I only started considering using Cannabis about 5 weeks ago.
I have a small range of physiological problems, including tight shoulders, tight forehead and eyes for various reasons.
I found that taking Cannabis helps me a lot to relax mind and body.
My idea is not to take Cannabis every day and forever, but to use it as a starting-boost and end up learning to let-go naturally and no longer needing the substance to get there.
Cannabis seems applicable for that idea because it leaves no bodily addiction.
I happen to believe that when used with care and responsibility that one can derive the positives of this drug, but I have a concern.
When I'm high on it, it feels like my Etheric Body is greatly expanding outwards, my brown chakra is stimulated and my legs vibrate. I don't feel foggy in my mind, I see my thoughts manifesting in pictures, the well known Marijuana effect of that it's helping to "work things out".
While undoubtedly Marijuana has great health benefits on the physical body I worry that it can weaken my etheric shielding.
It is clear to me that Alcohol does, strictly said, take down our etheric shielding and this is why i'm also strictly staying away from it, even though the relaxing effects might be nice sometimes. This is a critical point of where a drug's negative effects outweigh the positives for a person like me who wants to stay etherically and spiritually as pure as possible.
I know it from my relatives, they smoke cigs, smoke Marijuana and drink.
Having done the first two they appear normal but as soon as they start drinking, they progressively lose themselves and it seems that foreign energies or even beings begin to take great influence on them.
I fear that Marijuana might just do the same, that it might open my energy bodies up in a way that it would drop my energy shields, allowing beings and parasites from the Astral and etheric realms to attach to my energy bodies or even worse, attach somewhere where they can actively program or even steer my mind and affect my thinking.
I have so far only been high on it for about 8 times, not more and hence i'm asking.
I would like to hear qualified opinions from those of you who have experiences with Marijuana and who have a good knowledge about the Etheric body.
Thank you so much.
I consider the etheric body to be composed of stable and highly structured etheric matter, rather
like a complex and detailed ice sculpture compared to the more fluid types of subtle matter
generated during a projection.
In its contracted state (when the physical body is fully awake) the etheric body is surrounded by
a dense sheath, commonly called the vitality sheath, which acts both as an energetic storage layer
and as a protective barrier. It shields the sensitive interior from intrusive external energies,
atmospheres, and influences. The etheric body will normally only loosen this dense shieldlike
structure when it expands during sleep or during the trance state (in varying degrees, depending on
the depth of trance attained).
Fully expanded, it appears to begin absorbing fine energetic radiations — universal or cosmic
energy? chi? prana? — from the universe around it. The energy exchange ports covering the skin of
the physical body, especially in their expanded sleep state, seem to flower during this expansion and
become able to absorb and condense subtle energy radiations, trickling them into the etheric body's
vitality storage areas.
This process of etheric body expansion and refinement leaves neither the physical body nor the
original copy of mind, memory, and consciousness energetically vulnerable during sleep or
projection. In its expanded state, the etheric body seems to become far more sensitive to intrusive
energies, and forms something like an energetic perimeter alarm around the sleeping physical body.
I believe the underlying purpose of all subtle bodies, including the very densest of them, the
etheric body, is to allow the animating spirit consciousness to manifest through a living flesh-and blood
being. The subtle bodies hold the essential spirit firmly inside the physical body, thus binding
it inside the dimension of matter and hard experience. Etheric matter can thus be thought of as a
gluelike, bioenergetic vitality substance, binding and sustaining the animating spirit in its physical
body. This allows the spirit to manifest and express itself in the physical dimension, while still
allowing it to maintain firm energetic links with all of its higher levels of existence through a spectrum of higher and progressively more refined subtle bodies.
-Astral Dynamics by Robert Bruce
So the bottom line is no, smoking marijuana will not weaken your etheric shielding. If you feel that your Etheric Body is greatly expanding outwards then that means you are absorbing and condensing subtle energy radiations and sending them into the etheric body's vitality storage areas. It's usually better to do this with out the help of drugs, but i guess everyone's different.
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on August 02, 2009, 17:18:51
So the bottom line is no, smoking marijuana will not weaken your etheric shielding. If you feel that your Etheric Body is greatly expanding outwards then that means you are absorbing and condensing subtle energy radiations and sending them into the etheric body's vitality storage areas. It's usually better to do this with out the help of drugs, but i guess everyone's different.
But would not that mean that since my expanded aura absorbs more subtle energy radiations, that also attacks could be easier conducted, subtle-energies that are designed to have a negative effect on my etheric field and then directed at me?
I actually read that various humanoid ET species have engineered diminished Auras for themselves, allowing them to protect better against attacks of programming (through subtle-energies) on their field.
Whoow, sliding off here.
Well, what do you think is the reason that Alcohol seems to kill of people's shields afterall?
What is it in alcohol that allows so easily for foreign beings and foreign energies to have such a huge impact, or even begin to steer the drunken person?
Generally speaking, my fear is that since drugs tend to shut down hindering barriers, one could assume they also shut down protective barriers. But does Marijuana shut down one's shields? I do not think that we can generalize drugs.
It all depends on how much energy body development and meditation you are doing. If you are closed minded and watching horror movies all day then smoking marijuana might attract negative entities. But if you are a good person who meditates daily, eats healthy and has positive energy then nothing will shut down your shield. It all depends on the individual.
Quote from: kurtykurt42 on August 02, 2009, 18:01:06
It all depends on how much energy body development and meditation you are doing. If you are closed minded and watching horror movies all day then smoking marijuana might attract negative entities. But if you are a good person who meditates daily, eats healthy and has positive energy then nothing will shut down your shield. It all depends on the individual.
So you're saying it all comes down to LOA and that I could not get any etheric parasites as long as I'm focused on attracting positives.
I must say I have quite found the opposite happening these days. Good willed people suffer the most, seem to be targeted systematically.
My question remains, would Marijuana open some doors in my field that IN THEORY made my etheric field more vulnerable to attacks, attachments, energy vampirism etc.
I find marijuana to be great for discovering insights that I wouldn't have thought of before.
I feel like it was put here to experience different perspectives. Every time I am high I can see everything I do from a different perspective and it helps me get my ideas straight sometimes.
There's also times when I'm high and I'll be laying down or relaxing and I can feel my energy body with a great intensity. I had a good informative thread going but someone very against pot ruined that.
If you'd like to read my experience I also posted it on my website below.
i think cannabis would lead the spirit in the right way, because it highlights the OBE process, and stimulates that, via calming the mind, protecting the body, and slowing the thoughts, ya know. I personally feel that cannabis use regularly, like monthly is good, but if it becomes too often then it can mess up the AP process. So don't over use.
Alcohol on the other hand stops and harasses other bodily process that in turn interfere w/ AP process, so it's obviously not recommend for that reason and others.
ONEMANSJOURNEY, how often do you smoke? Do you feel your conscience is clear enough to have a strong AP journey? How often do u experience AP? I definitely agree w/ you that it helps w/ ethric body as well, but i'm not positive that i was able to AP because cannabis led me to inconsistencies in life, and would be same for AP experiences.
It doesn't seem that Tiny is concerned about the effect it will have on AP but the effect it will have on the "energy shield". But i agree with you, if you smoke and try to AP it doesn't work. :cry: Also, i end up never having any dreams either.
First off, great post! I have pondered this issue for years on end. I experimented with marijuana and found that my experiences can be quite profound, but in a different ballpark than astral projection or obe's. Marijuana is a sedative. There are different strains as well. Indica's target your body to relax (relax like a "stone") and sativa's are generally notorious for giving you a cerebral "high". None the less, both will give you something, but will take something in return.
Be aware of how your body feels after "coming down". When I smoked, I didn't project nor be aware of any dreams. It would be lights out when I hit the pillow and would wake up not remembering a thing from dreams. When I stopped...it all started to come back the very next day...hmm reminds me of your intuition with the effects of alcohol ( in which I fully agree :) ) I tried this a couple of times (years in between) and noticed the exact same results, which lead me to think that these results are for me and may not apply to others!
Radman32 knows it! "Cannabis led me to inconsistencies in life" which also ties into the advice of it becoming problematic if smoking it "becomes too often".
Take care,
Blue Giant
i just had a huge conversation w/ someone important to me about cannabis use and i was just wondering if u guys think that any use of pot is acceptable?
To answer the original question, i personally want to believe that it makes me safe from darn parasites and negative entities, but i haven't come to prove it.
I have a question about pot though, do u think that because of it's effects on easily opening the etheric body, and obtaining energy, that during 12/21/2012 that it will give them the capabilities to ascend, for it'll require the energy to lift off!???
Quote from: radman32 on August 04, 2009, 00:58:22
To answer the original question, i personally want to believe that it makes me safe from darn parasites and negative entities, but i haven't come to prove it.
That would be darn nice.
I should have dropped this in the Energy Body development forum but this here has way more views :-D
The last thing I read about Cannabis in another forum was people saying it causes spiked edges in one's aura and leaves a haze over the aura for a week.
The physical effects of Marijuana are so great but is it right the opposite with the going-ons with the Etheric body?
"Those who can, do... those who can't, smoke."
That's my quote from now on regarding anyone asking about using Pot to achieve altered states of consciousness. ;)
I've said it several times already on this forum, but I'll say it again.
You've chosen to embark upon a journey of, quite literally, epic proportions.
By using drugs, you're cheapening that journey. You're skipping all of the valuable lessons that you would have otherwise learned.
You know the saying... "The Journey is more important than the destination."
Don't skip the journey by using drugs, because that's the part you're supposed to experience and learn from.
Hehehe... I was just about to bring that up Tiny. I haven't been able to say that I've seen auras with spiked edges around those who have smoked, but I can say that it does shrink it. Oh and they don't call a dope strain HAZE for no reason :evil:
Xanth...I love that quote and I am to going to live by that :-D
Wow...indirectly this post has helped me out with some contradictory realities pertaining to dope. Thanks for that!!!
Quote from: Blue Giant on August 04, 2009, 13:21:13
Hehehe... I was just about to bring that up Tiny. I haven't been able to say that I've seen auras with spiked edges around those who have smoked, but I can say that it does shrink it. Oh and they don't call a dope strain HAZE for no reason :evil:
Xanth...I love that quote and I am to going to live by that :-D
Wow...indirectly this post has helped me out with some contradictory realities pertaining to dope. Thanks for that!!!
It shrinks the aura? That is very interesting, just as I thought it would do right the opposite!
Atleast when I'm high on it, i feel double broad...
if it shrinks auras i think that's a good thing :-)
ok, so what does it mean if your aura has spiked edges or shrunken? Does this pertain to all cannabis use? or does it fade? jw, and maybe that visual means something .. ?
Quote from: radman32 on August 05, 2009, 02:13:00
ok, so what does it mean if your aura has spiked edges or shrunken? Does this pertain to all cannabis use? or does it fade? jw, and maybe that visual means something .. ?
I have absolutely no idea but it's what they said. But you know, a lot of people claim a lot of things and sometimes they don't know what they're talking about, especially when they don't give reasoning to their 1-line claims.
However, if Cannabis really causes the Aura to shrink then I think we're talking about serious protection from attacks of subtle energies and programming.
I found a nice videoclip of a speech of Cathy O' Brien, victim of Gov. Mindcontrol programs.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=28170259
It is a known that LSD for example has been used in mindcontrol programs, and it was probably also created for this purpose, since it's inventor Albert Hoffmann was a swiss scientist allied to the Nazis at that time, who were well known as the pioneers of mindcontrol research, just before the end of the war. Then of course allied forces took over, captured stuff and the CIA started carrying on the Nazis' mind-control research, unfinished business, you know :wink:
If what Cathy says is true and Marijuana helps us to expand and break free from our programming, then it is a very clear case why Alcohol is legal and Marijuana isn't.
Found an article,
sounds very dire! :-(
http://www.conscioushealing.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=52&Itemid=43
A spiky aura generally means that your state of mind isn't quite normal.
You want a nice smooth aura usually.
Stuff like alcohol can cause the spiky aura.
Great article Tiny! I find that my bias is jaded and that the shrinking feeling is actually the depletion of energy due to overuse. However...this new article makes me beg to differ;)
So you people think that it isn't even worth taking for medical uses in responsible doses?
Quote from: Tiny on August 05, 2009, 12:17:06
So you people think that it isn't even worth taking for medical uses in responsible doses?
I thought the original question was whether it affects the etheric body?
Quote from: CFTraveler on August 05, 2009, 12:18:48
I thought the original question was whether it affects the etheric body?
That's what this is all about.
That's the point, if you already got your answer, why are you changing the question?
Quote from: CFTraveler on August 05, 2009, 12:27:54
That's the point, if you already got your answer, why are you changing the question?
I don't have the answer and an article and a few voices on another forum don't make up my mind, hence I came and asked the question here.
So do you want a yes or no answer as to whether marijuana will lower your etheric shield making you more vulnerable to negative entities?
Quote from: Tiny on August 05, 2009, 12:53:20
I don't have the answer and an article and a few voices on another forum don't make up my mind, hence I came and asked the question here.
I am only speaking of the answers I see in this forum.
I see you asking a question, getting answers and then changing the question to something else. Is it that you didn't like the answer, or were you looking for a more general approach?
so cannabis-use uses up enegry similarly to the way that the AP process does, then it's pretty much an OBE. i heard that euphoria is plainly having an OBE. So from what the article said, don't smoke in a negative environment, but from what i've seen, the stress isn't caused from inside the group of smokers but from someone who doesn't smoke. So pretty much smoke in nature. Now i'm not talking everyday, and i understand the need to naturally balance your life, but there's not a lot of places where you can live your life in the healthiest of ways.
Quote from: CFTraveler on August 05, 2009, 13:51:23
I am only speaking of the answers I see in this forum.
I see you asking a question, getting answers and then changing the question to something else. Is it that you didn't like the answer, or were you looking for a more general approach?
Well as you can see i asked some additional questions.
And yes, you are correct, I did not like the answers, I was hoping for something more elaborate rather than bits and pieces. It takes more than that for me to form an opinion.
I have had years of experience both in using Marijuana & in Meditation etc..
Now I do not use any mind altering substance at all...
Go and read any/or at least most scientific literature on anxiety related to substance use... It will all suggest that both Marijuana & Alcohol use will increase your Anxiety.. maybe at first you'll experience relaxation but it won't last.. From experience, first you'll notice yourself more anxious and irritable when you are not high & eventually you'll notice yourself anxious and irritable even when you are high = trouble
If you are using it to help you relax then choose something with less side effects and which will produce a less mind altering experience...
i believe drugs will in the long run hinder a person's evolution..
Sure giving up is easier than other drugs i've used but from experience it does damage your psyche...
The more you use the more it will effect your energy body..
I actually found my upper back and neck to be much more tight when i was using it than in the weeks following - ie. coming off
Your symptoms need to be addressed by finding and removing the cause rather than through suppressing the intelligence of your body through using drugs...
Quote from: newmethod on August 09, 2009, 17:51:33
first you'll notice yourself more anxious and irritable when you are not high & eventually you'll notice yourself anxious and irritable even when you are high = trouble
If you are using it to help you relax then choose something with less side effects and which will produce a less mind altering experience...
Your symptoms need to be addressed by finding and removing the cause rather than through suppressing the intelligence of your body through using drugs...
I appreciate your input,
however are you really sure that anxiety are caused by the substance itself rather than by the user's own instability?
From what I see it opens one up and will amplifie one's own tendencies, that means that bad emotions would come through more easily just like anything else. It is a pretty known thing about Marijuana that it takes you were you tend to go.
Experienced users of substances especially about the stronger ones recommend to take them only when in proper moods.
I have quite frankly not found any evidence for anxiety being caused by the substance itself. It's very important to consume quality Cannabis because some found on the street are contaminated with chemicals or even opium.
It also seems to make a huge difference whether the Cannabis is an Indica, Sativa or a hybrid leaning toward one of the two.
I think there's a certain discipline of self-control that is required with the openness that substances like Cannabis offers and which most people don't have.
QuoteGo and read any/or at least most scientific literature on anxiety related to substance use
Unfotunately many of those seem to be government sponsored and I have not a tad bit of interest in those.
In my few experiences I've found myself both in euphoric states aswell as paranoid states of which both were caused by my own tendencies.
Tiny,
You are talking with someone who has had about 15years of drug experinces on and off.. Trust me.. i've heard all this before..
Quote from: Tiny on August 10, 2009, 03:57:54
however are you really sure that anxiety are caused by the substance itself rather than by the user's own instability?
There are so many studies on this .. i put the search "TI marijuana or TI Cannabis and TI anxiety" (where TI = Title of the study) & I got 14945 results in the CINAHL Database (I've got access :))
Sure you'll find some that suggest that marijuana doesn't produce anxiety... but I could probably find some to suggest that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer...
IMO the anxiety is caused by the
effect of the drug on the physical & other bodies.. it is the
interaction of the drug on the individual... of course.. what else is it..
What you're trying to suggest is like saying "Guns don't kill people.."
The more you use & the more frequently.. the less stable your mind will become..
I wish my mind was as good now as it was when I was 14yrs old... back then it was laser sharp.. I could retrace multiple thoughts to find out what produced a certain thought or emotion.. (yeah i was doing that back then - reckon i must have had recent past lives as a monk or something) These days although my mind has healed a lot i reckon I could rarely do this for more than 3-4 thoughts
Quote from: Tiny on August 10, 2009, 03:57:54
From what I see it opens one up and will amplifie one's own tendencies, that means that bad emotions would come through more easily just like anything else. It is a pretty known thing about Marijuana that it takes you were you tend to go.
You talk like a newbie.. and that's fine... but here are a couple of ways to learn... largely
1. Through experience &
2. Through interacting with those that have had experience
Any mind altering substance will produce a drug induced effect... you have control.. sure... you have control over your emotions.. as long as you are AWARE... but you have much less control than when you are straight :)
But for me that was part of the game... making it harder for myself :(
Pot is pot. It's not a magical helpful drug, it's just fun and relaxing. Some people can't relax on their own and need some help to feel good. They find that spot and start to receive good insights during this mental/physical relaxation. Do not mistake this with a meditative state of consciousness. You've altered your physical consciousness, but it's not meditating.
It IS possible to feel this good and relaxed on your own, plus you won't get tired & burnout & fall asleep, and you'll have much more of a chance of a decent, timely AP. It's worth the practice in the long run. I suggest not getting baked and meditating spun together. They are 2 different experiences and it'll probably slow down your meditation progress.
Howdy I have to agree with stookie on this one sounds like he knows what he's talking about.
QuoteWhat you're trying to suggest is like saying "Guns don't kill people.."
That's exactly what I'm saying.
Quote
But for me that was part of the game... making it harder for myself
I'm not playing the game. I've come to know that this is not some cosmic evolution lalaland I'd have willingly joined to learn from suffering and pain, you see.
But let's rather not get running on that one pls :-D
QuoteThey are 2 different experiences and it'll probably slow down your meditation progress.
I probably have a completly different prospect of meditation than most.
The second reason it shouldn't be generalized I think is because Cannabis Sativa and Cannabis Indica are two most different drugs. The two species produce the same chemicals but in different abundances. You have THC, CBD, CBN, one of em is responsible for the body buzz, the other head high etc.
Anyways, I have found that Cannabis indeed helps with the kind of "meditation" I anticipate.
It is not the kind of emptiness, silent meditation but a more connected meditation with open eyes. Cannabis helps me there really greatly from my experience. It's pretty much a magic tool for me and it has it's potential for the focused user. The problem is just that most people don't have a goal, they ask the substance to control them.
Your intention is in the right place. I don't want to play preacher and say what is right or wrong, but after a while I bet you'll find that your experience with ganja will only take you so far, like continually being stuck at step 1. Maybe make a few attempts at meditation completely sober, then "contemplate" it afterwards. I bet you'll be surprised on how easy it is to alter your consciousness on your own, especially after your current experiences. After you make that conscious "switch", it's easy to see why the sticky-icky can hold you back. Imagine being completely sober and then climbing through a wormhole into an alien universe. It's an amazing experience. And I'm definitely not a natural at it.
really, i've had the most success in meditating will high on cannabis, and it helps me meditate, and since nobody wants to come over and help me out in the real, i'd rather get my guidance from ganja. Although i've been progressive and hopeful, i don't know how much longer i can take the agony. I think tiny though, cuz i'd have good intentions if people didn't bonk w/ me. and i do believe in seldomly using it, but think of the potential of harnessing it's strengths? i've heard of some wacko possibilities ganja has, like real OBE excrement. so for now i'm going to stay off it though
I feel that while weed may induce projection, it is cheating...if you have to use an outside substance to make it happen than you don't deserve to do it....however I have had the most vivid projections while under the influence. I still feel like the use of outside substances is a short cut used by those who dont want to put the time and effort into making it happen.