Is my soul still alright? Big Problem!!!

[who-am-i]

For many reasons and a long story of torture, somebody took over my body and actions at some point. It was the persons smell in the chest, accompanied by vibrations and heat, traveling from the chest to the head and the other way around.

I landed at a spiritual healers place. I was on a lounger, one woman held my feet, the other touched my head with both hands. They lead me verbally through grassland, a brigde, to a spring. Than one asked if i want to give all my lifes away, negative influences from other lifes. My heart, that i couldn´t hear for so long, said no, but i was so much in fear that i replied yes. Something exitet my nose with a hiss, that the woman breathed in at the side of my head. Immedietly i was unconciosness for some minutes. After i awoke i was myself again.

But now the problems changed. People started looking at my chest and then fastly to somebodies else chest or eyes. Also they try looking me in the eyes, doing the same afterwards. Sometimes stranger people outside ask me for the time or anything, even grab me, for having a look into my eyes, then looking fastly away at somebody else. Afterwards some grin at me. They also caugh, sneeze and itch around me all the time, look at the clock... The woman sometimes point at my stomach, that gives me immediately a erection with a following ejaculation. Also my body odor disappeared for months. It is already back now. Often the white in their eyes gets red, sometimes yellow, while they are doing that at night. One time a 18 year old guy was looking me in the eyes, with his reddish eyes. I lost every little bit of my will and signed telephone contracts for him, he selling the phones, i having big problems.

The caughing and sneezing is getting less and less. I have changed places, am hundreds of kilometers away from the person that took me over once.
But after months the smell of that person is coming back sometimes.

I don´t except any help. I just ask if this is just a show for the messed up ego i have? Is the soul still alright?

Please answer with not holding back.

[NoY]

i did not understand any of that 

:NoY:

[Xanth]

Yup, I'm kinda with Noy... sorry who, but I haven't a clue what you're talking about.

[mon9999]

you probably have a beautiful chest

[desert-rat]

My thought are either you are on drugs or have a mental problem .  On your eyes changing color and an edjectulation when a women pointed at your stomach , that is a bit strange. I dont think a demon would do that . On the phone contracts , tell them it was some one else that sined them not you , dont pay them . You might want to see a doctor , a m.d. or shrink .  desert rat 

[silwer]

I think who-am-i is trying to say he/she was possessed and that whatever it was is coming back.... or something...

[desert-rat]

My first thought was of demon possession , but this is worded so strange it makes no scence .  Maby if some one was possessed by a demon one would make a post like this , I dont know .  If Who am I makes a follow up post we might get a better idea of what is wrong with them .  It is also possable that some one is just having some fun by making a silly post .  desert rat 

[who-am-i]

My first thought was of demon possession , but this is worded so strange it makes no scence .  Maby if some one was possessed by a demon one would make a post like this , I dont know .  If Who am I makes a follow up post we might get a better idea of what is wrong with them .  It is also possable that some one is just having some fun by making a silly post .  desert rat 

It is no joke. If you don´t understand something: Just ask!

[desert-rat]

If you think that you have been possessed by a being or demon of some kind , your best bet would be to contact some one that does exorcisms .  Other wise what kind of help or advice would you like form this forum ?  desert rat
p.s.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exorcism  , scroll down its the third word from the bottom http://www.aznewage.com/dictionary_e.htm   

[Xanth]

It is no joke. If you don´t understand something: Just ask!

We did. 

[who-am-i]

We did. 

Well if you don´t understand any of that, than you propably have no answers.

[Lionheart]

 I'm sorry, I'm completely lost here. What do you wish us to do? Do you want us to say you are possessed, run and hide? Desert-rat brought up a possibility. The others here, as am I, are confused about what your problem really is and what you are trying to say. It sounds to me like you are listening to bad advice from your Spiritual Healers or watching too many horror flicks. I hope you didn't pay them! Someone has fed you a bunch of fear based jargon.   

[Steel Hawk]

First guess would be your in africa or the middle east and you were hit with voodoo. Second guess is you're a schizophrenic paranoid delusional, seriously your lack of coherent mental thought is something I've seen in others that have this. In any case you don't have enough knowledge to provide anyone with an idea on how to help you. Best bet is to pray to whatever your childhood religion was, reinforce your psyche.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
As english seems not your language. Write again your post as another watching you.
We will see more this way.

[Xanth]

Well if you don´t understand any of that, than you propably have no answers.

So then you're not really looking for any answers?

We've asked you politely to clarify what your question was... nobody can help you until we understand what it is you're trying to say. 

[who-am-i]

The question is if only the ego is messed up, and the soul alright, or if any kind of energies are acting, anything is happening with the soul?

[Steel Hawk]

You remind me of this guy that emailed me back in the day:

Hello,,

My full name is (snip). DOB is 2nd Sep 19(snip). Rawalpindi, Pakistan. Time 3:30 AM.

(snip)

I've been a victim of sorcery for the last 8 years. My enemy sends evil spirits (demons). I am possessed since 9 Feb 2010 and again a more powerful "FIRE LIKE" attack occurred on August 10, 2010. The attachment is not going away. It happened in March 2007 (near death experience) and Feb 2008 as well and I I fought it with Holy verses. An evil thing lifted off my chest and started flying in my room for 20 seconds and went away telling me it will come back. It looked like something sitting on broom stick.

I see crows, strange voices, dark black shadow in my vision, suffocation, black cats, dogs, it doesn't let me sleep whole night. tingling and burning all over body, feeling needles on heart and like heart failure, something heavy sitting on my chest (like 100 people). Cannot walk more than 100 yards due to heaviness. My finances blocked, business ruined, got divorce.

In my research, all attacks were on DARK MOON (or Balsamic moon) nights and on TUESDAYS.

Some history:- I liked a girl in my family and waited 10 years to marry her but her father always turned down the proposal. When I got engaged to another girl in July 2003 I started suffering immediately. My marriage took place on 3rd April, 2005 and by that time I had lost significant amount of money in business. My newly wed wife was so cold in bed and we started fighting each other soon after marriage. I felt as if passer-by peoples changed faces and shouted on us (all delusions and result of witchcraft). My wife took divorce from me in Jan 2006 and started living separately (divorce finalized by court in August 2007). I had a two year engagement before getting married and never once we fought till wedding.

Now, i feel both girls are after me. They are keeping the evil inside me and controlling to torture. The doctors suggested taking Dulexotine for sleep and Risperidal also. But I avoid drugs. Only take when I cannot bear.

Can you help me and give remedies for removal?

Thanks,

(snip)

[Steel Hawk]

Here's the thing... I really doubt there's more than a hundred people in the world that are able to transfer their consciousness to another person and take their body over. If you're on the bad end of this process then there's no hope for you except to pray to a higher power. If English is your first language then you are most definitely suffering from a mental illness. If it's not then you're superstitious and have no idea what you're talking about or your experience is valid and you're panicking. I doubt you'll find whatever answer you seek here or anywhere else. Even the Dali Lama has said that those who practice this are rare if any still exist anymore. If they do still exist they're not telling the general public.

Your etheric body can be regenerated but you're not near the level that could affect it. Your soul is indestructible, but your ego and etheric body isn't. If you are really being attacked then you're screwed. Sorry.

[desert-rat]

To Who am I , you might state what part of the world you are in and what your belief system is .  I believe we are made up of 4 bodies phy. , astral , energy , and mental or higher self . The ego is more a part of the psyche .   If you are thinking that some stoled your soul and gave it to the devil , I dont think it works that way .  On being remotely influnced , or controled by telepathy , hear is a link to a post on Pavlina.  http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/psychic-paranormal/53476-abuse-telepathy-channel.html   I still dont know if this was real or a kind of paranoia  on the part of the poster .  desert rat 

[Xanth]

The question is if only the ego is messed up, and the soul alright, or if any kind of energies are acting, anything is happening with the soul?

What do you think?

[who-am-i]

@desert-rat
I´m from Germany. The main religions are christian and muslim. Beside those two all sorts of other believs and uses of spirituality are around: Voodoo, Wica, Satanism, Hinduism, Buddhism......

I don´t believe in any specific religion. After having some exchange with people from certain religions and reading about these, it came clear that generally they have some things in common.

The thread on the Pavlina page was interesting. I haven´t read it all, but enough to understand: In the end no solution was found for the affectet person.

@steelhawk
I haven´t explained my experiences in enough detail, so there is too much room for interpretation and misunderstanding. So i hoped the hints, in my first post, are enough to get somebody that understands into helping me. This is not the first time these experiences were discussed in a forum, or personally with somebody. Actually, the whole thing is going on for four three years already. Because no real solution resulted out of the doings of me and others, i am kind of demotivated to write it down again in all detail. Also this is a very big forum, so the possibility of finding someone could be higher.

Many things happened: It all started in the end of 2008, with Wicca people, Satanic people, Muslims in basements, secret "jewish" & gypsy parties, a big "christian" mega church, smaller christian communities, some spiritual medium people..... while these were the main people i was around, also some Hindus and others came into play. 28 years, since i was born nothing, then boom, all sorts of people were interested in me. Muslims aproaching me at a playground, christians coming from nowhere, talking me into something, Satanic people offering me loads of woman, a Hindu priest at a temple offering me enlightment and marriage with a hindu woman, me not beeing welcomend there anymore after refusing........... the satanic people not wanting me anymore, after refusing the offerings, the christian mega church people beeing angry at me, after refusing, the muslims wanting me to get muslim, having the most important muslims from the whole state in a basement with me, "i should say this and do that... bla...bla, not common... special", but i refused. At the end, when things started to get really heavy, a jewish rabby in a messianic community said "it´s better to be a servant, than a slave", his smell coming to my nose, entering it, throwing out the moron-moron relative that took some percentige over in my will, but me running away, the next time the jewish messianic community (there are also non-jews, it´s again too long of a story to explain) there clearly stating i am not welcomened anymore....

One more time this is mentioned: I was approached, outside on the street as an excample, invited and/or taken to these places. The thing is, i always have had this weird feeling with all of them. So i said no. Some were getting really angry. So many stories, no energy left at all to tell you guys and girls in this forum. Sorry.

At some point there was this ritual i explained already. Than things really started to get weird!

Before anybody asks why i even came with them. Something personal and dramatic happenened in the end of 2008. Then all this started.

If i am not near the level were my esoteric body could be affected, how do you and i know the level it could be affected? What is a etheric body good for in life and beyond? What is actually affected with woman pointing at me with the finger, that having energetic effects inside me, people sending manipulative energy through the eyes, to my chest or head, often also looking fastly away from my eyes and chest to somebody else, lauging at times "he is not even aware of it hahaha*"? What is happening here? How do i stop it? Happyness, joy as a counterweight to fear and terror?

How do i get rid of these influences? Or is there a way to get activated, to see and to know, and not to walk dumb on this planet anymore?

[desert-rat]

On the different groups , they all have there own belief systems and if you dont go along with it they will get mad . All relgions brain wash its members to some extent .     When they had you lay down , it sounded like a kind of guided visualization , you can bring up repressed memories using this , past or future lives, ect. .  The lady that pointed at you was directing energy at you , some people can do this.  On the etheric body , I think its the energy body .  An exercise to work with it is the circultion of white light or the middle pillar . There are many methods , this is one http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/psychic-paranormal/68328-circulation-white-light.html     desert rat 

[Steel Hawk]

who-am-i,

You need a certain calmness of mind to do energy work, as well as patience to experience long term results. I think I misjudged you and I am sorry for that. This sort of stuff attracts true seekers, as well as unstable people. By being at a certain level I meant to say you needed a certain state of mind, most people are too caught up in day to day life to actually dedicate time in their own spiritual development.

Thank you for trying to put together the best explanation you can. There are many different views when it comes to this, so I can only give you what I've experienced and learned from others. I can't say it's an absolute truth, just something that works for me.

The Church of Satan teaches magick officially as part of their religion^[1], but that's mainly a United States thing. In Europe you have other scattered groups, but I'd imagine some of them might actually be legitimate occultists. The other religions you mentioned all have small esoteric factions, so what you say is possible. All in all there aren't many trained Wizards and Witches that you have to worry about. Far more common is the natural psychic who doesn't always know their own power. I'm not initiated into any authentic jewish mysticism groups, as most of traditional ones require you to be at least 40 years old and jewish^[2].

There are legends of mystic jews creating golems, you can view a modern form of this this ritual here. I've never heard of jewish groups knowing or invoking any possession ritual, so if it is done it's a well guarded secret or perhaps you encountered a false prophet of the jewish faith.

You have to realize that this stuff is very rare, the chances of you being targeted without being in the occult community are one in a million. Which is why I'm never sure if people reporting this aren't paranoid or prone to jumping to conclusions and being superstitious. Always base your observations on science first, and only blame the supernatural as a last resort. Be honest with yourself, be open to the idea that you may be insane but also be open to the idea that you may not. But always prove or disprove the most likely scientific reason first! I myself have had hallucinations between the worlds of the living and the dead, nothing paranormal necessary about them, it was just that I was returning to physical consciousness and certain parts of my brain were still firing in the dream state. Had I not been calm and scientific about it I would have said that the loud demonic growl was a demon haunting my home -- as this is what I heard in the physical world.

What I'm trying to say is keep an impartial view and try to be pragmatic and logical whenever dealing with these things.

To answer your questions with my own answers; which as I said before just reflect my own experiences and what I've learned:

The only time most people interact with their soul is through intuition, it's the inner guide or compass that tells you not to do something bad before you go ahead and do it anyway. To think of it as something you own or possess is a mistake. It is always with you, learning, experiencing, and gently pushing you towards your own evolution. However, when you push back it does not resist. Whether or not you and your soul become one at death in my opinion is based on what you do and whether or not it would be beneficial for the souls own quest. Lessons are always absorbed and the core essence of our life remains, but the individual often does not. It is my conclusion that only through the marriage or merging of the ego and the soul can one truly experience immortality.

We seem to posses and etheric double, which is used for traveling in the ghost mirror world of the physical. It can be damaged and it can be healed using techniques such as desert-rat provided. There are theories on other bodies (such as the astral and so forth) but I can't say for sure either way. This body however isn't the soul, but it would probably be what most people believe a soul is. It's most likely the spiritual residence of the ego or individual. If I wanted to take over another's body I would probably need to sever their etheric body and all it's connections from their own physical body and some how integrate my own etheric body to their physical body. This is just in theory, I don't have near the skill currently to do this... and even if I could it would be a perversion of life.

Someone pointing at you while being upset and you feeling it energetically is the idea of the Evil Eye. It's very common and normally it's due to someone with natural psychic abilities not actually knowing what they do. If you're seeing this all around you it's either that you're extremely spiritually sensitive or that you have schizophrenia and are paranoid and delusional. I don't mean to insult you but these are the most likely answers to what you seek. The chance of everyone being out to get you is very unlikely.

To get rid of these influences first you should seriously ask yourself if this is a mental problem or something else. If you're emotionally and psychically sensitive Michelle Belanger has several good books on dealing with energy and this sort of thing. If evil occultists are after you then Protection and Reversal Magick by Jason Miller is a good source of information. In all my encounters the best and most effective defense to darkness is love. As stupid as it sounds, if you can focus and project love then nothing can touch you.

Good Luck.

[who-am-i]

@desert-rat
Thanks for the explanations. I am going to take a look at the link provided by you!

@Steel Hawk
In my opinion there are two sorts of people out for spiritual development. First there are the ones living in happiness and/or love, that came with certain talents, like we all do. They experience, at points in their life, things with their awareness, that they can´t explain. Mostly the encounters, with what is available for them above the 5 senses, is making them grow, know themselves better, and even bring along more abilities to gather happiness, thereby ultimately more love. On the other side there are the depressed ones, living in sorrow and fear. With them everything applies that goes with the people that are manipulated, from young age, to be positive. Except through their negativity they are a magnet for things destroying them. That means loosing awareness, wisdom, knowledge, energy, abilities, talents, connections, ultimately themselves. Either they take the path of destruction themselves, or their way is to get what they are unwilling to do. With accepted violence of any kind, it is possible to do principally the same as the ones in happiness and/or love, but with "lower" means.

LOL, it didn´t looked like the "Jewish" rabbi wanted to make a golem out of me! What he was up to was already manifested in one guy in the community. He always smiled, seemed to be happy all day long, but was superficially retarded with his intelligence. It is strange that he looked rather intelligent, with allot of pain carved in his face, seen in moments him beeing alone. Under the influence of the rabbi, no matter what the rabbi wanted, he was doing it. He even smelled like him.

I always was able to differentiate reality from phantasy and vision. Maybe I went insane and that's over. There is also a possibility that forces in this world are not happy with who I am and the way i could have influenced the world with my energy. How about all the people and circles that wanted me are upset and are putting up a show, with some little influences over my etheric body, to make me go insane. Or they take energy away, as parts of my inner world. Once I heard "many are jealous of me, because I have something that is special". SO a situation was fabricated, in which I have the "choice" to go, join something, change myself to fit to the ideas how entities in this world should be, or, what maybe the real intension was, to destroy me, with the sweet factor of letting me "choose", whilst always being on the mercy and energetic influence of others, meaning there was never a choice of will.

Every time I tried to listen to my soul, or inner voice, the surrounding of people of all sorts attacked me, to bring as much pain as possible. As strange as it sounds. I was kind of selfless and wanted to give love to the unhappy ones, where it was needed the most. At some point, when I was 6 or 7 I realized that people in love are ignoring the unhappy ones as good as possible. Giving love to them seems to be the worst thing possible. Also for years I couldn´t understand why people aren´t helping each other out constantly in their free time, no matter if they know each other: Painting a fence, washing a car, carrying something, giving a hug of love if needed, to anybody.....of course having some time to relax. Why this unknown behavior is the way to go came into mind at the age of around 25. Especially the bible is ridiculous, when it comes to this: Love everybody like you love yourself..., but it is said in the bible, that god only turns towards you, bringing along the Holy Spirit, light and love, if somebody gives love to him first.... It´s kind of this is hell and I came from a place that is the opposite of here.

What happens when I become one with my soul? What if my soul, if it´s still there, doesn´t want me, which would be of no wonder? What happens then? Does the merging of the ego with the soul has to happen in life, or could it also happen in death? What is this immortality then? What does it bring along?

That severe an etheric body, to take it over thing, makes strangely alot of sense, when I look at my experiences with a certain person. Wouldn´t it be the perfect crime? Torturing somebody, until his etheric body is vulnerable, him not even aware of what is going on. With destroying somebody completely, not even charmic reactions have to be feared. Well, i´m a warrior, some say. So one way or another this is going to get down......

I know: Love works best. Which is a pain in the butt, knowing now how to get love in this world.

All this typing in the internet doesn´t really help. I might need a guru, showing me a way. Some form of trustful relationship, for getting a free mind, to unchain me from negative emotions in coherence with the past, with this beeing able to find a positive way. Or i must do, what must be done. I don´t hear my inner voice anymore, for years, since my heart broke with 14 years of age, more and more silence. Maybe it´s up to me, to be what the world created, what the world formed.

Important is how to make the people stop sneezing, coughing, harrumph, around me. Looking me in the chest, the eyes, then fastly at somebody else.
What is going on with that? Is there a possibility that your own conciosness and abilities are taken away? Or is this a game of influence? What kind of energy do people exchange with looks and other means?

[desert-rat]

It sounds like you were hanging out with more closed minded people. You may have encountered some psychic vampires http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_vampire  These people can brain wash you , but your soul / higher self is safe .               You might find some gurus in Germany . Not ever one that claims to be a guru is truly enlightened .  The circulation of white light that I posted on Pavlina    is one method of many , you will find more if you do a web search .  It strengthens your aura , etheric body ect. If you visualize your self surround  with with light it will denture most evil beings . desert rat