Observation of the Obvious

[Summerlander]

I'll tell you why I have not given you a warm welcome in AVers. Because there was an altercation between me and one of the Admins. Members displayed strong views for and against both sides. Me and him had been friends for some time and I hope that one day we may be able to rekindle our friendship. I think we let something stupid get blown out of proportion. In the end, the Site Owner banned me as he felt I was too much. It's a matter of opinion, really. Perhaps he was right for banning me at that time as I played my part in the conflict that ensued. In hindsight, it was a great misunderstanding (or at least I'd like to think so). I have no regrets though. I put it down to experience and perhaps the AVers staff may give me the opportunity for reconciliation in the future...or perhaps not.

So there you have it. That's why I have not giving you any sort of welcome on AVers. Have fun mocking me on that respect if that gives you a sense of retribution.

[ether2]

I'll tell you why I have not given you a warm welcome in AVers. Because there was an altercation between me and one of the Admins. Members displayed strong views for and against both sides. Me and him had been friends for some time and I hope that one day we may be able to rekindle our friendship. I think we let something stupid get blown out of proportion. In the end, the Site Owner banned me as he felt I was too much. It's a matter of opinion, really. Perhaps he was right for banning me at that time as I played my part in the conflict that ensued. In hindsight, it was a great misunderstanding (or at least I'd like to think so). I have no regrets though. I put it down to experience and perhaps the AVers staff may give me the opportunity for reconciliation in the future...or perhaps not.

So there you have it. That's why I have not giving you any sort of welcome on AVers. Have fun mocking me on that respect if that gives you a sense of retribution.

honesty hay... we see the lighter side of SL, did'nt think it was their
i wont mock ya man, i only like mocking ya because ya got ya back up
that way ya don't get all teary on us

good luck

love all

[Summerlander]

"Teary"? Who's getting teary? Unless you think what we have been talking about is cause to be teary. I didn't know you had a sentimental side, ether2. This is surprising seen as most of your posts are about you telling everyone how much you are right and everyone is wrong. Hmmm...interesting.

[ether2]

Joke

good luck

love all

[Stookie_]

Countless possibilities. Why not validate on the Astral?

Validating in the astral is not an action either, especially when considering how subjective it can be. The astral is not separate from the physical. When you want something to take place in the physical, you can't rely on the astral alone. You have to work also from the physical. You can tell more about a person's astral abilities by how they handle themselves physically. People who rely on the astral for important matters don't accomplish much physically. A lot of talk, maybe some good stories, but no action or change.

[GodsProxy]

You people (Ether and a few other conscious posters, excepted) are all so nasty and hostile. I'll take Love any day, thank you.

Its lovely to feel Love inside your heart and your soul. That's when you know there is hope for you in the future because you got Spiritual Warriors like myself and Ether fighting for your souls. Sorry, I don't feel like posting intelligently today. A few glasses of wine and a nice meal in my tummy

Love you all,

GP

[GodsProxy]

Hi Stookie, The day you see physical proof will be the day the defenses of this trap have been defeated and we have conclusively won.
Until then, please be advised that logical "proof" on the level of this reality is against the Laws of the Trap.
"Astral" is reality and "reality" is a step-down transformer for a spirit to soften him up to make him into a PME (programmed machine entity, see The Pilot's Super Scientology as a reference), or more likely, to give you a context to dream about while you're hallucinating in T. "T" is the popular acronym for torture BTW.
DT = Death Torture. Lovely planet this is.
I"m surprised this forum puts up with all the whiners who reply to my posts (Stookie, this excludes you BTW, you're giving valuable criticism), they're clearly here to obscure the truth or promote Ether and myself, I'm still trying to make up my mind which
Sorry to speak so frankly and openly, must be the wine ....

some good stories, but no action or change.

[Xanth]

How convenient for you... *sigh*

[GodsProxy]

The reason no-one can see the truth is because it is staring at you, right in front of your eyes.
You don't question it because that's the way it has been, and that's the way it will always be. We just cannot conceive of any other way to live, because frankly, we don't have a context for it.
If you question the most basic, basic, basic things, throw away your preconceptions, and stop agreeing with the masses, then you have no choice but to arrive at the same conclusions.
This is the only proof possible, a sense of knowingness based on the facts at hand.
I'm asking you all to give this reality a trial-by-jury, a jury that hasn't been prejudiced. You might be surprised at the conclusions you come to.
When you ask what actions I am taking, I am raising awareness. I have also fought spiritual battles but you can't get away from it: in the end, the people here have to take responsibility for their own mess and sort it out on the physical. If you're asking for objective proof in a death trap, sorry, people who set up a death trap don't set it up so it can be defeated that easily. Its a law that filters down from the higher planes: anything supernatural you witness firsthand can only be fact for yourself and you alone; it will naturally have "logical" explanations when you are on the "plate". Frustrating but true.
Who needs proof?
If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.

[Xanth]

Again... how convenient.

[Stookie_]

When you ask what actions I am taking, I am raising awareness.

Raising awareness is just talking. You raise money and make TV commercials and youtube speeches and nothing changes. It's politics and propaganda. It reminds me of Pat Robertson. It's your personal politics, with LOVE printed on the top, and you're expecting everyone else to go along with the propaganda. No real action towards any goals. You say others aren't contributing anything worth while, but read back through all your posts here and try to find some content that others can work with. All I basically see is "love". I love that guy in Africa who is starving. He's still hungry.

[Summerlander]

You hit the nail on the head, Stookie.

[CFTraveler]

You say others aren't contributing anything worth while,

This struck me funny, because he can't possibly know what any of us contribute to our world, but it didn't stop him from saying it.

[GodsProxy]

So why don't you own up? I've told you what I'm doing, and why I am doing it. Worthy cause, if its true? You would do the same if you were in my shoes.

This struck me funny, because he can't possibly know what any of us contribute to our world, but it didn't stop him from saying it.

[GodsProxy]

I know I've been begging from the start, but could we possibly discuss the content of what I am posting instead of why or whether I should be posting here?

[Astral316]

So why don't you own up? I've told you what I'm doing, and why I am doing it. Worthy cause, if its true? You would do the same if you were in my shoes.

Some people don't feel the need to brag about good deeds because then they become no more than a vehicle for ego stroking. But you want proof? Why don't you do what you expect us to do... take it on faith.

[GodsProxy]

Astral316: Not relevant whether you do good deeds or not. Here is the point:
If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.
These and other points of obnosis are under discussion, not whether you do good deeds or not.
The funniest thing is, I post using only logic, compassion and love. Yes love. Want me to say it a hundred times? Not for you, but for people who I love. You "guys" counter-posting using emotional language, accusations, etc, dripping with fear and loathing.
I carefully back everything I have up with logic. What's actually got your guys goat up? I mean I seem to be missing something here.

[Astral316]

If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.

And it can't be verified. So what? Deadlock. There's nothing to talk about here. Widespread poverty and violence doesn't make this world the literal/biblical hell which is described to be very different from this reality. I didn't prove you wrong, your buddy Logic did.

[GodsProxy]

And your defensive/attacking style proved me right, in every case. Nothing to talk about? Who says? I'm raising some issues to talk about.
Your logic chain is once again flawed. You're playing russian roulette with your soul if you continue on in this line of logic.
Because you're hostile towards me, doesn't make the points I'm raising, invalid.
You must stop reacting in an emotional manner to my posts, and react to the content of the posts instead.
Ok, so lets carry on, since in a weird way, I'm getting through to you. You agreed 100% with my statement. There is a point after this. It is simply, we are in year 2011, I'm posting to a bunch of advanced astral travelers. We can't verify where we go, so yes, our immortal souls are at risk.
So what? Well, lets stop arguing, put our differences aside, and start again.
So what, you don't know where you go when you die? I argue, that is the formula for knowing when you're in a death trap = state of emergency. So what? Lets put our differences aside and save our asses. So what? Well, I've proven my point already due to the sustained interest in my posts. So what? Well, lets start saving our asses, that's what. Think I know everything? Think again. So what? I'm trying to save our asses, thats what. So what? Because I like life. Carry on?

And it can't be verified. So what? Deadlock. There's nothing to talk about here. Widespread poverty and violence doesn't make this world the literal/biblical hell which is described to be very different from this reality. I didn't prove you wrong, your buddy Logic did.

[Astral316]

We can't verify where we go, so yes, our immortal souls are at risk.

That's a reason why we train to control our minds/emotions, meditate, and experience the spirit world through projection. If I can control where I end up, I'm not worried. If I can't and we're all destined for hell, then I guess we're all destined for hell... why worry about something you can't change? If being a good person and having above average mind control doesn't buy me a decent afterlife, nothing will. I'll never adopt your beliefs though, because in the likelihood that they're not true I don't wish to needlessly taint my post-death experience with negative thoughts of Satan and demons. So can you see how your information, your "truth" doesn't affect me or anyone else that practices OBE?

[Summerlander]

If you don't know where you go when you die, you're taking a massive risk with your immortal soul. Look at that argument. It cannot be refuted.

Well, it can't be refuted but it can be disputed on the grounds that there is no proof of an afterlife whatsoever let alone proof of real hells populated by sentient demons exist.

Besides, I guess I'm not taking a big risk with my soul and neither is anyone because we all know where we are going...the ground where the worms live...

You on the other hand are taking a big risk with your state of mind by being fearful of demons.

[GodsProxy]

Yes, you make some interesting points. Very, very usual, standard, run of the mill, thought processes. Very modern and hip. So thought one of us , so thought us all, including myself.
I beg to disagree with you on some key points. Those are the points of Life or death.
Even as controlled as you are, you still don't know for sure where you going where you die.
You hop skip and jump and evade each of my most critical points.

If I can't and we're all destined for hell, then I guess we're all destined for hell... why worry about something you can't change?

Who says you can't change it? Did you remove the emotional part out of "hell" before you replied? Did you carefully weigh up each word you wrote, to influence people emotionally not to consider my most critical points? I disagree whole heartedly with you. If I am destined for hell, I surely intend to change it!! My goodness, what were you thinking when you typed that "why worry about something you can't change? " - Nope. Not a good idea, very common method of thinking on this planet. Usually fatally flawed.
"I can't do anything about world hunger." - fatally flawed.
Thus, and similarly, "I can't do anything about going to hell" - fatally flawed.
"They fear he brought down a curse" - you think by thinking about it you're going to create it. Ha ha. Inference is I sent you there. Nice subtle one.
Summarizes the apathy we are experiencing on this planet.
A message of love, hope and lets work together!
So, we're getting to the 6-page dead lock marker where lock-me-down is a comin', sooner rather than later.
I get one or two hits on my site after my post, when an Astral316 posts, then the hits subside. Its cat and mouse people! - We've already gone through ALL this stuff. Throw away your emotional responses and use logic only. We're all in a bad way. Now 316 will reply and then agreement shifts back to him. Why do you think they keep on responding?

That's a reason why we train to control our minds/emotions, meditate, and experience the spirit world through projection. If I can control where I end up, I'm not worried. If I can't and we're all destined for hell, then I guess we're all destined for hell... why worry about something you can't change? If being a good person and having above average mind control doesn't buy me a decent afterlife, nothing will. I'll never adopt your beliefs though, because in the likelihood that they're not true I don't wish to needlessly taint my post-death experience with negative thoughts of Satan and demons. So can you see how your information, your "truth" doesn't affect me or anyone else that practices OBE?

[Summerlander]

Even as controlled as you are, you still don't know for sure where you going where you die.

I just told you...the ground...food for worms if you are not cremated.

[Astral316]

Forget the emotional manipulation garbage please. It's not needed... free thinkers will come to their own conclusions. You don't need to play guesswork with my intentions.

Who says you can't change it?

Note the qualifier... *if* I can't avoid a torturous afterlife by being a good person or controlling my mind, what will allow me to? Humor me, please.

[GodsProxy]

Emotional manipulation garbage... sorry dude, that's your specialty.  "How to, etc": Yeah right, like you're interested in my response.
Just more thread filler , thread killer.
You're right on one point: People will make up their own minds.
People: They are intentionally filling these threads up with garbage. I've said it before, I'll say it again. Don't bother about anything written below the four dots written below. Look at all the evidence before. Look at the countless posts attacking me. Look at my logical and level headed replies. Look at the way they respond to every point.

They have lost this argument way back.

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Ok, only kidding. But seriously, they are just killing this thread. Doing a good job. Hope this reaches someone's ears who wants to live.

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You only got this chance through the barest, barest, improbability gap of remotely infinite chance that someone would think these thoughts in this day and age... they are very  uncommon thoughts.... and its the truth.... we're all in a matter/spirit trap in a declining spiral where you will try to 'hide'... then down the scale to 'can't hide'.... it gets nasty... see advanced spiritual thinkers like Geoffrey Filbert's tone scale. BTW, I'm not the only nut on this planet who knows the truth. Others do to.

Note the qualifier... *if* I can't avoid a torturous afterlife by being a good person or controlling my mind, what will allow me to? Humor me, please.