From Prison to Paradise.

[Wi11iam]

From Prison to Paradise.

The focus should be on the solution to the world's problems.

Are we Human Beings able to build a paradise on Earth?

What are the obstacles to achieving this?

How can these obstacles be addressed and hypothetical workable alternatives created and made real?

Ask yourself this. In relation to the world you live in, are you part of the problem or part of the solution?

What are the major problems of the world today?

We are building and refining systems which are traceable to ancient times.  These systems have been handed down from generation to generation and taught to us as something which is worthwhile investing our lives into and they are showing themselves to be inadequate to our fast changing world and in need of serious overhaul or even to be abandoned in favour of a new system.

We have put men on the moon.  There is no reason why we cannot make a paradise of the world, rather than the prison is has been for many and is becoming for more.

Is it possible to create a hypothetical workable system which is based on equality and true freedom for everyone?

I think that it is.

I think that the collective human potential to move forward and to succeed through wisdom and foresight and create on this planet something every person can be proud to be a part of and think of as worthy of giving ones life time to without hesitation and with genuine commitment and unreserved trust that the outcome can only be good for one and for all.

Since ancient times we have been told that we have to earn the right to life – to the things that help sustain life.

Food.

Clothing.

Shelter.

Health.

In times when such things were a matter of survival and our tools were limited, we had no choice but to cooperate with whatever system was in place, and regardless of the overseeing power or where they got their authority from or claimed to get their authority from or how they chose to treat those they ruled, we had to put up with it or die.

Those systems are still in place and in today's world are more efficient and effective in terms of maintaining control and directing human beings wherever the directives wished.

Yet the systems are proving to be useless for anything other than suppression and control.  We are prisoners on our own planet and we are losing.

We have been led down the garden path and fed on false promises and our selfish side has agreed to this and most of us in some way use others to our advantage and consider this smart and acceptable practice, even sanctioned by nature itself.

We tell ourselves that this is how evolution works, or this is how some god concept wants it to be.  We tell ourselves this because we have been taught to believe it and if some are disadvantaged by our choices and are not intelligent enough to see, then that is their problem.

That is their lot in life.

They lose.

That is how things are done in prison.

But we are all in this together and we will either make it here or we will fail.  We are not going anywhere 'out there' any time soon.
This is the place and we can continue building our prison – securing it for our children's future, just as our parents have done with their choices, or we can say enough already, time for a complete change and get about making it so.

We can think about building paradise instead and find a way to make it a reality.

[Lionheart]

 Wi11iam, your heart is in the right place! 
Unfortunately this takes effort. I talk to people everyday, but they are wayyyyyyyyyyy too consumed in their own lives to care about other people's. I always hear the reply "I am too busy". This is where the real problem lies. If we ever had a shutdown of the entire electrical system and people had nothing but free time on their hands, then and only then could I say that this might work. But, we can always plant the seed and hope it grows. I have been trying to plant that seed all my life, but have seen only small signs of growth. Just when I see a little progress, something happens to destroy what little we have accomplished.

[Bedeekin]

I imagine it will take a breakdown in society to cause enough of a shock for people to start to take notice of these issues.

Not a war... because war means sides and bitterness in the long run.

a natural disaster of some sort... one that cuts the population down and shakes up the way of modern life.

Then a phoenix shall rise from the ashes...

Ok... I sound a bit like a bond baddie or a supervillian... but I think the way things are, selfishness rules and the world is ran by buffoons.

[Xanth]

I agree completely with Lionheart, your heart is definitely in the right place.

The focus should be on the solution to the world’s problems.

The problem is that you can't directly change the world.  It's just not possible... many have tried, all have failed.
As I've said before, there is only one conclusion: you can only change yourself... and once you come that conclusion and begin the journey, you'll love what happens.

Look at the people who have made that decision...
Ghandi...
Mother Teresa...
Buddha...
etc...

They didn't try to change the world.  They changed themselves and made the world a better place because of it.

Is it possible to create a hypothetical workable system which is based on equality and true freedom for everyone?

Is it possible?  Sure... anything's possible.

But let's be honest, there will always be people on this planet who will happily take advantage of someone else for their own gain. 
So such a system wouldn't work on this planet... at least not in this day and age, for now.

I imagine it will take a breakdown in society to cause enough of a shock for people to start to take notice of these issues.

Not a war... because war means sides and bitterness in the long run.

a natural disaster of some sort... one that cuts the population down and shakes up the way of modern life. 

Then a phoenix shall rise from the ashes...

Ok... I sound a bit like a bond baddie or a supervillian... but I think the way things are, selfishness rules and the world is ran by buffoons.

I'm actually a firm believer of this as well, Bedeekin.

That billions of people will have to die first in order for humanity to wake up from this slumber we seem to be in.

This would be the "short cut" to spiritual awakening for humanity, and it obviously comes with a huge price.  
Otherwise, it's going to be a long and arduous journey while each individual finds spirituality within themselves.

[Wi11iam]

Wi11iam, your heart is in the right place! 
Unfortunately this takes effort. I talk to people everyday, but they are wayyyyyyyyyyy too consumed in their own lives to care about other people's. I always hear the reply "I am too busy". This is where the real problem lies. If we ever had a shutdown of the entire electrical system and people had nothing but free time on their hands, then and only then could I say that this might work. But, we can always plant the seed and hope it grows. I have been trying to plant that seed all my life, but have seen only small signs of growth. Just when I see a little progress, something happens to destroy what little we have accomplished.

I imagine it will take a breakdown in society to cause enough of a shock for people to start to take notice of these issues.

Not a war... because war means sides and bitterness in the long run.

a natural disaster of some sort... one that cuts the population down and shakes up the way of modern life.

Then a phoenix shall rise from the ashes...

Ok... I sound a bit like a bond baddie or a supervillian... but I think the way things are, selfishness rules and the world is ran by buffoons.

I agree completely with Lionheart, your heart is definitely in the right place.
The problem is that you can't directly change the world.  It's just not possible... many have tried, all have failed.
As I've said before, there is only one conclusion: you can only change yourself... and once you come that conclusion and begin the journey, you'll love what happens.

Look at the people who have made that decision...
Ghandi...
Mother Teresa...
Buddha...
etc...

They didn't try to change the world.  They changed themselves and made the world a better place because of it.
Is it possible?  Sure... anything's possible.

But let's be honest, there will always be people on this planet who will happily take advantage of someone else for their own gain. 
So such a system wouldn't work on this planet... at least not in this day and age, for now.
I'm actually a firm believer of this as well, Bedeekin.

That billions of people will have to die first in order for humanity to wake up from this slumber we seem to be in.

This would be the "short cut" to spiritual awakening for humanity, and it obviously comes with a huge price. 
Otherwise, it's going to be a long and arduous journey while each individual finds spirituality within themselves.

Hey guys and thank you for your replies.

As you might suspect, I am posting the OP into other forums for feedback and to start the momentum.
I can say right away that your concerns and points of view are similar to others in regard to the 'impossibility' of this but as I continue sharing the outlines of the plan people are beginning to warm to it.

So – hoping that you won't mind I would like to post those things to help you better appreciate where I am coming from with this.

I will say however that this is not about one person.  You are correct absolutely that it would not be possible.
Indeed it will take the majority of people to make this thing a reality.

Those individuals mentioned... Ghandi...Mother Teresa...Buddha... hey there are even a few left off that list – but whatever!  The fact of the matter is that while they were individuals, what they had to say and what they did as individuals had profound effects on the way our species has evolved (at least I think so) and I sincerely doubt we would even be discussing this if that were not the case – indeed I sincerely doubt there would even be such a thing as the internet!

But anyway, I will post another couple of things to help clarify where I am coming from and I thank you all for your patience and feedback.

Sincerely.

[Wi11iam]

The idea is to create a hypothetical workable plan – put it through the critical thinking wringer as it grows and adjust accordingly.

It is a huge task which will require the input of many individuals and it come from the bottom layer of the hierarchal pile – namely us peons.

The illusion is that the power is in the hands of the prison administrators – governments etc and this pattern repeats itself through the layers of society down to the local government and admin.

The media often refers to 'Government' as if this was a separate entity from 'the people' which as you point out, has become the understanding.
So when – for example – we hear the expression "The Government will get such and such" we don't think of us the people.

Now we know of the various conflicts happening in the Middle East where dictatorships are being challenged by the people and the people are demanding democracy as a better alternative, and we can agree that compared to what they have, it is a better alternative.

However it is not the best alternative.  There is still gross inequality, and great dysfunction. 

I remember when the 'Occupy' events were news.  I remember seeing a smug wall street suit ask some of the protesters "what do you want" and various replies were forthcoming.  The suit replied "So what is your plan – show me your plan."  There was silence to this request.

The simple reason for this is that we don't have a plan – we want action, we want change and we expect the big guns to come up with something which is fair and just?

So – we need a plan which cannot deny us as democracy... 'We The People'

So on that subject, it is necessary to approach such a task with the assumption that there is no conspiracy and work it from that angle – keep conspiracy out of the equation.

What we need at the end of this process is something which is foolproof as a model – in other words it can be seen as a workable alternative where no one is disadvantaged and it needs to be simple enough for the average person to understand.

When this is achieved then the internet can come into play as a medium for speeding the process of getting it out there – but that comes later on – we know that things can go viral so such a plan needs to have this in mind because it needs to be something which grabs the attention and support of as many as possible, the advantage being that most people are in the 'disadvantaged' category, even by their own estimate.

Before this can happen, the plan must grow enough and be circulated within forums, blogs and other such mediums in order for it to be added to, critiqued and supported by as many as possible.

It has to exclude 'dreaminess' – this is where critical thinking will come into play – the plan needs to be neutral in regard to any belief systems and pass the most sceptical analysis.

While the plan must envision the whole world, it must start within the context of the so-called free world of democracy which is to say that any such plan at the point of induction has to come from the free world and spread out as it will into the less democratic countries.

I have plenty of ideas which I think can work.  Any concerns or criticisms can be addressed as they come, but those criticisms must also come from a place of non-conspiracy related foundations.

This is to say – anything not proven as an actuality in regard to free world government agenda cannot be used to argue against any such plan being realised.

Thoughts?

[Wi11iam]

I know this is a lot of information to take in - and it appears to be like 'spamming' but after this post you will be up to speed with what I have offered to other forums as part of the underlying 'how to' ideas I am formulating.
Once again - thanks for your indulgence.




What do I mean when I say 'Paradise'?

Really I am using the word to denote the stark differences between the experience we are collectively engaged within and building, which is prison like in its reality, and an alternative that we could build.

The significant thing to realise is that we are all taught – one way or another – a particular curriculum which has involved the same process for a very long time.
Those with aptitude and intelligence can apply themselves within the focus of their chosen or desired career and are seen to be the most useful in terms of place and position within the prison systems.

Those who are obviously less functional, less intelligent are relegated roles of the more menial and less variant.  They are considered to be less important to the whole, as can be seen in the income they receive for the services they render.

While this is a natural outcome of the particular path of our species evolution, it is non workable in terms of reality in today's day and age – in where we are heading as a species simply because equality is measured differently and the prevailing attitude is that not all humans are equal, based on false premises which are believed to be true, as they are educated into us and become a part of who we think we are, which serve the systems that control the societies in the direction the most intelligent members of those societies wish it to proceed.

The less intelligent members simply go along, trusting in the more intelligent to deliver on their promises.

When delivery does not happen, often this is meet with mobs protesting and this also escalates into riot depending on the objectives of the ones leading the protests, as well as those who infiltrate such protests for the specific agenda of starting trouble.

In most cases protest does not work.

Successive generations of lower class individuals built the infrastructure of all these physical systems – they literally built these 'prisons' they occupy which were designed by the engineers and scientists, administered by the politics and encouraged to continue with 'the good work' by the religions.

So why not ask ourselves...if we are building infrastructures in which we as a society can live in, why not build them another way?

What do I mean by this?

I mean, we need to change the way we think and behave.  We need to look at where our thinking and behaving is leading us, and our offspring.  WE are building a prison for our children and grandchildren because we have not thought about what it is we are doing, what it is we are trusting in and allowing to persuade us that not only is this the best way to do things, but it is the only way.  It is the way of human nature.

We can change that nature because it is not hardwired into our very DNA – it is simply something which we have been educated into thinking and observing the way our predecessors did things, we do the same.

We need not argue or even judge that our predecessors got it wrong or are responsible for the state we find ourselves in.  Such thinking will not change that state – we need to be able to simply understand that they knew no better and were not faced with the same immediate issues as we now rapidly have to acknowledge.

In acknowledging and forgiving them their mistakes we can turn away from being taught by the past and set our attention on the future – a future which we can create – one in which we can imagine and learn from.

Our biggest problem is money.  It is simply not necessary.  We have allowed it to dictate the terms and conditions of being human.

See the reality.  We are upon a planet which provides everything we could possibly need as a species in order to survive and to prosper yet we charge ourselves – each other - the right to life.

There is no sanity in such a concept yet here we are repeating the processes generation after generation until it has become the standard.

There have been various ways in which these systems have been empowered, often through brutal measures.  That is our history.

Here in today's busy world of consumerism we are caught up in the excitement of it all and are not thinking about the future – we are content to reap the immediate rewards of the artificial paradise of our situation, and excuse ourselves by saying that the human race is doomed anyway, so what the hey!

We need to get wise.

The so-called free world has the opportunity and even to some extent the understanding of the philosophy of giving.  We need to start giving – not to other countries in need of obvious assistance – we have done and still do this but it isn't working very well because we are forgetting to give to ourselves.  We are charging ourselves.

We need to understand that the right to ownership of earth and resource does not belong to individuals or corporations – it belongs to every humans being as a matter of right.
If we can focus on this and use it to re-think our situation, we will have the greatest of chances to pull ourselves away from the brink of disaster, and in doing so – example to the rest of the world how they to can lift themselves up, ditch the handed down formative educated beliefs and enjoin with the sapience of the new human system devoid of the old way of thinking and acting.

We of the free world have excess.  We need to give from this excess to ourselves.

Instead of money for service, we exchange that philosophy for a new one.  We teach ourselves and our offspring that our lives belong to this ideal.  In return for food clothing shelter and health, we give the energy of our lives to nurturing and building upon that which will naturally outflow from this philosophy – from this new way of thinking.

Thoughts?

[Bedeekin]

This idea puts me in mind of John Titor.

He claimed to be a time traveller from 2036.

In his time a civil war had transpired and caused america to breakdown and then rebuild through mutual beneficial means... no money etc. Using exchange of goods and expertise as currency. It's a stab in the dark but your idea and the outcome of a paradise reminds me of this.

http://www.johntitor.com/

That is the link to the website.

However you process or take his information it makes for an interesting read and may give you some ideas.

[Wi11iam]

Seriously this really is nothing new, as far as ideas go.  30 years ago sitting on a roof in a neighborhood I started to imagine what it would be like if fences between houses didn't exist.
Then I started to think about why there were fences in the first place...if you keep on thinking about things like that you start to formulate ideas...

[Made O pHI]

a natural disaster of some sort... one that cuts the population down and shakes up the way of modern life.

I agree. If that natural disaster just so happened to take California off the map, I wouldn't be surprised.

As I've said before, there is only one conclusion: you can only change yourself... and once you come that conclusion and begin the journey, you'll love what happens.

Exactly what I was going to say. First work on perfecting ourselves and I think the perfection of the world will soon follow

[Lionheart]

The less intelligent members simply go along, trusting in the more intelligent to deliver on their promises.

This is what is happening now and you can see how far it's getting us! 
I am a optimist, not a pessimist, but if your plan started to show signs of success, it would immediately be shut down. Unfortunately this is the truth!

[Wi11iam]

This is what is happening now and you can see how far it's getting us! 
I am a optimist, not a pessimist, but if your plan started to show signs of success, it would immediately be shut down. Unfortunately this is the truth!

Actually no LionHeart it is not 'the truth' for the simple reason it has never been attempted.
This plan is in its very first phase and may not get any further which won't prove conspiracy it will only prove apathy and lack of wisdom and love and understanding of the bigger picture and that the people are the ones who don't want it any other way it will be shut down by the people, not by some as yet unproven conspiracy agenda in high untouchable places.

That is the truth.

I was quiet surprised at your post.  The reason less intelligent people are going along with and trusting the more intelligent has to do with politics and this is the reason I am suggesting a plan of action which can by-pass politics and appeal directly to the people – no matter what level their intelligence is at.  That is why such a plan has to be able to withstand intelligent critique and also be understandable to the average individual.

I appeal to both your optimistic nature as well as to your avatar – knowing that 'Lion+Heart' are synonymous with courage and conviction – for you to support such a plan and start thinking in terms of how to contribute that optimism into this initial stage of development.

[Lionheart]

 PLEASE, prove me wrong Wi11iam. You aren't the first person to come up with this concept and I don't think you will be the last either. I see "visionaries" all the time, I am one myself, but no matter what they start, it always seems to just "peter" out. I believe as so many others have said here that it begins with a personal journey, by changing ourselves first, we are changing the World.
So PLEASE, take this as a personal challenge and prove me wrong!

[Xanth]

Because the only truth is that you can't change the world... the only power you have is to change yourself. 

[Wi11iam]

PLEASE, prove me wrong Wi11iam. You aren't the first person to come up with this concept and I don't think you will be the last either. I see "visionaries" all the time, I am one myself, but no matter what they start, it always seems to just "peter" out. I believe as so many others have said here that it begins with a personal journey, by changing ourselves first, we are changing the World.
So PLEASE, take this as a personal challenge and prove me wrong!

This plan is in its very first phase and may not get any further which won't prove conspiracy it will only prove apathy and lack of wisdom and love and understanding of the bigger picture and that the people are the ones who don't want it any other way it will be shut down by the people, not by some as yet unproven conspiracy agenda in high untouchable places.

That is the truth.

Are you suggesting that if I 'changed myself' then I would not be interested in supporting such a plan Lionheart?  It sounds like this is what you are saying...that 'spiritual people' know better than to be visionary.

It sounds like this is what you are saying, but it doesn't compute with me.  There are any number of spiritual sites and related visionary philosophies in the world and on the internet - a great percentage of these claiming to be here on this planet at this time for the purpose of helping the process of change for the better and they show themselves by resisting and withholding support when the offer to do so is made.

They may have a different idea to what this signifies, and as I have mentioned, some of their claims are questionable and seem more suited to the agenda of lining the pockets of the main protagonists of the particular beliefs being sold to the gullible and easily led than actually helping humanity.

Hey – if all I learn from this process is that no one, or not enough people are interested in supporting such an idea – then regardless of whether they call themselves spiritual or not – I need not follow after them and their own versions of 'what is truth'

In the present – I continue on the path I am on, as best I can.



So to be the change you want to see in the world has to do with 'putting your money where your mouth is' as the saying goes. 
Spiritual people are not exempt from this process of expectation.  If we do not work together for this world, why are we here?  If we are here to better our self, does this not naturally spill over into the world we live in, even as a sign that it is truthful...that we have indeed changed ourselves?

[Lionheart]

Are you suggesting that if I 'changed myself' then I would not be interested in supporting such a plan Lionheart?  It sounds like this is what you are saying...that 'spiritual people' know better than to be visionary.
It sounds like this is what you are saying, but it doesn't compute with me.  There are any number of spiritual sites and related visionary philosophies in the world and on the internet - a great percentage of these claiming to be here on this planet at this time for the purpose of helping the process of change for the better and they show themselves by resisting and withholding support when the offer to do so is made.

Wow, we must be on entirely different wave lengths here. I am saying change begins with you, not just you. It means that when we change, we then see the World in a different way. We also see that this existence is about "free will" and that people learn their life's lessons at different times. We also learn not to judge other people for what "we" may think they are doing wrong according to our beliefs. This means that we are always there to help another person when they ask for help. That we are there to teach someone when they are ready to be taught or pick them up when they have fallen.
Spiritual people are already visionaries. They are always willing to give their fellow man/woman a hand to make this World a better place to be, with the hope/knowing that love begets love. That's the vision, "pay it forward"!  

[LightBeam]

Unfortunately human nature has few negative characteristics that keeps our world from progressing. Why do you think there was a need for government or laws in the first place? Because our instincts of survival puts us in competition with one another, instead of uniting together. "The people" are just like the government, they only haven't shown their true nature because they are not put in a situation of power and money. It is proven that people change, when they are given the authority to rule. To me, it isn't a change, it is just those characteristics coming to surface, under certain circumstances. Of course there are those who's moral values, spiritual development and selfless nature dominate, however, at the moment they are outnumbered and their efforts can produce results only on a small scale. Power and money dictate the decisions our government makes, but even if they are to be replaced, their places will be taken by humans, and once they taste the power, they will no longer be interested to serve the masses.

This world needs to take its natural course and continue serving a s a learning ground for spirits of all levels of development. That's right, ALL levels. That's why in places like our realm, there are many conflicts and lack of unified goal. We need realities like this one to learn. They are only temporary and do not threaten our eternal home. If the physical reality was perfect, there wouldn't have been a need of it to exist in the first place. We already reside in a perfect world. Only parts of our spirits enter for a short time here to learn a lesson or two. Don't stress too much about the faith of our planet and its people. It is not critical for our overall immortal existence.
I am not saying that we should not make efforts for positive changes. On the contrary. In fact this is a sign of one's reaching higher development levels. But we must realize that this world is a home also for those who are just starting. We can't expect them to pass their test without taking their classes first. They need teachers, and that's why those who are more advanced, guide them along the way, most of the time not even being aware of it. Do teachers think that students in first grade are unintelligent because they don't know how to read well yet? No. And so we shouldn't judge those who have set ways to learn, different than our own. And don't forget that in another life, your places may have been switched. 

I myself often during meditation imagine that our planet is a small crystal ball and I am holding it in my hands. With all my strength, I send the most loving and comforting energy to the entire world and especially to those who are experiencing pain and suffering. I hope my energy reaches some of them. I hope my energy helps the world as a whole to become a better place. I teach those who need my help and accept it. But I am aware that if we obsess and try to force the natural ways of this world to take a different direction, this may annihilate the purpose of its creation in the first place.

[Xanth]

In the end it comes down to why you think we're here experiencing this reality.
If you can successfully grow spiritually in the environment of the state of this reality... I think you've then done pretty good.

Remember, we're all *one* anyway... meaning the best way to help everyone isn't to view us as separate entities.