Hunting. Effect spirituality?

[Bedeekin]

HAha!!

"I look at them the way I do roaches"

Priceless.

5 years later you start picking off people

"I look at them the way I do Chipmunks"

That was a joke by the way and I am in no way saying that you are desensitising yourself to killing mammals by seeing them as another creature that is by our human standards lower than the mammal.... or am I?

"The way I look at these controversial issues: if it fits in with your morals, don't let someone else make you feel your doing something bad."



"Don't you make me feel bad for shooting Justin Beiber... It was a moral act and it had to be done!!!"

[Stillwater]

My perspective is this:

Do you need to hunt to eat and live? If so, do it in moderation, and with respect for the animals.

Do you not need to hunt to eat and live? If so, why cause harm that is unnecessary?

I place hunting many steps above raising animals on farms, and countless steps above producing them in factories as we do today. You must respect it for what it is though, and not take what you don't need.

[Stookie_]

HAha!!

"I look at them the way I do roaches"

Priceless.

5 years later you start picking off people

"I look at them the way I do Chipmunks"

That was a joke by the way and I am in no way saying that you are desensitising yourself to killing mammals by seeing them as another creature that is by our human standards lower than the mammal.... or am I?

"The way I look at these controversial issues: if it fits in with your morals, don't let someone else make you feel your doing something bad."



"Don't you make me feel bad for shooting Justin Beiber... It was a moral act and it had to be done!!!"

Morals are subjective, which is why controversial debates never cease. You have to live by your own morals - living by someone else's is having no conviciton and a lack of spirituality, no matter how good or positive it may sound (though I would say murder is having a lack of morals). In my case, letting a few ground squirrels live could mean the foundation of my home being destroyed and my house eventually collapsing. They're pests, and it's irresponsible to let pests thrive. You don't let roaches take over your kitchen.

This could apply to deer as well. There are many areas around here where the deer are so overpopulated they become inbred pests. It's irresponsible to let them get to that point. In this case, shooting for sport might not be a bad idea. Or what about animal shelters that have to put down animals? It's sad, but it's the most humane thing to do. I think one issue is that in society we tend to view death as always being a negative thing. It's not looked at as a cycle, it's seen as an end and it seems unjust, but that's all just in your morals and perspective.

Animals have no ego or self-awareness. They don't have individual souls, they share being on a soul/astral level (depending on your metaphysical beliefs). Their experience of death is not the same experience that humans go through. I'm not saying this makes killing animals OK, I'm just saying that our perspective may cloud the reality of the situation, which is why it's important to work through your own personal morals and values. That's all a person really has if they're going to be honest with themselves.

[Volgerle]

Animals have no ego or self-awareness.

Some higher animals might develop this right now. It is said (and I read it in channeled messages as well as in transcripts by people under hypnosis) that some are able to develop it in relationship to humans. They are maybe (!) also on a path to evolution into higher forms of beings (includes humans).

Animals have no ego or self-awareness.They don't have individual souls, they share being on a soul/astral level (depending on your metaphysical beliefs). Their experience of death is not the same experience that humans go through.

This is maybe still right for most of them, certainly for the 'lower' forms who might have a group/hive mind also in this world. What I don't get is your conclusion from this to the next sentence. What does it mean not the 'same' experience of death? If we consider the physical aspect I am not too sure about this. Just watch some videos (the one I linked before here) of animals suffer in death agony. How can we say we really KNOW they do not really suffer? If this is what you mean I really don't get your message but maybe I misunderstand your post.

[Stillwater]

I also have trouble with that. How are you so certain their experiences are that different from that of humans in every way... especially chordates like mice or iguanas? A bear's body is so similar to ours in almost every way, it seems only natural that they would share a large part of what we experience.

[13thrisingtruths]

you eat meat you are going to get a bug its that easy. deer elk pig if it is meat it carries bugs inside of their meat like mad cow deiease. if i look at my apple i can tell if its bad but your steak is going to look the same. but you say aw il tell if it has it 200 ppl die every year from one strand of it alone and il bet the government wouldnt tell you if it killed more or about super bugs crossing over into wild life. of course they wouldnt tell ya they want you to eat it they want your weapons so if you kill yourself off it will be much easer for them to get them now wont it.LMAO SMH, most hunters bait in deer with corn what gives cows mad cow corn. 
but you ant hearing me you say i ant going to get sick well if you have sex with someone that has aids you might not get sick either but i dont see you out picking up these ppl. AWE 13risingtruths you just pushing it to the extreme. well ant ap obeing and lucid dreaming pushing you to an extreme. doesnt it make you question everyaspect of everything around you? dont you ask why more than most people around you? i know i do and i like to ask why are their bugs that kill us? maybe because we have hurt nature so much nature is going to fight back.   SMH rather be safe than sorry. still love ya though just wish you could love yourself as much as i love you. 13love to everyone i ant mad at ya, do what ya wanna do, but im still going to make ya think and tell you the truth. heck dont ask me go on an obe and call out your spirt guide call out the creator if you can call out somone with the highest of light and ask them. thats who i would ask if i was wondering if it was bad real talk. dont listen to me listen to yourself. 13love
http://www.mad-cow.org/99feb_cwd_special.html

[Bedeekin]

Oh... that's old stuff.

It does make me question everything around me but not to the extreme I climb inside a box too scared to fart.

I have eaten raw meat and licked a cows brain (don't ask.. playground prank) and I'moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Szaxx]

With a lighted candle? BOOM...
LMAO.

[Stookie_]

Some higher animals might develop this right now. It is said (and I read it in channeled messages as well as in transcripts by people under hypnosis) that some are able to develop it in relationship to humans. They are maybe (!) also on a path to evolution into higher forms of beings (includes humans).

This is maybe still right for most of them, certainly for the 'lower' forms who might have a group/hive mind also in this world. What I don't get is your conclusion from this to the next sentence. What does it mean not the 'same' experience of death? If we consider the physical aspect I am not too sure about this. Just watch some videos (the one I linked before here) of animals suffer in death agony. How can we say we really KNOW they do not really suffer? If this is what you mean I really don't get your message but maybe I misunderstand your post.

I'm not saying they don't suffer and I'm not talking just the physical aspect of death, but the entire cycle through all the spheres (everything that comes into the physical suffers and dies, that's a part of it). Life and death for animals is not the same as it is for us. We have a human perception of life and death and try to relate that to animals when that could be very far off from the truth of their cycle and reasons for being. Again, I'm not saying what is right or wrong or trying to legitimize the killing of animals, just saying it's possible for some reasoning on either side of the debate to be based on a biased perception of things.

...and that's why you have to come to your own morals. That's really my main point in this thread.

[Bedeekin]

By the way Stookie... I agreed with you. I was just playing with what you said. It was perfect to misinterpret.

A lot of hunter gatherer tribes use hunting spiritually and for food... also.. the cannibals of the amazon apparently believed they were absorbing the spirit of the person they ate. Isn't it all down to personal beliefs these days?

[Bluefirephoenix]

That contains frightening possibilities. I've seen people that I truely would not want to be absorbing their spirit

[Bedeekin]

You have seen people who you wouldn't eat? That's what I just read isn't it... That contains much more frightening possibilities. Rather funny...

1st Cannibal: I'm not eating him...

2nd Cannibal: why?

1st Cannibal: Don't like the look if him... I would not want to be absorbing their spirit... look at his ears...

2nd Cannibal: Stop playing with your food anyway... and don't eat chicken with your fingers....

1st Cannibal: Hmm?

2nd Cannibal: Don't eat the chicken with your fingers... eat the fingers separately.

sorry.. back on topic

[Stookie_]

Reminds me of Cannibal the Musical, where they're all grossed out over eating a person, but one guy comes back for seconds with a smile on his face.

By the way Stookie... I agreed with you. I was just playing with what you said. It was perfect to misinterpret.

I figured it was lighthearted, but it was also a legitimate argument so I thought I'd address it anyways.

[M4RT1N]

You should watch this video.

http://youtu.be/66roUb1YqNw

watch all of it.