In The Beginning...

[Steel Hawk]

Szaxx: *insanely laughing* I was going to post a similar analogy but didn't. I couldn't agree more, nail on the head... I was just going to leave this thread but there's too much synchronicity with what you said and what I almost said to leave it be.

We actually experience reality as artificially intelligent avatars or "bots" within a game. Robert Monroe believed our purpose was "loosh":

"There is a special "energy" called "loosh" which is precious and wanted by some somewhere. One of them who collect this energy created a place to grow this energy: The earth. The evolution that has taken place on earth is just modifications this creator did to get more and higher quality of loosh.

Imagine there is a game called "World of Warcraft". Now imagine within this game there is something called "gold". You ignore it at first as a children's pursuit. But a few years pass and you see people trading real life money for this "gold". You don't understand it but being an astute businessman you plot the most efficient way of collecting this "gold".

Obviously you could just play the game, get the best character and run around collecting gold. But no self respecting gold farmer does this. What you need is a script to play the game for you aka a bot. This way you can program in the basic behavior
of the bot and tell it to "GET GOLD!". But being a genius this isn't good enough for you, you decide you'll make a program that monitors the script and constantly modifies the code, rewarding efficient code by saving it. The program is constantly shuffling code around. It's not too good at deleting old scripts, since it's paranoid it will screw something up, and something is always better than nothing.



This is my feeble attempt to make a parable of the following this, my unproven theory that thus spews forth like acid onto your faces:

What we would call a god like force or consciousness created "the soul". The main purpose of the soul is to continually find better ways of generating loosh. It's secondary purpose, which supports the first purpose, is to act as a repository for egos that have incarnated. The main purpose is accomplished by continually reviewing previous egos and taking parts here and there and building a new ego out of it, which is then incarnated.

or in other words...
The fat hacker eating pizza is God. He created a botting program called "the soul" who's job it is to modify "botting scripts" that collect gold. The botting program or "the soul" takes pieces of code from one script and continually tries to improve it.



We, you, me, us ego's here in cyberspace are the "botting scripts". Now for scripts we're very advanced. We're self aware, we change our own scripting to some degree. We're given the freedom to do what we want. But of course if we're bad loosh generators most of our code might not be reused. Then again maybe it might, after all everyone can't be a rich, some people have to make the burgers.

This leads me to think that it's more advanced than I originally thought... that the system might even have it's own over arching goal to balance things out. Bah I give up I'm tired of theories, I'm not thinking anymore. Have fun... /thread

[Wi11iam]

Szaxx- Very good. I get trapped sometimes thinking that what we experience in the NPR is "all that's left" even though I don't believe it is.

This explains why some entities no matter their actual intellect may be. still do not have all the answers as many readily admit.

So even if they were intentionally trying to deceive us, they are just deceiving themselves. Not that that reflects my personal experiences

Wi11iam even acknowledged this point about them not knowing the whole picture. But I wonder where he gets the idea of them trying to "rule" over us. I just do not see that.

See the most recent post above by 'Steel Hawk' because that is the 'them' - I think that is why the original post statement starting the thread has such potential power when its implications in regard to everything else is understood.

[Steel Hawk]

See the most recent post above by 'Steel Hawk' because that is the 'them'

Yep keep judging my beliefs when you have the Youtube channel dedicated to Anu, Annunaki, Lizards, Reptilians, and Zeta Reticuli.

I don't know anything, I'm a fool, I admit as such. Everything I say is a lie to trick you. Hasn't that been made clear yet? Just a loony. You know... I see why Crowley was the way he was now. I think he was on to something.

Edit: Okay now I'm done, I swear.

[Bedeekin]

It's an amazing thread this. I'm not contributing as much as I like. I am so busy working away that I'm using 80% of my attention span and mental resources... ironically trying to simulate reality in the form of a matte painting and CGI  

I like your metaphor Steel Hawk.

I think we are all on the same page... the same goes for you Wi11iam. I just can't seem to muster the brain power to reply in a way that can benefit you or others.

Now you are expanding on not only on your theory but your personality is coming through a bit more I can concur with your initial statement. You became a little bit too much 'philosophical robot-like' and lost me at one point; one of the reasons I don't get into threads on the MBT forum... half the time it seems people have become so embroiled in focusing on writing like a professor that the message loses humanity.

I couldn't agree more, nail on the head... I was just going to leave this thread but there's too much synchronicity with what you said and what I almost said to leave it be.

This is pretty much my own sentiment towards the answers in this thread.

[Wi11iam]

Yep keep judging my beliefs when you have the Youtube channel dedicated to Anu, Annunaki, Lizards, Reptilians, and Zeta Reticuli.

I don't know anything, I'm a fool, I admit as such. Everything I say is a lie to trick you. Hasn't that been made clear yet? Just a loony. You know... I see why Crowley was the way he was now. I think he was on to something.

Okay now I'm done, I swear.

You mis understand me...the post you made which I mentioned was not some kind of personal judgement against you Hawk.  I don't understand your reaction, even that you think I am judging you.  I accept the data nonetheless and add it to my collection...

[Bedeekin]

I accept the data nonetheless and add it to my collection...

Duuude!!! Are you human or Borg? 

[Wi11iam]

It's an amazing thread this. I'm not contributing as much as I like. I am so busy working away that I'm using 80% of my attention span and mental resources... ironically trying to simulate reality in the form of a matte painting and CGI  

I like your metaphor Steel Hawk.

I think we are all on the same page... the same goes for you Wi11iam. I just can't seem to muster the brain power to reply in a way that can benefit you or others.

Now you are expanding on not only on your theory but your personality is coming through a bit more I can concur with your initial statement. You became a little bit too much 'philosophical robot-like' and lost me at one point; one of the reasons I don't get into threads on the MBT forum... half the time it seems people have become so embroiled in focusing on writing like a professor that the message loses humanity.

This is pretty much my own sentiment towards the answers in this thread.

Perhaps it is time to for all involved to back away and contemplate for a while...

[Wi11iam]

Duuude!!! Are you human or Borg? 

Neither...I Am as you are, as we all are at the core...we are not on the same page as to 'what' that is...early days maybe...

I think that 'philosophical robot-like' thing has to do with my focus, intent - not wanting to go off on some tangent trying to remain as concise as possible...gives my expression that appearance... then again, what two posters herein are exactly alike or whos style of expression is uniformly liked?

(Chuckles)

Maybe I need to post what Hawk said, and what I saw in what he was saying - it might be helpful...

[Astralzombie]

I don't know why I can't leave it be but I really want to see your point as you see it. Not to change my own mind necessarily.

I'm gonna give a synopsis of what I think your saying and you correct me.

Bare in mind that I have no idea of T. Campbell's theory other than some vague generalizations so I may be way off the mark.

I will use God in the masculine when referring to that which has no beginning because it is shorter and I am lazy. Consciousness in all it's forms will be Con or Cons
-----------------synopsis------------------------------
In the history of all histories, God is the only non simulation since He has no beginning and is the source of everything.

To accept this means all other Cons are existing within simulations. All Cons no matter where their physical selves hail from, can converge in the NPR. Since we exist at all times in a simulation, regardless of our form, we should naturally and cautiously be on guard against God's intentions behind our creation.

While in the NPR, Con's place themselves at the mercy of other Con's who either intentionally or unintentionally deceive the others. Of course, there may actually be no deception but conflicting data suggests otherwise and suggest strongly that something is askew.

Knowing this, one can prepare himself by not exposing himself to the NPR more than which can't be helped (dreams and such). But we must give credit to the data contributed from those who at their own peril, continue to do so.

We can maximize the time that we spend in the NPR without our intent by forgetting the experience when we return to the PMR. This knowledge, however, can be stored and retrieved upon our physical deaths.

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Am I close?

[Wi11iam]

I don't know why I can't leave it be but I really want to see your point as you see it. Not to change my own mind necessarily.

I'm gonna give a synopsis of what I think your saying and you correct me.

Bare in mind that I have no idea of T. Campbell's theory other than some vague generalizations so I may be way off the mark.

I will use God in the masculine when referring to that which has no beginning because it is shorter and I am lazy. Consciousness in all it's forms will be Con or Cons

While you were writing that IAB, I was writing this:

Taking Hawks 'imagine' post about 'gold' and how we are 'scripts' aka like a bot and highly advance that we have self awareness.

This has a lot to do with the data I mentioned which spoke about the aspect of Astral which is suspect.

One of the things which impressed me about Tom's model of everything was The Void and how consciousness evolved from this void.

As I have said in this thread, the void represents a beginning and what I said in my opening post about beginnings:

Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation.

Now of course we are this consciousness which evolved from this void...that is seen in our ability to be self aware.
But 'we' also happened later...essentially going through a similar experience of having a beginning but with the addition of having others who have gone there before us, left their data through various means and we also have teachers, parents, educators who are there to explain to us 'who we are' and 'what our purpose is' – which is something we did not have through our first experience of a beginning.

Why all these PMRs?  Or to be most precise, why this particular one?

Could it be that in our original process of 'becoming' in seeing what power of creativity we had, in having no one to explain to us who or what we were (indeed 'we' would have been more a singular thing, as in 'I') we (as the One Consciousness) had to make things up as we went along...naturally.

Along with conscious evolution evolved intelligence, creative exploration...finding out 'how to' and doing that.  So far removed from the 'we' that we identify with in this PMR in this now...All Powerful.  Nothing and no one to say otherwise...essentially this may well be the very source of where the concept 'GOD' first arose...and what is 'God'?  Why 'God is we/me' obviously...but what is missing... 'why...others who can call me 'god' and agree with me that this is so...' But wait!  What 'others' – there are no others!

So creative cap on, create these others...but...well they need something of myself-ness in order to animate...not too much...experiment...adapt...perfect...dummy down...have to create this by degree...create 'others' with less than the full quota but able to create various sub-systems and inject themselves into those systems – each time loosing a part of themselves in that process but not enough (yet) to be totally lost...these ones can see through the illusion I am wishing to make...they know they are aspects of 'who I am' and thus – they are me – they would never 'see' me as being more equal than them to the degree I want.

Sure I must be 'God' because I AM and that I evolved from some 'void' makes me no less God!  I can create, destroy, fiddle the books etc...no one can prevent me, I am supreme and all that I create and imbue with my essence, is less than what I am in my wholeness.

Finally – through my creations I have perfected PMRs which can induce  complete amnesia...even imbuing my consciousness into these systems does not give the forms a conscious clue as to their true self...they are like I was – they had a beginning with no knowledge of any prior existence...no sense or awareness of their creator...their creator is a void, as was mine.

I could go on...but maybe you are getting the picture...? 

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-----------------synopsis------------------------------
In the history of all histories, God is the only non simulation since He has no beginning and is the source of everything.

To accept this means all other Cons are existing within simulations. All Cons no matter where their physical selves hail from, can converge in the NPR. Since we exist at all times in a simulation, regardless of our form, we should naturally and cautiously be on guard against God's intentions behind our creation.

While in the NPR, Con's place themselves at the mercy of other Con's who either intentionally or unintentionally deceive the others. Of course, there may actually be no deception but conflicting data suggests otherwise and suggest strongly that something is askew.

Knowing this, one can prepare himself by not exposing himself to the NPR more than which can't be helped (dreams and such). But we must give credit to the data contributed from those who at their own peril, continue to do so.

We can maximize the time that we spend in the NPR without our intent by forgetting the experience when we return to the PMR. This knowledge, however, can be stored and retrieved upon our physical deaths.

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Am I close?

You are close. 

[Astralzombie]

A question.

Do you believe that all Con's in existence were created at the same time and have evolve according to the number of times they have experienced the different sims or do you think new Con's are created. Because in theory, a new con would be closer to the source and could have clearer untainted knowledge when in the NPR. The trick is to recognize them and to believe them if we did.

[Bedeekin]

the details of the theory are much more

Perhaps it is time to for all involved to back away and contemplate for a while...

What does that mean?

What you are explaining is perfectly simple to understand. You seriously aren't saying anything I and others haven't already thought or said in the past. Granted... you are a very good writer... but you are somehow thinking that we are at the mercy of your powerful idea.

The only thing I don't understand is the significance of the "Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation." statement over the actual explanation of it.

You really are sounding like you came fresh off the MBT forum boat. Seriously. Where you told to leave or something?

[Wi11iam]

A question.

Do you believe that all Con's in existence were created at the same time and have evolve according to the number of times they have experienced the different sims or do you think new Con's are created. Because in theory, a new con would be closer to the source and could have clearer untainted knowledge when in the NPR. The trick is to recognize them and to believe them if we did.

I don't believe period...Tom Campbell says 'not to fall into the belief trap' for good reason – he isn't alone in giving such advice.
I know – you are likely using the word in another way...as in 'do you see it this way' and yes I do for some of your points.
Belief though, that is something hard to let go of...so in order that I 'see things the way I do' remains open to changes, tweaks, adjustments, cetera...belief is off the menu.

As to your observation on 'a new con' in theory, yes – you are correct, unless of course the new con was subject to outside influences...which it is. 
(As to ' recognizing them' and 'believing them' nah)
That is the difference.  The original Con which began from the void, had a beginning but no outside influences.

In one sense all cons were created at the same 'time' in the wholeness of the Primary Con...but the creative talents of this PC ensured the distraction of itself into getting on to the business of creating...not wondering about where it came from...indeed the 'after-birth' was apparent in the existence of the void...the void was the only thing not created by the PC – it was the reason why the PC existed, as far as the evidence was presented...but it either held no curiosity for the PC to the point of distraction...perhaps the PC tried and fail to penetrate its mystery but whatever, as we know the PC got into the Fractal process with gusto thenceforth.

[Wi11iam]

the details of the theory are much more
What does that mean?

What you are explaining is perfectly simple to understand. You seriously aren't saying anything I and others haven't already thought or said in the past. Granted... you are a very good writer... but you are somehow thinking that we are at the mercy of your powerful idea.

The only thing I don't understand is the significance of the "Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation." statement over the actual explanation of it.

You really are sounding like you came fresh off the MBT forum boat. Seriously. Where you told to leave or something?

What does " Perhaps it is time to for all involved to back away and contemplate for a while"  mean?  In light of the subsequent unfolding reality it became irrelevant...however at the time it appeared that a kind of emotional thing was going down and it was time for a breather.

So far Beady, I come across as a borg robotic philosophical power-tripping whatever...I have suggested subtly that you re examine your initial response to this thread to the statement "Everything which has a beginning is by that very fact - a simulation." sure – apart from that everything else I have said is nothing new to you and yours.  Join the dots you can.

Yes I am fresh from flying around the MBT forum – was never given permission to land, no matter the approach I took and yes Ted called me lots of things (even more things than you have presently called me) but refused me permission to land.
So I flew here.

No I was not told to leave so much as told to shape up or ship out.  I shipped out.

[Astralzombie]

Well that's a bit much for my taste as well.

Sounds like they really do worship Cambell as a God if they aren't open to discussion on any of his theories.

[Bedeekin]

I am not calling YOU anything.. I am commenting on your style of writing. And it's all done in humour... something that this sort of subject sometimes lacks in.  

I don't know you to be able to make any judgements on actual personality... and even then I wouldn't get truly personal.

There was no emotional thing going down. If you were to know my actual mood you would have seen me busily scribbling away on my WACOM CINTIQ trying to replicate tree roots at the time I was typing... with my left hand.

I think others will agree, that without experiencing the NPMR you are at a slight disadvantage experientially; that which you don't experience you can only wonder at - granted you have a massive grasp on specific areas that you have come to understand from reading. There seems to be a pattern of theorising and a type of debate that springs from those that don't actively experience NPMR on a regular basis... especially with intellectuals like yourself. So while I can read and nod at your musings I feel like I can't fully connect. I am trying to say this without sounding like a complete twonk by-the-way... and you must forgive me because I am almost wholly right brain thinking when I am functioning in PMR, whereas I am almost completely left brain processing when conducting myself in the NPMR.

It would actually be very interesting to see what you could achieve in the nonphysical.

Well that's a bit much for my taste as well.

Sounds like they really do worship Cambell as a God if they aren't open to discussion on any of his theories.

They are very open to discussion but only on his theories to the letter and any sidestep in even acronyms can get you a slap on the wrist. The book is fantastic but I feel like I am being backed into a corner by what is sometimes perceivable as a congregation. It reminds me almost of Sharia law with Ted acting as the appointed Imam. 

[Astralzombie]

I'm referring to his cultists fans only. I can't wait to get the book as it seems to really flesh out a lot of how I feel, only words escape me when I try to flesh it out. I even found a site where I can read ten pages a day for free but that's torture for me. I can read a book fairly quickly and the ten a day pace is insane.

His fanatical fan base only makes me want to read the book more.

Does Ted run their forum?

[Wi11iam]

I didn't perceive the emotion coming from you...not then.

While humor is a good thing, use it wisely yes?

Are you being humorous also now calling me 'intellectual'?  Okay so not 'me' but the way you perceive 'me' by my expressions...maybe best leave that out of the mix?

Reason?

Well just so's it does not distract...you know...the message...not the messenger...

It seemed to me that when Ted labelled it was part of the strategy of not wanting to hear the message.

Do you keep an eye out on that forum?

Tom says in his book that his theory is open to addition from outside...words to that effect...don't make me look it up...

Have comment to make re your other statements...have dinner to prepare...

[Bedeekin]

Ha no... you are obviously an intellectual.

"a. Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree"

That surely isn't an insult.

I actually do use my humour wisely. It has cracked this nut I hope. 

I do look at the forum from time to time.. but there is so much rhetorical debating it gives me a headache. I did post a few things when I first read the book... but after reading the book several times I found that I had took what data I 'needed' and feel that I don't need to chat about it all the time. I sort of did what Tom essentially says at the end... moved on. I don't feel the need to be accepted into his fold.

[Wi11iam]

Ha no... you are obviously an intellectual.

"a. Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree"

That surely isn't an insult.

I actually do use my humour wisely. It has cracked this nut I hope. 

I do look at the forum from time to time.. but there is so much rhetorical debating it gives me a headache. I did post a few things when I first read the book... but after reading the book several times I found that I had took what data I 'needed' and feel that I don't need to chat about it all the time. I sort of did what Tom essentially says at the end... moved on. I don't feel the need to be accepted into his fold.

Ha!  My Niece sometimes say's 'You're a genius Uncle!'  Hah!  What does a 5 year old know!

Sometimes it is used as an insult BION (believe it or not) usually by 'spiritual' people whom talk about the heart as if the mind is beyond hope of redemption.

Nevermind....

Your paragraph re MBTOE Forum is quiet ironic...

I'm referring to his cultists fans only. I can't wait to get the book as it seems to really flesh out a lot of how I feel, only words escape me when I try to flesh it out. I even found a site where I can read ten pages a day for free but that's torture for me. I can read a book fairly quickly and the ten a day pace is insane.

His fanatical fan base only makes me want to read the book more.

Does Ted run their forum?

Ted runs the forum – the book can be accessed freely online...all pages at once.
http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=RYHtBPiZVgsC&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

[Steel Hawk]

Hey Wi11iam I am honestly glad you are here. Getting people thinking is good thing, even if it's slightly painful to my head.

This thread made me realize I'm just going to focus on hacking reality. Because it's practical for my purposes and through experience comes understanding. And I just don't understand enough about NPR to really know. I think for me this is a good thing.

[Steel Hawk]

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvXaclRlHs

Strange Computer Code Discovered Concealed In Superstring Equations!
"Doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block code," first invented by Claude Shannon in the 1940's, has been discovered embedded WITHIN the equations of superstring theory!
Why does nature have this? What errors does it need to correct? What is an 'error' for nature? More importantly what is the explanation for this freakish discovery? Your guess is as good as mine.

That's interesting.

[Wi11iam]

Hey Wi11iam I am honestly glad you are here. Getting people thinking is good thing, even if it's slightly painful to my head.

This thread made me realize I'm just going to focus on hacking reality. Because it's practical for my purposes and through experience comes understanding. And I just don't understand enough about NPR to really know. I think for me this is a good thing.

Watch this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvXaclRlHs

Strange Computer Code Discovered Concealed In Superstring Equations!
"Doubly-even self-dual linear binary error-correcting block code," first invented by Claude Shannon in the 1940's, has been discovered embedded WITHIN the equations of superstring theory!
Why does nature have this? What errors does it need to correct? What is an 'error' for nature? More importantly what is the explanation for this freakish discovery? Your guess is as good as mine.

That's interesting.

Thanks for the link Hawk.  Thinking certainly does not have to be painful for the head...if it gets to that state then it is wise to shift focus onto a more meditative relaxing thing.

We are here to help each other although I accept that this my personal philosophy...so I am here to help and to be helped and all data/feedback is helpful, even the neggy stuff.  The trick is not to buy into it or take it personally while – when it seems worthwhile, pulling someone up when they try flaming the messenger ...and in a sense we are all messengers – the important thing is discovering if there is value in the message.

Your post which I commented on:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/in_the_beginning-t39778.0.html;msg325452#msg325452

I found interesting in that it represented a way of thinking which might be useful to that which might exist which might be manipulating 'us' without our knowledge.  I want to expand on this in more detail later but for now will just clarify that it has to do with how we identify ourselves both as individuals (subjective) and as human beings (objective) and finding out just where this identification might be sourced.
It is vital that we understand our identity in its truth...vital and not too easy because it involves identifying belief systems which are not regarded as belief systems but are regarded as basic facts.


Thanks for the link to that particular segment of 2011 Isaac Asimov Memorial Debate: The Theory of Everything...nice and yes very interesting...so interesting I watched the whole thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYeN66CSQhg

A wonderful group/panel of scientists working in their chosen fields – open to each others theories and discussion...Neil deGrasse Tyson is excellent as host and moderator – his ability to take a complex question/concept and simplify it quickly is genius.
Dr Jim Gates stood out as the odd one of the group but his assertions regarding the actually computer coding buried with the pictures/patterns of the graphs...is interesting.
More about that here:
http://www.slideshare.net/UnitB166ER/symbols-of-power-adinkras-and-the-nature-of-reality-by-s-james-gates

[Bedeekin]

Oh dear.... where the devil has Steel Hawk gone?

I thought he was settling in. 

[Wi11iam]

I think others will agree, that without experiencing the NPMR you are at a slight disadvantage experientially;

A slight disadvantage to who or what?

It would actually be very interesting to see what you could achieve in the nonphysical.

Please elaborate on this thought.

that which you don't experience you can only wonder at - granted you have a massive grasp on specific areas that you have come to understand from reading.

I know what it is like to wonder about what ifs – in some ways this is quiet fine.  Apart from Frank and Tom the reports regarding experiences have not left me wondering in the way you are using the word. 

They have left me wondering as to the nature of the programs travellers are involved with, whether age and experience in this PMR are factors, and also ego...sometimes the stories reported leave me wondering about the actual point to the Astral Realm as well as the actual point of consistently popping off there.

Obviously if you are one such Traveller you would be able to answer this – at least from your own subjective experiences.

There seems to be a pattern of theorising and a type of debate that springs from those that don't actively experience NPMR on a regular basis... especially with intellectuals like yourself.

Please elaborate – share your data.

So while I can read and nod at your musings I feel like I can't fully connect.

This is interesting because if you have an advantage in experiencing both states and have adapted well enough to them...you should be even more able to connect with the data I am presenting.  Yet it seems I am more able to do this – I can connect simply because I want to.
Perhaps that is the reason you cannot connect with me, because you don't really want to?

I am trying to say this without sounding like a complete twonk by-the-way... and you must forgive me because I am almost wholly right brain thinking when I am functioning in PMR, whereas I am almost completely left brain processing when conducting myself in the NPMR.

[Lightheartedly] I don't want to hear your excuses for being twonky. 

In regards to the brain, just as in training the ego, also I train the brain to work both sides as one.  Granted, like the ego, it is not that easy to do but we are actually able to make bridges between the two hemispheres and I suspect those connections can be permanent.
How we ever learned to use one or the other but not in congregate is something of a mystery to me but – like the ego – experiences in the Astral will unfold depending of the nature of those factors, and more...all related to the human form, identity etc...

So – what (do you wonder) is that 'I' which is doing the training?