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Astral Projection starting to feel more like a dream?
Option 1: what?
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Option 2: does this mean
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Hey guys, I'm new on here so it may take me a little to understand how everything works. I've been putting off joining a forum for a long time but I just had the urge to do it now :-P
Alright so I'll explain my history concerning astral projection in the most condensed way possible.
About 5 years ago the sleep paralysis started. I was in high school at the time. I would open my eyes in the beginning but once I got used to it and saw some things I'd rather not have seen, (my body being pulled, figures, etc) I kept my eyes closed and waited to fall back asleep. This was going on nearly every night for a long time.
2 or so years ago, I started to wake up with the strong vibrations surging through my body and loud drilling and static noises in my head. For about 6 months I let it go, figuring it was just a lesser (and more peaceful, if you could imagine) form of sleep paralysis. One day I was compelled to do a google search and found out it was linked to OBEs. I honestly never expected that.
So I bought a book about Astral Projection and read up on it on the internet, fascinated by it. This was happening every night in the beginning but when the time came to try to leave my body, I'd remain still with my eyes shut tight and say "no, no, no" in my head until the vibrations and the feeling of being lifted went away. I would panic.
And so this has been happening for the past 2 years. After a while, however, it was happening less and less. Being at the end of college now, I'm extremely busy and would even say aloud before going to sleep, (I don't know who I think I'm talk to) "please don't let it happen tonight, I'm too busy" and sometimes it would, but mostly it wouldn't.
But when I TRY for it to happen, it never does. My interest for it has not been lost, (I'd actually even argue that I think about it more than I should) there are just times where I'm a bit too overwhelmed to deal with it. In any regard, I never actually leave my body (knowingly) because I still panic.
But this leads to my question: For the past few months since it's been happening less, on the nights it does happen, it feels a lot more like a dream. I don't know exactly how to explain it but when it happened in the beginning, I KNEW it wasn't a dream. I knew I was awake and I was aware of the vibrations and they were so strong and defiant, and I would wake up right after and remember it immediately. Now, when it happens, I still feel like it is somewhat real but I don't remember it as strongly. It sometimes takes until the next day for something to trigger my memory and then I can say "oh yeah, that happened last night". It just feels a lot more lucid.
For example, last night it was CONSTANT. I could not sleep without the vibrations happening. Or maybe I was asleep and I was only dreaming about it. But I remember at a point, my teeth were chattering from the vibrations. And then I remember running outside and looking at my house but it looked completely different. And so I don't know if I actually left my body or if this was all just a dream. I just want to know the opinions of experienced astral projecters. Or why it seems to be occurring in this fashion now. Is it because I'm too scared to do it consciously?
I genuinely want to try it, I'm mostly just scared of negative entities on the other side. Sometimes I think it's my grandfather trying to get me to go. Ironically, the anniversary of his passing was yesterday, and that's when it was happening all night. So, there's that.
Thank you if you actually took the time to read this novel. Any feedback would be great.
Cheers :-)
Lauren
Quote from: Laurenarms on December 02, 2012, 19:25:44
About 5 years ago the sleep paralysis started.
That's the right line to pull me into your posting! ;) I can relate to this because I had the same introduction to OOBEs... however, I nurtured my SP to become more deeper.
You have subconsciously distanced yourself from it not wanting to happen me thinks... causing it to be remembered on your back burners or tucked away in your memories.
Have a read of this.. if you haven't read it already... you are the type of person I wrote it for...
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/sleep_paralysis_the_whats_whys_and_wherefores-t38734.0.html
So.. first I would really like to know when you first started experiencing it... before sleep? middle of the night? in the morning?
Quote from: Laurenarms on December 02, 2012, 19:25:44
I genuinely want to try it, I'm mostly just scared of negative entities on the other side. Sometimes I think it's my grandfather trying to get me to go.
Your unconscious fears will use whatever tactic to build up a reason. Trust me.. .I was seeing my mother being stabbed and tortured whilst undergoing Sleep Paralysis when I was a kid... it took the form of a xanomorph from Aliens.. sometimes the Blob... goblins... The lot. It was this cacophony of phoney fears that actually made me think.. 'Hang on.. this is trickery"
So beautifully written and informative. Your knowledge on the topic is admirable. The visions of your mother must've been crazy to see a child but at least you've learned the reality of it. Now I understand too.
You're probably right about the OBE thing. I'm just so wishy-washy and choosy about when I want it to happen and that's probably why it's harder to remember. But you believe it still is happening, right? And would you say that the entities in the astral plane are really there or is it similar to that of sleep paralysis and that there is nothing to fear?
I was about 15 when I first got sleep paralysis and 18 when it started feeling more vibrational. In these years, I'd say 95% of the time, I would wake up with it in the middle of the night. Only a few times has it happened in the morning or during a nap
Aaaw thanks Laurenarms. :-D
It never really happens to me during a nap... it is the nap that causes it to happen when I go to bed later on.
We dream in non-REM sleep... it's a different type of dreaming.
A classic finding from the Golden Age of Sleep Research is that very different sorts of dreams occur in REM and non-REM sleep stages. REM dreams are like a narrative or story in which one is a believing participant. This feeling of participating in another world, an alternative reality as it were. This probably mostly correlates with Phasing.. as Phasing doesn't use the REM atonia state.
Non-REM dreams, by contrast, feel like ordinary thinking. They are not like being in a different world; they are like thinking about recent events. People in non-REM sleep sometimes deny they have been sleeping at all, even when they have been snoring with their eyes shut, perhaps because their thoughts were so similar to normal waking thoughts. This is also the state that people sleep walk (somnambulism) in. Luckily a sense of reality still pervades. lol
When you are just about to slip into REM you have a sort of micro-wake. This will be when you experience your SP. You are slipping out of non-REM straight into REM but consciously.
I have a nap that basically uses up my non-REM sleep time... and then continue it when I go to bed later on a few hours later. This is an original self-realised version of the WBTB (Wake-Back-To-Bed) method. It also works with most people. This causes SP to happen the moment I relax after going to bed.. there is no break in consciousness.. which does help a little bit with staying focused and un-wrapped up in the fear. Still happens though when I'm caught off guard.
Some wake up from a Lucid Dream to find themselves in SP.
The entities in the nonphysical are a different kettle of fish to the hallucinatory ones that are fear based when in SP. While in SP you are still attached mentally to your physical based fears. Once free and focused purely within the non-physical I have never EVER experienced the presence, sheer dark naked terror or doom that accompanies SP.
I honestly can't say they aren't real sentient independent-of-me beings. I will say I believe that they are real.