next plus I was nervous about the whole thing.  It did take me awhile to be able to open my eyes and come back and move around.  I did want to continue but didn't know what to do or to expect and was nervous.

It was weird because like I said my body was tired from the night before and full day of work and the whole episode I barely tried to do anything, I mean I could barely keep focused.  Maybe I just got lucky with the whole thing.  Looking back I guess I should have let the vibrations get really intense to see what happened.

Any advice as to what I should do if I ever have this happen again?  I really do hope it happens again I would like to experience an OBE even though I think I have been practicing the Phasing techniques.

Thanks.

I really dont think this is the right thread for phasing questions, so you might get more help if you make a seperate thread for your question.

However, it seems like you answered your OWN question when you said "Looking back i guess i should have just let the vibrations get really intense to see what happened". MOST people who get the vibes dont get very far their first time, its just too weird of a sensation to ignore if youve never felt it.

Keep practicing and you will get the vibes again. Whats better, now that you are familiar with the state it will be easier to get back. So good luck ;)

There is an old-fashion way to look for a person - go to his place and check it out. There must be some members living within few hours driving distance from his address, which is published.

Regards,

DG

QuoteThere must be some members living within few hours driving distance from his address, which is published.

Published where? We would love to, but unfortunately his address is not easy to pin down

I believe it was written in his newsletters. Once I tracked it down by mapblast. It is south France, not far from Italian boarder. Unfortunately, I have deleted his news letters, and cannot find it anymore. Maybe somebody still keeps them.

DG

Sure,here is the adress:

FRANK J. KEPPLE

6 Grand Rue, 83690 Salernes, France

I found this forum few days ago and I've been doing a lot of reading since then.

Frank's posts were so inspiring and so different from other OBErs' POV that I was willing to give it a try... Then I read of his Virtual Class and I got excited with the idea of really being able of OBEing with his teachings and, after more reading, I find out that Frank's missing and still today, December 2005, you/we know nothing about him...

I thought, by all that I've been reading, that on this board there were good Astral Travelers who could have visited Frank to see how he's doing.

I know some of you have tried with little success and this makes me think if all this AP/OBE thing is for real or just a delusion made by our willingness of letting our minds playing trick (imaginary works) as a way to escape from REALITY...

Neo

Quote from: NeoInAstralWorldI found this forum few days ago and I've been doing a lot of reading since then.

Frank's posts were so inspiring and so different from other OBErs' POV that I was willing to give it a try... Then I read of his Virtual Class and I got excited with the idea of really being able of OBEing with his teachings and, after more reading, I find out that Frank's missing and still today, December 2005, you/we know nothing about him...

I thought, by all that I've been reading, that on this board there were good Astral Travelers who could have visited Frank to see how he's doing.

I know some of you have tried with little success and this makes me think if all this AP/OBE thing is for real or just a delusion made by our willingness of letting our minds playing trick (imaginary works) as a way to escape from REALITY...

Neo

Lol, dont let our results here get you down. remember this is a new science and what we are trying to do has never been done before. Rest assured that frank is not a con, and all of his posts were truthful and meant to help others.

Frank himself would probably have a really hard time trying to track someone down through non physical means.

Quotethis [/b]makes me think if all this AP/OBE thing is for real or just a delusion made by our willingness of letting our minds playing trick (imaginary works) as a way to escape from REALITY...

Hehe...to steal a line from Morpheus what IS real? Your right in saying our imaginations play a huge role in the process but that doesnt make it any less "real". we've just been conditioned to think that whatever we see here on earth is "real" and everything else is "fake". in reality, theres not much of a difference between a car visualized in your mind and a real live car outside in your garage. the only differences are in YOUR perception.

My tip to you is use the search feature to read posts by Frank, MT, etc, and read all the topics in "Permanent Topics" and "Astral FAQs".

QuoteI know some of you have tried with little success and this makes me think if all this AP/OBE thing is for real or just a delusion made by our willingness of letting our minds playing trick (imaginary works) as a way to escape from REALITY...

It surprises me that someone with your nic would allow someone else to tell you what REALITY is. Believe me, if you get started on this path, you really do start to see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

I think part of the problem with finding Frank is that Frank doesn't want to be found. I'll bet it's pretty easy to be elusive in the astral, and not a lot of us have developed our remote viewing skills. Even if we had, we'd need more traditional "intelligence" to verify what we saw.

Mactombs wrote:

QuoteIt surprises me that someone with your nic would allow someone else to tell you what REALITY is

Well, as a NEO (NEW) person in this field, I still have a lot to discover/learn from the astral plane... Reading in other forums I've found weird stories I don't think I should believe blindly. I understand that most of the people here and from other Astral Forums are still apprentices with just very few 'hours of flight' experience who are willing to 'help' explaining their stories but this, in fact, is only a blind person trying to guide to another blind person...

That's why I sometimes doubt the 'reality' of the AP's phenomena: If everything on the other side is so real as on THIS side, how come that the experts cannot success 100% in something as 'easy'  :question:  as going to a place in the 'real-world' and explain what's going on there?

But I'm afraid this is a topic for another thread  :idea:

Neo[/b]

QuoteI understand that most of the people here and from other Astral Forums are still apprentices with just very few 'hours of flight' experience who are willing to 'help' explaining their stories but this, in fact, is only a blind person trying to guide to another blind person...

But see, there again, you are trying to interpret reality from other people's experiences. You need to take that red pill yourself, Neo ...

Quote from: NeoInAstralWorldMactombs wrote:

QuoteIt surprises me that someone with your nic would allow someone else to tell you what REALITY is

Well, as a NEO (NEW) person in this field, I still have a lot to discover/learn from the astral plane... Reading in other forums I've found weird stories I don't think I should believe blindly. I understand that most of the people here and from other Astral Forums are still apprentices with just very few 'hours of flight' experience who are willing to 'help' explaining their stories but this, in fact, is only a blind person trying to guide to another blind person...

Correctomondo. No one really knows whats going on, with the "astral" or otherwise. Even the wisest scientists beliefs are based on educated guesses of percieved phenomena. And most of these "scientists" are just payed goons who are given money to produce the right results, if you get what im saying.

QuoteThat's why I sometimes doubt the 'reality' of the AP's phenomena: If everything on the other side is so real as on THIS side, how come that the experts cannot success 100% in something as 'easy'  :question:  as going to a place in the 'real-world' and explain what's going on there?

Once again its not about REALITY. These things ARE "real" wether you believe in them or not. The real question is what ARE they.

There are no "experts" in this field, im sorry to say. The nature of the work makes it quite tough for anyone to get past their own constructs and actually do some educational and/or helpful work. Its sort of like taking LSD and trying to help an old lady cross the road. Good luck getting anything done when the cars are talking to you, haha. I do believe, however that we are starting to see some actual progress in the field with the likes of robert monroe , laberge, moen and frank k.

I guess what im saying is, this isnt like any other subject where you can just learn from books or other people. This is a very personal, subjective practice that takes alot of time and effort. And thats the easy part. You really have to learn to divide belief from reality, because reality is for the most part, YOUR BELIEFS. Once you get the right beliefs its just a matter of time and effort like i said. So read up on the forums as much as you can, examine your entire belief system, and dont stop practicing.

oh yeah, and practice during the day/ in the morning sometimes! youll thank me later!

Anybody know anything about what is up with Frank?

Kevin

Well we know he's not dead.

Because there's no such thing as death.

Hey Telos, haven't seen you for ages

Hello from me :smile:

Yeh welcome back Telos!  Been round the world or did yor computer just pack in?

Yo Frank!! Just come drop a line!!

This is probably old news as many may have already done this. I was just cleaning out some old e-mail and I seen a e-mail from Frank Kepple. It was the Astral Projection Truth Newsletter. I replied to it with a read receipt. So far the e-mail has not been opened. I did get the auto-response telling me that the e-mail has been received and that he can not send a response to every e-mail. This at least seems that someone is still maintaining his website.

The mystery of Frank will never be solved.

Maybe he just died.

I don't know, if I was as an active user on this forum like Frank was, I would not run and hide when I got sick. I'd simply state that I was sick and I'm going away for a while. I don't see what all the secrecy is. Whatever.

This is a theory of mine. I think that while he was trying to get the virtual classroom set up he used all or most of the money that people had sent him. Realized that this just wasn't going to work out or he just made some bad financial decisions. Rather than facing everyone and losing all creditability on this forum. He decided to just disappear. He probably is still working on mapping the human consciousness and may appear someday but with another screen name.

This is an AP forum. Why doesn't someone who is an advanced practitioner simply contact Frank. Would that make too much sense?

From what I've read, people have tried to contact him that way.

EDITED 'cause I can't frakking type correctly. My think-to-type connection is no good right now. No, wait. It's just my thinking that's not so good right now. My typing skills are no good, either. Maybe I was right the first time around. Maybe I was never good at using the English language. US public schools... Knowerrimean?

But anyway, I think there may have been a mention of trying to contact Frank through / in the Astral. Maybe a few pages back. You go look! I can't right now.

Quote from: RelaxingDragonThis is an AP forum. Why doesn't someone who is an advanced practitioner simply contact Frank. Would that make too much sense?

Advanced practitioner? LOL, where?

If I had to guess, I'd say the 2 most likely possibilities in the mystery of Frank are:

A- he died, or
B- he used the money for something he was not supposed to use it for

There is no way he has been sick all of this time and could not have at least posted 1 message to these boards- not unless he was in a coma or something. Maybe he used the money for medical bills? I dunno. Maybe he had debts? :question:

I say put Frank to rest. I think he's a real heal if he took peoples money and they didn't get what he was offering. I don't know this to be true though. I say we just put the guy to rest. If he's alive and doesn't have the common decency to answer people that looked up to him, then I say he's not much of a person. If he's on his death bed and physically incapable of typing, I'll buy that.

If I was dying, I don't think answering questions on a forum would be on the top of the to-do list. But if he's physically incapable, I understand.

I don't think that's the case however. I feel he took some money from a lot of people ( I think that's what I read) and is being a coward about it because he spent the money or whatever. I'd face up to it though. Karma always comes and bites you in the asss when your least expecting it. That's a guarantee. But whatever. I'd just let the guy go, he's not coming back here.

Kevin

Maybe frank is among us with a different nick name :)

just a silly idea

Quote from: KazbadanMaybe frank is among us with a different nick name :)

just a silly idea

Maybe you are Frank!

:grin:

eheh...shhhh, dont tell my secret to anyone ;)

Quote from: Kazbadaneheh...shhhh, dont tell my secret to anyone ;)

grrr..benfica knocked liverpool out of the CL last night  :sad:  gutted

Hey,  iam portuguese but i dont like  benfica :)

we shouldn't judge until the truth is known about Frank... how much did people lose on this virtual classroom anyways? if its over $100. I would be a little upsett, but there's nothing we can do except wish him well with his life endeavors.. wasting time, energy on hate is not the answer.. lets project and spend our energy towards the positive..

tvos

I don't know if anyone has attempted yet, but I really recommend looking for him in the astral.

I saw a kid claiming that he could do remote viewing and would randomly pick people in chat rooms and start telling them about what their room looked like. I don't know if he was telling the truth, but if he was, Frank's nickname on these boards is probably the only thing you need to know to find him if he is indeed still alive.

It would be an interesting experiment, as well... Anyone up for a challenge? :P

Quote from: the voice of silencewe shouldn't judge until the truth is known about Frank... how much did people lose on this virtual classroom anyways? if its over $100. I would be a little upsett, but there's nothing we can do except wish him well with his life endeavors.. wasting time, energy on hate is not the answer.. lets project and spend our energy towards the positive..

tvos

$300........I wrote it off as a learning experience on a lot of different fronts.

Slider,

You paid $300.00 for this virtual classroom? I thought it was around $50.00 and not high.

I am sorry to hear of the loss - but lets hope that Frank comes back in good health and keeps his promise.

Tvos

$300 multiplied by how many people?... maybe this is part of the course... a lesson in not giving out lots of money to people you dont know, he was always against mystics who charged for information you could find on the web [/sarcasm]

I say everyone who lost out to frank should put a little bit of money together and hire a private detective to track Frank down...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=private+detective&meta=
Not that its a good idea, but because ive always wanted to hire a private detective :grin: ...

RooJ,

That surprizes me of the amount to sign up for this virtual classroom. Did anyone obtain reciepts, transaction authentications on this?

I've pondered of charging a small fee to enter my web site, but honestly it is not my intent or goal. If someone asked me to work with them step by step on how to project then it would be a different story because that would be taking away from my time.

I am sure something will surface as to what happened with Frank. I'm surprized none of the mods know his where abouts and contacting him to dispell rumors. At least, I would think that would be the professional way to handle it.

I'm sure there were a lot of people who signed up that are not too happy. Do we know the number to date?

Tvos

I thought I mentioned on one of these pages (when I was a mod) that we didn't know one thing.  Now that I'm not a mod, I still don't know squat, but have my opinions on the whole ugly mess.

Maybe since I haven't been a mod some info has come into play?

I cant believe this thread is still going but heres my story to add to this (even though I am sure it is in this thread already somewhere).  I paid $128 (I think that was for 4 months... maybe 6???? I dont recall) and from the beginning it was all rather unorganized.  The way the class was conducted was very sloppy and news was spare.  However, during the month and a half I could readily contact frank I talked with him via email every day and he tutored me personally, and after 3 weeks I had made more progress with phasing than I had made in a year.  I had my first and second conscious phases using his advice and he kept me motivated.  Through out this time there where no signs of unwillingness to cooperate with people signed up for the class or any signs of foul play.  

Anyone who has been on this forum for a long time knows that Frank was a fountain of information.  I was granted a brief period where that fountain was at my direct disposal.  Then his computer died.  Supposedly.  I believe it but some may not.  Then when he got his computer fixed he fell ill due to an infection that spread into his jaw and head from a previous motorcycle accident.  He was hospitalized and was near death.  He sent one email to me (and to all members of the class if I remember correctly) stating that he was going to take some time off to recuperate and get back into the class.  Then all lines of communication went silent.  After all this time without any communication I think hes dead personally.

Was anyone else who was in the class that is reading this in contact with him as often as I was?  Did you learn anything???  I dont know anyone elses experience with it, but mine, for the brief time it went on, was pleasant and worth the money (not all of it but had I spent the rest of the time conversing with him every day and making just as much progress it would have been)

Hi Tvos

I think you would be perfectly justified in charging a nominal fee to use your website, I definitely wouldn't think any the less of you for it, after all this sort of thing does take time and to be realistic time is money!  I am amazed that people like Bob Peterson and Robert Bruce publish a lot of excellent material on AP for free on the internet.  We all have mortgages to pay.

As for Frank, I have no idea what happened.  I'd be interested to know how many people signed up and what sort of sums were involved.  Is his website still up and running?  I've lost the link and would be interested to re-read the blurb...

Catmeow,

Thank You for the info. - as for now, I've been getting a little bit of traffic, but if it picks up beyond belief then maybe. For now, I am just having fun with it and nice to share the info. Have you been to the site yet?

Knightlight,

That is cool you were able to communicate with Frank, email and been able to assist you. So far the only talk I've heard has been negative and people not receiving their money. Unfortunately, when it comes to money and fountain of information - Frank's image is tarnished...:(

Tvos

QuoteThen when he got his computer fixed he fell ill due to an infection that spread into his jaw and head from a previous motorcycle accident. He was hospitalized and was near death.

Really?  He sent this in the emails to all or just you?  This is the first I'm hearing about the infection..unless I missed it in earier pages.

QuoteAfter all this time without any communication I think hes dead personally.

That would be my guess aswell, or seriously ill.. maybe a coma or something. Really with the information we have it wouldn't be too hard to find him. Maybe ill go searching during the summer, France is just a hop across the channel. I think if he has died he'd want someone to find him so they can rescue his (possibly unfinished) ebook from his computer. It would be a shame if all that hard work and important information went to waste, just think, its likely sat there on an old harddrive in some store room now, potentially never to be read by anyone else.

His site is still up catmeow:
http://www.astralprojectiontruth.com

Should it not be taken down though??, DNS admin is still registered as adrian@cooper.net, aka Adrian Cooper from the astralpulse?

p.s.
Nay, may i ask why your no longer moderator :\.

I wanted to leave a few months ago but was asked to stay.  I stayed to help out Adrian and thought that my feelings would change, they didn't, they got worse.  My feelings were that of a hypocrite.  I could not in all good conscience ask members to abide by certain rules when others got away with breaking the rules.  And when you have mods that can not get along and fight amoungst themselves, well it doesn't take a real genius to figure out to leave.

I am not telling this to hurt others or say that anyone is bad, I'm just telling you my feelings on it.  You asked and I wanted to answer, perhaps just to get things off my chest.  :dont-know:

Of course I love this forum and will continue to visit.  I've learned some valuable lessons here, wanted or not. :lol:

Take Care,
Nay

ok so I have kept this info under lock and key (and apparently everyone else has as well) in hopes that things would get back on track.  I am going to release this last email I recieved from frank in hopes of clearing things up and I think everyone here who has been here for a while would probably like to know this stuff.  Everyone in the classroom got this email (I left the adresses out for obvious reasons) and I think it has been long enough where I dont think Frank is coming back or would care if I gave out this info now.

This is the last email I was sent by Frank.

9/11/05

Hello everyone:



I am back in the land of the living, so to speak, and shall resume normal service very soon.



I apologise for the delay in the presentation of the VC service. It has been a rather uncomfortable experience for me; an unfortunate mix of circumstances that I should never want to repeat. Understandably, people lead very busy lives and they do not want to hear of my problems and I have tried not to present them to you but I fear that, in my doing so, I have caused yet further misunderstanding.



As you know, I had rather a difficult time of late with regard to computer issues. I was quite stressed, I had just gotten going with the VC and this should befall me. I was cheesed off, to be honest, very bonking stressed, if the truth be known, because I have wanted to create a little classroom of like-minded individuals for at least a year.



I have an old injury, from the old days of my motorcycle-racing years. It started bothering me, in my jaw. I was stressed and I needed to get the service under way. I was having computer problems and they took priority. But the swelling just kept on happening. Before I knew it, my whole side of my face was easily twice the size of the other side. I didn't care, to be honest, because launching the VC was the only thing on my mind.



When I got the donated computer, I was ecstatic, so much so that I just plugged the flaming thing in. Completely forgetting that the mains supply here is 230 volts and in the US, where the very kindly donated computer came from, is actually 110 volts. Further delay ensued as the power-supply just went bang.



In the meantime, the pain was now so bad from my face I could not sleep. But the only thing on my mind was getting the VC service underway. It was quite a trying time and, I admit, the problems associated with the computer issue held sway.



Unfortunately, the infection that I dearly hoped would go away spread through my jaw, my face, my neck and chest. It got such that I was largely immobile.



Eventually I had to see a doctor and he was totally outraged that I had left it so long. I was in severe pain and could not eat or sleep from the experience. I was put on a course of antibiotics and painkilling tablets that, to be honest, just had me totally "out of it" as it were. And that is how I have been for the past weeks.



I have been staying with a friend of mine, on the coast, just totally away from computers and trying to get myself together. I returned yesterday to my home and logged on and there has been some activity amongst you.



Ha ha, people have been suggesting this is an "elaborate con". You have very overactive imaginations, lol.



Anyone who wishes a refund, then simply ask for a chargeback via PayPal. I will give people an ample 3 weeks to do that while I recover the last few percent. Those that are left, then we shall get down to learning about the Wider Reality.



Funny, I always hoped that in a year or so we would all become good friends. So maybe this has be a natural way of sorting wheat from chaff. I don't mind, I certainly don't need the money. But it would be nice to teach you all the Truth of what goes on. I thought if I could give you guys and gals a little prosperity leg-up, so to speak, you'd donate a percentage to the foundation.



I mean, if we are going to create a whole Foundation, like bricks and mortar between us, then we are going to need quite a lot of money. What better way than for me to teach you that, and each person donate a small percentage.



Regards,

Frank

Knightlight,

A few things I want to point out.

I'm a IT consultant and experienced in the field for the last 20yrs. Power supplies are very simple to swap out and the price are cheap and under $80.00USD depending on brand and wattage.

Another thing that seems like denial is "he doesn't need the money" but a friend donates a computer, or pro-longs his health problem and then finally see's the doctor. Why didn't he just refund everyone money back if he didn't need the money?

Lets just hope that something good comes out of this and everyone will be refunded.

Maybe people on this board who are fluent in OBE's (Ex: Me, Major Tom, Stookie) can create a virtual class, setup a conference and helps those who paid? What about an idea of actually having a meeting, conference by phone?

Just my .2 to help out..

Tvos

well he went through paypal, and paypal is evil.  If we where not in contact with him he could not send the money directly to us, and paypal has a limited time to request your money back.  Or so thats what everyone who actually tried to get their money back said.

I know how easy it is to change a power supply but maybe he didnt... and he lives in bum-**** country bumpkin france, who knows how easy a power supply is to attain there.  I am not saying it is all 100% on the straight and narrow but who knows really... bah.

I find this very curious, forgive me.

I'm left wondering why he would not send Adrian this "email" or at least copy it onto the mod forum?  And forgive me again but that email could be something you just wrote out.  I'm not sure WHY you would do this, it doesn't make sense.  

Why, out of all these people on the forums, especially Adrian, would Frank choose you to hold the missing key, why?  And if he sent this same email to ALL of the people in the class, why are we just NOW hearing about it, why aren't  they falling all over themselves to prove Frank's innocence?  

Two and two is just not adding up in my book.  Some weird going ons Ethel..

LOL nay  :razz:  Yes I just decided to randomly forge an email from Frank to impress everyone and try to seem important...   :roll:  

QuoteWhy, out of all these people on the forums, especially Adrian, would Frank choose you to hold the missing key, why? And if he sent this same email to ALL of the people in the class, why are we just NOW hearing about it, why aren't they falling all over themselves to prove Frank's innocence?  

Dont ask me... you want me to post all the email addresses this was sent to?  I dont think the people on the list would be very happy necessarily, and I wouldnt want to devulge anyones email unecessarily.  And as to why your just hearing about it now, who knows, I am surprised no one else on the list of recipients hasnt said anything about it yet.  It truely baffles me.  I am assuming most of them arent members of this forum but those who are have kept there mouth shut for no apparent reason, me included.  I just figured what happened in the class stayed there, and I had held out alot of hope that Frank would magically reappear and begin where we left off and all would be well and he would explain it all.  Well that hasnt happened.  Its been a LONG time since I got that email and I figure whats the harm in releasing it.  As usual nay you go that extra mile and analyze things and  then flesh it out into some grand conspiracy.   :lol:   I love you nay but but you can be stark raving mad sometimes.

QuoteYou have a good heart as usual Dave, but I'm probably as uncomfortable with the whole "teacher" position as being "taught" anything in this particular minefield of experience.

However, I'm available as usual through PM if people do not freak not with no answer now and then (which probably means I have none), or delays, or when I have my mind set on other priorities.

Regarding Frank, it's probably best people move on, and start singing their own song.

Very true Tom, all of it.  I think it would be possible to do a classroom with the people who where supposed to be in the class but how many of them frequent this forum?  I guess we could expand it out to anyone else who wanted in but that could get way out of hand.  I think we do a good job of helping each other out here already but I think a bit more organization would be helpful......  Unfortunately the more experience I gain involving phasing and astral projection the more I realize that there really arent any masters out there, its a never ending lesson and teaching it is a bit hard to say the least.  I also think everyone basically HAS moved on and started to sing their own song, but this was a big event for alot of us who where in the class... a big dissapointment.

Quote from: knightlight
When I got the donated computer, I was ecstatic, so much so that I just plugged the flaming thing in. Completely forgetting that the mains supply here is 230 volts and in the US, where the very kindly donated computer came from, is actually 110 volts. Further delay ensued as the power-supply just went bang.
Regards,

Frank

Would a 110 volt plug appear different than an 230 volt plug? Would a 110 volt plug fit into a 230 volt socket?

Yeah it would, there is just a switch on the back of all power supplies (atleast all the ones I have ever seen) that flips the supply from 115 to 230.  Supposedly he was a tard and didnt flip the switch, resulting in meltdown.  :lol:

Would it flip from 110 to 230?

QuoteAs usual nay you go that extra mile and analyze things and then flesh it out into some grand conspiracy. Laughing I love you nay but but you can be stark raving mad sometimes.

That is a very strange thing to say to me, I don't even know you. :confused:   Have you and I talked at all??  You seem to act like you know me better than you really do, why is that, Knightlight?  :wink:  And sorry, I don't love you, because I don't KNOW you....

Grand conspiracy?  Stark raving mad?   No, it is called putting things together.  I don't know about you but when I put things together and it doesn't make sense then it is quite obvious that something is amiss.  And I'm beginning to learn more every day that the internet is just not the place to be if you expect honesty from people.   That is my main problem these days.

So, yeah Knightlight, the few years that some of us knew Frank has no bearing on the fact that you come out of no where and have all the answers that you just forgot to share with a very large group of people who had been yelling for answers.  Yeah, your story sounds right on track.  :roll:  

I don't know what your parents taught you about manners, but I would appreciate that you do not call me names anymore and please don't talk to me as if you and I have been friends for a few years.  Thanks.

Quote from: knightlightLOL nay  :razz:  Yes I just decided to randomly forge an email from Frank to impress everyone and try to seem important...   :roll:  

Knightlight, I have posted on this forum for 2 or 3 years now. I have read hundreds of Frank's posts.

The email you claim to have received from Frank is clearly a hoax. I am not sure why you wrote it. To be honest, I do not care.

If you continue to post similar material with the purpose of misleading people, I will simply delete your posts.

regards,
Mark

RooJ

Thanks a million for the link.  Frank's website always looked a bit loud and tacky to me and still does.  Looks just like one of those hard-sell sites selling vitamin pills which cure everything from impotence to arthritis....  This always worried me a lot because it is so out of character with the apparent intelligence and maturity of his posts on this forum.  Doesn't really add up to me?

It's also difficult to reconcile the fact that on the one hand Frank is begging a computer and on the other hand he says he doesn't need the money?  Also anyone can pick up a new or even second hand computer for next to nothing these days.  I personally know one young kid who just bought himself a new laptop and he's on state benefits!

Take a look at Bob Peterson's web site ... simple, no hard sell, no outrageous claims, and lots of excellent info for free!  It's a treasure trove. No doubt Bob makes money out of his interest in AP, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with this and he does it the right way.....

http://www.robertpeterson.org/  <--- LOOK HERE!


Tvos

I looked at your website when it first appeared in your signature and had a bit of a sniff around.  I liked what I saw but haven't registered yet so haven't done the full tour! I'll do so this weekend.  I actually downloaded a lot of your diaries from your ftp site when you first published these.  I thought you were and are amazingly generous to put this personal info out in this way!  :wink:

Catmeow,

Thank You for the kind words and also pointing out the misspelling in my link. That's taken care of now! - editing, the editing...!

I would have to agree with Cat-meow on the price of computers these days. The local pc store about 3miles from my home sells used computers. Last time I looked, they were selling 1.5ghz (dell) with 256mb of ram with a decent hard drive for about $150.00. My laptop that I use is a 400mhz with 192mb of ram and ran my wife $5.00 at her office. There are a few small problems with it but for the most part it does the trick.

I first looked at Robert Peterson's web site and couldn't figure out for the life of me the layout, not the most glorious visual site but it gets the job done and very well! In all honestly, when I looked at Frank's web site, it turned me off and advertised 'The OBE Wonder Pill" and buy my fool proof product. Please forgive me on the judgment but this is the way is presented...:(

Tvos

QuoteKnightlight, I have posted on this forum for 2 or 3 years now.

Actually you are up for your 4yr anniversary!   :occasion18:  Congrats Mark!  Thanks for being here for others! :grin:

Take Care,
Nay

Wow, drama! It's like the X-Files. Maybe a secret government got Frank and Knightlight is from the Department of Misinformation? Nay could secretly be a Gray ... maybe Gray's mouths can't say "grr" so they pronounce it "Nay" ...

so much hostility...some bad vibes going on

i never watched the x-files... not too much into tv shows, although i do like law and order with lenny...

anyways, we've gotten off the subject and i ask myself "why" should we continue to beat this to death.. lets move on a talk about better things and maybe get a phone/video  conference going where we could meet to discuss how to help one another since we are all in the same boat.

tvos

Quote from: El-Bortukaliso much hostility...some bad vibes going on

So, create some good ones instead of just complaining about the bad ones. Jayzus Christ con Queso!

Group hug?  :roll:

Quote from: knightlight

QuoteWould it flip from 110 to 230?

Yes it would.  If the operator of the computer remembered to switch it, power supplies can run at 110 or 230.  But if you are running 230 into a power supply set at 110 its going to fry the whole thing.

OK. Thanks!

(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/fart.gif)  No wait, not that one, this one.
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/leb.gif)

Group dance?  :lol:  You are basing a few post on my personality?  I'm really quite easy going, until I have to deal with a bunch of victims that can't get over themselves.  But anyhoo...

Me thinks he doth protest too much.. (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/spezial/Fool/thk.gif)

Take it easy,
Nay

LOL Nay yes... I gathered as much from your posts, but I also gathered that when you feel a certain way about something that may run parallel to your ideas you tend to... well.. over react a bit.  Tis all.  I actually agree with you more often than not but I guess this is a different matter.  :dont-know:


I agree that we need to form a strong support network for all who wish to persue astral projection/phasing and are serious about it.  I think alot of our collective talent is wasted here, we could accomplish so much together.  

Lets put all this behind us for now and focus on the real task at hand.  Lets get the ball rolling and get people involved.  Lets be the first to form a school for the novice projector that WORKS.  With the experience among our members we could form a collective force that could change the lives of many.  I for one am all about it, not that I have too terribly much to contribute, but every bit counts, and those bits add up..... LETS DO IT.

Not sure, but being an American living in Ireland, I can tell you that although there is a switch on the computer to change the power supplied the actual plug is TOTALLY different. I couldn't just plug a US TV into an outlet over here without an adapter and from what my friends over here say, the plugs are once again different in France...they are thinking it is a two prong circular outlet. Now one could use an adapter, but they are crap and most ppl would only use them for travel purposes and not long term electrical supply for something like a computer or tv.

I was part of the Virtual Classroom and the email Knightlight posted is authentic.

I don't want to stir the pot any more than it is, just wanted to let you know the email is accurate.

Having said that, I still think Frank is/was authentic. He took the time to answer my questions, both public and PM, and I am very thankful for that.

Either he is recovering somewhere away from computers or he has switched his primary focus (as he would say). I have moved on and have been trying to go at it alone with the info Frank has left. It is slow going, but it is better than nothing.

I will also vouch for the authenticity of Frank's letter.  Part of me is holding out hope that he'll come back one day, but who knows.

Quote from: Ben K^Good choice. Even if frank somehow died im sure one of us could contact him in F3oC. Or he would contact us ;)

Or perhaps he died and realised that all the stuff he'd been researching wasn't the way he thought it was and therefore cannot contact because the laws of this 'new' existance won't allow him.

Frank helped me out a lot when I was first getting into the phasing and I'm quite certain he is not a conman, a cheat, a liar, or dishonest in anyway.

I hope he's not dead but at the rate things are going, I'm going to hazard a guess that we might never see him on these forums again.

I've always had my own theories about where Frank's theories and Focus Levels slip easily into everyday life and if you attach them to a more in depth version of the Intelligent life/Creation theory, then you, well at least I, begin to see where he was coming from.

*shrugs*

I'm just gonna leave it there.  It's up to us to speculate such things and as for the letters, unless I see the name Frank, as the poster, I'm not going to believe a word.

Andali

Quote from: TheJzaI was part of the Virtual Classroom and the email Knightlight posted is authentic.

I don't want to stir the pot any more than it is, just wanted to let you know the email is accurate.

Having said that, I still think Frank is/was authentic. He took the time to answer my questions, both public and PM, and I am very thankful for that.

Either he is recovering somewhere away from computers or he has switched his primary focus (as he would say). I have moved on and have been trying to go at it alone with the info Frank has left. It is slow going, but it is better than nothing.

Knightlight - please accept my humble apologies for my earlier comments. I feel like a bit of an idiot right now !!
kind regards,
Mark

Quote from: knightlightI know how easy it is to change a power supply but maybe he didnt... and he lives in bum-**** country bumpkin france, who knows how easy a power supply is to attain there.  I am not saying it is all 100% on the straight and narrow but who knows really... bah.

France is on the same level as the US in terms of technology... Computer stores are everywhere.

In any case, I'm guessing he reused the wire from the power supply to the wall outlet from his old computer if he didn't use an adapter, otherwise he would probably have thought about the voltage difference...

I've moved back and forth between France and the US 3 times, and every time, without fail, something would blow up... It's just the kind of stuff that completely slips the mind for some reason...

There's something I thought about:

If something bad happened to him, his bank accounts were most likely closed. Hence, payment for his internet bill could not be made to his ISP. Hence, the ISP probably knows that something happened, because when someone is deceased, they have to contact the person's family members to collect their dues. (Or, ultimately, his family closed the account and the ISP is aware of the circumstances regardless)

I'm not sure what the laws are in France regarding the release of clients' personal information -- it's probably impossible to get information without a letter of attorney of some kind, but who knows, it might be worth a shot...

So if anyone wants me to, I could write to the ISP, in French, explain the situation, and see what would be required in order to obtain this kind of information.

Getting a letter of attorney is not a hard thing to do -- I'm sure at least one person here has a workplace legal department that can provide legal services to employees...

Of course, I'm not directly involved with the situation, so pardon me for intruding ; but if the main reason you have not been able to find out much is for language reasons, feel free to contact me, I'd be happy to help out.

Im not sure i got an answer to this before but has anyone tried writing a letter to Frank himself? If someones minding his house you may be able to communicate with them, and incase the address he gave in his newsletter isnt correct you could add a returns address... "if not delivered please return to...."
You could also address it to "the occupier" requesting information incase Frank isn't there.

Another method of contacting him could be to search the infobel whitepapers for his address, if its in there you can get his phone number from it.
http://www.infobel.com/france/wp/search/result.asp?FIRSTREC=5%20&QCITY=salernes%20&QCODE=20457954

Just ideas...

>RooJ

Quote from: clandestino

Quote from: TheJzaI was part of the Virtual Classroom and the email Knightlight posted is authentic.

I don't want to stir the pot any more than it is, just wanted to let you know the email is accurate.

Having said that, I still think Frank is/was authentic. He took the time to answer my questions, both public and PM, and I am very thankful for that.

Either he is recovering somewhere away from computers or he has switched his primary focus (as he would say). I have moved on and have been trying to go at it alone with the info Frank has left. It is slow going, but it is better than nothing.

Knightlight - please accept my humble apologies for my earlier comments. I feel like a bit of an idiot right now !!
kind regards,
Mark

Apology accepted.  I didnt expect you or anyone else who wasnt in the class to instantly believe me but I didnt expect to be called a fraud!!!  :lol:   All well, its all good.  Take care.

Thanks Knightlight.  That will be the last time I accuse anyone of being a fraud, based on my gut instincts....

Anyway, apologies again for my poor form !  :redface:

Mark

Why do i have also the bad feeling that i will never see Frank again on this forums?

I wish he could come back (soon).

Hey Frank! Come back! We miss you :)

Doesn't look too good for Frank in every way!

yeah, i know... :(

resurrecting an old thread. Did anyone ever figure out what happened to Frank?

Nothing concrete.

For the most part, unless some other information from any other source comes around, he died back in October 2005.

Sorry If it sounds stupid but is this Frank the Frank Kepple?