Kundalini, hypnagogic, and Nitrous oxide

[Steel Hawk]

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[Bedeekin]

White robe brigade!! 

I would say that all these body sensations are a response to the body undergoing some type of brain change or 'trauma'. The actual 'experience'... itself... the nonphysical experience is separate from the physical body and nothing to do with 'the brain' per se or the physical processes that create the perceived sensations.

When I become nonphysical and my attention turns 360o I lose all awareness of the physical sensations and instead notice the ones I experience within the nonphysical... which are not present generally until focused upon.

The NOx will cause you to fall into a nonphysical consciousness because it essentially shuts out your physical input. That's why it's used as an anaesthetic. It can be dangerous obviously like all anaesthetics.

[Astralzombie]

In the past I have taken over the counter sleep aids which is the same drug as benydryl (sp), an anti-histamine, to help me sleep and I can't even have a normal dream afterwards.

It never makes me sleepy per se but I feel so weird that I sleep to wear it off, if that makes sense. I have read on other forums where they have said that opiates do make having an OOBE easier. Painkillers make me sleep so deeply that I can't remember my dreams thought I know I did.

[Steel Hawk]

I've been maybe too careful with this stuff, but so far what I've experienced is something akin to the meditation youtube link above, I believe due to lack of oxygen. So far results aren't impressive.

Interesting link:
http://www.theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/96may/nitrous/nitrous.htm

The actual 'experience'... itself... the nonphysical experience is separate from the physical body and nothing to do with 'the brain' per se or the physical processes that create the perceived sensations.

That's a big assumption. Would you say that dreams have nothing to do with the brain? What about lucid dreams? I know it's nice to think we know that there's life after death and it's hard to admit there's a chance you might be wrong but I'm not so sure anymore. I honestly don't know it could be all spiritual or it could be a function of the brain. When I first started having nonphysical experiences I believed they were really some extraordinary thing and would attack anyone that disagreed.

The brain can recreate everything we experience, so it's possible that "nonphysical" experiences are just something internally generated. Anton's Syndrome or proof that everything we see the brain can recreate tricking blind people into thinking they're actually seeing.

idk not trying to be a buzz kill.

[Steel Hawk]

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[Projector4life]

I tried Steel Hawk's technique of listening to the ringing inside of the head, and got great results. I felt myself slip into a different state. I tried fluctuating the sound up and down. I was wondering if this sound is the link to your higher self and not linked to brain function.

[Bedeekin]

Yes I would. I don't think the 'brain' is responsible for nonphysical experience at all. Never have no matter how much I've tried to dismiss it or find otherwise. I went through a stage of thinking it was in the brain. But something would always pop up that refuted it.

The brain can recreate everything we experience, so it's possible that "nonphysical" experiences are just something internally generated. Anton's Syndrome or proof that everything we see the brain can recreate tricking blind people into thinking they're actually seeing.

haha... yeah... already been here also.

It depends what you mean when you say that the brain recreates everything we experience... it allows us to gather information from the objective world. That is it's function to gather and report and to react accordingly based upon the available information. It tends to rely on a signal though doesn't it? Many sensory signals make up this immersive experience we call reality... touch... taste... sight and sound etc. When we dream... or AP/LD/OOBE... there is no information being gathered. It's actually a unique state of consciousness where all physical senses and stimuli are essentially turned off.

On the Anton Babinski Syndrome... the type of blindness is called "cortical blindness"...  their eyes are fully working and it is the visual cortex that is damaged. Their eyes still react to light. Also only people with Cortical blindness get Anton Babinski Syndrome. If it happened in patients with complete ocular blindness then it would be complete simulation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cortical_blindness


Regardless... the whole of reality is evidently a simulation.

idk not trying to be a buzz kill.

A buzz kill is someone who destroys other peoples fun and games or has major negative effect on somebodies otherwise positive views. What you are saying isn't a buzz kill at all.

[Astralzombie]

Steel- I can appreciate your deep desire to find some truths but maybe you should check out some studies. I'm sure there are some researchers who would love a brave guinea pig willing to assume some risks. You could even be safer doing so.

I'm not trying to discourage your self exploration but I have to admit I'm a bit concerned with how far your willing to go alone.

You remind me of Keifer Sutherland in "Flatliners". That's a bit too hardcore.

[Steel Hawk]

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[desert-rat]

There is Kundalini yoga http://www.kundaliniyoga.org/           and the circulation of white light , or middle pillar . I know nitrous oxide is also know as laughing gas .  You will want to be care full messing with nitrous oxide .  On flat liners the movie , it was a ok movie .  As I remember the movie from many years ago , they used a drug , or some thing to stop the heart and simulate death .  I think people  from there past they had hurt came back to haunt them . Kind of like a past life review .  desert rat