My wife committed suicide. How to find her?

[Rob]

Lets NOT get into another mysticweb discussion, please! At least, not through thread-jacking a topic which is many times more important. Besides, the last time that place was discussed we established pretty clearly what they were all about (....), the icing on the cake being when they forced the astral pulse to remove said thread. No censorship?? pfft. How ironic.

(Must.....resist....being....pulled.....into.....pointless......mysticweb......discussion........arg!!!)

Rob

ps (damn) "you obviously still have your free will intact" - not true when magical influences are involved. If you want to discuss this please PM me and lets not degrade this thread any more.

[kutabare]

when did she die?
You can only find her within a week of her death then she goes into the other stages of death.{ only for a week due to the etheric energy is being decayed and is going to shrink}

sorry if I seem rude, but I know this from a chiqung book about etheric energy ,death and superstitions.

[singularity]

quote:Originally posted by kutabare

when did she die?
You can only find her within a week of her death then she goes into the other stages of death.{ only for a week due to the etheric energy is being decayed and is going to shrink}

sorry if I seem rude, but I know this from a chiqung book about etheric energy ,death and superstitions.

Interesting.  How about slow cancer deaths after a period of coma?  I had my first first-hand experience recently of this frightening phenomenon.  The last few days, it seemed as if the person - her energies, whatever - had already fled.  Or maybe we just chose to think that.

My wife and I also lost a child, suddenly, a few years back.  My wife remains convinced that she will meet our child again.  I see things differently, but still positively.

Oops, gotta save that for another time...

[kamil]

It was 4 months ago. Ive seen her several times from that time. Yesterday i felt very weird... I was thinking about what will happen when i will go to her - in the same way as she did...

4 hours later my friend wrote me a message. She was dreaming about me. We were talking about my way to commit suicide. And somewhere elsewhere, she saw me in "second version", when i was dancing with a girl - it wasnt Monika...

Its is very sad...

[cinnabardk]

You are thinking about committing suicide ?

I have been that route many times in my life, where I thought that life was not worth living. The most serious time was when that "fake memory" was implanted in my mind somehow, possibly by a negative entity.

Are you sure that you are not influenced by a negative entity ?

Have you read "Practical psychic self-defense" by Robert Bruce ? - If not, then I would highly recommend that you get it (just in case of a neg influencing you), before you do something which you might later regret. I am not saying this to scare you, it's just that to the best of my knowledge, your 're still the same when you have died, and you would still have to live with the consequences of your actions.

If you could be a bit more specific about your thoughts, feelings, etc., there might be someone here who can help in case of a negative entity (there might already be someone who can help). To learn how to astral travel is a matter which you have to help yourself with, to get rid of a negative entity is another matter where there might be someone who can help you.

Last but not least, have you spoken to a psychiatrist yet ?
Just lifting the sorrow off your shoulders to someone understanding, might be a turning point. He might also be able to help you to change the emotional pattern which you seem stuck in.

I am glad that I am still here, despite much hardship in my life.

[Jeff_Mash]

quote:Originally posted by kutabare

when did she die?
You can only find her within a week of her death then she goes into the other stages of death.{ only for a week due to the etheric energy is being decayed and is going to shrink}

How do you know this?  Not to seem rude, but when people make blanketed statements like that, I usually like them to follow up and explain just exactly HOW they came to know the information is true.  

After all, you're stating it as a fact, so I'm just curious to see how you know this.

[TheWanderer]

"Fake Memory" implanted in your head?  What are you, a nutcase?  Just delusions and fantasies, nobody put anything in your head, if you want to say it was some imaginary negative entity, then you go and do that, whatever floats your boat.  You've been mentioning this fake memory stuff for a while now, and I'm getting the indication that you want a response to it (thus the reason you keep bringing it up), so there's your response, hope you're satisfied.

People that are possessed and what not are weak of heart and mind, and open themselves up for that kind of stuff.  Someone like myself with strong mind and heart would never be susceptible to something like that, as I'm sure most of you are the same as well (the large majority of people in fact, which is why you rarely hear of that stuff happening).

That etheric energy thing could be true, but who knows unless they experience it for themselves.

-- Dan

[cinnabardk]

And what I am just writing now is just imaginary, right ?.
I did not exclude the possibility of me being a nutcase, however it isn't in any way helpful to any kind of understanding just to call someone a nutcase, etc.
Look, if you want to attack everyone, go somewhere else.

[xander]

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

People that are possessed and what not are weak of heart and mind, and open themselves up for that kind of stuff.  Someone like myself with strong mind and heart would never be susceptible to something like that.

Your challenge has been accepted.

Xander

p.s. please notice I didn't say who, what, why, or when.[}:)][8D]

[TheWanderer]

Xander:  Riiiiigggghhht.

Other dude:  Reality check, I'm not degrading you, I'm just giving you a REALITY CHECK.  You're letting your mind drift away in the fantasies that this site creates.  

No, you're probably not a nutcase, but remembering stuff that didn't happen isn't uncommon.  I've done it myself, and I call them the same thing as you -- "fake memories".  What they are are memories that are distorted by our perception of them over time to the point that we think something occurred a certain way, when it may have been something entirely different.  Quit blaming things on other factors and look within yourself, where most of the answers lie.

[xander]

Wait[8D]

Xander

quote:Originally posted by TheWanderer

Xander:  Riiiiigggghhht.

Other dude:  Reality check, I'm not degrading you, I'm just giving you a REALITY CHECK.  You're letting your mind drift away in the fantasies that this site creates.  

No, you're probably not a nutcase, but remembering stuff that didn't happen isn't uncommon.  I've done it myself, and I call them the same thing as you -- "fake memories".  What they are are memories that are distorted by our perception of them over time to the point that we think something occurred a certain way, when it may have been something entirely different.  Quit blaming things on other factors and look within yourself, where most of the answers lie.

[kamil]

Sorry, my friends. I see that topic is too hard and to much controversial. I would like to obtain any useful advices, but You are trying to convince each other. Please...

It seems that i will have to live with confidence that answer on my question is deeply hidden in me... That's all.

Peace.
Kamil

[Nagual]

Kamil,

"committed suicide ... without any SERIOUS reason"

Maybe she did not tell you everything...  How was she in general?  Strongminded?  Weakminded?  Something must have triggered it.  How was she after the wedding?  Did you notice any changes in her behavior?

"she will observe me, and she made it from love to me"

You could translate the first as "I will always be with you".
The second is indeed strange.  We don't know your story, but it could be that she felt guilty of something?  Was she seeing herself as a "weight" in your couple?  Was she in some ways preventing you from doing things?

I ask you all these questions because you seem to be looking for the WHY...  You seem willing to contact her to ask her why she did that...  Is that the main reason?

Anyway, I am no psy.  Don't pay too much attention to my questions...

[kamil]

Well. It seems that everything was ok. How always - we've sometimes met problems, nervous situations. Its understandable, i think. But nothing significant hadnt happen. Last days were rather bad - she had and "period" [ i dont know how to write in english ]... , and very very bad mood...

What about the most important question...
I think that i am at the "gate", if i could describe it in that way. I feel that i need to make a one step forward and i will meet her. I dont want to ask her WHY SHE DID IT. I just want to hold her for a while... To know that my suffer here will be for something...

Kam

[ThE_MaStEr_Of_PuPpEtS]

Kamil
"and she made it from love to me"

To me myself i think that means that her feelings for you(and you yourself), are stronger than love. In other words afer loving you the way(s) she did for however long you two have been together, her love for you has become even stronger than love itself (from love to you).

[TheWanderer]

her love for you has become even stronger than love itself

Then it clearly isn't love if it's become stronger than love.  Besides, love is the most powerful force in nature if you ask me, there's nothing stronger than that.  If she loved him so much, she wouldn't have put him through the misery of living without her.  Or, perhaps her love was just so strong for him that she thought it would be a good idea to kill herself?  Uh, no.

[Soulfire]

Hi Kamil,

I'm so sorry to hear about your wife.  My father died a little over a year ago, and I have visited him a few times via astral travel since then.  Thus far, when I have succeeded in visiting him astrally, I have become too emotional and zapped myself back to the physical very quickly.  I am not an overly emotional person, but I have found with my astral experiences with my father, my emotions get the best of me and I cannot sustain the projection very long at all.  As far as seeing someone in the astral, all you should have to do is state a clear desire to go to her and expect it to happen.  Sometimes it may take a few tries.  If you cannot get where you want with that, it is my belief that there is some reason why it is not in your best interest to go where you think you want to go.  The desires of our ego are not always in alignment with out higher good.

One thing I would like to mention although you might already know this: You can talk to your wife just by thinking of her strongly and talking to her in your mind.  This may sound cheesy, but I really believe this.

Again, I am very sorry for your loss and the pain I know you must be feeling.  God bless...

--Soulfire

[ThE_MaStEr_Of_PuPpEtS]

hmm now that ive read my post over. It dosent make as much sense as it did when i first thought of it. Must of been because i was just waking up lol[]

[Nagual]

Just wanted to add that, personaly, each time I met family members or passed away friends, they ended up being fake or negative entities hiding...  But maybe I am unlucky.

[kamil]

Yesterday my friend told that she dreamed about me wife. and she was crying... two days ago the same frien - with his husband... They are convinced that they saw her [ monika ] in the night, in their room. When i was talking to them - i've noticed that they are seriously afraid of something. I dont know...

Do You thing that because i think about her almost all the time which i have she cannot go "elsewhere"?

Kamil
"Im going mad soon"

[Soulfire]

quote:Originally posted by kamil

Do You thing that because i think about her almost all the time which i have she cannot go "elsewhere"?

Wherever she is and whatever she is doing and why, it is HER choice and not "caused" by you.  Your thoughts or actions cannot determine her actions unless she CHOOSES to allow herself to be influenced by you, in which case it is still her own responsibility.  You are not responsible for what she did in life or what she chooses to do now on the other side.  You are only responsible for your OWN decisions.

It's wonderful if you have loving thoughts about your wife or want to help her or tell her some things, but please be careful not to let your OWN life slip away in the meantime.  Your life and what you choose to do with it now are what you are responsible for.  There is plenty of help available to you, both from people here on this forum and from sources you may be less consciously aware of, but it IS there for you.  God bless...

--Soulfire

[kamil]

My wife committed suicide 31 days after wedding without any SERIOUS reason - it was 4 months ago. I found her, and her letter, where she wrote me that - "she will observe me, and she made it from love to me"... Letter is longer, but that two sentences are the most important. What worse - i dont understand that second one completely.

To this day I CANT STOP thinking about her, and day after day im more and more parted on two... First - i would like to live on, with hope that what i believe in will help me in find her on the "other side". And second - i desire to go to her instantly - "one step too far"... If i could use something like that.

I was talking to many experts, which explained me many things and i believe them. That, what is important - to Monika [ my wife's name ] was attached an negative entity, that she is free now and feels better than ever before...

AND MY QUESTION IS.
Is it possible to find her? I would like to hold her for a while... Not to ask questions, talk... Just to hold her... I feel that i stand before something, but i cant describe it... And i dont know what is it...

When i dream, and she comes to me i feel like nothing happened. This feeling is now the most beautiful experience which i could experience now, i think.

Kamil