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Quote from: Bob_the_floater on May 17, 2021, 08:07:49Good stuff Lumaza!Ah yes the excess saliva and the need to swallow, that was a big hurdle to overcome in the beginning for me. I guess it's like the 'don't think of a pink elephant' and all you can think about is a pink elephant LOL.
QuoteTried the noticing thing too, but that lead to my eyes moving and focusing every time something would appear, and as you say it gets boring quick.
QuoteWhat works best for me now is "going to sleep" but staying awake. I mean when I go to bed I'm not focusing on looking at the back of the eyelids or focusing on the eyes at all, I'm just somewhere in my head/mind's eye drifting away. So I (try to) recreate that state while keeping a little focus on staying conscious, so far it's the most efficient way I've found and gets me to the hypnagogic imagery the fastest. Still struggling with actually phasing though, but it feels like I'm getting close
Quote from: GrumpyRabbit on May 17, 2021, 12:04:09You're definitely not Bat$hit crazy!! Appreciate all you've said in this thread. You're so right that creating a "port" for "astral mode" can be very important and helpful. You're describing making a ritual, so I'd like to share some things I've learned through my shamanism courses, picking a few that I think are relevant.1) The Container - you start by creating a sacred space that will "contain" the practice, demarcate that here and now we are doing this special thing, i.e., it's "time", and keep you surrounded by good energy. You can do something to bless or clear the room/area if you want, you can incorporate special/sacred objects, you can do an invocation, calling in helping spirits - like Lumaza says, his container is the bath, his mantra, and the time of day. You may want to use crystals, a specific place (like a recliner) you may want to listen to certain music (even just before you start, to signal to you we're in "sacred" mode now!), "wake up" the space and its energies using a rattle, drumming, clapping, etc, create an altar with power objects, etc. Basically, how do you carve out/demarcate THIS special place and THIS special time? Imagine creating that space means surrounding your "area" with good energy on all sides, above and below you - bluish white, or gold, or whatever color works for you. What do you need to do to create that? Any of the above things could do that for you. Objects to represent the elements, the directions, a simple invocation and acknowledgement of your "workspace" -Whatever works for you.2) Intention - clearly stating the goal or purpose of what you're doing. Can be very general/open-ended or specific.Afterwards, 3) Grounding - after you come back, it can help to engage in a grounding practice - I remember that time that Lumaza said he got out of the bath too quickly and hadn't really "grounded" yet and got dizzy! This can also include acknowledgment of and commitment to what you've learned/received on your journey/projection, and writing out everything can be a good way to integrate/ground/acknowledge. 4) Dispersing - this is closing the ritual and the space. You dissolve the container you've created that you built at the beginning of the ritual. This may involve thanking your spirit guides, saying goodbye for now, bowing in the 4 directions to express gratitude, and in general dispersing the energies you've called in and created during your process.The "after effects of images" suggestion is interesting - one way to create that for yourself without starting at a candle (not sure if that's good for the retinas!) is to take a white sheet of computer paper, and then cut a smaller square of black construction paper and glue/tape that in the center. So you have something of high contrast - black on white - or you can do the reverse, white on black! Stare at that for a while and you'll see the reverse image when you close your eyes. That is, if you do black on white, the image you see when you close your eyes will be the opposite: instead of dark on light, it will be light on dark. No bigs, that's just how our brains work, but the high contrast and strong shape are shoe-ins to make this happen. (I see after effects of things all the time without staring at them for long because I just have visual disturbances as part of my chronic illness, so I'm usually trying to *not* see those things! haha LOL)
Quote from: Nameless on May 17, 2021, 22:35:08On the visuals I have found the very best way (for me at least) is to find out what my eyes want to do on their own and go with that. I find my eyes (eyeballs that is) naturally tend to drift downwards and slightly to the left as my body relaxes. So once my eyes have settled into their own most natural relaxed state I let them stay there. I know some say look upward toward the third eye, that actually makes my eyes hurt a great deal so then not only am I trying to focus I'm also trying to ignore the discomfort so I find it best to go with whatever positioning my eyes choose.
QuoteAs far as all those bodily distractions I find it best to just do what I need to do and with as little fuss as possible. If I itch I scratch, if I sneeze I wipe, bathroom no problem, I just get up and go without creating more disturbance than necessary. It's easier doing this as it allows you to fall right back into where you need to be if you aren't constantly fighting your own body.
QuoteBut first and foremost always always always let it be known that you will only accept guidance from your highest intuition (God/guides/masters - whoever) with your best interest at heart. The last thing you want is to be led around the mulberry bush by a jokester or someone who absolutely cannot do anything for you. In short be careful WHO you give authority to. (That's a discussion for a different thread).
Quote from: tides2dust on May 20, 2021, 00:52:25Lumaza, this is what's yelling at me right now and I am grateful you are persistent with your guidance! "By my act of will, I release my focus over my physical body."That is beautiful! I hope I can do the same.
Quote from: Bob_the_floater on May 20, 2021, 01:37:16 Just out of curiosity, do you also experience a series of small "overloads" leading up to the "big one" ?
Quote from: Lumaza on May 20, 2021, 18:51:55 Just curious Bob, what do you experience after you have that "system overload"? I ask that because you sound like you are ready to learn more about the Doorways that await you there. If that is the case, we can proceed with that conversation here.
Quote from: Bob_the_floater on May 21, 2021, 22:25:27So far I've only gotten past the "overload" 2 times. The first time (the one in my journal) lead to a calm silent blackness. The second time I didn't "go" anywhere but saw a golden yellow blob/field floating around in the dark like the wax mixture inside a lava lamp, at times it covered the entire field of view.
Quote from: Bob_the_floater on May 23, 2021, 03:20:16Thanks for the insides Lu!Both times was something completely new to me, so got a little too excited and that ended it. But hopefully I'll get to explore it more once I get accustomed to it.
Quote from: Lumaza on August 17, 2015, 07:20:15 "Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere." Albert Einstein "Imagination is the beginning of creation. You imagine what you desire, you will what you imagine and at last you create what you will." George Bernard Shaw "Everything you can imagine is real." Pablo Picasso "Those who dream by day are cognizant of many things that escape those who dream only at night." Edgar Allan Poe All these great men of history knew the importance of a creative imagination. Creative imagination leads to Astral Projection. You may start by simply imagining a scenario, but then somewhere along the line something happens that wasn't in your planned "script". The scene starts to take on a life of it's own and now you sit back and watch at first as your passive curiosity draws you deeper in. Pretty soon it's just a "real" as it is here in this physical reality. This exercise is meant to bring you to this point. It is simple, but if you are serious you will find positive results with it. I know how many people say they can't visualize. That is why I have started with the basics of visualization, then as you get deeper into this "walk through" of sorts, you will find that it gets easier and easier to do. At first the visuals are hard to maintain. The tendency is to drift off onto some other day to day thoughts. But this goes away with practice. As they say "Practice makes perfect"! I titled this the Doorway because that is the targeted object at hand. It is important in this exercise to take a few minutes to visualize (or try as you may) anything that you see in CAPITALIZED BOLD lettering. Example: If I ask is the doorway STANDARD SHAPED? You would automatically visualize a standard (rectangular) shaped door. You would then give yourself a few moments to visualize the door, before moving on to the next question. This is not race. Take your time. Before we start I want you to make sure you are in a comfortable chair, not necessarily a bed, because I don't want you to fall asleep. Make sure your clothing is non constrictive. If it's too light in the room use a blindfold. If it's to loud where you are use some foam earplugs or noise cancelling earphones. Basically I want you to handle all your possible interruptions before they actually become interruptions. I want you to just close your eyes and take a few minutes to relax. You can do this through a breathing technique, progressive relaxation, whatever makes you comfortable. Now just notice the darkness in front of your closed eyelids for a about 5 minutes. Don't worry about "monkey mind" we will handle that soon. You are in a dark hallway. There is a doorway about 10ft in front of you. You don't need to see it right now, just know it's there. Is the doorway a STANDARD SHAPE? Is the doorway ROUND? Is the doorway OVAL? Is the doorway LARGE? Is the doorway SMALL? Is the doorway GLOWING? Is the doorway RED, like a FLAME or a APPLE? (You could use any other examples that you want to see the color red. The same with the other colors as well.) Is the doorway ORANGE, like an ORANGE? Is the doorway YELLOW, like a BANANA? Is the doorway GREEN, like the flowing GRASS in a field? Is the doorway BLUE, like a beautiful CLEAR SKY in the day? Is the doorway INDIGO, like the DEEP OCEAN? Is the doorway VIOLET, like the glow of a BLACK LIGHT? Lastly is the doorway WHITE, like the SNOW, the CLOUDS or even just a BRIGHT LIGHT? Where does the doorway lead? Does the doorway lead to the PAST? Now you are going to reminisce or as they say you are going to take a brief walk down memory lane. You are going to think back to a emotional time in your past. Was it the Prom? Was it your Child's birth? Maybe it's just something that you wish you had the chance to go back and do over again. Don't rush this process. Go back to the past and see this again. Emotional thoughts are very powerful thoughts and for that reason alone are easier to bring back up again. Does the doorway lead to the PRESENT? What did you do today? Did you go out and visit friends? Did friends visit you? Did you just stay at home and watch TV? Relive something from the day. Make it as simple or complexed as you wish. Does the doorway lead to the FUTURE? This is when you visualize what you wish to accomplish further in your life. See yourself achieve a major goal. Watch as your future kids are born. See yourself receiving that promotion at work. Now, walk towards and through that doorway. WHAT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE?__________________________________________________________________________________________________________ If at any time during this exercise the visuals begin taking on a life of their own, allow your curiosity to draw you deeper. Stay with the scene. Passively observe it and allow it to progress. The more it progresses the deeper you find yourself in the scenario and further away you are from your physical focus. This entire exercise is built just to help you to escape your focus on "this" reality. I have chosen these specific questions for a purpose. First the shapes are simple and one of the first things people are taught in visualization skills are to see basic shapes. The colors I chose because not only are they the colors that correspond to the "Chakras", but they are also the colors of a Rainbow. I know not everyone subscribes to the Chakra theories and techniques, but these colors are seen everywhere in everyday life. I chose white because of its cleanly divine meaning. The Past, Present and Future questions are there because all three of these will give a person a chance to "lose themselves" in these visualizations. Many times when I attempt this exercise I don't even make it to the final set of questions. I have other questions I ask myself when I do this exercise, like for instance is the doorway a CAVE OPENING, or does it have SALOON DOORS, like the old Westerns? Is it a BEADED DOORWAY? You get the idea. Have fun with it. Every question you ask leads to another intended scenario. Please reply with any questions or comments you may have on this. The whole exercise was to show you the importance of imagination. Many times, it's your imagination that leads you to the "Astral proper"!
Quote from: Lumaza on July 03, 2021, 21:56:53 That was you? What was the site it was on again? Was it a "Reddit" post? What was the response from others there? A friend shared the link with me, but I can't seem to find that email or PM right now.
Quoteu/JCKCSmama avatarJCKCSmama1yMaybe I sound silly, but do you mean ground yourself? How do I ground myself?3Replyu/StarSeeker7 avatarStarSeeker7Experienced Projector :download-10:1yGrounding in the moment as I mentioned in my post mean that you must use your senses:-smell the air-feel the floor under your feets-what is the room temperature-what noise floor produce when you walk on itIt's not only about visual part, as many of senses you can bring, the more your focus will increase, but there are not absolute requirement for successful entry, they are just gonna increase your chances.5Replyu/fumkypunpkin_ avatarfumkypunpkin_Projected a few times1yIs this meant to be done as a visualization before you project or once you are in the experience?2Replyu/StarSeeker7 avatarStarSeeker7Experienced Projector :download-10:1yBefore of course, the door will lead you to the astral plane.3Replyu/fumkypunpkin_ avatarfumkypunpkin_Projected a few times1yInteresting! Is the color / composition of the room door meant to lead you in a particular way, or just pique your imagination?2Replyu/StarSeeker7 avatarStarSeeker7Experienced Projector :download-10:1yI would say yes, but that is part of the mystery so I will remain silent. I only will say, this technique can lead to a hybrid state, half here - half there, so don't be surprised if happen.2Replyu/Dartrov avatarDartrov1yHow many minutes after laying down should we do this? Do we have to be in the vibrational stage or do we just imagine it all the time and just try until it works?2Replyu/StarSeeker7 avatarStarSeeker7Experienced Projector :download-10:1yYou need to do this when you are relaxed enough, vibrations are not important.3Replyu/Dartrov avatarDartrov1yOh I see. I have another question. Do I just pop up in the room after I open up the door?1Replyu/StarSeeker7 avatarStarSeeker7Experienced Projector :download-10:1yNo you must ground yourself in the room and then open the door, you don't need to imagine what is behind the door, beyond her can be everything - another room, a landscape, the cosmic space or even an empty space.
Quote from: Alex77 on July 03, 2021, 22:36:10 Reddit users usually doesn't come back to tell if they experienced anything, because of that there is not much of feedback, everything is lost in infinity scrolling.
Quote from: Lumaza on July 03, 2021, 23:25:39 Unfortunately, neither do people that come to this Forum. It helps in the further development of techniques like these if you can get some input or feedback. Positive or negative, it's still input and it's still helpful.