You little scamp!

[Luthor]

Hi AP, my first real post so uh.. be gentle with me.

I read a frankly disturbing E-book last night. I won't name it but it involved Astral warriors and Cannibalistic once human Lich's (don't ask) that stalk the astral plains. I should have been more discerning and honestly it's not a slippers and cocoa before bed read.

I believe that intent, emotion and thought creates the AP landscape. Certainly the fuzzy LD type stuff I've experienced so far (I'm not quite there yet).  I'm undecided on the subconscious drives, archetypes etc VS intelligent 3rd party entities issue BUT when even Frank talks about Scamps, Bruce has a bestseller called 'Psychic self defense' I just don't know...

Hell even Uncle Bob Monroe threw down with some shadow beast


I don't want to end up LARP'ing every night with my worst fears equally worry that an attitude of PUL coupled with poor lucid awareness might makes me 'babe in the wood' all you can eat Astral brunch.

As a complete novice projector I'm aiming for mildly curious and non responsive. I try to expect good things - Actually in 'training' myself to focus on positive and PUL in order I came to realize how often I dwell on negatives, follow old, damaging thought patterns etc etc - Kind of a massive not so-side benefit and pre-requisite to the whole AP, for me at least

But my questions:

1) Is PUL alone the right way to go?  While positive expectation, PUL and the like set the astral experience in real life the world has dark places and dangerous people and a good self defense class never hurt anyone.  Can the same be said for the astral or is this precisely the kind of attitude that leads attracts negativity?

2) My critical faculty is zero at present, Gandhi could ride by on Shergar and half the time I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Even if the entities I meet are mental constructs I wouldn't trust my subconscious to order a pizza at 3am when there's a creak on the stairs.  If it's got fangs and claws it's probably bad whilst good might look like an angel but things are not always what they seem. How do you discern the intent of an entity and judge it's advice? 

Interested to know your thoughts - I'll end on another positive . I LOVE the fact this forum has the information and contributors on it to support rational, lucid awareness around AP. from now on I think I'll stick way from E-Books and choose my source material a bit more carefully  

[mcdwg]

You shall ask and the universe will give

In my opinion if you believe you need a self defense class then you will need it, nothing wrong with that some actually welcome it because it makes it more interesting.

In my personal journey I have never encountered the so called negs, in fact once I was so curious that I actually asked to see a neg or bad entity and all I experienced was a devilish laugh but I wasn't scared at all.  In my opinion we are so powerful that we create without being conscious about it.

[Xanth]

Hi AP, my first real post so uh.. be gentle with me.

I read a frankly disturbing E-book last night. I won't name it but it involved Astral warriors and Cannibalistic once human Lich's (don't ask) that stalk the astral plains. I should have been more discerning and honestly it's not a slippers and cocoa before bed read.

It's BS.  Ignore it.
Anyone talking about stuff such as violence, hatred, evil, etc... have no clue what they're talking about.

I believe that intent, emotion and thought creates the AP landscape. Certainly the fuzzy LD type stuff I've experienced so far (I'm not quite there yet).  I'm undecided on the subconscious drives, archetypes etc VS intelligent 3rd party entities issue BUT when even Frank talks about Scamps, Bruce has a bestseller called 'Psychic self defense' I just don't know...

Hell even Uncle Bob Monroe threw down with some shadow beast

For the most part, yes, that's partially how it works.  Realities are realities and all have their own set of rules just like our physical reality (yes, this physical reality is just another reality in the mix).

Don't look too deeply into this Scamps talk.  I haven't encountered anything of the like... ever.

I don't want to end up LARP'ing every night with my worst fears equally worry that an attitude of PUL coupled with poor lucid awareness might makes me 'babe in the wood' all you can eat Astral brunch.

As a complete novice projector I'm aiming for mildly curious and non responsive. I try to expect good things - Actually in 'training' myself to focus on positive and PUL in order I came to realize how often I dwell on negatives, follow old, damaging thought patterns etc etc - Kind of a massive not so-side benefit and pre-requisite to the whole AP, for me at least

If you're naturally a good person, then you have little to worry about.  What I mean is that you don't ACT nice... you ARE nice.  There is a significant difference between those two perspectives.  So when you have a dream or even a lucid awareness, the choices you make will be reflective of which of those perspectives you are. 

But my questions:

1) Is PUL alone the right way to go?  While positive expectation, PUL and the like set the astral experience in real life the world has dark places and dangerous people and a good self defense class never hurt anyone.  Can the same be said for the astral or is this precisely the kind of attitude that leads attracts negativity?

Being a positive, nice person towards other consciousnesses (physical or non-physical) *IS* the meat and potatoes of spiritual growth for an individual consciousness. 

Learning to defend yourself is 100% fine.  I practice (or have, not recently) Yoshinkan Aikido, for example.  The INTENT of how you use your martial art is the point.  You can use anything for good or bad reasons.  Make the correct choices and you're fine. 

2) My critical faculty is zero at present, Gandhi could ride by on Shergar and half the time I wouldn't bat an eyelash. Even if the entities I meet are mental constructs I wouldn't trust my subconscious to order a pizza at 3am when there's a creak on the stairs.  If it's got fangs and claws it's probably bad whilst good might look like an angel but things are not always what they seem. How do you discern the intent of an entity and judge it's advice?

Sounds like you have some fears to work on then. 
At least you've identified some. 

In the non-physical, Intent should be very clear... for the most part though, it'll be a direct reflection of yourself.  So the Intent you find is generally that of the Intent you keep within, whether you know of it or not. 

Interested to know your thoughts - I'll end on another positive . I LOVE the fact this forum has the information and contributors on it to support rational, lucid awareness around AP. from now on I think I'll stick way from E-Books and choose my source material a bit more carefully

Personal, direct experience is the only way to truly learn. 

[Luthor]

Thanks guys, yeah without a doubt one or two fears to work on - Weirdly fear is what actually drew me in a roundabout way to AP.

I nearly died last year and spent a few weeks in ICU, the pain killers I was put on when discharged were Oxycontin, aka Hillbilly Heroin. I was on it for about 4 months and by God that stuff is addictive!

I was high as a kite self medicating at 3am one morning when my fiancé woke up and saw the eye bulging state of me - any buzz I had died with the look on her face. I felt stupid and irresponsible but that was then the fear kicked in, I remembered that her ex was a druggy and right there and then I how much she hated them and figured she might leave me.

That was when it happened - I wandered into the bathroom and saw something that looked like a couple of  entangled crane flies float through the window.  I took my eyes off it for a second and it turned into a small  translucent spider.  It seemed harmless enough and I ignored it but moving downstairs every dark path on the wall suddenly developed eight legs and started scuttling at my face.  I shrieked like a girl and jumped off my sofa. She put me to bed.

Bad Trip from the Oxy - Definitely. My fear of rejection manifested in an altered state 100%.  Worse thing about it was the malign awareness that seemed to emanate from the little Fuckr as it stalked me. Like it could have picked any shape but just decided to go with spiders. I've always been terrified of spiders so it's naïve of me to expect my manifested fear to show up looking like Lassie with flowers and chocolates. 

Of course the Oxy went straight in the bin and I went cold Turkey and took my altered state au-natural from then on but something had changed. Whilst I've always been a touch sensitive in the months that followed I started hearing all sorts of  audio hypnagogic noises at the edge of sleep, had a LD that really knocked my socks off in a good way and Google eventually pointed me to AP.

AP was the first site that suggested looking inwards and addressing my own fears rather than looking to  banishing circle and a priest/shrink.

Anyways, I'm rambling so thanks for your comments Xanth & McDwg - I'll stay away from Penny Dreadful PDF's from now on and keep working on AP and the rest of those issues!


   

[Astralzombie]

I think you're getting the point. You could meet Mother Theresa in the AP but if you are scared, you're gonna see horns and fangs sprout out of her. 

[Xanth]

I think you're getting the point. You could meet Mother Theresa in the AP but if you are scared, you're gonna see horns and fangs sprout out of her. 

Rofl I think I'd almost pay to see that.