kids on these subjects

[Nay]

Interesting.....I wasn't going to post on this because I thought this was done to death.  But I realize that we aren't talking about one indivdual anymore.  I assume you read my responses on the other post when you announced that you were going to start this topic?

Funny, I talked to my kids just about everything.  I have spoken about OOBE's, dreams, angel's, ghost, ect..ect. I don't force it one them mind you, but they have seen me typing away and ask questions. (not to mention read over my shoulder.)
I posted somewhere about an experience my daughter had that she just happened to bring up while we were eating one day.  It was weird and sounded soooo like what I have read on these very forums.  I acted like...no big deal, because I do feel she is not old enough yet to grasp the whole concept (she is 10yr)  Now my 12yr old is quite the different story..hehehe funny how just a couple of years can make.  He actually took one of my books and started reading it ("adventures beyond the body" by William Buhlman.) Told him if he had any questions, to ask.  He hasn't as of yet.  But during breakfast we will tell each other our dreams!!  I love it!  To see the looks on their faces when each has their say...well, it is magical.  
I look foward to the day they are each very much grown and we can talk... I mean REALLY talk about it.
I have taught my kids to love nature, people, and life.... Do you know how many bugs I have had to catch that have found their way into the house and then set free back into the wilderness?? ok, well, maybe the hubby does the nasty spiders...lol. and the days we have spent walking in the woods and picking up trash?...countless.
My ex-husband calls our son a "momma's boy" I call it being gentle and caring.
I don't know what to say to you about your kids... if it doesn't feel right coming out of you, they will KNOW!  They will feel your apprehension, everytime!  YOU must feel comfortable with it first, it must feel right within YOUR heart or it won't mean squat!

God, I love my kids!!!  They are awesome! [] I am truly blessed.
(but I will get back with you when they start having the raging hormone thing...lol..I might have a totally different story by then)

Nay. []

[no_leaf_clover]

guru, you talk as if every person under the age of 17 on this forum is immature and too young to start learning about OBE's, etc., and i'd say it would really depend on the person. imo, i don't think i'm to young to start learning about this sort of thing, and i do have the legal right to do so, as well as join this board. i don't go around all day pretending to be a superhero, etc., and i'm not exactly the only person my age that's beyond that stage (i turned 15 in january). so, like i said before.. i'd say it's really a matter of the individual. i wouldn't descriminate by age, myself, but if younger people on this board bother you, maybe i should apologize for being interested in such things at such a young age?

btw, my views on life have changed, and drastically, even though only partially from this site. i'm actually glad im not still wondering about god and hell and all of that. imagine that.

man.. i will admit it took me a while to type all this out. the tv is distracting.. comedy central.. im with busey.. thats an addicting show.

[Euphoric Sunrise]

I don't believe people should be judged on their age. If people under 17 or 18 manage to find their way to this website it's usually because they are interested in it's content. Just because somebody is younger physically it doesn't mean they can't be as wise as somebody who's twice their age.
Learning is a very important thing and this website is one of the best places i've found to learn. If anybody, of any age, can come here and learn something then surely that's a good thing.

You can learn lessons from anybody of any age. Maybe a young person will come on here and say something that will trigger a thought, or show you (perhaps non-intentionally) that you are doing ne thing too much and not noticing something else.

And about the seriousness. Sure, OBE and the likes can be serious, but i don't think it's a good idea to take them so seriously that you aren't having fun or anything. If somebody wants to goof around a bit and have a laugh i say go for it, as long as it isn't going to do them damage. After all, i think having fun is far more important than doing something perfectly. Maybe fun and perfect are the same thing []

[zakaroth]

you see- this is what I love about the internet- you can talk about anything and not be judged by race, sex, age etc, I personally find it extremly annoying when people start to judge others merly on age, and although it may be true that some 14-15 year olds are 'impressionable' I certainly am not- but that may be the way I've been brought up by my family, they have taught me to love and respect them, but understand that I am a diffrent person with diffrent values and beliefs, (you should have seen my dads face when I tried to exlain oobe's to him!) If it makes you feel better to only discuss this sort of thing with adults, remember that the internet is breaking down all the barriers and age will soon become as meaningless as name on this sort of place (unless you're a kibegginersnightmare)

[jilola]

Every person coming to these boards should be given that chance to display their level of maturity andd willingness to learn.
We all are individuals and are at different stages of maturity regardless of age as has been proven by some in the past.

The physical age on a forums like this should be of no consequence as what we discuss has nothing to do with one's biological age really. On the other hand it's clear that not all are capable of dealing with these matters in an appropriate way and age is often a good indication of how a person will be able to cope.

Some fit right in and can contribute and llearn in a meaningful ways as exemplified by zakaroth and several others (sorry you know who you are [8D]) other get lost and their behaviour reflects that.

I propose that these forums remain open to all but that those who display a level of maturity that is clearly below what is required for meaningful learning and contribution be steered somewhere else by the least intrusive ways until they can return and become equal members.

2cents & L&L
jouni

[zakaroth]

well put jilola

[jilola]

<voice person=elvis>Thank you. Thankyouverymuch [8D]</voice>

2cents & L&L
jouni

[Adrian]

Greetings,

I can only repeat what I have already said in other posts on this topic, and that is absolutely everyone is welcome here in principle. Younger people are very fortunate to be able to learn about and discuss these important matters.  I rejected the creed and dogma of religion at the age of 7 years, 40 years ago, and spent many years after that seeking the truth. Had the Internet been available during that time, my search would have been much, much shorter.

I have been extremely impressed by the maturity and postings of many of the younger members of these forums, and we have several around the 13 and 14 age group. Their postings have been beyond their years.

The moderators and I maintain the standards based upon the usual criteria and common sense. Profanity, abusive language, provocation, threats and other such behaviour will not be tolerated whether the member is 9 years old or 99 years old. Also not tolerated are posts which annoy other members of the type seen and dealt with recently.

We welcome younger members on the basis that the majority will behave with the maturity that has been so characteristic of younger members of these forums generally speaking, with only the odd exeption.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Nay]

Gee, I hope no one got the idea from my post that I don't appreciate the younger people on this forum, cause I do!  I was quite surprised to find some of ya were young..lol. Just like Squeek was surprised to find some of us older..Ironic, eh?...lol.
Actually I really never would give it a thought...well, until it became painfully obvious in certain cases..wink,wink.  I don't look at a post and then say.."oh, man this person is younger than me, not gonna read this"  and I rarely look at profiles.  I did read someone's (can't remember..lol) the other day, and laughed my butt off at the "Set my pants on fire, and it's not as funny as you might think" oh..man, that was funny!! and at that moment I was needing a good harty laugh!  Thanks to whom ever you were!! Laughter IS the best medicine. [)]

Nay. []

[rantboi]

Strwrs_guru, I'm 15, and believe me, I'm my own person. And, no, I don't think I have some awsome powers. What you don't understand is that there are worse adults going around than young people like myself. Why do you find the need to judge people based on their age? It's annoying, and it only shows me how immature you are being.

And, I'm not sure if you knew this, but I have my own brain. Believe me, no amount of you or any other adult preaching about something will make me throw away my sanity. I think for myself.

Bottom line, some teenagers are mature, some adults are immature, and vice versa. Did that statement surprise you? Well, welcome to the real world. Judging people based on age, sex, and race will get you nowhere.

-Ater

[strwrs_guru]

everyone here is absoulutely right.(except me maybe)

i do apologize in the utmost extreme. i didnt mean to convey that the young ones were unwelcome.(even though that is exactly what i did.) i just have a psycological(sp) problem on the subject of these things that most people will call the "supernatural" and "of the devil".  

my wife is the one who makes me uncomfortable about talking about these subjects. she really thinks i am some kind of weirdo or possibly on the verge of craziness. i definately know that she thinks if i died right now i would probably be going to hell for dabbling in these subjects. thats why i feel uncomfortable talking about these things with the younger members. what if their parents were to get really ticked off by these things? most of the average people out there would think this is just as bad as their kids going on a porn site.

and again i am so sorry for offending. i do really get some great advice from some of the younger people and i dont even realize it. i hardly look up peoples profiles and i get really surprised when i see some of the ages when i do.  no leaf clover you are one of them. if i didnt look, i would have thought you were my age. i do agree that young does not necessarily mean immature. some of you guys are more mature than i am.(as you can tell from my opening subject).

i am still kind of new to these ideals and am having a hard time forgetting about the idea that i am going to hell if i dont quit trying these things. religous dogma is powerful, and i do have to admit that it still has a hold on me somewhat. i am learning that there is room for the belief in this as well as a simultaneous belief in God and His ways. i think it is just the various religious groups have really screwed me up in the head.

again please forgive me for offending. i am still a young one myself in these subjects and i see that i have alot of growing up to do. in the future i will definately treat everyone with the respect due to each.

i feel like i just ticked off my best friends. again i apologize.


                                              sincerely and greatfully,  Tony

[jilola]

To peruse a phrase common in the land of roos: No worries.
And the apology is definitely accepted [8D]

2cents & L&L

[RandomName]

I understand how you feel guru. Children do not belong on the forums due to the facts that they CAN be life changing. I swallowed what I was fed about god until my first OBE, and then after that, I came to an understanding in agnosticism. Im 16, and people (namely the law) consider that too young to make serious decisions, and lots of the time, it is. I would understand if people found me annoying, and would keep my mouth shut if asked to do so, because I understand what I am doing wrong and would try to correct it.

There are children reading these posts that are here actually LEARNING from them, and that doesn't sound bad, but considering the effects it could have, you have to ponder the results on their personalities. Sure, a child knowing AP sounds well and good, but would you want your child to come face to face with something that you told them wasn't real? For example, demons exist, spirits exist and are EVERYWHERE in the astral, as with the physical, and most people do not beleive in them.

This is not directed at Kibeginnersnightmare as some may be thinking, but at the whole of newer posters as well. Be you mature enough, stay here and have fun, ask questions, give answers. []

[MosesB]

This is a hard subject to think about....
I myself am a "kid" (under 17),but i always wanted to tell my little brothers about these kinds of things and i dont know how to approach it.I also have an older brother who doesnt believe right now,but if i had some proof,i know he would...so i dont really know what to say.

[Tisha]

It is my strong belief that parents should be aware of the sites their children visit.  I'm not saying we chould turn into Internet Nazis, unless our kids are into something truly objectionable.  

What I AM saying is that if we have strong (religious or other) beliefs and wish to shield our children from alternative viewpoints, we've got a lot of work to do.  Until our kids are 18, it's our right to manage our children's experiences as best we can. (And yes, I DO monitor and limit my pre-teen daugher's online activities.)

I'm presuming that, since many of the teens on Astralpulse are online (sometimes way past their bedtimes), that their parents are either OK with it, or are too lazy to check up on it.  In any case, it's not OUR problem, it's THEIR PARENTS problem if they see it as one.  

So . . .  if you're a grownup worried about the ideas being promulgated from Astralpulse to the world's children, you can take a deep breath and relax.  The responsibility lies elsewhere.  Just know that whatever you type on these Boards may be read by anyone, of any age . . . even your own kids someday!

(For you teens out there, I changed my religious views when I was 13.  I was in confirmation class at church and would sneak into the bathroom and read books on witchcraft while sitting in one of the stalls! I know that, at that time, I felt I was old enough to make my own decisions.  What I DIDN'T get (or didn't care about) was the fact that legally, my parents were still responsible for my well being.  SO, read and believe whatever you want, but take care that your actual behavior says in-bounds. Thanks for listening.)

[beavis]

strwrs_guru "i dont feel comfortable discussing some of these topics with kids. i.e.....people under 17 or 18. i still dont know quite how to bring up these subjects with my own kids. or even if i should."

Do you want your kids to believe lies? No, then tell them what you really think is true, which I'm guessing is OBE related.

[strwrs_guru]

Beavis...........Thats just it. I am still not sure whats true. What if we are all going to hell for this stuff? I will have been responsible for my kids going there too. If all this is wrong. Thats why i lead them down the religious path now. They can make their own decisions when they are adults.


I am sooooooo confused sometimes![]

[MosesB]

you cant get someone sent to hell[|)],thats something they have to do for themselves,and anyways.....most children will go to heaven because they arent able to make the decision to take Christ into thier hearts as thier personal lord and savior.This doesnt apply to teens because they can make that choice,and if they did then you shouldnt have anything to worry about.

Fear and Worry are not of GOD.[8D]

[beavis]

strwrs_guru, maybe it would be best to teach them to have an open mind, and about your religion and OBE and any other options you're considering. An open mind usually follows truth more than a specific religion, and if that religion is the truth, one with an open mind will be likely to see that and have a reason to follow the religion instead of mindless dogmatism. Tell them you're not sure which is correct.


If reincarnation is correct (sequential version or simultaneous), then you cant tell how old somebody is by the age of their current human body. That body will influence them, but their spirit is most important for these discussions. Some of the kids on astralpulse could have lived 50000 total years on earth. You shouldnt say they're immature just because they dont own the same equipment as you.

[Adrian]

Greetings everyone,

Kids should not be forcibly led down any path, but should rather be presented with all of the alternatives and let them make up their own minds when they are old enough. By reading these forums they see the spiritual perspective - I am sure they see the religious perspective at school - at least in Britain they do where religious education is compulsory, and kids are taught religion as if it were fact. My kids all saw through this years ago and rejected religion for what it is.

We should not be afraid to put forward the spiritual persepctive including Astral projection. Avoiding the issue is to doubt it, and lend credibility to the creed and dogma of religion at the same time.

This is a critical decade for mankind where an expansion of consciousness should occur,encompassing all of humanity, but this will only be possible if those who know are not afraid to spread the truth, and to assist your family friends and neighbours on the path by pointing them in the direction of the facts.

Aside from religion, the quantum sciences now have a very good understanding as to the true nature of the universe, specifically the universe and everything in it is as one, and we are all equal and immortal aspects of The All, Spirit, God.

Never be afraid of what people might think is propagating the truth - every single person will, sooner or later have to recognise that truth.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Nerezza]

It seems that the rule is this:

Ignore the child till he grows to be able to look you in the eye, then you should take him seriously.


 

[Tayesin]

Hi.

Adrian, well said. Religious instructions is part of Australian schools too.  And here it is very one sided, straight out modern christianity.  So I be honest with my daughter and tell her that the person is not a teacher.  That they are ordinary people who tell you what they believe.  I know that no matter what I teach her, like many people she will decide for herself.

I agree with the rest of your post there too.

Love always.[]

[dino333]

I'm 16 and I've been believing what I want to for years.

[Alezunde]

I agree with Adrian, and all of the people that have replied to this topic.

Intelligence is neither a gender-based or an age-based trait. I've met some poeple much younger than me who I wholly respect for their intuition. On the other hand I've also met people far older than who are stupid as rocks. And about as creative.
Too many people face age discrimination and are raised with the "respect your elders" crap. Sure, experience beats any form of knowledge most of the time - I know, but some older people have awfully limiting thoughts.

No one should ever be forced to believe in God. That completely defeats the purpose anyways.

One of my good friends is going through this, and life is hell enough without having to make him go to a christian school against his will.
I, personally, chose not to accept relgion because of the major inconsistencies in all of what they teach you. Then, they tell you that you will go to hell if you don't join their "one true religion."
But here's something else: If EVERY religion claims to be "the one true religion", then which on really IS the one true religion?

So until someone can offer me definite proof of the "one true religion", I'm just going to stay nuetral.
Hell, I don't even know if I believe God exists or not. But I'm entirely open the fact that he may be. Although I've developed several of my own theories on his existence myself.

A personal quote that I like: "It's not God I have a problem with - it's all the people that claim to follow him."

For strwrs_guru:
I'd say sit down and share your thoughts with your hubby, and try to work something out. As mentioned already, there's no reason that ideals of psychic powers, and God, can't coexist.
If she doens't agree with you, or you can't work something out, then leave your practices to yourself, but if your kids are curious, they'll ask question - then is the perfect oppurtunity educate them. As for religion - I would always say let them make their own choice when they get older.

Part of the reason I'm non-religious is because I was raised to be religious, but I finally got fed up with the pointless and boring church gatherings, the seeming narrowmindedness of the teachings, and the fact that they seemed to enjoy limiting creative thought. [V]

I hope I didn't offend anybody with my post. []

-Alezunde

P.S. Whoo - sorry there - I kinda rambled on. Hope it all made sense. []

[Nay]

quote:For strwrs_guru:
I'd say sit down and share your thoughts with your hubby, and try to work something out. As mentioned already, there's no reason that ideals of psychic powers, and God, can't coexist.
If she doens't agree with you, or you can't work something out, then leave your practices to yourself, but if your kids are curious, they'll ask question

Hehehe.. All made perfect sense..until strwrs_guru became a woman and then went back to a man!...hehehehe..I am sorry I just couldn't help but pick on ya!..[]  []

Nay. []