UNDER 18 AP goers

[the_schnibbles]

hey,
idk if this chat is still up to date, but i'm prolly the youngest member with only thirteen years of age
anyways i am fascinated by astral projection and am trying really hard to achieve my first obe
anyways its good to know that i am not the only kid out there trying.

see y'all

[personalreality]

welcome

[the_schnibbles]

So... i have this problem that when my body relaxes, i come really close to body asleep mind awake, but then when my body actually falls asleep my breathing turns real weird and sometimes my heart pounds really hard. i tried to get used to this and get my breathing normal, but i feel like suffocating. how can i get my breathing regular? i tried to think of something els, but then my breathing gets even more intense. oh and i found out that my heavy breathing is the reason why i am snapping out of it.

thanks for your help,


the_schnibbles

[Jarrod]

Is your heavy breathing being caused by your rapid heart beat, like an involuntary panic reaction? If it is, I have that problem too.  I've learned to kind of force myself to ignore it but since it's involuntary you can't really ignore it completely.  You either have to force your breathing to remain normal, or do nothing in which case your breathing gets really heavy and breaks your state of relaxation.  Kind of a lose lose situation I haven't figured out how to get around yet.  You might want to try phasing though.  That's a technique a lot of people on here recommend that's completely different from most traditional obe techniques.  I'm trying to use it to get around the rapid heart beat and automatic heavy breathing problem because the technique doesn't involve bodily sensations at all.

[personalreality]

Common experience.  Fear and energy surge.  Just keep practicing, it will pass.

[the_schnibbles]

thanks for the tip, i'll try it 2night

[astraladdict]

Wooow, i no longer feel the youngest \O/

[pooker94]

Hello, my names Shane Filley I'm 16 and I'm very new to this and at least for now I just want to learn about everything and soon try to experience it. I'm really just hoping that someone that knows a lot or at least that has a little knowledge in this can help me understand better and give me some advise.

[Astral Templar]

Hey just made an acc to post on this, seeing that there is so many people my age interested in AP is inspiring (16), im among the most with not being able to AP when i wish, ive had one obe which was an amazing experince. i dont remeber how i got into AP i think just curiousity of everything i eventually found it on the web, caught my interest, i tried also getting distracted by life. then i had my obe at complete random shortly after that i picked up Astral dynamics by robert bruce and im currently in the energy work part, i think i got it but im not sure. I'm going to keep going at it until i get it this time though for sure

oh and hello from canada! 

[Timandra]

Hi Astral Templar, this part of the forums doesn't get read so often. So perhaps you would like to introduce yourself in the members introduction forum, I'm sure you will get many responses!

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_members_introductions-b47.0/

[Ssergiu]

I guess I am in here too. 

[Summerlander]

I'm not but...Ssergiu...is that really you, my dear?

[Ssergiu]

I'm not but...Ssergiu...is that really you, my dear?

I am actually a pedophile trying to get children at my home. Convinced now? 
Of course it is me. I even told you I was going to create an account here.

By the way, let's stay on topic. 

[CANNIBALEX]

I joined when i was 13 or 14.  I'm 19 now though, but young at heart

[istop2]

I am 16 an has just began to learn about astral projection.

- my name is Edwin and live in Denmark (:

[istop2]

This is to be done when going to bed. You need something to focus on; if it is in view the moon, the stars, a crystal, a favorite doll will work well... Use whatever you like.

Just not a Candle or anything that burns!

This method involves the body falling asleep, and you should never leave anything that burns unattended. I usually use my crystal ball for this.

Place the object within your view and lie down in your bed. Just stare at the object as you doze off. The first few times may be frustrating. You may just fall asleep and that's it. But after a few tries, this worked for me.

Keep staring at the object. As your eyelids become heavy, keep staring. Eventually your eyes will close, but you will still be able to see the object. You will still be staring at the object. Sit up or stand up, and don't be surprised to see your physical body sleeping peacefully in your bed!

This works fairly well for me. When you are out of your body, do whatever you wish. I am still getting used to the out of body feeling (I achieved my first one only a month ago ), so I have not travelled any farther than the roof of our apartment building yet.

This time is yours. Just tell people that you are attempting this and don't wish to be disturbed.

- does this work for anyone (: ?

[Xanth]

I thought that passage sounded familiar:  http://www.wicca.com/celtic/astral/astral1.htm

Let's try to give credit where credit is due.

It's a valid projection method, if that's what you're asking.
Did I ever get it to work?  Nope.

[istop2]

Monroe Techniques For Astral Projection

Anon

Note: After having studied many methods of Astral Projection, I have found that this is the easiest to do. Monroe teaches these techniques in a week, but they can be easily done in a day, with proper devotion. I feel that this technique is superior to others because it doe not require intense visualization, which many people cannot do. enjoy!

(Taken from Leaving The Body: A Complete Guide to Astral Projection, D. Scott Rogo, prentice Hall Press)

One of the chief barriers people learning to project face is fear. Many are afraid that they may die, or be harmed in some way as a result of their projection. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The Canterbury Institute, renowned for its occult studies, executed an experiment in projection involving over 2,000 people. None of them were hurt in any way by this, and now, three years later, none have complained of any newly arising problems.

Once you are aware that you cannot be harmed by projecting, you should begin monroe's techniques, step by step.

Step one:

Relax the body. According to Monroe, "the ability to relax is the first prerequisite, perhaps even the first step itself" to having an OBE. (out of body experience) This includes both physical and mental relaxation. Monroe does not suggest a method of attaining this relaxation, although Progressive Muscle relaxation, coupled with deep breathing exercises (inhale 1, exhale 2, inhale 3...until 50 or 100) are known to work well.

Step two:

Enter the state bordering sleep. This is known as the hypnagogic state. Once again, Monroe doesn't recommend any method of doing this. One way is to hold your forearm up, while keeping your upper arm on the bed, or ground. As you start to fall asleep, your arm will fall, and you will awaken again. With practice, you can learn to control the Hypnagogic state without using your arm. Another method is to concentrate on an object. When other images start to enter your thoughts, you have entered the Hypnagogic state. Passively watch these images. This will also help you maintain this state of near-sleep. Monroe calls this Condition A.

Step three:

Deepen this state. Begin to clear your mind. observe your field of vision through your closed eyes. Do nothing more for a while. Simply look through your closed eyelids at the blackness in front of you. After a while, you may notice light patterns. These are simply neural discharges. They have no specific effect. Ignore them. When they cease, one has entered what Monroe calls Condition B. From here, one must enter an even deeper state of relaxation which Monroe calls Condition C- a state of such relaxation that you lose all awareness of the body and sensory stimulation. You are almost in a void in which your only source of stimulation will be your own thoughts.

The ideal state for leaving your body is Condition D. This is Condition C when it is voluntarily induced from a rested and refreshed condition and is not the effect of normal fatigue. To achieve Condition D, Monroe suggests that you practice entering it in the morning or after a short nap.

Step Four:

Enter a state of Vibration. This is the most important part of the technique, and also the most vague.

Many projectors have noted these vibrations at the onset of projection. They can be experienced as a mild tingling, or as is electricity is being shot through the body. /their cause is a mystery. It may actually be the astral body trying to leave the physical one. For entering into the vibrational state, he offers the following directions:

Remove all jewelry or other items that might be touching your skin.
Darken the room so that no light can be seen through your eyelids, but do not shut out all light.
Lie down with your body along a north-south axis, with your head pointed toward magnetic north.
Loosen all clothing, but keep covered so that you are slightly warmer than might normally be comfortable.
Be sure you are in a location where, and at a time when, there will be absolutely no noise to disturb you.
Enter a state of relaxation
Give yourself the mental suggestion that you will remember all that occurs during the upcoming session that will be beneficial to your well-being. Repeat this five times.
Proceed to breath through your half-open mouth.
As you breath, concentrate on the void in front of you.
Select a point a foot away from your forehead, then change your point of mental reference to six feet.
Turn the point 90 degrees upward by drawing an imaginary line parallel to your body axis up and above your head. Focus there and reach out for the vibrations at that point and bring them back into your body.
Even if you don't know what these vibrations are, you will know when you have achieved contact with them.

Step five:

Learn to control the vibrational state. Practice controlling them by mentally pushing them into your head, down to your toes, making them surge throughout your entire body, and producing vibrational waves from head to foot. To produce this wave effect, concentrate of the vibrations and mentally push a wave out of your head and guide it down your body. Practice this until you can induce these waves on command.

Once you have control of the vibrational state, you are ready to leave the body.

Step six:

Begin with a partial separation. The key here is thought control. Keep your mind firmly focused on the idea of leaving the body. Do not let it wander. Stray thought might cause you to lose control of the state.

Now, having entered the vibrational state, begin exploring the OBE by releasing a hand or a foot of the "second body". Monroe suggests that you extend a limb until it comes in contact with a familiar object, such as a wall near your bed. Then push it through the object. Return the limb by placing it back into coincidence with the physical one, decrease the vibrational rate, and then terminate the experiment. Lie quietly until you have fully returned to normal. This exercise will prepare you for full separation.

Step seven:

Dissociate yourself from the body. Monroe suggests two methods for this. One method is to lift out of the body. To do this, think about getting lighter and lighter after entering this vibrational state. Think about how nice it would be to float upward. Keep this thought in mind at all costs and let no extraneous thoughts interrupt it. An OBE will occur naturally at this point.

Another method is the "Rotation method" or "roll-out" technique. When you have achieved the vibrational state, try to roll over as if you were turning over in bed. /do not attempt to roll over physically. Try to twist your body from the top and virtually roll over into your second body right out of your physical self. At this point, you will be out of the body but next to it. Think of floating upward, and you should find yourself floating above the body.

Monroe suggests you begin with the lift-out method, but argues that both are equally efficacious.

If, after all this, you still can't project, I recommend purchasing Leaving The Body, by R. Scott Rogo. It only costs $7.95 and contains another eight or so techniques. Not all techniques work for everyone, but chances are you'll find one that works for you in this book. Good luck!


- does anyone have luck with this induction (: ?

[Xanth]

- does anyone have luck with this induction (: ?

You've got a slight issue here... because anyone who provides you an answer to this question won't be of any help TO YOU. 

You should be trying these methods out for yourself.  All of this is incredibly unique and individual... what works well for one person might not work well for you.  Just try out the different methods and see what works best FOR YOU. 

[Rob D]

How are you goin lads, My name is Rob, I'm 16.. I'm semi-pro Mountain biker and extreme sports lover from Ireland. Cool to see so many like minded people from around the world ! 

[Darklon]

Darklon, 17, not much in the way of success

[Mr-Crowley]

Im a 16 turning 17 year old male who live in the middle of the desert in South Africa.I have been into Astral Projection for about 2 years now,study and practice..yeah thats about the only way i can describe myself.

[Thaki]

Im 15,started with this when i was 14.A friend introduced me to it,while we were sailing on a boat for 7 days,he was reading an OBE manual or something in german..i approached with great intrest and as soon as i got home i got to googling.ended up here.

Im from Croatia,Zadar btw...

hmm thank makes me one of the youngest i guess...

[Stritrix]

I'm 15.

[BeHappy]

17 for now :O
got interested into aping from insidious at 16.