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hereforhelp

Alright hello there I am 14 years old, Ive been reading a lot about astral projections and I saw a lot of people who said that "willingly astral projecting is dangerous because you don't have a guide with you". I've also seen someone who said he felt pinned down while in the astral plane and he could of died in his sleep etc. I've also saw a lot of people on youtube saying astral projecting is dangerous when you willingly do it.

Well I really want to do it, so I am going to use this one method I found on this other forum.
First I am going to lay down and relax, breathe in and breathe out until I am relaxed. (Do I close my eyes?)
Then I am going to focus on something, well I will focus on spongebob the cartoon. It says when ever your mind gets lost you are suppose to focus back onto that thing. Hmm, I will try to do this. So I will just keep focusing on spongebob imagining him as I close my eyes until I reach the The Hypnagogic State. Which I really don't understand, how do I know once I get here it says dreams begin to invade your point of focus once you get here. So when I get to this state I will clear my mind until I see completely black and stop thinking about spongebob. Then I will reach the vibration state. Do I wait till the vibration and tingling goes away then I do the seperation? (Imagine the roof is a magnet and it's pulling me up) Or do I do the separation during the vibration?

And how do I go back to my body when I want to?
And what happens if someone wakes my body up?
Are you SURE this isn't dangerous in any kind of way?
Alright, that's about it just please answer my questions and help me. Astral traveling sounds very exciting fun and better the watching television or playing games or what ever.

Astral316

Quote from: hereforhelp on March 23, 2011, 07:08:27
Alright hello there I am 14 years old, Ive been reading a lot about astral projections and I saw a lot of people who said that "willingly astral projecting is dangerous because you don't have a guide with you". I've also seen someone who said he felt pinned down while in the astral plane and he could of died in his sleep etc. I've also saw a lot of people on youtube saying astral projecting is dangerous when you willingly do it.

These people fail to know what they're talking about, unfortunately.

Quote from: hereforhelp on March 23, 2011, 07:08:27
Well I really want to do it, so I am going to use this one method I found on this other forum.
First I am going to lay down and relax, breathe in and breathe out until I am relaxed. (Do I close my eyes?)

It helps.

Quote from: hereforhelp on March 23, 2011, 07:08:27
Then I am going to focus on something, well I will focus on spongebob the cartoon. It says when ever your mind gets lost you are suppose to focus back onto that thing. Hmm, I will try to do this. So I will just keep focusing on spongebob imagining him as I close my eyes until I reach the The Hypnagogic State. Which I really don't understand, how do I know once I get here it says dreams begin to invade your point of focus once you get here.

You mean imagery, not dreams I'm assuming... you'll know because you'll be experiencing it. If you get excited or think about your progress at this point however, you'll likely lose your progress. It's tricky.

Quote from: hereforhelp on March 23, 2011, 07:08:27
So when I get to this state I will clear my mind until I see completely black and stop thinking about spongebob.

I'd continue thinking about spongebob at this point... I have a saying: "Go with what brought you to the trance."

Quote from: hereforhelp on March 23, 2011, 07:08:27
Then I will reach the vibration state. Do I wait till the vibration and tingling goes away then I do the seperation? (Imagine the roof is a magnet and it's pulling me up) Or do I do the separation during the vibration?

Vibrations don't happen for everyone so do away with this idea for now. If you make it through trance to the 3D blackness or pre-projection state you can either use the exit technique or continue focusing on sponge bob.. with the second option you may end up in some backwards version of Bikini Bottom though lol.

Quote from: hereforhelp on March 23, 2011, 07:08:27
And how do I go back to my body when I want to?
And what happens if someone wakes my body up?
Are you SURE this isn't dangerous in any kind of way?
Alright, that's about it just please answer my questions and help me. Astral traveling sounds very exciting fun and better the watching television or playing games or what ever.

You think of your body with the intent to return or you display too much emotion... excitement or fear being the main ones.

You return to your body.

It's not dangerous physically, though psychologically I can't speak for everyone.

Summerlander

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There's a lot of poo on youtube. Don't even bother to look for answers there. This is what I can tell you and it is the truth as far as I can tell first hand:

-Not dangerous.

-You don't need guides but you can get one if you want to which is probably manifested by you.

-Nobody has ever died from this. The cases of people dying in their sleep turned out to be caused by underlying health problems.

-Have your eyes closed at all times. Don't worry about vision. Vision comes later when you separate. You won't be using your physical eyes to see once in the OOBE-state if you catch my drift. Forget the physical body as you try to induce the experience.

-You can attempt separation during vibrations but I find it ideal to wait for them to peak and, as they die down, I roll over (starting from the head) and out. Rolling over and out (don't imagine movement, ACTUALLY do it) is the most effective method of separation in my opinion.

QuoteHow do I go back to my body when I want to?

You always do! Don't even think about getting back. Prolong your experience as much as you can because getting back is too easy and it can happen against your will. As you gain experience, there will be moments when you are enjoying yourself in the OOBE-state and suddenly you regain physical awareness. Getting back usually annoys me. :roll:

QuoteWhat happens if someone wakes my body up?

If someone touches you, your conscious awareness will immediately revert its focus back to the body where it is immediately required. Now, I'm gonna digress a little here but it is only for the sake of broadening your horizons and getting you to consider other perspectives. There's a theory that says our minds extend beyond the physical body. We are literally everywhere. It is just a question of where you are focusing which gives you the illusion that you are actually somewhere. Another way to look at this is that we are neither in nor out of the body regardless of whether we are asleep or awake. It's all about consciousness having focal points.

In 1st phase OOBEs (here-now projections), movement can be difficult because it is difficult to pinpoint where you actually are without a body. This type of projection is usually experienced from a floating consciousness perspective and you tend to mini-teleport or "mouse-trail" in your manoueuvres in an environment that looks exactly like the physical realm. At times you may manifest a shadowy/transparent body here which is unlike the "dream body" that resembles the physical one in astral projections. Objects here cannot be touched by you.

In 2nd phase OOBEs (astral projection) you enter slightly inaccurate replicas of your bedroom/house/the place you are inducing upon separation. They are metaphysical constructs unconsciously moulded by you from expectation. Moving away from these consctructs you seemingly encounter the worlds of others (while you can alter your own constructs, what seems to be that of others proves to be difficult or impossible to change). Movement here is fluid, easier to control, and you can walk, run, fly, glide etc. Objects here can be touched by you but you may go through them if you wish. It's like entering a dreamworld which emulates the physical and at times exceeds the physical world in quality. The crisp look of such meta-environments can give it a hyper-real quality and colours are usually brighter. Imagine something that exceeds a lucid dream in quality! You may even uncover what appears to be telepathic links here when you decide to visit people but that's a different story. I know I get carried away with giving away what I have found but I'd rather you found these things out for yourself.

QuoteAre you SURE this isn't dangerous in any kind of way?

100%! It isn't dangerous! Nothing can harm you! There are no entities out there to get you. The demons/monsters that one may experience are purely subjective and once faced for what they are, you will realise how fake they are and how much control you have over them. It is like when you become lucid in a nightmare! Your mind experiences this because it is capable of doing so and manifests these forms from the fear or the anger you may focus on. They are natural subjective elements from your psyche. Don't hate them, simply acknowledge that they are a part of you and something that your mind may require you to acknowledge so that you can move on. Another good analogy that indicates that demons don't exist but in your mind and cannot harm you in altered states of consciousness is that of the story of Buddha vs the demon Mara. Prince Gautama defeated Mara in his meditative state by realising that the demon was a part of himself (the devil in all of us). Once recognised for what the demon really was, it ceased to exist...

I've been reading The Tibetan Book of the Dead lately. It is interesting that in Buddhism, when someone dies and goes through the bardos of death, one may experience all manner of demons. Buddhism urges people not to fear these forms because they are hallucinations. Once you get past these forms you can move on. It teaches that they have no objective reality. What usually follows after this stage is that the deceased individual will peruse the non-physical realm of Sambhogakaya where you acquire mirage-like vision. This stage is very much akin to a lucid dream or astral projection. This is why I'm starting to think that OOBEs and dreams may serve as dress rehearsals for death. Anyway, I just thought I'd share this theory...

I repeat this: NOTHING can harm you during your out-of-body excursions! There is nothing out there to get you! The beings you meet are usually just as confused as you or just go about their business. Some are friendly, others are indifferent. I once had a fight with this man I met in an astral projection experience because he didn't like me (I think he was jealous). I tried to figure out whether he was a thought form of mine but he seemed sentient and didn't display the usual fake look or mannequin look that I see in my thought forms. We could not hurt each other in a fight! We kept bouncing off of each other. This is what happened:

http://astralviewers.com/summerlander-journal/the-temple-with-the-robots-(ap)/

QuoteAlright, that's about it just please answer my questions and help me. Astral traveling sounds very exciting fun and better the watching television or playing games or what ever.

Such altered states of consciousness allow you to perceive the wider reality. It's like tripping without taking psychedelic drugs. :-D