https://www.reddit.com/r/LucidDreaming/comments/1djly9/fild_works_everytime/
Normaly you should use this technique only in the morning as said in the post but I wanted to try at night because it was very late and I was very tired and by doing it I had vibrations (body floating and felt as if my body was deformed or some parts were missing), all this happenned in few minutes (5-10). Very good technique try it :D
Interesting, might try this soon.
It's all about finding your focus. This is a good one.
But, the trick is that you have to find YOUR focus. This particular focus worked great for the author, but it won't work for everyone, because everyone is different.
Once you find which focus works best for YOU. You will literally be projecting as often as you want.
Its not just for the author of the post... but in general, you can go on other websites and youtube video comments where so many people say that they had their first LD with that technique. Its weird. I think it is because it is a physical act, and we are used to it, its not some mental act... But I agree with you that we all have to find what's right for us.
Superman, its more about intent then it is application. Instead of "climbing out of the body" via a rope technique, they are using a focus on their moving fingers. Sometimes we underestimate the power of intent. Many people report success with having a OBE after merely just reading a book or hearing a video/speaker on the topic in general.
I tried your technique above last night and did not have any good results with it. I usually become Lucid during the last Dream of the night. I thought this technique might help me get there earlier in my Dream cycle. It's been a while now since I have had a early Dream cycle LD.
But I enjoy experimenting, so I will give it it's fair shake. A one night attempt is never enough base to make a full judgement on.
I totaly agree with you lumaza :)
It may be something like placebo effetc ^^ but as long it works we dont complain ^^
Quote from: superman on May 12, 2016, 18:15:46
I totaly agree with you lumaza :)
It may be something like placebo effetc ^^ but as long it works we dont complain ^^
Yes, I am huge proponent on "if it's not broken, don't fix it". If it works then stay the course! :wink:
I will try this technique and post my results here. thanks
Can someone tell me what RC is :D?
Nvm lol Reality Check xD
Quote from: Positive3 on May 12, 2016, 20:27:13
Can someone tell me what RC is :D?
Really Cool. :D ;)
lol Xanth,
btw this is working(don't know if it was fingers or it just happened :D ) but was half fail for the first time i saw through my table and there were writings which i checked and aren't in physical i was realising that this was some kind of phase and most hard moment was, not to loose focus(was vivid as physical reality):D
all I have to say is WOW it actually worked I love it, I had two Lucid dreams. I don't remember much but I do remember some and i'll tell you why, which was my own fault. anyway I didn't wait til I had a couple hours of sleep I just did the technique as I was going to sleep and it worked awesomely, I do recommend doing it. Ok in my lucid dream I (60% lucidity) went back to my youthful days, if I remember correctly I was going back and forth from first person to being an observer, on most parts I changed some of the outcomes I didn't like by helping my younger self do a certain thing differently like gave him advices, then at one point being a observer I cried, and my younger self asked me what was wrong, I told him about my struggles of trying to achieve a AP. He came up with away of doing one and made a song about it so I could remember, but I winded up forgetting it, so I woke up and re-entered the lucid dream and told him to sing the song again, he did. Then I woke up thinking that I can lay down and be able to get up a little later to write my experience down, but I was wrong, I should had just got up and wrote it down, I winded up going to sleep and as you can see I wasn't able to give full details of the experience, the song is there in my head but I can't seem to grasp the word right now its fading. anyway still a great go of the technique, will try again tonight.
Oh man!
Just tried this technique last night.
First, I got into deep trance. Was working towards bodyasleep, Mind awake stage.
After this I usually just wait for the vibes to set in. But this time I tried fild.
Mind blowing! It was so fast and so effective. I used three times in a row to Astral project yesterday.
Everyone must give this a shot
When i wake up i am lazy to move my fingers lol
Quote from: Positive3 on May 16, 2016, 06:52:16
When i wake up i am lazy to move my fingers lol
Firstly, you shouldn't move your fingers. It's similar to phantom wiggle.
Secondly, I don't do it after waking up. I do it while going to sleep at night
Uhm i watched a video on original post and he was moving them a little : P
my problem is that when i am tired i can just close my eyes and even if it's apocalypse outside i fall as sleep instatly, without realising it
Quote from: Positive3 on May 16, 2016, 07:43:47
my problem is that when i am tired i can just close my eyes and even if it's apocalypse outside i fall as sleep instatly, without realising it
Well, you better work on that
Quote from: dpk38 on May 16, 2016, 07:30:26
Firstly, you shouldn't move your fingers. It's similar to phantom wiggle.
That is not true. It will lead to a Phantom Wiggle. I will speak more on this after I reply to your next quote.
QuoteSecondly, I don't do it after waking up. I do it while going to sleep at night
Same difference. Focus is focus! :wink: The only thing that really changes is the degree of being fully conscious aware. When you abruptly awaken during your regular sleep cycle to roll over, etc., you are not fully consciously aware yet. When you first lie down to go to sleep you are still in the present. Meaning you are still fully aware of this here current physical reality.
Ok now to my further observations on this whole technique. I just returned from a out of town trip, so I couldn't post my results earlier.
I used this technique before I went to sleep and when I awoken abruptly in the night. I found that it much easier to do after a 4-6 hours of sleep. That is because I wasn't fully conscious yet. Just think of how you normally abruptly awake and how many times you don't even remember it because it was so easy to get back to sleep. Positive said it well in his quote "When I awaken I too lazy to move my fingers". When you first awaken abruptly, it is sooooooo easy to get back to sleep again. But Postiive, this is where your determination and "want" should be kicking in.
I would begin moving my fingers and in what would be somewhere in 5-10 minute span I would find that my "etheric fingers"
were actually the ones still moving. I had begun the motion using my physical ones, but after awhile my focus was still on my fingers and I knew it wasn't my physical fingers that were moving anymore. I practice a technique using Phantom Wiggling often and I am very versed on the difference between a physical and a etheric movement.
So yes, this is a excellent technique showing the true powers of focus and yes it did lead me to a night full of great LDs. I am enjoying this quite a bit. Thank You for the share Superman.
Now, to doing this before I "initially" went to bed to go to sleep. I would start with my focus on my moving fingers. But it seemed like an eternity before I actually fell asleep. It was much easier when I was already well into my or should I say after I interrupted my REM cycle. I did wake up more then usual though. But I did with a rather vague memory of having Dreamed at all. There was little to no Dream recall to be had, unlike when I did it after a 4-6 hour period of time. That's when I did experience some very bizarre and thought provoking adventures. They were very enjoyable though and stayed with me throughout the day.
I know it's only after almost a week of experimenting with it, but I will definitely give this technique
2 THUMBS UP! 8-)
Thank you for your in depth explanation. That really cleared up many doubts!
Quote from: dpk38 on May 16, 2016, 06:15:22
Oh man!
Just tried this technique last night.
First, I got into deep trance. Was working towards bodyasleep, Mind awake stage.
After this I usually just wait for the vibes to set in. But this time I tried fild.
Mind blowing! It was so fast and so effective. I used three times in a row to Astral project yesterday.
Everyone must give this a shot
Cool!!!
And yes just like you I do it before sleep when Im very tired. I feel the effects within 5 minutes. In the morning I have no will power, nor motivation, nor awarness... nothing lol just dead and lazy. :p
Will give this a try too and report back. Seems there's many good results from different people making it worthwhile trying.
After a dry period for a long time now (stressful physical life can take its toll and be grounding) I need some fresh input, trying sth new always motivates and brings some results, so this might be it.
:-)
I had some success with this technique last night
Also combined it with the wild technique as my neighbor was outside on his phone at 3.00am and it woke me up so I went to the toilet and then tried to get back to sleep but he was still chatting and it kept me awake until about 4.00am
All the time I was trying to doze off I was wiggling my fingers
I must have been in a unconscious dream but then suddenly my awareness snapped and I had the sudden instinct to separate from my body I felt like I was physically sitting up and I felt a sensation of pulling away from my real body
There were no vibrations or other exit signs it happened super fast and I had to actually check if I was out of body as it felt like I may have just woken up I jumped up and floated up through the celling into the attic everything went black
I think the experience carried on in a dream like scenario but awareness was fuzzy and I don't recall what happened upon waking
Good results though I'll have another few goes with this method :)
Can somebody pin this thread?
It does have the edge on many other methods so I can guess it'll become popular. I've set it as a sticky and we'll see how it goes.
The movements should be lightly done and this helps. If you are banging around physically I can't see it doing much, apart from wearing your fingers out lol.
The movements do appear to shift into the NP as your body falls asleep.
It does remind me of a reverse method when you're deep in SP and wiggle your toes to get out of it.
Fingers get you into the NP.
Toes get you into the physical.
Whatever next? Lol.
so far it has only worked once, and I been trying every time I get, just like any other technique I've ever tried it gives me 1-2 results and stops working.
I also had some success with it. Although the 2nd exit after the first went without finger wiggling.
Still, seems a good method worth keeping up for me.
I couldn't fall asleep while trying this method. I had napped after work and seemed to have trouble sleeping at night time while moving my fingers. After about two hours I thought I just might not be sleepy enough for it to work and stopped trying and fell asleep shortly after. Didn't nap after work today so I'm going to be trying it again. Wish me luck!
Hello!
So I'm a little confused. Do you literally tap your index and middle fingers or just slightly move them? Also, do you just concentrate on doing that and nothing else?
Thanks!!
UPDATE: I tried this last night and got to the point where I felt slight vibrations and also what looked like a purple flash in my mind. I guess I fell asleep then. That was the closest I have been in a long time.
Quote from: Rob29 on September 07, 2016, 17:23:36
Hello!
So I'm a little confused. Do you literally tap your index and middle fingers or just slightly move them? Also, do you just concentrate on doing that and nothing else?
Thanks!!
UPDATE: I tried this last night and got to the point where I felt slight vibrations and also what looked like a purple flash in my mind. I guess I fell asleep then. That was the closest I have been in a long time.
Rob,
LOL... As i'm reading through the posts I had the same question.....
Are you actual moving your physical fingers or is it about the feeling of moving the fingers your trying to induce.
How do you move your physical fingers and expect to separate?
I'm guessing you are wanting the feeling of moving and not physically moving....
Hopefully another experienced member can provide some guidance on this.
Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on September 29, 2018, 01:10:14
How do you move your physical fingers and expect to separate?
I'm guessing you are wanting the feeling of moving and not physically moving....
Hopefully another experienced member can provide some guidance on this.
In my experiences with this technique, it lead to me becoming aware in SP and having what started as a "RTZ" experience, as in a "duplicate" of my room, but it soon changed location. What occurred was I awoke in a mild SP and allowed it to strengthen. I then foun d that I was being whisked away by my ankles, somewhat dragged, very quickly down my hallway and then out my patio window. The first part of the experience was what I could only describe as my bed, bedroom and home in general. Once out the window, things became bizarre. So bizarre, that they overwhelmed me and I soon "clicked out".
I began "physically" moving my fingers, until I kind of zonked out. I am sure though that somewhere through the process, my physical fingers stopped moving, but now the feeling I was getting was more "etheric" in nature.
What this technique does for you is it keeps you somewhat consciously aware right to the "border line" of the sleep process. I found it useful.
Quote from: SCHMUSTIN on September 29, 2018, 01:10:14
Rob,
LOL... As i'm reading through the posts I had the same question.....
Are you actual moving your physical fingers or is it about the feeling of moving the fingers your trying to induce.
How do you move your physical fingers and expect to separate?
I'm guessing you are wanting the feeling of moving and not physically moving....
Hopefully another experienced member can provide some guidance on this.
From the author's linked post:
http://tinypic.com/r/2wrhl39/5 Here's a little video how i do the finger motion and how it works for me!
Lumaza - So you just concentrate on moving your fingers and keep your focus on the movement?
- How long did you practice this for until it worked for you?
Quote from: Rob29 on October 08, 2018, 21:51:36
Lumaza - So you just concentrate on moving your fingers and keep your focus on the movement?
Yes
Quote- How long did you practice this for until it worked for you?
It took a few times before it worked for me. But truth be told, it's just another "target focus, amongst the many. You could go to sleep focusing on your 3rd eye and still get the same results. You could even focus on your toes or that lamp beside your bed. The thing here is you are holding onto your awareness while your body goes to sleep naturally. Hence the label, "mind awake/body asleep" that we hear so often in this practice. When you naturally go to sleep, your conscious awareness wanes, as you "click out". You have many years of training in this. Head hits the pillow and it's light's out. Well, now we are trying to "rewire" the process.
To be able to continuously acquire this state, you need to change your "mindset" on a number of things. Most of those things go against our "human" physical conditioning.
The key is to learn how to hold that "awareness" and passively observe any of the many symptoms that "could" occur while doing it, until your body does go to sleep. I find that comes from daily practice.
I tried that one with the finger :-D
I think it worked :roll:
All I know is when I focus on my body in any ways or have an intention and maybe even a discomfort, like knowing that I need to get up because I feel the guilt of sleeping , it will give me all the symptoms, Vibration , falling off the bed or chair , sinking through the floor and get all mess-up with my blankets .... while this is happening I try my best to have that intention clear and also call for better vision. Most often I have not retained my awareness long enough to feel that I did anything different from all my experiences . I need much practice , but having done these exercises on a routine on many Saturdays , I noticed that now it will happen on its own , I will feel the separation and go into an nice experience that I can recall. They will be maybe a mixture of a dream landscape and some lucidity.
Quote from: Plume on October 11, 2018, 08:59:01
I need much practice , but having done these exercises on a routine on many Saturdays , I noticed that now it will happen on its own , I will feel the separation and go into an nice experience that I can recall. They will be maybe a mixture of a dream landscape and some lucidity.
Excellent Plume! 8-)
You are now seeing the benefits of your "routine" and continued practice sessions. Brain Entrainment is a real thing! :-)
That's wonderful Plume. You see setting up a routine shows your team when to expect you. :-)