Mushrooms and Astral Vision

[The AlphaOmega]

I've taken mushrooms and know the affects.  I wouldn't necissarily take your word on anything that happened in a shroom trip because the real world itself and everything in it is 'not really real' when you're tripping.  The mind plays incredible tricks on you.  If it's not a sober experience, I question it's validity.

[Logic]

Define real please.

[TheSeeker]

The mind plays tricks on your when you project also.  And, it's good that you question the validity, you should always question!  I've had some experiences validated with people I've been with.

For instace:  My friend and I were finishing each other's thoughts outloud, thoughts that had nothing to do with what was going on outside of our minds.  I thought for a moment (while shrooming) that I might have been creating it all with my mind.  But, the next day we discussed it, and validated the experience.

[The AlphaOmega]

I guess anything is possible.  Mushrooms are definately fun to do, but one thing is for certain, you can't clear your mind.  I'm not exactly sure how someone would go about even trying to project while they are shrooming, everything is just too strange.  But who am I to say it can't happen?  Maybe I'll just have to give it a whirl.

[TheSeeker]

I've never had an OBE doing them, but if you do enough you might just be forced out.  My friend was on LSD, and he is not spiritual at all, but he said for a few hours he had his back to the ceiling and was looking at me and him laying on the floor.  But, he was sort of lost in deep thought so he didn't pay much attention to it, he just kinda chilled there.

[jc84corvette]

There's this shroom that is ment for OBE's...Forgott the name. Bevis what was it?

[The AlphaOmega]

I'm having a hard time believing.  I've watched friends on shrooms who thought they had actually died and were now in the afterlife.  I've tripped and believed I knew all the answers to existence, no questions asked.  I mean, to believe that you are out of body would not be so uncommon to me.  However, the defining factor is that once I am done tripping I remember everything but I am in the right frame of mind to know that it was just the drug, not real.  So I guess maybe if someone remembered everything once they were sober and still believed that something beyond just the drug happened, then maybe it could be real.  I'm just not sure, but I know that the whole purpose of doing drugs is to lose your mind.  If you were happy with reality, then you wouldn't do drugs to try and escape from it.  But when you escape from reality (which drugs undeniably) then how can you be 100% certain what is reality and what is hallucination?  Keep in mind, hallucinations aren't always things you see that aren't real.  A hallucination can be something you THINK that isn't real.

[TheSeeker]

I've had the feeling of knowing the truth of existence, and have then gone on to read stuff that went along with the thoughts I was having.

Perhaps your friends were aware that they were indeed a soul, and not being used to this/combined with the drug, assumed they were dead.

[rodentmouse]

ive done mushrooms too, and mushimagick im totally with what  your saying. To many things seem to be  pointing to a  possible spiritual awakening in man...
The experience  you have on mushrooms is  beyond  anything you  could  comprehend  before doing them, for the people  who think they  have the right  to  say  mushrooms are bad because they associate "drugs"  with addiction, homelessness etc  have no idea...

Theyll make  you feel more conscious  than  you ever have, they make you realise what religion is, the point of it,  the  ideas of heaven and hell-  all a state of being,  you will know what buddha, jesus etc have encouraged us to do...

This  higher and more evolved way of living...

when i was high on them,  i could fully  feel how everything was one, how  the only real aspect within anything was  consciousness- and  that expanding this consciousness was the point of all existence.

I was so happy i was crying, and when i began meditating on the love i was feeling the sacred "AUM"  started to resonate through me and everything-  this made me realise what Buddhism was about- a complete visceral  understanding of  what heaven is meant to be..

This to me  was a fullblown , valid spiritual experience-  i now  know what i am trying to acheive when i meditate,  or why i want to learn how to OBE-  to explore  these very real,  very happening planes of being.

I see in the future,  science and psychology  begin to  understand eastern concepts such as yoga, and begin to take research into ESP and  astral projection seriously, and  discover the correlations between drug induced hightened states of consciousness and states reached  in a natural meditative-trance state.

Thats why i look forward to all this 2012  stuff, its got me really excited  thinking "what if something big is gonna happen  which is gonna completely revolutionise life on earth"  because since were beggining  to take  the metaphysical more  seriously  (the existence of the  astral pulse for example)  what if all these fragments of knowledge from all over come together and triggers a new age..

I would imagine your experience mushie may be reffering  to  this.

I see being on mushrooms as being closer to home, and closer to everything.  i think  the awareness of being on mushrooms  will one day be our natural state, it seems so completely logical.

i always try and do a new drug, just to have a different experience of what  it means to be alive.

[shanti]

hey guys, forgive the intrusion here I'm a newy online and just wanted to add abit bout shrooms...well drugs. I've done more than my fair share of them in my travells, and one of the best was in nepal on a shroom omelette, I had some with the locals and had the usual visuals but it wasnt until I was on my own late at night looking at the forest across the local lake the I could see the connection between everything (im talking about a real physical connecton) I could see a silver thread connecting everything to everything, the forest had a beautiful astral body that glowed...it was one of the best nights I've had, it left me with a profound peace.
One other thing I've noticed of late tho, the more I've meditated the less I've felt the urge to explore going thro that door...anyone else find that?
shanti

[TheSeeker]

Hello RodentMouse, you put into words the feeling I get too.  I can feel the interconnectedness of everything clearly, and I fell more concious than ever, and I realize that this is what I'm aiming for with meditation, etc.

Thanks for putting it into words so well []

[ralphm]

I wouldsay that psychedelics are ok to do for a while but meditation and naturally cultivated altered states is really where it's at-when you really get out there without drugs you know there is really something to this trip.

[rodentmouse]

heres a song i wrote based on my mushroom experience, its called "edible heaven"

i tasted heaven, infinity, in space

freedom i lost myself
the now is mine
everything is love
pure bliss and joy
the source and i is heart and light

the planets just dissapeared
in a timeless state
where i did not exist
nothingness
a higher plane
where mind is mass

WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE
WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE
WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE
WATER GAS THE AIR ITS EVERYWHERE

i tasted heaven, infinity, in space
heaven, samhadi, enlightenment, for US.

the song lasts about 15 minuites.

[Yerzak06]

*clicks my lighter and waves in the air*

[Logic]

sounds like a tool song

[elektralsole]

I agree with Ralphm.  Personally all mushrooms have ever done for me is make me laugh and feel happy.  If for some reason I wanted to project while on them, I feel I would not have as much control on my etheric body and the experience in general as I do now.

Overall, we already possess all the faculties needed to expand our conciousness.  To grow dependant on a crutch such as hallucinogens or other chemicals is just not necessary.  But used as an aid to gain  SOME (not all) of experience/feelings involved may help... but I see it as being the lazy man's way out and people will just end up being dependent on it.

-Peace-

[TheSeeker]

I agree that we don't need them, but that doesn't mean I won't use them.  I only do it rarely though, like 3-4 times a year.

And I only laugh and feel happy, if I don't eat that much.  I've had way way more than that happen, you must not have really tripped.  Alochol can make you laugh and feel happy, tripping is nothing like that.

[elektralsole]

Oh I ate enough and I knew that I could have tripped but I didn't allow it to happen.  

As I stated before I don't need extra chemicals to help me "trip".  I do just fine on my own.

[8D]

-Peace-

[gleizner]

Hi MushieMagick!

    My take on it, as someone who has entered into the states you've described through psilocybin, LSD, mescaline, some MDMA, and also through only pure meditation (or while having a particularly strong "spiritual moment" in my life), is that the use of these drugs (while mixed with strong spiritual intent) allows you to glimpse states of higher dimensional perception, call it 4th dimensional or 5th dimensional if you will...  Due to my use of 4th dimensional as describing the movement of 3 dimensions through time, I prefer the 5th, although when you hear about the "5th dimension", this may be a different concept.

    These are (I believe) natural states inherent to the human physical vessel, be it nervous system, brain, etc or any combination, but that these states are ones we have become increasingly detached from over the past several thousand years.  As our focus became more material and less spiritual we as a species "forgot" how to use this part of our perceptual toolkit.  What drugs can allow is a 4-12 hour glimpse of what is attainable through other disciplines such as meditation, yoga, body work, energy work, what have you.  

    Would that be the "etheric or astral" you ask - my guess is that that experience is an overlay of both etheric and astral (heavier emphasis on astral) perceptions (normally unconscious to us) over physical reality.  In this way we are taking all of these perceptions and refocusing them to work through the measley 5 senses we have, which is why we can experience such a great variety of visual, audial and tactile stimulation, as well as synesthesia, or the ability to perceive something visual as a sound, a sound as visual imagery, whatever.  

    In these states, everything takes on the profoundly personal feeling that magicians describe as their common state of awareness.  We realize fully that we create our own reality instantly with our beliefs and suddenly our memory of our own control over our reality is blatant and obvious and we know then that we never really forgot it, but were pretending to be ignorant.  We relax, realize that everything is fine and then eventually come off the trip.  Of course when everything's been back to normal for awhile we lose the ability to conjure that feeling or remember the things we knew so clearly, and once again we are "pretending to forget", which is a frustrating concept, since we try so hard to remember.

Personally, drugs did this for me in this order:

First, I tried drinking - it relaxed me and caused me to become more sociable, but in general was unsatisfying.

Secondly, I began smoking pot, and this caused my personal anxiety, something I've experienced all my life and thought completely normal, to dissolve, showing me how to loosen up and resolve anxiety without the need for any chemical.

Thirdly, I tried ecstasy, which caused all of my emotional issues to come to a head.  All blocks were cleared, all damaged or slightly damaged interpersonal connections were recognized and (within a week from the experience) cleared and properly healed.  I came to a greater acceptance of the parts of myself which I had, up to that point, denied so strongly to myself.  This caused my energy to become balanced, cleaned, and a layer of fear, based around the tenseness of 19 years of built-up emotional gunk, to fall away.

Next, I tried LSD.  I had had mystical experiences and out of body experiences before, and had just shed Christianity entirely from my system of interacting with the world.  I was agnostically searching, open to anything, and LSD showed me with great clarity how alive all things are, the energy patterns that make them up, how new and fresh the moment of Now is, and just how incredibly powerful and knowledgeable I was about the workings of my life and my consciousness.  Of course this dissolved soon after the trip, but I used mushrooms, mescaline, LSD and morning glory seeds and got different but similar results from each one.  

    However after the tripping brought me back to a direct connection with my higher self, or the part of me that knows all the things that this little fragment of me desperately desired to learn, my entire life opened up.  I no longer had even the option of believing in coincidence, since I had seen how directly and instantly consciousness weaves the threads of our physical reality.  The inherent fear deep in me was reduced to nearly nothing, I found myself feeling a true "right" to be in the world, as the world as I know it is being created by me.  I also realized the necessity of taking responsibility for everything as a part of myself, rather than resisting anything, thereby causing it to persist.

    In other words, my happiness, looseness, social skills, compassion, deep love for all things as part of the one whole (and all conscious, from the molecules of the floor I'm standing on to the clouds in the sky), and ability to affect positive changes in my life and those around me are owed in a large part to these drugs.  Would I have gotten there anyway?  Probably, about 20 years from now, after going through who knows what kind of personal hell.  There are shortcuts and previews available in the spiritual path, and as long as you aren't merely creating and manifesting what you think you should see or what you currently believe (be careful of this trippers - don't believe anything as absolute!  A higher entity or part of yourself may communicate with you, and if you're Christian, you think you saw Christ.  If you're buddhist, you think you saw Buddha, so on...  Don't try to label or lock down anything you experience, or you'll only have one more barrier to lift in the long run), the benefits of these tools can be fantastic.  

    However, becoming reliant on the tools is an attachment.  At some point we must realize that the experiences we have on drugs, no matter how far from our everyday experience, is still completely accessible to us without these tools.  The real tool is our own consciousness.  Consciousness altering drugs are here due to our need to reach these natural states combined with humanity's current trend of needing to externalize everything.  We keep external gods, external concepts, external tools for consciousness expansion.  But when we click back into that zone, there we are, the center of our own private movie, understanding intrinsically that there is no separation between ourselves and anything else.

JP

[Aileron]

The neurological concept of self is defined consistantly through experience and the different levels of awareness which is defined through the minds understanding of current and present.
When we are experiencing reality through substance, we are still expriencing reality, but we will need to differentiate between what is realities concept of the spiritual, astral and ethereal self, and what is just what we desire to see, or what our mind plays with.
Really whether we are hallucinating by way of substance, meditation, fasting, dream, or just fates hand, its up to our individual selves to understand what it means and how it is interpreted.

LSD, mushrooms, mescaline/peyote, and other such substances have always been linked to spiritual visions or spirit quests because they are part of a certain cultures religion or mythos. What needs to happen is control in order to lose control.
LSD will gather sense towards designer chaos. In this you will have a difficult time understanding the self, but still interacting with the subconscious.
Mushrooms are similar yet have a unique effect in that you will have the ability to sleep, and control what feels untcontrolled
Mescaline/peyote has been the primary spiritual substance in that the negative and positive aspects of the drug enhance what you make out of the experience. Such as being in the desert, seeing a coyote and following that coyote to a tower. The tower sinks into the ground and a single monolith is left standing in its place. An epitaph apears on the monolith which you cannot read, but you know. The knowledge of the epitaph create a connection to both death and life, and you see then that the tower represented you and your temple(YOur body)and the coyote is the path you must follow in order to understand and acknowledge your body in order to keep it from self-destruction.

Drugs are drugs man, just learn what drugs do what, and how to seperate reality from vision, and vision from insubstantial hallucination.

[Mystic Cloud]

#"¤#¤#"¤!%!% Computer devil, lost a 50 lines long post [!]

So let me begin from scratch....

What is astonishing is that the substance Psilocybin is chemically very similar to N,N-DMT and 5-HT (Serotonin) and might even work
as a neurotransmitter in our brains.

Then some background on drugs:

There has been a govermental war against drugs now for sometime. Which literally means goverments and other political forces pushing bovine excrement propaganda about some substance. Even one politician who got elected president because of his crusade against a substance about which he probably didn't know any facts of. During this crusade against drugs
they banned ALL research on those substances, making it impossible to gather any information about them at all otherwise than breaking the law and being at risk getting fined/thrown to prison.

A bit later this changed and it was allowed to do research on some chemicals constricted to publish ONLY of the negative sides of a substance.

Then in the public after many many years of propaganda in news papers about the dangerousness of drugs in general most people has gotten astray from the real facts about the substances. My estimation here in Finland about people is that 80-90% does not know a jackshit about drugs or what they do other than has been written and spooked in news articles. What is even more sad is that this group of people doesn't even bother to dig out the real facts, but blindly believe that this is how it is and repeat the litany "drugs are bad mmm'kay!". What is even more ridiculous is that they regard caffeine, alcohol, nicotine and medicines as less dangerous than the so scareful 'drugs' they have read about. When they should on a fact level be in the same category and even when under same category every substance should be researched and held under it's OWN positive&negative sides and health risks.

Then there is the other ridiculous very small group that promote only the positive sides of the drugs and neglates any negative things they hear/read/experience about it.

My personal experience and opinion about entheogens(you may also call them psychedelics) is that they give you a straight look into your own mind and realm of the subconsciousness. They might also be a tool in changing your subconsciousness to either worse or the better. (Comparable to deep hypnosis suggestions that stays a long time in both negative and positive ). They can also give you a major spiritual shake or wakeup. The bad thing about the experiences is that they can be very overwhelming and traumatizing and you might not be able to escape from it for the next 8 hours before the substance leaves the bloodflow. (How would you feel
if you didn't have a spiritual background and took something only because you thought you would get euphoria from it and later notice that you get thrown into a spiritual realm with demons, ghosts and weird entities playing tricks on you which feels more real than when being sober and awake?)

I think that entheogens project your subconsciousness into your waking state, so it can be a bit compared to seeing dreams while wide awake.
In my own opinion all drug experiences are solid real, even if they were illusions. Saying that they are unreal is like saying that your own emotion is wrong and not real.

Many think about entheogens as the key to unlocking the secrets of the human mind...

Ugh this was not nearly all of what I wrote before the crash but maybe it is of some use anyways

[Saints]

quote:Originally posted by MushieMagick



      Greetings everyone and great to be in this enviroment. I just wanted to ask a general question to see what everyone thinks. In the dimension (heaven realm) that I altered my frequency to get to while in the mushroom trance, I could walk around and LUCID-ly see the 4th / 5th dimension full of life waving around me with the higher beings watching my at all angles. Would this be the etheric or astral??? When my friend would move I could see him connected to the area around him which was animated by his thoughts and intention (thats the future) in full color. I just wanted to hear some opinions on what plane the spirit of the mushroom takes one to with the proper intention. When I increaced my love for the divine I was propelled to higher and higher realms until full unity was realized. Any thoughts appreciated and thx for your time.............

Chad

Chad, I always felt that using drugs was wasting time.  The experience ultimately was contaminated.  By using anything beyond air, and will power (our internal apparatus) we lose.  We lose time and we lose a willing astralnaut. I don't think there is any difference between using LSD, mushrooms, or alcohol.  They all result in some altered state that is directly linked to the drug. Without the drug, you couldn't have that experience. Yet if you use will power, breathing and relaxation, the consequence is more predictable, therefore, the observations are more reliable, and more helpful in understanding the new frontier.  Your stuff is contaminated by excrement.  It stinks.  If you took another 'room', you'd have an different wasted experience. Its not like you could predict the specific outcome of the drug's effect, like taking asprin, tylenol. Look at your descriptions, information. Look at the way you write....your observations are so abstract, you don't have the vocabulary to describe them.  Your reference to the mushroom web page is ridiculous! That writer is disqualified as an astral observer. He suxs!  Babbling, blah, blah, blah....its meaningless gibberish.  So what! There is no revelation here!  One million readers will draw one million different observations from that excrement.  If you can't convey what your observer and repeat it....then what? You got nothing!  Its called an hallucination. In this case, a chemically induced one.  What have you learned?  Your wasting time!!!!!!!!!!! If the astral is that incomprehensible, no wonder we have the physical plane to assist us to organizing our thoughts!  What I need is someone who is 'awake', 'lucid', and can transfer awarness into the astral and record observations. Drop the junk and use your internal apparatus. It works if you develop it.

[carolineneedham]

Ok, I'm back.  Before the workshop I said I was growing some Psilocybin Cubensis mushrooms, well I thought I'd let you know how it went.

First of all, I'd never done anything like this before, all my previous experiences were 'natural', lucid dreams, projections etc.  So why the change?  I learnt more, and the more I learnt the more open minded I became to certain entheogens.  I began to see them as valid tools, for some people some of the time.  Was I one of those people?  

I'd read/heard much Terrence McKenna, and was interested in the communication with the Other that he describes.

I started with a tea of six mushrooms (equal to 1 dry gram).  This caused the internal conversation but no visuals.  A while later, feeling more confident I did 30 in a tea (equivalent to 5 dry grams).  Below are excerpts from my notes:

Thinking as it begins that this experience is like, rather than leaving my body to travel to other dimensions, I stay in my body and the dimensions unfold around me.  Asking questions, start up an internal dialogue.  During the early stages there is this buzzing and crackling.  On two occasions this buzzing ('physically' audible) comes right into the centre of my head, louder and louder, head buzzing from within, as if there's a bee in there, then stops.  It felt like a homing beacon, a targeting device to pinpoint me in reality?   Felt as if there were fingers, black, like a huge network, like fungal mycelium.  A communication network?  Is this an (alien) technology?  That's what it feels like, a communication technology.

Opening and closing eyes, experimenting with internal Vs external reality.  It's as if I'm a thin shell on the surface, I can 'flip' inside and outside.  Realize it's all the same reality, just a different perception.  Open my eyes and the psychedelic effects are just beginning.  They're overlaid over 'normal' reality.  Ceiling starts to move, patterns swirling.  The patterns take the form of hieroglyphs, figures, symbols, Egyptian and Aztec

The voice starts talking about 'reality fields' and 'wave interference patterns'.  I'm told that when I'm alone I am making the universe, but when our perceptions interact our interference patterns collide, and our collective consciousness then creates reality.  Feel great, buzzing, happy.  Told I should just enjoy this state of being, should always enjoy just 'being'.

I'm in touch with everything.  When I'm on the outside (i.e. with my eyes open) I am everything, connected to everything, everyone everywhere.  If I close my eyes especially I can remember anything.  Can dip and out of any memory, real or dream, with complete recall, unlike conscious memory.  As I'm dipping into memories there is a kind of buzzing and crackling just outside my left ear.  Feels like a 'technology' again.

Feel as if I know how a schizophrenic must feel.  Feel 'trapped' inside my shell, looking out of my eyes as if they're windows, an observer not a participant.  Everything glows, has a luminesant aura, an inner glow, things are 'more' than they are hear, more beautiful, more vivid, more real (very Doors of Perception).  Told that we (our consciousness) create the universe.  I've heard this before I think, I've read this before, 'why are you telling me something I already know?'  'We keep telling people this, (the authors you've read) but you (they) never listen, so you have to keep coming back for the same message'!  Consciousness creates reality; you make your own universe!  All are connected, all are one.

Takes a couple of hours to come down.  Wish it was faster, feel I've got the information I came for and ready to return.  Wonder if I should do this again, can I get any more information if I come back, undecided.

[kiauma]

Fantastic post Gleizner!  I agree with everything you've said, even though drugs have never been my thing.  I was lucky in youth, seeming to have a natural inclination to the openness you describe - not socially, but spiritually.

On this subject though, I found this site to be a wealth of information;

http://deoxy.org/index.htm

[jayselect]

I thought i would reply because me myself have done mushrooms, and lsd many a time. I will tell you this, don't eat to many your first time. I would say more like a fourth of half quarter(an eigth), and if you don't feel high enough go for more.

And a little tip, your first time using them put them on a sandwich or something, cause if you get high sometimes the taste comes back to haunt you. I have seen people throw up from thinking of the taste after taking them.