Question about lower astral beings and demons.

[Bedeekin]

I am no longer interested in arguing about demons and religious significance. Nice description and reply... but these discussions are circular and looping.

You believe in a biblical explanation.

I don't.

It's really as simple as that.

I love religious stories... of most religions. The Hindu religion is so colourful.... and so much less sin and guilt ridden. The Mayan religion is amazing... full of spirits that are attributed to nearly every rock, plant, animal and weather-type... the same goes for pagan religions and wicca. Greek mythology... roman... Norse. All have their place within the nonphysical.

Anyway...

The outcome of this is that when exploring the nonphysical you can call on me and others like me to help because after-all... they obviously have no power over us. 

[desert-rat]

I wanted to post this link .  Its by Robert Bruce , he believes in demons and that crossing water will stop them . http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?8549-Psychic-Security-(Robert-Bruce)    It is my understanding that his site got hacked creating some of the problems with the text .       desert rat
p.s. I think there all kind of critters out there ,ghosts , left over energy from humans ,      human made thought forms , demons , elementals , ect.  

[majour ka]

Allow me to add another perspective to this, please, for all of the people that truly believe demons do not exist.

Have you ever had a conversation with someone who truly believed AP was completely false? They say things such as, "It's all in your head," or, "Ha, you just want attention," or even," It's only because you're tricking your brain."

They say this because they haven't experienced it and therefore they rely on what they have heard from others, and as this is their only source of information and, after all, we are human, they tend to lean more towards the ideas that clash the least with their own preconceived notions.

Apply this to negative entities and most of you are just as close minded as those people. I hope none of you ever have to deal with this, but yes, demons are real. I'll put it bluntly since I feel I've already explained my viewpoint in previous posts. You're naive to think otherwise and quite frankly, I'm getting fed up with the way this board treats those that believe or have experienced demons.

PS: Yeah, demons have caused deaths and disfigured people. Ask a priest with experience or research it yourself. There is even a case, as recorded by a skeptic, a bystander, and an exorcist, where a woman started speaking in multiple voices at the same time, broke both of her wrists because she was restrained, and then an object flew across the room and struck the priest performing the exorcism in the back of the head resulting in a concussion. Have you ever been into space? No. Does that mean that people going into space is just a load of BS? No.

I'm sorry for the rant, but I got myself worked up.

Not to mention that saying 'people that believe get attacked/pursued and the people that don't believe are fine' is simply logic. If someone doesn't believe, but then they get attacked or have an experience, of course they will believe then!

Possession is a myth.
Sitting to allow another consciousness to blend and share your space is difficult and takes a long time , since our minds automatic response is to reject it as it is opposing natural universal law. I have sat for trance mediumship to allow the spirit people that want to work with me for trance healing, speaking and evidential contact with their loved ones by speaking through and control my movements here for several years. Theres no demons or evil spirits. But there is the human imagination and psychological response to that fear and belief, which could potentially manifest as psychosis as an extreme that may seem like possession. I havent seen any evidance to make me think otherwise. If possessions where real where is the footage ? I sit alone in my house to develop my deeper blend with the spirit world. No problems at all  Love and peace Majour.

[Mr.Flip]

im not just trying to narrow it down to a specific entity coming from christian perspective (u dont even know if im christian or not), point is here and in china bad is bad and good is good , like i said if these feelings are merely chemical reactions then why is it these beings cant exist, in actual flesh and blood, majour ka's post is also nice because yes one's own mind is powerful enough to posses itself, its called a Lie, a majority of cases out there are just people so dellusional or extremely, well, in a bad state of mind that they become their own possesers

you throw the subject into an automatic conclusion of no, when everyday in life there are perfect exampls of real devils, real demons that need to be dealt with

you too have seen this everyday in the living world
some people are happy and grateful just because and others are angry and bitter, some dont care, and some care but aren't urged at all
others dont believe in such things and search everyday for proof to easy their thoughtful mind, and some believe but ignore it completely and forget about values and respect, morals, other don't and still deny
bible and qur'an stories, are nice stories but they talk about the same thing, if you've never encountered such thing then why cant another be living proof of its existence, some people go their whole lives never being in a conflict, and others just cant seem to get rid of it

its ironic but their is no religion at all they are just all fan clubs of the same force, different parties in a race for your vote!

[desert-rat]

Alister Crowley is said to have summend up a being that he could not fully banish .  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alister_Crowley    He moved and left the being , why mess with them if there not real ?   desert rat

[Bedeekin]

Because some people think they are real and so they mess with them?

[Szaxx]

If you make a mess, make sure you know how to clean it up.
Wise words.

[desert-rat]

"Mess with " may of been a poor choice of words on my part .  It would imply doing something foolish . Crowley may of done a lot of wild things , but for the most part he knew what he was doing .  He summend a being that he could not full banish , so they are real and its best to know what you are doing .  Crowley moved leaving the being behind for some one else to deal with , or maby its still there .  desert rat

[Bedeekin]

Reminds me of a Tibetan Tulpa.

"In mysticism, a tulpa is the concept of a being or object which is created through sheer discipline alone. It is a materialized thought that has taken physical form and is usually regarded as synonymous to a thoughtform"

[desert-rat]

All , or most of us create thought forms , or tulpas with out knowing .  I guess you would need to find that being that Crowley summoned , and see if it had a conscious .   It is possable that Crowley did just put some of his energy in to a thought form .  I would think that would be gone by now .   desert rat 

[Bedeekin]

They say that Bigfoot is a Tulpa.  Whoever they are.

[desert-rat]

On big foot http://www.bfro.net/   I have some other ideas .  Thoes that have had close encounters with him/her say he/she smells bad . I dont think a tulpa would have a smell to it . One idea of mine is that big foot is really shape shifting humans .  A few people that know how to shape shift get togher , go out in the woods and form a group of big foots .  desert rat  
p.s. A post started by me on Pavlina on big foot http://www.stevepavlina.com/forums/psychic-paranormal/52003-big-foot.html   

[Bedeekin]

Haha

Maybe the Bigfoot/sasquatch/abominable snowmen are just an undiscovered species... that my be a little bit more likely than shape-shifting humans.

I'm out on the bigfoot thing. I don't believe nor disbelieve.

[Mr.Flip]

my theory for that still stands, it was just UDM unidentified drunk man
large animals are living beings too, so that means they can get lost lol and wander off into the unfamiliar territories
Crowley? well not too much i can say there, my 2cents, this being was just another living form of hate, some ppl just never want to give up, consciousness must be weird at that state, mainly just override of angered passion and impulse