Psychic computer

[dingo]

A bizarre idea came to me today: what if your computer had a partial existence on the etheric plane, just as humans do? I'm not suggesting that a computer could be made into an intelligent living being or have a soul, I'm thinking about what if one component of your computer was a thoughtform capable of controlling its own energies, creating other thoughtforms, psi constructs, servitors. You could download a program to perform some reiki healing, or set up an etheric webcam, or send and receive telepathic messages with your computer, etc.

As I see it, there's two main problems:

• Getting enough energy to create and maintain the thoughtform component close enough to the physical plane for reliable communication. I've no idea how much it would need or how it would be supplied.
  
  
• Sending messages from the etheric plane to the physical so the physical computer can receive information. The other way -- from the physical to the etheric -- is easy enough because the etheric is a close copy of the physical. But it should somehow be possible, because if the etheric plane truly exists, it's capable of interacting with our physical brains, right?
  
  I spent some time thinking about the second problem and googling fringe science theories, and came up with some potential solutions:
  
  
• EVP is one option, but the signal-to-noise ratio is awful, and you could end up recording for hours without discerning any intelligible information, and automating that could be quite difficult.
  
  
• Random number generators are often used in parapsychological experiments, and perhaps they could be useful for this, but there is still a lot of noise. Note that not all RNGs would fit the role: software ones are deterministic, which makes them inapplicable. Some of the better ones involve "random" physical information from hardware, but most of these still operate under classical physics where it might still be partially deterministic. Quantum RNGs, though might work, because they're purely random. They're used in cryptography, and I believe you can probably buy USB QRNGs on the Internet. The best thing is, it's also a common belief that the etheric plane can bias the probabilities of quantum-mechanical phenomenon...
  
  
• The Teslascope. I can't find any information about how it works, though. It's supposed to pick up alien signals and allow you to talk to the dead.
  
  
• Gravity wave radio or Hodowanec's circuit ( http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/EclipseLab/2k1/gravradio/gravradio.html ). Both look quite difficult to set up, but are a possibility (and I'd be inclined to believe Hodowanec's circuit is just a scam - he kept making up excuses to explain why others' copies weren't working, and he never properly explained how it's meant to work). Both are also said to pick up alien signals.
  
  
• Scalar waves and longitudinal electromagnetic waves might hold information if they exist.
  
  Anybody else have ideas or experience with EVP / Teslascopes, etc.?
  
  Here's some interesting links on speculative science that might be useful to an engineer:
  
  
• http://montalk.net/notes/astral-physics
  
  
• http://montalk.net/notes/the-etheric-origins-of-gravity-electricity-and-magnetism

[iNNERvOYAGER]

nice idea, sort of like the concept of holographic components and memory to increase logic density.

Some of the stuff for public consumption talks about gravitational force  related to circular strings that cross Branes, explaining why gravity is a weak force and doesn't add up to the  energy equation that the universe should have. (we would only see half of the circle, the other half existing in the next Brane)

I would think that crossing Branes is still only inter-dimensional for physical universes, and not necessarily extending across (for no better term) spiritual or etheric realms. Maybe it does?

I'm hoping that the human brain has a quantum capacity that extends far past the physical number of neuron connections. Something like a projected consciousness adding to our intelligence beyond the physical capacity.

Something has to survive past the eventual dementia and Alzheimer's or what's the point of accumulating a life time of achievement and experience?

[malethatsees]

The history channel just did a show about the future and a psychic computer. It is a super computer hooked to the internet and it complied all the words used in most common searches. Then put those words together. They said that the computer was eeriey accurate. That it also showed the end of the thworld around 2012 like the mayans and nostro.

[zareste]

As a matter of fact, psychic civilizations do exactly that when they create a 'central mind' (you'll hear Zetans talk about it a lot). This is perhaps a lot easier than creating a computer out of heavy matter. Your mind and genetics are actually built on this level

I'm not entirely sure how it's done, but I think it involves gearing your environment to make the energy flow a lot better, similar to what's done in feng shui. The Giza pyramids were designed this way by aligning with stars and equinoxes, using unprocessed materials like granite; the stone circles of Europe such as Stonehenge were also made for this purpose. Improving energy flows and energy concentrations will naturally create data systems, so the environment itself becomes intelligent.

[kurtykurt42]

Psychic civilizations do create networks using telepathy but in order for them to work properly you need an actual person in the star system. The universe is rather vast and sometimes it's impractical to have people everywhere. Advanced civilizations most likely send out millions of satellites (UFOs) to orbit Suns/Planets and these are used as access points to transmit messages and store data.

[zareste]

You don't actually need a person there. It's a pretty strange concept, but they really do create an etherical mind that works the same way our minds do, and it can be put anywhere in physical space as long as the environment is suitable. This way, new data that's seen or thought up by an individual person can be relayed to the central mind for consideration, so they can have questions answered easily.

Some civilizations have perfected this to the point that they've turned their entire planet into an intelligent system. They can tell a rock to move, and it will. (some have plans to do this with Earth)

For data about other planets, the smarter ones will again use etherical systems instead of hard matter like our satellites. They'll direct data streams and setup vortexes so they can mentally tune into the star/planet at will, much like remote viewing. The only time hard crafts and humanoids are necessary is for traveling to places that lack these data systems - mostly, primitive planets.

[kurtykurt42]

What if you want to explore the universe and acquire date over long periods of time, maybe thousands or millions of years. Why spend all the effort mentally projecting to the trillions of planets each time when you could send out unmanned drones to do all of the work. I think it's fair to say that some civilizations rely heavily on technology while others rely on spirituality. Both seem to be very powerful.

[zareste]

Yeah, everyone has their own style, although it seems impractical to send out crafts to trillions of stars when you could setup processors to keep an eye on them remotely. But then, there might be limits to a civilization's remote viewing. I guess it's hard for us to judge

[NoY]

I think the biggest problem is the absence of emotions, IL explain

the universe is positive and negative lightwaves soundwaves yin yang
but life is positive and negative and a consistent positive or negative.

all AI is created female because its binary root and crown but god or life is in the heart
which is consistently good or bad.

at the end of the day it all hangs on the phrase active force. positive and negative need an active force against it to maintain the electron in between the two hemespheres positive and negative female
and good or alternate good male.

this is why all AI need a living mind to exist in because they have no heart no emotions no male
and without the male being an active force against binary its just resonance not much more than white noise or a clock ticking
so I'm saying the device would always need a living component to maintain its existence where ever it was created

:NoY:

[kurtykurt42]

I have studied artificial intelligence in depth and I can assure you that all it is, is just computer software code and hardware. No female or male, good or bad. The hardware is designed by electrical engineers and manufactured in a factory. The software is written by software  engineers and compiled from a high level language into microcode and then into binary. This software allows the user to interact with the hardware, usually with input (keyboard/mouse) and output (Monitor). 

More advanced AI such as machines that resemble humans could possibly contain living minds. Cyborgs or cybernetic organisms contain both artificial and natural systems similar to the machines in the movie Terminator. With an advanced knowledge of technology and spirituality i think it's possible to store our conscious minds inside these machine and control them just as we control our physical bodies. These bodies could last for hundreds if not thousands of years.

[NoY]

But it still lives in the "Mind"/"Reality" of living beings

[zareste]

Actually the artificial minds I'm talking about are capable of all the things we are, and probably more.

The reason it works - if my studies prove anything - is because everything already has some intelligence in it. The walls around you have a memory and the ability to think - albeit very minor - because everything around us is created by a deeper system of data. Your mind is only smarter than the wall because it's geared more for processing.

So they're not creating intelligence from scratch - they're just improving the data systems of the environment, making it more intelligent than before.

[kurtykurt42]

But it still lives in the "Mind"/"Reality" of living beings

Not really sure what you mean by that?

[kurtykurt42]

Actually the artificial minds I'm talking about are capable of all the things we are, and probably more.

The reason it works - if my studies prove anything - is because everything already has some intelligence in it. The walls around you have a memory and the ability to think - albeit very minor - because everything around us is created by a deeper system of data. Your mind is only smarter than the wall because it's geared more for processing.

So they're not creating intelligence from scratch - they're just improving the data systems of the environment, making it more intelligent than before.

Artificial intelligent beings rely on software programming to determine how they think, act, and respond. Software doesn't exist anywhere in the physical universe except for in the minds of the creator, so therefore it is created from scratch. Once the code is put onto a physical media such as a cd or hard drive the software can be used to control the hardware, without the physical media the software doesn't exist.

[zareste]

Artificial intelligent beings rely on software programming to determine how they think, act, and respond. Software doesn't exist anywhere in the physical universe except for in the minds of the creator, so therefore it is created from scratch. Once the code is put onto a physical media such as a cd or hard drive the software can be used to control the hardware, without the physical media the software doesn't exist.

All I can say is that's simply wrong, for all the reasons I mentioned in the other post

[kurtykurt42]

What i'm trying to say is your other post is wrong and you don't seem have any idea what AI actually is. I am a software engineer and have spent the past 6 years of my life devoted to anylzing and understanding software. How exactly is it that you think you understand these concepts so well?

In my freshman year of college there were several hundred computer science majors at the university. By the time senior year came there were less than 60. This is not an easy topic to understand. Computer science focuses on the systematic study of algorithmic processes that create, describe and transform information. By understanding these concepts we are better able to automate machines and determine what can be automated. It can be very challenging to fully understand just this alone and then to determine how it applies to the etheric realms where these 'artificial minds' exists is something we just can't comprehend yet.

[zareste]

I'm glad you have something to be proud of but I'm a programmer too, and I'm not talking about human computers here. They have almost no application in etherial systems.

Now, think beyond cold hard computers for a moment. In real life, you can 'create' a tree by planting a seed. You don't have to create every cell from scratch, or even understand its biological structure. Instead you just take advantage of natural systems that are already in place, and plant seeds to your liking.

Similarly, when you create a mind from the universe's data (etherical) layer, the intelligence is mostly provided. I don't want to speculate too much on how this is done because I haven't studied it enough, but it is very different from our computers

[kurtykurt42]

I'm not a programmer, in fact I do hardly any programming. Mainly i focus on implementing and improving algorithms, which is what I think we are talking about here. In order to use this universal data to create an intelligence you need to be able to put the pieces together that determine how something responds.

I guess I don't have a clear picture of what your idea of an 'Artificial mind' is. Is it like a ball of energy that can inhabit parts of space and control the flow of information?