Masculine Energy

[funfire]

Masculine Energy? do you mean Energy? Is there something more than just energy? If so I have never felt any different energy than what I feel now. How would you be able to tell that there are separate energy in male and female if we haven't experienced it yet. We are driven by free unlimited will that has no bounds it functions no differently in male or female.


To be honest I don't even know what other people label energy as because I don't have there experience. If there is something different from male and female besides biological factors I am at a loss.

[Stillwater]

When a human is born with male genitalia he is male.
When a human is born with female genitalia she is female.
[queue the almost totally irrelevant nitpik about hermaphrodites that occur in infinitesimally small numbers]

When they get older and get confused about what they really are it is called "Gender Identity Disorder".

We have to make a bit of distinction here.

The medical definitions of "sex" and gender" are different and distinct.

Sex refers to physiology. Male and female physiologies are unquestionably different. They are physically and chemically different.

Gender refers specifically to social roles that are associated with each biological sex.

Sex is biology, and gender is psychology/ sociology.

Sex is an unchangeable reality. Gender is a combination of evolutionary psychology, and arbitrary social rules which are unique to the society the individual finds them self in, such as roles relating to childrearing, or social interactions. I think there is value in questioning the norms related to gender, insofar as they are not common across different societies, which is proof they are partially arbitrary.

[RobertForsythe]

We have to make a bit of distinction here.

The medical definitions of "sex" and gender" are different and distinct.

Sex refers to physiology. Male and female physiologies are unquestionably different. They are physically and chemically different.

Gender refers specifically to social roles that are associated with each biological sex.

Sex is biology, and gender is psychology/ sociology.

Sex is an unchangeable reality. Gender is a combination of evolutionary psychology, and arbitrary social rules which are unique to the society the individual finds them self in, such as roles relating to childrearing, or social interactions. I think there is value in questioning the norms related to gender, insofar as they are not common across different societies, which is proof they are partially arbitrary.

Gosh Stillwater, I am going to try to reply to your politically leaning comments as best I can without sounding political....

The topic is "masculine energy"

In the metaphysical sense ( is it okay to talk about the metaphysical sense?) we recognize the existence of polarity in this physical universe. We have up and down, hot and cold, in and out, left and right (ooops! scratch that last example)

In my experience there is a realm of universal undifferentiated energy that exists as potential with respect to this universe of duality where positive energy exists in relation to its opposite, negative energy. In Hindu terms we are talking about Shiva, Vishnu and Brahm.
Within the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, Brahma is the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. The destructive element is generally identified with the Left.
(Ya gotta pick one...)

Right?

That much is fundamental. Otherwise we don't even have a physical universe to operate in.

The rest proceeds logically from there.

[LightBeam]

Energy can be turned into any form, shape, emotion,experience, etc according to the creator's desires, beliefs, intentions. All of us are creators and if you desire to enhance your masculinity (spiritually, physically, etc), then nothing is stopping you. You can turn energy into anything you focus on. After all, besides being connected to the pure source as a point of consciousness in the highest realm, we do experience various characters in various realities. When we are oriented to a certain character we assume the roles that are established in that reality. Nothing wrong with that. The purpose is experience and learning.

[Stillwater]

Gosh Stillwater, I am going to try to reply to your politically leaning comments as best I can without sounding political....

Not sure I follow. I agree there is a lot of discussion of gender in a political context lately, and it is very overdone.

But I don't see what agenda there is in discussing the accepted definitions of words. It helps to define terms when two parties are using the terms differently, and that difference can cause difficulty in understanding one another properly.

In my experience there is a realm of universal undifferentiated energy that exists as potential with respect to this universe of duality where positive energy exists in relation to its opposite, negative energy. In Hindu terms we are talking about Shiva, Vishnu and Brahm.
Within the Hindu trinity of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva, Brahma is the creator, Vishnu the preserver and Shiva the destroyer. The destructive element is generally identified with the Left.
(Ya gotta pick one...)

Right?

That much is fundamental. Otherwise we don't even have a physical universe to operate in.

This world we live in definitely contains polarities. Obvious ones are the charge of "particles", and spin of particles. But when we are talking about things like male or female "energy", I guess it matters if we are talking about loose figurative terms, or literal fundamental ones. In a figurative sense, sure there are the ideas of creation and destruction, assertion and passivity, and it makes sense to associate them with the different sexes. But are we talking about fundamental structure of the universe at that point? Clearly calling creativity "feminine" is not as fundamental as calling a particle's charge negative?

I think this may be what is tripping people up here. It may not be clear whether we are talking about a figurative myth, or a base fundamental.

[funfire]

Energy can be turned into any form, shape, emotion,experience, etc according to the creator's desires, beliefs, intentions. All of us are creators and if you desire to enhance your masculinity (spiritually, physically, etc), then nothing is stopping you. You can turn energy into anything you focus on. After all, besides being connected to the pure source as a point of consciousness in the highest realm, we do experience various characters in various realities. When we are oriented to a certain character we assume the roles that are established in that reality. Nothing wrong with that. The purpose is experience and learning.

Right answer^

[RobertForsythe]

But I don't see what agenda there is in discussing the accepted definitions of words. It helps to define terms when two parties are using the terms differently, and that difference can cause difficulty in understanding one another properly.

This world we live in definitely contains polarities. Obvious ones are the charge of "particles", and spin of particles. But when we are talking about things like male or female "energy", I guess it matters if we are talking about loose figurative terms, or literal fundamental ones. In a figurative sense, sure there are the ideas of creation and destruction, assertion and passivity, and it makes sense to associate them with the different sexes. But are we talking about fundamental structure of the universe at that point? Clearly calling creativity "feminine" is not as fundamental as calling a particle's charge negative?

I think this may be what is tripping people up here. It may not be clear whether we are talking about a figurative myth, or a base fundamental.

Not only does the universe "definitely contain polarities" but it absolutely depends on it. There would be no physical universe without it. Also calling creativity "feminine" is, imho, more fundamental than calling a particle's charge negative (which truly is completely arbitrary). Electrons and protons carry opposite charge but which one we choose to call positive (and the other negative) is strictly convention.

On the other hand male and female anatomical and physiological differences do manifest as real differences in general proclivities and abilities.

But keeping on track with the OP, the suggestion to develop and manifest more "masculine energy" is not just an arbitrary label. The male human machine and the female human machine do burn fuel differently. A stove burns one type of fuel and a car another type and a jet another type... they may just be different forms of hydrocarbon but they are very different in significant ways.

At a certain starting point the fundamental Energy that animates the Universe may be undifferentiated but the moment it enters the mental realm, the emotional realm or the physical realm it must first split and become polarized in order to operate any of the machinery. So when a suggestion is made to channel more masculine or feminine energy it is not just an arbitrary or meaningless label but it can very well be good, practical advice for those who may be out of balance and are burning too much of the wrong kind of fuel.

[Stillwater]

Not only does the universe "definitely contain polarities" but it absolutely depends on it. There would be no physical universe without it. Also calling creativity "feminine" is, imho, more fundamental than calling a particle's charge negative (which truly is completely arbitrary). Electrons and protons carry opposite charge but which one we choose to call positive (and the other negative) is strictly convention.

We need to make the distinction between the name and the essence here though. Sure, the positive/ negative names are convention. They could be easily reversed. But that is not what I am talking about. There is a fundamental bi-polarity in these particles which is one of the most basic of all things in our universe. What you call each one doesn't change that. A very small number of things are this fundamental here... biological sex is several orders of magnitude less fundamental. It is tied to our reproductive approach, which while common, is not the only means. Many forms of life are not broken down into sexes, and reproduce by either sharing genetic material in an equal way (called conjugation in bacteria), reproducing a clone of the self, or re-arranging one's own genetic material. I think if we encountered alien species, we would see something similar. Some of them would be divided into sexes, and others of them would have singles sexes, and some of them might have 3 or more sexes with different roles (such as one to provide eggs and gestate, one to fertilize, one to care for new children, etc).

I think there is a degree of anthropomorphization going on here... we are applying the human experience to life and the universe as a whole. I think we would find some parts of it would resemble us, and other parts would bear no similarity. We are one form of many.

[Xanth]

This claim is almost entirely false.

There definitely is a thing called masculine energy.

Energy manifests as positive and negative all over the place.

It might require consciousness to arbitrarily apply plus and minus labels to naturally occurring polarity but there is NOTHING SUBJECTIVE about what will happen to someone who sticks a metal poker into a hot electrical socket.

Energy is energy.  It manifests as only what it can be.

I see where your misunderstanding is.  You're 100% correct, there is very little which is subjective about what happens when you stick a metal poke into a hot electrical socket. 
I don't expect you to understand this yet, but your analogy above isn't comparing what you think it's comparing and really has no bearing on this discussion either.

When you figure out WHY that is, then you'll figure out why "masculine energy" doesn't exist.  It's all connected. 

I'll start you off with a hint, "energy isn't physical".  I'm almost certain you will misunderstand that statement as well though.  You'll really need to open your mind beyond that which you think you already know... the answer doesn't lie in what you already understand.

Enjoy. 

[Xanth]

Talk about synchronicity... a great quote I just stumbled upon:

"You do not need to always conceptualize, interpret or label everything that comes into your awareness." - Eckhart Tolle

Seems to fit the bill here nicely.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

BTW this guy Leo is big on meditation and self actualization.

How To Be A Man - The Deep Core Of Being Masculine
https://youtu.be/X6YM_WUP5ik

[Xanth]

BTW this guy Leo is big on meditation and self actualization.

How To Be A Man - The Deep Core Of Being Masculine
https://youtu.be/X6YM_WUP5ik

*sigh*

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

*sigh*

If it makes you feel any better Leo recently did another video about being masculine and it's probably more in line with what your saying here. But I disagree with what he says in his second video which was to cry in front of women if you want, and wear your emotions on your sleeve, and act a little more like a women in a confident way though. Even still do you see how this sounds? Do you see the problems a man faces when he let's himself cry in front of his women, acts girly, gets so emotional like a women, let's others guide them. Do you see the problems that arise when men act like women? Women just aren't attracted to girly feminine men for the most part.

And yes it helps to label these things because if you don't you'll be a virgin the rest of your life, or worse off you'll get divorced with kids and no father. This is why I label things. Can you imagine if psychologists, and scientists never labeled anything. They would just claim that some spiritual master told them to not label things. LOL We would never progress out of the dark ages. It's only by analyzing and labeling problems with solutions that we can fix things in this physical dimension. Obviously things are different in the astral but there there is another set of rules for making progress there.

So do you see the problem when men act like women? And the problems with not labeling things Xanth?

[Xanth]

If it makes you feel any better Leo recently did another video about being masculine and it's probably more in line with what your saying here. But I disagree with what he says in his second video which was to cry in front of women if you want, and wear your emotions on your sleeve, and act a little more like a women in a confident way though. Even still do you see how this sounds? Do you see the problems a man faces when he let's himself cry in front of his women, acts girly, gets so emotional like a women, let's others guide them. Do you see the problems that arise when men act like women? Women just aren't attracted to girly feminine men for the most part.

And yes it helps to label these things because if you don't you'll be a virgin the rest of your life, or worse off you'll get divorced with kids and no father. This is why I label things. Can you imagine if psychologists, and scientists never labeled anything. They would just claim that some spiritual master told them to not label things. LOL We would never progress out of the dark ages. It's only by analyzing and labeling problems with solutions that we can fix things in this physical dimension. Obviously things are different in the astral but there there is another set of rules for making progress there.

So do you see the problem when men act like women? And the problems with not labeling things Xanth?

Holy crap dude, you're absolutely flooring me.  You're incredibly sexist and you think it's perfectly fine.  That's extremely scary.

The first thing boys need to learn today is that it's okay to cry.  Start there.

It's perspectives like what you're sharing above which have been the driving force behind most of our problems today.  I hope one day you realize it.

[LightBeam]

Plasma, I find it very attractive and comforting when men cry when there is a reason. That shows me that they care and have empathy. Women are not attracted to cold, heartless men that act all macho. At least not for a long term relationship. Men are no longer required to hunt for food or build houses with their bare hands, therefore they need to share some responsibilities like housekeeping, cooking child care, etc. That's what women are attracted to when they choose their life partners. They like communication and emotional connection. I like to see moisture in a man's eyes when he tells me he loves me.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

Holy crap dude, you're absolutely flooring me.  You're incredibly sexist and you think it's perfectly fine.  That's extremely scary.

The first thing boys need to learn today is that it's okay to cry.  Start there.

It's perspectives like what you're sharing above which have been the driving force behind most of our problems today.  I hope one day you realize it.

Let me clarify exactly what I mean here. Nothing wrong with men crying, just not in front of mates and potential mates. And not for a while into a relationship. But yeah I agree that crying is a normal healthy thing to do if a man so desires to do so. But in this day and age doing it to early on in a relationship can spell disaster for the guy. Sorry Xanth that is just the way women are programmed,  of course I am sure you can find an exception to the rule but by and large women will not invest in a man that isn't emotionally grounded. For the most part nothing is going to change that until we upgrade our DNA and women have the sympathy to invest into men that are emotionally draining.

"Men would rather hurt feelings to uphold logic, whereas women would rather break logic to save feelings."

As far as calling me sexist. LOL what's ever happened to Mr "no labeling."   Instead let's stick to the substance of the debate here.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

Plasma, I find it very attractive and comforting when men cry when there is a reason. That shows me that they care and have empathy. Women are not attracted to cold, heartless men that act all macho. At least not for a long term relationship. Men are no longer required to hunt for food or build houses with their bare hands, therefore they need to share some responsibilities like housekeeping, cooking child care, etc. That's what women are attracted to when they choose their life partners. They like communication and emotional connection. I like to see moisture in a man's eyes when he tells me he loves me.

I agree that men need to have some feminine qualities in them to attract women, so there does need to be a balance, but that doesn't mean that were gender neutral.

There is a quote that I can't find right now that goes something like this. Man minus women is a macho meathead and women without man is neurotic. So there does need to be a balance. All I am saying is that there is a fundamental difference between men and women at a psychological level. Can we agree on that?

[LightBeam]

PlasmaAstralProjection link=topic=46785.msg363860#msg363860 date=1473109229]
but that doesn't mean that were gender neutral.


No one said that, Plasma. Of course there are differences and I would not like to see my man with make up lol, but you were saying that men should not cry in front of women. What I was telling you was that women are attracted to men that show emotions, because that shows women that their partners care, they can feel other's pain and if any situation arises they will help because they care. That's all I'm saying. Now, I wont like men who cry for no resin, for example because their boss is being mean to them. Not like that. But my heart will melt if on a first date my guy drops a few tears during a sad movie.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

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No one said that, Plasma. Of course there are differences and I would not like to see my man with make up lol, but you were saying that men should not cry in front of women. What I was telling you was that women are attracted to men that show emotions, because that shows women that their partners care, they can feel other's pain and if any situation arises they will help because they care. That's all I'm saying. Now, I wont like men who cry for no resin, for example because their boss is being mean to them. Not like that. But my heart will melt if on a first date my guy drops a few tears during a sad movie.
[/quote]

You my darling are a real gem then. But most women won't do that. Look at the end of the day what I think I am really trying to say is that men should keep their bravado or mask on a bit longer and more often than women generally speaking. Because that is what most women are attracted to at least at the beginning stages of a relationship.

This whole thing comes down to the brain washing by modern feminists. OK so let's be clear first wave feminism was good. They got women the right to vote. Then second wave feminism got women equal pay. That was good. But third wave feminism is based off of junk science and the demonization of men. This is something you are going to have to research yourself to find out about. I have seen big companies and even politicians use junk science that feminists use to promote bogus government legislation.

This goes beyond the amount of time I have to type out here. So if you want the truth just research "The Factual Feminist." And she will clear up a lot of bogus things that modern feminists are saying to push their agenda onto the population.

[Xanth]

This is the last I'll say here:  http://www.heforshe.org

Plasma, your perspective, while was seemingly valid over the last several hundred years... isn't anymore.
Not only that, but this is also part and parcel of becoming a spiritual being.  Love and Acceptance.

What you preach isn't that.  Your homework is to figure out why.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

This is the last I'll say here:  http://www.heforshe.org

Plasma, your perspective, while was seemingly valid over the last several hundred years... isn't anymore.
Not only that, but this is also part and parcel of becoming a spiritual being.  Love and Acceptance.

What you preach isn't that.  Your homework is to figure out why.

You act as if I don't believe in equality between the men and women by sending me that link. You obviously don't know what I really believe. I have nothing against women having equal pay, equal rights. But women don't go for guys that act like women. In order to really get down to the bottom of this we need to dissect exactly what we are debating here. But you don't want to do that so.

As far as me not preaching love and acceptance. LOL Well if it was all up to you we would be living in the stone age with scientists not being able to label anything. There can be love in debate, and in labeling because these things help us know our selves and the world around us to a high level. Just reading about something doesn't give you the same level and depth as debating it.

I could call you a coward for not finishing this debate and getting down to it. But I won't, since I realize that this is all out of love. Just because I have a fiery sense of logic and I like to debate doesn't mean I don't love and have acceptance. It's almost condescending for you to say that I don't preach love and acceptance. What makes you think that just because I am debating this that I don't have love? Your the one making this very personal. Before it was just about who had the best points about masculinity and your turning this into an even more toxic subject than political rants by saying that I don't preach love and acceptance. *sigh* How do you know me enough to even say that about me? I am not who you think I am, whatever stereotype you got in your head get it out. That's your homework. And even you have talked about everyone own truths and beliefs. Well one of my strong beliefs is that I can debate and still hold respect for people I debate with afterward. And even gain more respect for them if they can debate me well. Perhaps debating just isn't your thing Xanth.

This kind of reminds me how older people think that cursing is always bad because they view it as being demeaning all the time. But how the newer generation sees it in moderation to be very good at expressing a very valid truth for them. It expresses it in a way that nothing else will. It gives just enough spice to a conversation in moderation that it makes the conversation much more tastier. But if used around older conservative type or Christians it tastes or sounds nasty to them. So it's all about your own truth and perspective. Debating is fun for me and I don't do it out of hate or indifference. If I mischaracterized anything you have said please tell me.

Those are my thoughts.

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

One last point if this is my last post. A lot of what I have learned and believe about men and women has actually come from a women named Kezia Noble. She is the world's leading dating coach for men.

[Xanth]

Perhaps debating just isn't your thing Xanth.

I don't "debate" with people who aren't willing to listen.
It's a waste of my time... ultimately the other persons' as well.

Have a good one bud. 

[PlasmaAstralProjection]

I don't "debate" with people who aren't willing to listen.
It's a waste of my time... ultimately the other persons' as well.

Have a good one bud.  

I have changed my mind more in the last 5 years than most people would ever change in their whole lives. From political views, to spiritual views, to just life in general. I have changed and adopted to something I think is in line with reality the most. I have ran across people are stuck in their ways, and I am not like them. Maybe we can finish this topic another time. Take it easy and enjoy the rest of your Monday.

[Rakkso]

This whole thing comes down to the brain washing by modern feminists. OK so let's be clear first wave feminism was good. They got women the right to vote. Then second wave feminism got women equal pay. That was good. But third wave feminism is based off of junk science and the demonization of men. This is something you are going to have to research yourself to find out about. I have seen big companies and even politicians use junk science that feminists use to promote bogus government legislation.

Now I'm not much aware of political propaganda regarding genres and such, but you don't need two fingers of forehead to know that the majority of Television, music videos, fresh artists, as well as rainbow social movements are very much insisting in subversing their views into any one who watches the media. Just like they have always done but now with a more laser focused topic in mind. I was not aware about this until a group of people in my life, a pair of them I knew since childhood started a streak of violent gender suggestions which clearly was a situation that just popped out of nowhere as I had been drinking with them just like you do in college with many different people. Things like 'that women will only end up hurting your feelings' coming from a man, and 'that man will only end up breaking your heart' coming from a woman, are the kind of psychological bullcrap that people who want to modify your behavior would tell you, In my humble opinion.

What I believe Xanth was trying to say, is that in this current epoch of society with all the wars around the world, there is clearly a masculine force behind them all, man's who's violence rises too high due to a lack of certain felinity/sensibility. These are the men that shape the intellectual, political, economical, social rules of the world.
In the same way you have women who lack even a bit of hard logic, and are way to feminine and their intelligence ends up being as proportional as their beauty which is in everything they focus on. These are the women that shape the creative, intuitive, subconscious part of the world with magazines, TV, showbussines. They tell both woman and man how to look and what to buy and even what should you spend your time in.
So what I believe is implied is that is balance existed in the heads of the directors of both this sides of the world, you could imagine what a difference of a world we would have for ourselves. That is a healthy solution in my opinion, the aggressive approach that is taking place towards that is not a bit healthy in my opinion, just a means for more chaos.

I'm with you Plasma in that a man should be assertive, logic and definite about his actions, when the woman is indecisive and emotional taking decisions. That's what average women like, a man who leads.

My small collaboration to this thread is, both women and man could play more that the basic roles I described above, without necessarily turn to the other side or even, be completely gender neutral, what I theorize and have noticed in my relatively ample field of observation for how man start to like man and women start to like women is the next.
I'll try to put my idea, because it is only just that, very simply here:

A man is active, assertive, logical, intellectual, hard worker, protector, hunter, as well as any other quality that you can think of from the general view of it. We will call this man Agent +1.
A woman is passive, indecisive if emotions play part, intuitive, creative, hard worker-smart worker, nurturer, carer, as well as any other quality that you can think of from the general view of it. We will call this woman Agent -0.

A man who is active, assertive, logical, as well as creative, intuitive and you add what you can think of would be Agent +1-. They posses masculine qualities without the volatility of a macho macho meathead because you could call them a bit sensitive.
A woman who is active, indecisive, intuitive, a huntress and you add what you can think would fit would be Agent -0+ They possess the feminine qualities without the volatility of the emotional turmoil product of too much estrogen because is balanced by some male hints of personality.

This is the GENERAL approach for both of the sexes, based on their cerebral activity these are the general qualities I see both of the sexes display more prominently than the other.

In normal/general conditions Agent +1 and Agent-0 are the perfect match.
In normal/general conditions Agent +1- and Agent -0+ are the perfect match

What happens when Agent 1 meets a girl Agent -0+.
There is clearly and unbalance in the relationship because the complex roles they each play are not balanced due to one of them presenting a set of qualities that allows it to develop better, and so differences destined to show up end are more likely to end the relationship.
What happens when Agent-0 meets a girl Agent +1-.
There is clearly and unbalance in the relationship because the complex roles they each play are not balanced due to one of them presenting a set of qualities that allows it to develop better, and so differences destined to show up end are more likely to end the relationship.

If either Agent +1 or Agent-0 end up parting from the relationship due to the whatever motives the other partner displayed. I believe anyone in this world can agree with me that both Agent +1 and Agent-0 would not even know why what happened happened, both leaving them confused due to a heart broken.

Predators: Agent +1+ and Agent-0- would then come here during chaos and prey on Agent +1 and Agent-0 with lame phrases like 'that women will only end up hurting your feelings' coming from a man to a man, and 'that man will only end up breaking your heart' from a woman to a woman. With the intention of turning Agent +1 into Agent +1+ and Agent-0 into Agent-0-. By taking advantage of temporal states of feelings and introducing mental confusion to the preyed upon.

Aaaaaaaaaand, add to that all the propaganda and you get whatever it is you can think of.

So in conclusion you have:

Agent +1 and Agent-0 Man and Woman
Agent +1- and Agent -0+ Man with a bit of woman sensivity and Woman with a bit of man lustfulness (both qualities just serve as an example)
Agent +1+ and Agent-0-.Man who prefers man, Woman who prefers woman.

From these 3 pairs, you get all the permutations that you can, which in my humble opinion bring only disharmony because end up confusing a certain individual if he or she is not clear and what he or she wants.

With that said, I would support a major change towards pair number 2 Agent +1- and Agent -0+ for they both complement each other, and when independent they show more a more skillfull/balanced take on decitions which would otherwise be not as good and when looked upon using both perspectives masculine and feminine. And so the cherished duality of negative and positive and procreation would not be broken.

I was going to talk about the methaphysical side, but, maybe not today.
Hope I didn't get too extended here. Just trying to be clear with no space for doubts.