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Frostytraveler

I fully understand and see your point Adrian. I definitely don't want to upset people either.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

LightBeam

I think that when we enter our chosen characters and main themes within a given play, we also preload to that character certain set of beliefs to match the theme and the stage settings. For example we created collectively this particular reality we are currently focused on with certain "rules" such as gravity, aging, body limitations, amount of knowledge, etc. These rules were accepted as true and so we create the applicable experiences. Technically nothing is impossible, BUT the condition is ONLY if you truly believe so. Now, I have always known this, however, I also know how existence works and the purposes of different playgrounds and their settings, so I know that as a human I CANNOT convince myself for example that junk food and sugar is not harmful to the physical body. Believe me I have tried so many times to convince myself and change my belief knowing the general rule that nothing is impossible and it is just a matter of belief, but I could not. And I came to this realization and that it is ok to keep testing and trying to challenge ourselves as characters to defy the preset rules. I think this is part of the fun entering simulations. So, we have created paths to least resistance to achieve things. Meaning if we can not fly or teleport with our bodies, we have created machines to transport us. If we are not aware and do not know/believe that we can heal ourselves we have created medicine, etc. You get the idea. It's just a part of the game. But to me that's fascinating. So, I decided not to waste time to continue trying changing my belief about food and took the path of least resistance to achieve health and wellness and follow clean eating and exercising.

If anyone truly believes anything without any doubt and they are consciously aware of their belief/it's like knowing and no one can convince them otherwise, then they create such circumstances that avoid the opposite of their belief. We have all heard stories about "my grandpa eat bacon and smoked all his life and and he lived to be 100 without any health issues". Well, he must have chosen to enter his character with these beliefs and certain dna expressions that made his body stronger than an average person,  and no scientific "evidence" of the opposite could ever convince him, so good for grandpa. But this is an example how one size does not fit all. Believe it what you do, but you experience applicable circumstances. If this is truly realized, one can take it to the next level and start playing with analyzing, adjusting, changing beliefs consciously to test what happens. I can see these patterns clearly within my own life and it's fun to play that game. 

"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

Frostytraveler

An interesting video from The Why Files on Simulation Theory:

"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

LightBeam

To me simulation is pretty evident. I don't like to use the word illusion because our definition of illusion suggests something that does not exit. But everything that can be imagined exists. However, simulation does make sense to me because the experience of the simulation IS REAL, no doubt. Simulation is something set up and programmed for specific experiences. Our natural state is in high frequency spirit form. This is real at least in my opinion. Smaller compartmentalization are simulations. We as humans are mimicking these simulations in smaller scales through our theater,  tv shows, movies, book stories, video games, theme park rides, etc. We are creating this because we have that intuitive deep knowledge (maybe not consciously aware).

A few days ago while I was walking something interesting occurred and I felt truly I was in a video game. I found myself on a cross road with 4 streets. On that cross road there was me as a single female, there was single male, there was  a pair of 2 females, a pair of two males and a pair of a male and a female. It was only us at that moment on that cross road, no one else. But I clearly saw the basic blocks of the coding. The 0s and 1s in the basic parings from which all other more complex coding is created. That was pretty cool to observe. I just felt for a moment how my spirit is lifting above that scene and is looking at the building blocks of a game from a higher perspective. I even stopped walking because for that moment my focus became different, like I had to pause the game.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

LightBeam

I want to clarify that a simulation should not be insignified by any means, but perhaps human ego interprets it as something less, as something that does not exist and it threatens its survivorship and validity. But it's just the opposite. It's a great toll for learning. Knowing that this life is a simulation makes challenges less challenging and scary, you understand the "drama" and its necessity, but on the other had makes positive events feel even grander.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

Tak

I just wanted to say that I think the topic of healthy food is very important, especially our most essential element, water. I haven't had time to watch the video yet, but I appreciate what you've shared here, as it's prompted me to research deeper on this today.

In my country, our government-run water utility company releases an annual report detailing the components in our water supply. If they're not misleading us, it meets all safety parameters except for arsenic, which is slightly elevated at 50 mc/l when it should be no more than 10 mc/l. Although this harmful component is not distributed equally and depends on the areas, where it's more concentrated instead of others.
Where I live, they claim tap water is safe, and arsenic levels are low, but I am not sure, I don't know whether to belive. Therefore, I'll investigate water filters and consider sending a sample for analysis. I just boil the tap water, the doctors here say it's safe, but I don't know if it's true.

One of my bigest life dreams is to live outside the city, cultivate my own organic garden, and lead an alternative, eco-friendly, healthy, and more human lifestyle connected to nature. Although I reside in a big city, I strive to practice my principles daily through recycling and living healthily.
I loved Lightbeam's example of the grandfather eating bacon and smoking... here the people tell the same stories. I'd add that the grandpa also enjoys whiskey, lol. Life is uncertain. Just as we have the grandfather living to 100 with that lifestyle, I've heard stories of health-conscious individuals who exercise, eat well, meditate, and still pass away young under mysterious circumstances. So, everything remains uncertain. As I have read it has more to do with what was established by our Higher Self and our mission here. But well, I'll do my best.

This information did not seem alarmist to me at all, on the contrary, I thank you because today I learned new things and it made me more aware. :-)
.~Exploring the Wonders of Consciousness~.

tides2dust

Quote from: Frostytraveler on November 09, 2024, 18:03:30An interesting video from The Why Files on Simulation Theory:


Great episode of the Why Files.

I can't believe I am a sucker for many of those mandalla effects.
Like, "Mirror mirror on the wall"
Or the monopoly man with a monocle.

Yes, what is the difference between Gods plan and living in a simulation? Great question.

The UB seems to elaborate on this with a type of hierarchy that blows my mind. I don't understand it.

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Per y'alls conversation... I wonder if these great masters that could dissimilate their physical bodies by will figured out some way out of the simulation.

I also recall a story of a guru who told his followers to be vegetarian. The followers were shocked when their guru was eating meat. To make them feel assured he proceeded to eat a bowl of nuts and bolts and was unharmed. He explained to his disciples that the material he consumed didn't matter, and that he was there helping them understand the nature of 'reality.'

Babaji could teleport his followers and even create imagery by thought alone.

I suppose I agreed to participate in all of this to some extent, but I do feel there is a higher intelligence- whoever/whatever is helping me break free from the simulation, gradually... and most assuredly.

I also recall stories of monks who could levitate, communicate via telepathy, interact with inter-dimensional beings and survive off nothing but a green elixir.

There's more for us to discover~

Adrian

Quote from: Tak on November 09, 2024, 21:43:27This information did not seem alarmist to me at all, on the contrary, I thank you because today I learned new things and it made me more aware. :-)

I absolutely understand what you are saying Tak, and I am happy the information presented was helpful to you.

There is however a fine line between being alarmist and being educational, which is down to the way information is presented. There are numerous people out there, especially for example on Youtube who are presenting what they think is informational, but in a very alarmist, even fearful way. They probably do not even realise they are doing it. The reason for this is that they constantly want more subscribers, more views more ad revenue etc, and they have learned the best way of achieving this is by being sensationalist and scaring people, which completely negates the message and has the opposite effect.

I have suggested before that one of the simplest ways towards more peace and mental stability is to never watch, listen to or read what the mainstream media call "the news" which is almost always negative and never uplifting. This impacts the mental health and stability of people at a very deep level. Same applies to movies, especially in the last 20 or 30 years or so. People may say "it is just a movie, it is not real" without realising the impact in impressing the subconscious mind and influencing health at all levels. And the same again applies to most modern video games which are also influencing children.

The harsh reality is that we live in a world - which as LightBeam shared is really just a "simulation" - where money, greed and power are often valued much more than human health and welfare, the food and medical industries being notable examples. If you think water is toxic, it is relatively insignificant compared to packaged fast and processed food, sugar etc.. And even in writing this it could be construed as being alarmist.

The Light is infinitely more powerful than the dark. We can take a light into a dark room and illuminate it, but it is impossible to take darkness into a light room and make it darker. It is incumbent on us therefore to eschew anything that might be perceived as alarmist or fearful, instead to educate with the support of our greatest ally - Truth - in a way that the Heart gladly accepts and will guide people towards the Light.

The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Adrian

Quote from: LightBeam on November 09, 2024, 18:45:52To me simulation is pretty evident. I don't like to use the word illusion because our definition of illusion suggests something that does not exit. But everything that can be imagined exists. However, simulation does make sense to me because the experience of the simulation IS REAL, no doubt. Simulation is something set up and programmed for specific experiences. Our natural state is in high frequency spirit form. This is real at least in my opinion. Smaller compartmentalization are simulations. We as humans are mimicking these simulations in smaller scales through our theater,  tv shows, movies, book stories, video games, theme park rides, etc. We are creating this because we have that intuitive deep knowledge (maybe not consciously aware).

A few days ago while I was walking something interesting occurred and I felt truly I was in a video game. I found myself on a cross road with 4 streets. On that cross road there was me as a single female, there was single male, there was  a pair of 2 females, a pair of two males and a pair of a male and a female. It was only us at that moment on that cross road, no one else. But I clearly saw the basic blocks of the coding. The 0s and 1s in the basic parings from which all other more complex coding is created. That was pretty cool to observe. I just felt for a moment how my spirit is lifting above that scene and is looking at the building blocks of a game from a higher perspective. I even stopped walking because for that moment my focus became different, like I had to pause the game.

Excellent post LightBeam - I really like your use of the word "simulation" as an alternative to illusion.

I suggested in my last post never to watch, listen or read the so called news, which is invariable very negative and rarely uplifting.

We are all responsible for creating our own reality, our own universe, our own experience, it is totally counterproductive therefore to focus on the simulation involving the world as a whole which are the simulations projected by all other participants and not our own. There is a very apt quotation - "The world is a stage". I suggest observing the world as if watching a movie, as a curiosity, as a drama, and sometimes entertaining, but without mentally engaging with it in the absolute sense.

People come to this planet primarily to experience, learn and thereby evolve Spiritually, not to  allow it to drag them down. This planet is a "sandbox" where humans can be human, before transitioning to the greater internal universe of Light, the primary objective on this planet being to transcend the influence of the conscious mind, the ego, and align with the Heart and Divine Love. 
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Adrian

Quote from: tides2dust on November 09, 2024, 22:56:19Great episode of the Why Files.

I can't believe I am a sucker for many of those mandalla effects.
Like, "Mirror mirror on the wall"
Or the monopoly man with a monocle.

Yes, what is the difference between Gods plan and living in a simulation? Great question.

The UB seems to elaborate on this with a type of hierarchy that blows my mind. I don't understand it.

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Per y'alls conversation... I wonder if these great masters that could dissimilate their physical bodies by will figured out some way out of the simulation.

I also recall a story of a guru who told his followers to be vegetarian. The followers were shocked when their guru was eating meat. To make them feel assured he proceeded to eat a bowl of nuts and bolts and was unharmed. He explained to his disciples that the material he consumed didn't matter, and that he was there helping them understand the nature of 'reality.'

Babaji could teleport his followers and even create imagery by thought alone.

I suppose I agreed to participate in all of this to some extent, but I do feel there is a higher intelligence- whoever/whatever is helping me break free from the simulation, gradually... and most assuredly.

I also recall stories of monks who could levitate, communicate via telepathy, interact with inter-dimensional beings and survive off nothing but a green elixir.

There's more for us to discover~

These stories are all true, and we all have the same abilities within us and much more even beyond human comprehension. The difference between the Yogi's, Tibetan Monks and others like them is that they largely isolated themselves or completely disengaged from the dream/drama of the world as a whole, focussing within instead.

As I mentioned in a previous post, no food or anything else in this world can harm us unless we believe it can, which is why we should avoid placing negative beliefs in the mind of others, lest it becomes self fulfilling.

The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Frostytraveler

#35
Quote from: Adrian on November 10, 2024, 03:25:32These stories are all true, and we all have the same abilities within us and much more even beyond human comprehension. The difference between the Yogi's, Tibetan Monks and others like them is that they largely isolated themselves or completely disengaged from the dream/drama of the world as a whole, focussing within instead.

As I mentioned in a previous post, no food or anything else in this world can harm us unless we believe it can, which is why we should avoid placing negative beliefs in the mind of others, lest it becomes self fulfilling.

I very much agree with "focusing within instead" concept. If nothing can hurt us with the power of our mind, then why do many advanced spiritual people die at such young ages? So if I feel I will never get cancer and if I do it will not hurt me? Unfortunately (I feel) this is not the case. I don't know, life is all about balance, and taking precautions to make us healthier, which in turn gives us optimal health to pursue our spiritual quest seems prudent to me. I pretty much agree with LB's stance on this. I really enjoy spirituality and some religious aspects as well, as many other things and hobbies in life, but I try to keep my spiritual quest in a perspective of logical and in reasonable balance, if that makes sense. I believe in the power of positive thinking, and the like attracts like theory. I also believe in the power of the mind to not let people harm our inner self and soul as this can be a powerful tool in this often heavy world. But... there are limits in my opinion to things that our beyond our control. Positive thinking never hurts, but taking precautions doesn't hurt either. I think extreme views as with anything, can be counterproductive... but that is just me. Everyone is free to think they way that best resonates with them.

I would agree that YouTube can be alarmist at times (with rating motives being a byproduct), but it can also educate. Though the video I posted may have an element of fear in it, the facts are accurate and it is also very informative and cuts to the chase. I don't believe I was being alarmist, but trying to inform and be helpful to members here. I hope I am not part of the alarmist equation and you are mainly referring to the particular YouTube video. Perhaps I should have chosen a more laid back video? I liked the one I posted though because he discussed the deleterious effects of fluoride in the pineal gland. I'm relatively new on these forums, but have lots of experience posting on other types of forums. Here there seems to be an etiquette that I'm somewhat unfamiliar with. I have noted to be more careful here, as spiritual forums can be a bit sensitive to certain topics.

As far as exposure to the heaviness of life... I do not watch news anymore. I stopped watching when my steep spiritual ascent started. I also stopped watching politics. Yes, no matter which brainwashed camp people are in, it's all about money, greed and power. They focus on helping their "select groups of people" but not the masses of humanity. It's rather sickening. The truth lies in the middle, the problem is, there is no middle. Being engulfed in politics is incredibly damaging to spirit and the soul and I literally feel physically sick when discussing it too much. Professional sports also is a huge turn off for me, other than the individual self growth sports I participate in.

I will not ban movies from my life. It's once again a balance thing. Horror or excessively violent movies I can no longer tolerate. Other movies, no problem as movies and the technology associated with them has always been a hobby of mine. I am not going to avoid video games either. The horror type, yes, but not the other ones. Have been gaming since I was very young. My son is a borderline pro eSports gamer, and we have had countless great times gaming together. It has not influenced him poorly in the least, as he is a very nice young man, with a very far along soul. Though I do not discount the fact that it may harm some people that have a weak moral character foundation and perhaps a soul that is in its infancy.

Disclaimer: this is just my personal thoughts and I'm not trying to influence anybody's views on these topics. 😉
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Adrian

Quote from: Frostytraveler on November 10, 2024, 07:29:03If nothing can hurt us with the power of our mind, then why do many advanced spiritual people die at such young ages?

Many could not mentally tolerate it here due to the low vibration, and the general behaviour of humanity. Others have completed their purpose here and just leave. Others cannot physically tolerate the difference in vibration between Earth and the Spiritual vibration of where they came from and simply fall ill. There have been many children born over the last few decades who came here to help during the transition the planet is going through, but couldn't handle it and returned to their home at a young age. There have thankfully been plenty though who did make it.

QuoteNo, I will not ban movies from my life. It's once again a balance thing. Horror or excessively violent movies I can no longer tolerate. Other movies, no problem as movies and the technology associated with them has always been a hobby of mine. Video games, nope, not going to avoid those either. The horror type, yes, but not the other ones. Have been gaming since I was very young. My son is a borderline pro eSports gamer, and we have had countless great times gaming together. It has not influenced him poorly in the least, as he is a very nice young man, with a very far along soul. Though I do not discount the fact that it may harm some people that have a weak moral character foundation and perhaps a soul that is in its infancy.

I enjoy a good movie as well, but these days it seems a challenge to find one that does not include violence or negativity of some sort. Maybe we should start a thread on recommended movies that are uplifting to watch. I enjoy sci-fi movies in particular but even those often manage to include violence of some sort. I really enjoyed sci-fi movies of the 70's and 80's such as Star Wars, Close Encounters, 2001, Back to the Future etc, and any violence in them was not of the gratuitous kind as it seems to be today. The big exception I make is The Matrix which is a unique movie.

I did not mean to imply that all video games are violent, and I apologise if I gave that impression. I have no interest in video games and do not follow the market. I am happy to hear your son is so accomplished in this area.

The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Frostytraveler

#37
Here is a great documentary for you Adrian (if you have Netflix)... The Remarkable Life Of ibelin. Trailer linked below. Some spiritual aspects in this documentary. It's just an amazing story. As LB told me, he lived a 1000 lifetimes in 1 life here on the Earth. I agree, quality movies are getting harder to come by. Mindless action does nothing for me. It's  all about the story, the characters, and the plot. I love sci-fi as well, all the ones you mentioned. My son is huge Star Wars fan...

"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Frostytraveler

Quote from: tides2dust on November 09, 2024, 22:56:19Great episode of the Why Files.

I can't believe I am a sucker for many of those mandalla effects.
Like, "Mirror mirror on the wall"
Or the monopoly man with a monocle.

Yes, what is the difference between Gods plan and living in a simulation? Great question.

The UB seems to elaborate on this with a type of hierarchy that blows my mind. I don't understand it.

-----

Per y'alls conversation... I wonder if these great masters that could dissimilate their physical bodies by will figured out some way out of the simulation.

I also recall a story of a guru who told his followers to be vegetarian. The followers were shocked when their guru was eating meat. To make them feel assured he proceeded to eat a bowl of nuts and bolts and was unharmed. He explained to his disciples that the material he consumed didn't matter, and that he was there helping them understand the nature of 'reality.'

Babaji could teleport his followers and even create imagery by thought alone.

I suppose I agreed to participate in all of this to some extent, but I do feel there is a higher intelligence- whoever/whatever is helping me break free from the simulation, gradually... and most assuredly.

I also recall stories of monks who could levitate, communicate via telepathy, interact with inter-dimensional beings and survive off nothing but a green elixir.

There's more for us to discover~

Glad you enjoyed the video Tides. I think most of us fall victim to the Mandela Effect. The simulation theory does mess with my head a bit. As far as God's relationship to the simulation. It doesn't have to be entirely conflicting. To help I consider it an "organic simulation". I believe LB stated that despite the simulation our true self is a living spirit/soul. This helps me integrate these concepts into the bigger picture.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

LightBeam

Yep, agree, no politics. It truly is like a kindergarten with no teachers lol. But old systems will eventually break, just like it has been happening since the dawn of civilization.
My sister asked me why I didn't run for a president haha, and I told her that if a lamb enters an apex predator  territory it will be eaten.

The other day a group of friends met at a restaurant and I asked if we only share funny and heart warming stories. I said no politics, no religion. If anyone needs advice sure they can share and ask, but focus on positivity. Everyone followed and we became the loudest group in a packed restaurant. We were laughing so hard, that I could see the other people around and the servers picked up on our energy and they started laughing and smiling. We couldn't even realize that at one point there was no one left at the restaurant and the workers were washing the floor. No one looked at their phones, we were all absorbed on exchanging good vibes face to face. When I finally looked at the time it was close to midnight. I said wow we have been here for 6 and a half hours, we are closing the place haha. Everyone could not believe that much time had passed.
In conclusion, focus is so important to trigger experiences that we prefer out of a pool of infinite possibilities.
"The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem."
Captain Jack Sparrow

tides2dust

Oh, I don't think of it as a problem at all. In my personal belief system, I am OK with considering all of this very real- even the idea of this being a simulation. Neither is at odds end.

Guys... Tak mentioned something interesting to me once... That is, whatever we seem to talk about here finds ways to crop up in her awareness as it pertains to her interest at any point in time.

This morning I read the news headline, "105-year-old British woman credits her long life to Guinness"
 :-D Haha.

And I guess this alignment or synchronicity has a significance with why I'm sharing my post, and the thoughts running through me just a minute ago...

I am also feeling inclined to share RFK JR's testimonial on God and synchronicity(A good Spiritual YouTube video!) :
https://youtu.be/lMYo0SNjB5g?si=eWbCkjfVohpeD7gC

Likely, there are those of us here who have come to some understanding that imperfection is a part of perfection.

My feelings are... Again, unless we are dematerializing our physical bodies by will- That the majority of us have agreed(to some extent) to accept the "simulation" at the very least that this simulation comes with predetermined rules. Whether we agree with those rules or not, as we mature, is the beauty of free will. A gift and endowment. But we are born into a world where the rules of our reality are already in place.

Recognizing this, alongside my personal experiences through out this life. . . Is enough for me to say there is a higher power- there is a Divine Partnership. There is a Living and Guiding Intelligent Spirit. I do believe in the UB to the extent that we are given the opportunity to embark on a journey Godward, this entire act is one of Love... Including the imperfect simulation we are born into. For me, it's an opportunity to develop understanding and grow closer with Divine Love.

Even believing we are that already does not stop the opportunity to become that, it only emboldens the experience. Our experience as time-bound mortals is a reflection of material and spiritual evolution. As we evolve in our understanding in the pursuit of our ideals we may one day understand the simulation to the extent we are able to levitate and perform miracles, but if you ask me- that's not the end game of this simulation. It is a far greater reality to be fused with Divine Love than it is thinking we've gamed the system.

It's rather exciting when you think of the amazing opportunity we've been given, and how much more Real does it make that relationship with the Living Intelligence, A Loving and Guiding Personality through out our various incarnations?

Adrian

Quote from: tides2dust on November 10, 2024, 17:06:18It's rather exciting when you think of the amazing opportunity we've been given, and how much more Real does it make that relationship with the Living Intelligence, A Loving and Guiding Personality through out our various incarnations?

If only people knew how extremely privileged they are to be incarnated on Earth, or other similar planet of which there have been few, and what it means in the grand universal scheme of things, they just might feel and behave very differently. Of course most cannot know that yet, as it would interfere with their primary purpose for being here, which is to Spiritually evolve through experience on the beginning of the path towards realising true Divinity.
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Frostytraveler

#42
I agree Adrian. I always said, if people could see their own and other's light body/soul emanating from within, perhaps people would show more empathy to one another. I equate this to a road rager who uses his vessel (the vehicle) as a buffer to act in a manner that is highly inappropriate. People are stuck in the belief that they are not more than their physical bodies. This even applies to so called church goers (false prophets) who go to church every Sunday, then exit into the world not practicing what they have been preached. Some of these types can be the worst and most dangerous encountered. Instead of the vehicle scenario, it is their physical body that becomes their vessel to act terribly in.  Sometimes the church backdrop is used to bring (false) credibility to some that are unscrupulous.

One of the worst people I have ever encountered in this physical world was a member of the church clergy. He was not from my church thankfully. A complete fraud and as dark a soul as I have ever experienced. Truly a soul in its infancy of spiritual evolution. He saw the light in me and we clashed terribly. I exposed him for what he truly was and protected many. This was also a catalyst (though a subset) to my steep spiritual assent. As a side note, I don't go to church much these days. My path has taken a bit of a turn as I focus within, and develop my own individual connection with the God and the Divine. Thus far, I have found this path very rewarding.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Adrian

Quote from: Frostytraveler on November 11, 2024, 07:16:19As a side note, I don't go to church much these days. My path has taken a bit of a turn as I focus within, and develop my own individual connection with the God and the Divine. Thus far, I have found this path very rewarding.

That is wonderful, I am happy to hear that.

It reminds me of a quote by the great Sufi mystic, Rumi:

"I looked for God. I went to a temple and I didn't find him there. Then I went to a church and I didn't find him there. The I went to a mosque and I didn't find him there. Then finally I looked in my heart and there he was."
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Frostytraveler

#44
All the years I have gone to Church (when young every Sunday, then maybe 5x a year then less and less reserving it to major Holidays) I felt good when leaving church, as the energy was positive. But... no matter how often I prayed I never felt a strong connection to God or the Divine, nor got a sign that God was close or listening. Until I looked inward, and now I have lost track of how many Divine encounters I have had. It's interesting how the church, particularly the Catholic Church, (I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian) says that "individual development and contact" to God and the Divine is permitted by a select few on the upper tier of the Church Clergy (the Pope, Bishops, Cardinals etc...) But... if we mere mortals look within and develop our own spiritual connection with God and the Divine, it's the work of the Devil. The church's  (particularly the Catholic Church's)  "only we can have contact with the Divine" belief has the appearance that the Ego has crept in to cloud the waters. To me, they appear to be controlling the masses (church followers) with fear.

Note though, I have met some excellent Priests in my Orthodox Church that clearly evolved their thinking, beliefs and had an open mind far beyond the above restrictive stance. Though one particular priest that I was very impressed with moved two hours away to another church, I would love to pay him a visit to discuss all that I have experienced. It's on my to do list at some point.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Adrian

I have never been to church except when I got married, and then only because my now ex-wife wanted a church wedding.

That said, I have met some wonderful church ministers and church goers who are very sincere people. Church in England is nothing like that big Roman church or Baptist churches in the USA for example Here they are more of a family gathering where the church minister reads lessons from the bible, congregation sings a few hymns, repeats a few prayers and then went home. No fear mongering involved.

Many churches over here have a very tall spire or steeple, the objective of which is to collect all the words of worship together and focus them "up towards heaven".

Of course songs and prayers repeated rote, are just words. God, the Divine only knows what is in our Heart.

Edit: I am happily married now to a most wonderful American lady from Southern California. This time we got married in Maui, Hawai'i.
The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

https://ourultimatereality.com/

Frostytraveler

Those sound like wonderful churches and a positive environment. I have not turned my back on my religion, the Church or its traditions. I still refer and abide by principles in the Bible, but now I have heavily supplemented it with my spiritual beliefs and path.
"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

Adrian

Quote from: Frostytraveler on November 11, 2024, 09:12:43Those sound like wonderful churches and a positive environment. I have not turned my back on my religion, the Church or its traditions. I still refer and abide by principles in the Bible, but now I have heavily supplemented it with my spiritual beliefs and path.

The Bible and Universal Spiritual Truth are not mutually exclusive. The Bible is by far the most esoteric text ever produced, especially the Gospels and in particular the Parables.

The person who came to be known as "Jesus" was and is a great Spiritual messenger who came here from a high vibratory frequency. He did not come to Earth simply to entertain people by telling stories and performing tricks, and most definitely did not come here to be turned into the object of controlling religions.

Jesus came to Earth to reach the people that could be reached in order to teach great and valuable Spiritual Truth at a time in Earth's past when it was needed, thus unlocking the Universal Truth and knowledge that is within us all, to the extent it can be accessed.

As you progress Spiritually, you will find that the Bible becomes progressively more meaningful, not less.



The mind says there is nothing beyond the physical world; the HEART says there is, and I've been there many times ~ Rumi

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Frostytraveler

Here is a good one from The Why Files regarding Parallel Universe theory.

"Don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all the heavenly glory." Bruce Lee

tides2dust

Quote from: Frostytraveler on November 14, 2024, 07:18:19Here is a good one from The Why Files regarding Parallel Universe theory.


Yes! I'm excited to watch this one later.

I met a woman who confided something in me years ago. She is a regular at a pub my Dad and his friends go to. She told me she could see their different lives in a type of parallel universe. She told me things about each person and where they were in different realities. She also told me I was the only one in that group who was the same in each reality. She said there are a few who are the same no matter the universe.

I don't know why she felt compelled to share it with me... But it felt special and so I take a great interest in your post and seeing what this visitor has to say! Thank you!  :-D