The Child-Hero and the Demon War

[Veccolo]

The problem with this whole "demon" war thing is, there is absoluteley no definite evidece for it. Tha mayan calender ends. So what? The calendar on my wall ends this year too, but I don't see anyone going crazy over this one.

Where are the ancient texts, which speak of a demon war in 2012? I didn't find them, and nobody could direct me to them. The bible for example speaks of "armageddon", but doesn't give a definite date.

There were countless prophecies of "the end" the last decades, and nothing happend. So if this "war believers" could give us any evidence besides "feelings", I'd be happy to read this evidence.

I have to say I find the idea of this "demon war" thing quite attractive, because it's unique and uncommon. Plus, it would give me an excuse for not applying for a job

I'm looking forward to your theories. Maybe this can clear some things up for these "super heroes"

[Van-Stolin]

I do beleive that something is going to happen and yes it is a feeling, though wheater this feeling is good or bad, is hard to interpret.  It could be that a discovery will be made and an era of peace will finally begin, or maybe a demon war will happen and all of man kind will be killed.  Who knows and frankly I don't really care which, it could very well happen long after this generation is dead anyway, so I will worry about it in the next life time.

[James S]

Hi all,

Can I ask please that we don't start going into more great long discussions release arguments about demon wars?

We had a plague of demon war topics a little while back that all ended up getting out of hand, and we had to start locking down topics.

I would suggest you not try and clear up any misconceptions about the Mayan calendar because there's no hard evidence that there isn't anything BUT misconceptions. There is only one hard solid irrefutable fact about the calendar - it stopped! That's all. The rest is all purely conjecture, supposition and conspiracy theories.

Please, let the whole demon wars subject lie for a bit. Frankly we're a litle tired of it, and it tends to bring out all the fanatics and DBZ wannabes.

James.

[James S]

"It's just an anime."
EXACTLY!!
I know that, you know that, but we had a whole heard of kids come on to the forums who didn't seem to know that, and couldn't seem to distinguish the difference between DBZ and reality.

Most of the demon war topics we had stemmed from anime junkies who seemed convinced that all the cartoons they were watching were based on fact.

Because so many of the demon war topics got so out of hand, we're reluctant to allow more to start up.

James.

[Sentential]

I must agree. I do feel something bad is heading this way. Hoever I view it differentally. I have my own millenium theory.

The previous millenia was based off love and sacrifice. There are a great number of evil people that wish to influence this millenia.

However they are not demons. They are Islmaic fundamenentalists, and others who seek to destroy the free world.

We see people so violently fighting against a "war" becasue it might cost them. So horribly materialistic it makes me sick. We have lived such a wonderful life here in the USA. It is both wrong an cruel to wall ourselves up in the magical city... *caugh* "Atlantis".

We need to make progressive steps to unify our race. Because lets face it folks. We will probly enounter a hostile alien force soon enough. Wheather it be demon or ETs.

If we bicker among petty ideals and "things" we are certian for extinction. What we need most is to open our eyes and quit being so damn selfish and narrow minded.

IMO conventional religion is the main hurdle. Major reforms need to be made, because organized religion is killing this planet and our species.

My .02c

[The AlphaOmega]

THERE IS NO DEMON WAR.... AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
    I was going to make this a 2-part post; with my intention being to draw a picture of likely environmental factors the have influenced children on a individual psychological way; orienting them toward the hero/messiah drive.  My second post, as i have edited, was intended to be not necessarily a "clearing up of misconceptions regarding the coming Earth changes"; although that was the way I did initially phrase it.  My intention was more to present my theories about possible changes to the fabric of reality during this time.  More specifically, some of the more outrageous claims, like the ability to perform "Matrix-like" feats of Newtonian physics defying martial arts.  Just about any "tech" from any number of hundreds of anime shows would be included in such a discussion.  I really wanted to try and look at those things and then try to look into the world as-it-is right now and see if we could find any evidence of these things even in remote possibility.  In addition, I wanted to discuss the connections to our everyday emotional lives that such radical changes in the nature of our everyday reality might have.  What purpose in human evolution would it serve if we could, in short order, achieve the level of manifestable power of a "Neo" or a fantasy wizard?  

[Twilight2099]

I don't believe this topic is still around, there is no demon war. It is a made up fantasy by people who are to lazy to put in any training, none of them can AP it's all a form of deep meditation that they create in there mind. If there was a demon war then all the mediums in the world would pick up on it.

And when researching prophecys don't just use one 2012, cross your research with other prophecys. Nostradamus, mother shipton, edgar cayce, the bible, today's psychics, then the mayan prophecys. Other wise everyone who believes in this 2012 will look just as stupid as the people who thought the world would end in the year 2000. Prophecy wise i would worry more about 2005 & 2006.

Thanks

Simon

//www.twilightsociety.com

[James S]

Well, that means that most mediums are safe then, as I for one have not yet met a medium who believes there to be any demon war on the way.

I think though that if we look a little closer at what Shadowdancer is talking about, we'll realise that each of us who sets our feet upon a spiritual path at some stage wages war with our own demons.

James.

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
     I just got done scanning the thread 'War of souls'.  Very interesting stuff.  I think there are many many people that have been aware of....a sense of urgency.  I was born feeling it almost 30 years ago, and I know there are a few others here on AP that are a generation or so older than I who know what I speak of.  For me, its pretty amazing, words cannot describe.  What I seek are children who know that there is 'something wicked this way comes'.....they know because they can feel it!  They may not have the over-developed vocabulary--> and <complex and nuanced symbol/lingustic nueral frameworks to work with in trying to communicate what they FEEL.  They have an extraordinarily deep and strong somatic-kinesthetic sense and understanding of their world.  They are actually starting to physically feel the subtle energies that constitute our time-space continuum.  Just as a seasoned qigong practicioner has developed a sensitivity to chi and other organic electromagnetic field matrices; these children are born with a generally higher sensitivity and awareness(thus knowing)of these energies.  
     Putting myself in a place psychologically similar to the best of my capability; I feel that it would be extraordinarily difficult to successfully verbally communicate my sensing knowledge in a lucid and elucidating manner.  I would imagine that it would be particularly difficult given certain psycho-spiritual imprinting that most male children experience in Western Judeo-Christian oriented corporatized consumer culture.  So in that we have a mixture of the need to play mystic male war-god messiah; combined with a lifetime of being encouraged to persue instant gratification and ego fulfillment above all else....what a picture!  
     Is there anyone else out there that feels, with these factors running in the background throughout a child's life....that when that child drums up enough courage to "speak out" about their percieved "true destiny", or their have some "secret knowledge" or super power...would it not take tremendous amount of courage...because really, they are simply using the language tools they have available to get across to us what they are feeling.....
     Living in a culture that is hopelessly materialistic....these kids are not only working up enough strength of will to just express how they feel, but what they are announcing....it is, according to arbitrarily enforced ideas of social norms; tantamount to announcing "I am insane!".  Not only their own insanity do they proclaim; but with pride and arrogance many adhere to their claims.  The inflated ego is surely connected to the inherant social conditioning they have undergone through the Mediatrix. Just imagine a crazed hippy that did a bit too much acid and runs around claiming his identity as Jesus(something I did do!).  That poor hippy definitely was awake, but just like waking and looking into the sun he is blinded and sees not the sun in us all.  These kids are similar, except they are born feeling the acid!  And their messiah conditioning is now not the all-loving Jesus the Lamb of God; but the all-powerful butt-kicking trenchcoat wearing Neo.  Where Jesus's strength were in being able to connect to, understand, empathize and have compassion for others, Neo's strengths lie in his friends, family and lovers all dying around him.  He is alone.  Utterly and terribly alone.  This false messiah can never listen to anyone because they don't understand how he feels!!!!  Remeber, it is that sensing capacity which in our society that is squashed in males, the feeling capacities.  This sense of isolation and alienation creates a fundamental mistrust and a twisted sense of arrogance within its victims.  (on a side note, such an archetype could be seen as an entity; in that, it is an archetype that is pushed on every male in our country(US) through the Media's Tricks.  intuitively, if Christ energy is an energy that is in all our hearts, then so is Anti-Christ energy.  it would seem as though Neo, in trying to be a Christ, but missing the point, becomes a vehicle for the Anti-Christ, anyways...)
     Aside from telling us of their own(and thus our, collective traumas and wounding; they are telling us (again, in the language they have at their disposal); "There is a Demon War coming soon!!!"  And they have adhered themselves to the Mayan Calander Long Count End Date.  So they have, as a collective unconscious, picked up on something that has some level of concentrated human intent as a date slated for the commencement of something momentous.  Just as anyone can pick up and manifest negative energy patterns, so can they positive.  Is there something positive to the 'Demon War'?  Is there something there to be considered?  Many people have predicted, in accordance with mayan, hopi and many other indigeonous prophecies, that there are to be radical changes on our planet....soon.  Many speak of disasters, natural and possibly man-made.  in general, it is spoken of as a time of many radical changes; powerful endings and powerful new beginngings.  What kind of role would a concept of a "demon war" play in the evolution of humanity?  how could this idea be integrated into our collective consciousness in a way which would be beneficial for us all?  

[Forestianfire]

this topic is scary..... since well for my entire life i sinced something foreboding was going to happen, but i dont know what, it influences my dreams sometimes.... but all i know is this, I have a bad feel about both nominees for president this year... and this is comeing from a 14 year old that never listens to the news.

[Wronski Feint]

Oh yes, There will be a demon war and a person will be chosen to lead a group against them and most of the demons are vampires and the chosen one fights against them and befriends a lesbian witch and a goofy guy for comical releif. You dont have to wait untill 2012. Just tune in to FOX on saturday afternoons.

[Clow]

Sometimes you can't rely on the 5 senses and hope to find a evidence. If you were a demon warlord are you going to step into the physical realm and prance around to make sure everyone knew that you were going to attack. No of course you wouldn't not a single American citizen knew when 9/11 happened and a guy that lives in a cave planned that.

On to the child prophecy thing that this post was based on. You wouldn't expect a man to face a army of humans. I wouldn't expect a boy to face a army of demons. However I am 14 I have a very strong sense for the spiritual and I have a large abundance of energy. Maybe I would be fit to fight in the war but there is no way I would fight alone. It just doesn't work that way.

[Van-Stolin]

No it wouldn't, though there are those that are arrogent enough to say that they don't need the help.

If this were to happen and one person had to fight it all, he would be overwelded by shear numbers, it wouldn't matter how much power this person had.

I don't even think that such a responsibility will fall onto a group of people, this isn't something you put anything through, doing so is very selfish I say.

[Clow]

If so many people are feeling thisthing coming it could only mean a large stress. Maybe something that could rupture time and space. That is not caused by a single person but by many.

Oh yeah as for the anime's I still have yet to watch one on a war against demons.

Also lets try to keep the emotions under control this time so we don't get our topic locked up.

[wantsumrice]

If so many people are feeling thisthing coming it could only mean a large stress. Maybe something that could rupture time and space. .

Ahem, to rupture time and space would mean splitting a hole in the universe as we know it...perhaps creating a random wormhole of some sort.  

Anyway, I see the whole demon thing as some sort of spiritual fetish.  Something hopeful people can put their energy into and come together with the same idea.  Nothing too interesting going on there anyway.

[Quiet_Storm]

Human Living Vampires
http://phpbb.completeforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15&mforum=httpphpbbcomple

Thuoght you might wanna check that out shadowdancer. What do you think of that?

Maybe the 'demons' (providing that there is a demon war) will be human vampires perhaps mutated by the sun (or the second 'dark twin' sun), and look a bit like zombies.

Another idea...

There was a dream described by someone at GLP. The dream was basically about this vibrational sound frequency that was transmitted throughout the earth which seperated the 'light' from the 'dark'. The people who were submissive to this frequency turned into zombie like humans who attacked the 'light' side unrelentlessly, and all over the world. It was a 'demon' war it seems...

Sounds like something microchip implants and/or HAARP would do. Or that dark twin thing..

[shadowdancer]

Namaste,
        hmm.....hlv, human living vampire....i have found that this can be a good description(excluding those who consciously feel the need for blood)for most people within western culture, especially the US.  Too much junk food, TV, not enough exercise, no meditation...you get the idea.  Ok, so this is in a sense, a "coming out" for me.  I do believe we are actually in the thick of a "demon war".  In a very literal and externalized sense.  See, the problem with people and their absolute disbelief that such a thing could happen, let alone consider seriously the possibility that it is happening....rests within the other side of the demon war coin.  for me, this is how it works:  Every action we take, ever decision we make, every thought we create; all these things have an instantaneous and irreversible effect upon our environment.  Our thoughts have a strong effect upon how we see the world, what we call toward us for life experiences and what we emanate out into the world, our projections of who we are as an individuated consciousness.  We can see instantaneously how anger, fear, hatred and ignorance and other base thought/emotions can create reactions in other people and animals.  Approach a dog in a state of fear and they are going to be very wary of you, because your primary consciousness is operating on a level of survival, meaning you may be more ready to take action that is based on the "kill or be killed" vibration....dogs don't feel really comfortable with that.  The decisions and actions we make and take are also instantaneously manifested...but they also carry subtle vibrations and unseen connections that are not readily seen.  For example,  do you eat meat?  If so, do you hunt that animal?  Honor it up in a high spiritual fashion as it is decreed by the natural laws of Gaia?(some may debate and question this, but i don't care, keep it to yourself, i will give other examples)  When we go to eat at McDonald's we are not only giving our money=energy=spirit=free will, to support the tortuous lives and deaths of millions of cows, but we also are tangentially supporting the destruction of the rain forest, the continuation of greenhouse gasses buildup; in actuality, if you bought McDonald's in the 80's as I did, you were inadvertently supporting partied in South Africa, as Coca-Cola and McDonald's are part of the same multinational corporate conglomerate and Coca-Cola financially contributed to the South African regime at that time.  (something specifically left out in the 2nd "Lethal Weapon" installment)  The clothes that you buy, where do they come from?  made by 12 and 13 year old girls in India or elsewhere that dip their hands in the highly carcinogous and cancer-causing dyes to make that shirt look pretty?  how does it feel to wear those carcinogens?  what about your shoes?  or your computer?  even the process of recycling paper wastes has been developed here in the states to produce more wastes that are of a higher level of toxicity that before recycling.  Basically, by being boring into the "privileged" life of a western consumer, everything you do, every comfort you enjoy, is causing someone(or many someones)massive amounts of suffering and pain, just to survive.  The military-prison-industrial-complex systems that are the US and western governments are populated by demons.  The demon war is on.  And it starts in each of our hearts individually.  We have to take a look at ourselves and develop a kind of willpower, spiritual muscles, unlike any that have come before us....because we live in a spiritual Babylon.  a land that praises an individual for causing pain, pushing others down to get ahead, it honors the disregard for others and ignores the essential need for community and, shoot, literally, there is a group of right-wing evangelical christians that believe that the end of the world is near, so, screw it, who cares and lets rape the environment because we are gods chosen few and we will be in heaven soon...(aka-space)

I know i have been rambling.....but my point is....check your own life first.  find out how you have been conditioned and brainwashed by those fallen angels, those demons who control the tv and media(name of a ethnic group during the time of old Babylon about 3000BC).  Search for ways to live better....organic foods, buy clothes from thrift stores as much as possible...try becoming a vegetarian...or learn the ancient art of bow-hunting.  Take up a mind/body discipline like martial arts or yoga, dancing....Make time in your day to meditate, at least 10 minutes or so.  These are the actions that will help fight the demon war NOW.  Because it is not a future event.  It is happening already.  WAKE UP.  

PS-  i will write some more about my perception of the possibilities of the syncopation of the higher vibrations of light based matter with the lower frequencies of entropic forces and the subsequent possibilities of the alterations to Newtonian physical laws and the mutation of the human genome.

[Quiet_Storm]

Namaste,
hmm.....hlv, human living vampire....i have found that this can be a good description(excluding those who consciously feel the need for blood)for most people within western culture, especially the US. Too much junk food, TV, not enough exercise, no meditation...you get the idea. Ok, so this is in a sense, a "coming out" for me. I do believe we are actually in the thick of a "demon war". In a very literal and externalized sense. See, the problem with people and their absolute disbelief that such a thing could happen, let alone consider seriously the possibility that it is happening....rests within the other side of the demon war coin. for me, this is how it works: Every action we take, ever decision we make, every thought we create; all these things have an instantaneous and irreversible effect upon our environment. Our thoughts have a strong effect upon how we see the world, what we call toward us for life experiences and what we emanate out into the world, our projections of who we are as an individuated consciousness. We can see instantaneously how anger, fear, hatred and ignorance and other base thought/emotions can create reactions in other people and animals. Approach a dog in a state of fear and they are going to be very wary of you, because your primary consciousness is operating on a level of survival, meaning you may be more ready to take action that is based on the "kill or be killed" vibration....dogs don't feel really comfortable with that. The decisions and actions we make and take are also instantaneously manifested...but they also carry subtle vibrations and unseen connections that are not readily seen. For example, do you eat meat? If so, do you hunt that animal? Honor it up in a high spiritual fashion as it is decreed by the natural laws of Gaia?(some may debate and question this, but i don't care, keep it to yourself, i will give other examples) When we go to eat at McDonald's we are not only giving our money=energy=spirit=free will, to support the tortuous lives and deaths of millions of cows, but we also are tangentially supporting the destruction of the rain forest, the continuation of greenhouse gasses buildup; in actuality, if you bought McDonald's in the 80's as I did, you were inadvertently supporting partied in South Africa, as Coca-Cola and McDonald's are part of the same multinational corporate conglomerate and Coca-Cola

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[Orchild]

Let's worry about 2009 shall we?

[Quiet_Storm]

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[Forestianfire]

I have many friends- includeing myself, think there was something going to happen. As for the child hero, I highly doubt that it would be just one lone child and that it would be a child at all. Many years ago, I had a dream that there would be seven people, and that none of them were under the age of 13. and they werent fighting demons, they were fighting something else. Demons, really, common someone has been watching Inuyasha too much...

[shadowdancer]

checking something out.

[shadowdancer]

Ok, i am unable to read anymore posts on this thread for some reason.....how synchronistic....what does it mean?  i would really like to read some of your responses to my last post....i will start another thread and if its not too much trouble for those of you who have posted, would you repost your replies from my last post with actual content?  Many thanks, shadowdancer

[The Founder]

I was responsible for the 'War of the souls' thread and I realized I caused turmoil, not only then but apparently even still.

I have a thing or two still to say about this.

I realize that in the former thread there was little or no evidence to back up my claims, this angered a lot of you. Some of you however were plain arrogant from the outset, because of this I have reevaluated my options.

My original problem was that I was unable to provide proof, and I found myself being asked for it at every turn. How can I do that? I'm no scientist, I'm no expert on this stuff... I just have a few memories and a powerful instinct.

Then I listened to myself and what I was saying, it was pathetic... I had undertaken the responsibility of warning people about what I thought was going to happen yet I refused to go that extra mile and make it feasible.

True, I am no expert but since I have more knowledge about the war than anyone else I have met, and since I am willing to put at least that much effort into warning others then I may as well go that extra mile anyway... Right?

That's why I am currently in the process of constructing a website that can, when complete, hopefully offer a more scientific and overall believable view on the war and the falling of the 'veil'.

The site is still under construction and you can find the building blocks for it in the link in my signature. I am also working on a countermeasure to the war dubbed 'Utopia'. It's not much but it's all I can do, I have friends who are helping me and I have a list of believers and supporters as long as your arm. But I am still looking for as much evidence and/or proof one way or the other.

I wouldn't want to create a site that leads others from the truth, nor would I want to convince myself that a lie is real.

So if anyone has any information either for or against the war... anything with substance, then please contact me at 'founders_unspokenreality@hotmail.com' Also if you believe in the war and would like more information or to help me in any way please let me know.

Forestianfire, you mentioned seven children. In my research I have stumbled across people who are a part of otherkin factions that have come here just for the war. Not all otherkin are here for the war, in fact many may not even involve themselves in it. However if you sense it, if you feel it coming in your heart... then it is likely that you are here for that purpose. The seven you mentioned could relate to a number of things from the 'seven archangels' who are supposedly the most influential among all the angels.

More likely however is that you are sensing that you are part of your own faction and have yet to reunite yourself with the other members. I have met many others like this and I myself belong to such a faction so it isn't too rare.

There will be no single 'child hero' this is probably reminiscent of the concept that humanity is still young yet it must come together to defeat this threat, hell if I know... either way there will not be a single 'super warrior' child to save us all.

This time we will have to save ourselves, besides the falling of the veil isn't all about the war anyway, think of the war as a byproduct. When the veil falls apparently humanity will undergo a spiritual evolution... an ascension. you may call it the 'fourth density' The demons are simply trying to avoid letting that happen.

As I said I am still researching this as well as comparing notes with others researching rival theories. When my site is complete I will ensure that nothing but the truth as I believe it will be shown on it. I know it's just a silly freebie site at the moment however I have no money to my name, lol. In time I will upgrade it and make it more efficient.

Hey quiet storm, you mentioned something about light and dark being separated, right? That's essentially what the veil is as far as I can tell, and when it collapses the two will mix together, only I don't see 'light and dark' as 'good and evil' To me it's all about the energies.

I will be hanging around here for a few days so if you have anything sensible to say either for, against or generally about this theory then please say so.

By the way, I hate the term 'demon-war' it gives them too much credit, am I the only one who dislikes that term?


The Founder