salvia help for OBE?

[tenshi_R]

i know that drugs are believed to be evil and dangerous but just like anything else in the wrong hands.
or in the right hands they can be tools.

i ve experimented with few drugs alrady not to get fkd up but to experience them and was very pleasant every time i had great experience

tried a very low dose of salvia according to some texts the proper way( the way they use it for religious practices in mexico) is munch on it for a bit instead of smoking
and keep it under your tongue to get it absrbed.
it kicked in almost 2 hours lated and i felt like i was daydreaming but was able to keep track of the surroundings

since i have a problem concentrating on my own i thought i use it to help me sit still and focus. used in low doses of course.

i already tried many ways( cds, bwgen, hemisync, books techniques etc) all that goes to waste because i cant sit still my joints start bothering me so i have to move and pretty much start over again after that...


has anyone used salvia to aid in AP?

[Contenteo]

I have not.

But I can give you a good answer.

Think of your current state of mind. As you go through your day, there are some points where you are more "disconnected" than others. Simply moments when you are deep in thought are good examples.
The way we get to the astral is by disconnecting ourselves from our physical senses. Rather then just being deep in thought, when we project, we get WAY out there in an organized natural fashion.

get WAY out there

Sound familiar?

Take this as my opinion, but hard drugs are simply chemically induced "projections" when you haven't shut off your physical. Your brain is getting all sorts of weird data from two opposing places. No wonder the experience is as such.

It helps me when I think of my state of mind as a dynamic thing. That ebbs and flows with a whole slew of line graphs. This disconnectedness that exists when we project or ingest certain chemicals is one of them. Think of the tryptophan after eating a turkey. Think of the pharmaceutical industry. Yes, drugs are simply tools. States of mind are a product. It is what you do with the time you have in that state of mind which matters most.


I hope this helps.


Cheers,
Contenteo

[Stookie_]

You never hear decent projectors talk about using drugs as their starting point. The people that use hallucinogens tend to stick with hallucinogens, probably because they never develop the discipline that AP takes.

[travilanche]

I've heard people who have done both say that it feels exactly the same on the come up, like an exit.  Same with DMT.  I personally think that that is the reason that these plants exist, to give us a glimpse of what is out there.  But it also seems like once you experience that, a person should move on and learn to do it without drugs.  After all, isn't it better to be able to do it anytime, anywhere, with having to have a manual input that you might not be able to get? 

I have yet to have a projection.  But I am remaining free of all substances to learn how to do it on my own.  I'm not even eating food with preservatives or hormones anymore on the notion that it could be a hindrance.

[Contenteo]

The only hindrance is what you believe to be a hindrance. Quick, get rid of them all! 

Cheers,
Contenteo

[pondini]

I've heard people who have done both say that it feels exactly the same on the come up, like an exit.  Same with DMT.  I personally think that that is the reason that these plants exist, to give us a glimpse of what is out there.  But it also seems like once you experience that, a person should move on and learn to do it without drugs.  After all, isn't it better to be able to do it anytime, anywhere, with having to have a manual input that you might not be able to get? 

I have yet to have a projection.  But I am remaining free of all substances to learn how to do it on my own.  I'm not even eating food with preservatives or hormones anymore on the notion that it could be a hindrance.

tenshi, the post above is the best advice imo.

however, if you still want to go that route you might look for a guy called Dr.Technical over at mortalmist. he has used salvia for that purpose. i talked to him before i tried it myself but felt it's not the way i want to go. like travilanch said, drugs can open your eyes to the larger reality... after that it is probably best pursue different reality-frames naturally.

good luck:)