Using music to achieve OBE!

[Adrian]

Greetings Kenneth!

Yes, I think you definitely have something here.

This is remarkably similar to another recent thread, and where we have discussed this at some length.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2967

At the final analysis, ohasing is all about focussing your mind away from the five physical senses by keeping it occupied with, usually imagery, but can be any other of the Astral senses.

With best regards,

Adrian.

[Kenneth]

Thanks Adrian!

Whou - that's great, that others have found the same path og direction, and are using their skill in music this way as well!

You say going away from all the mundane sences ?? ... Hmmm - they could perhaps give us the easiest "path" to astral consius?

I use my sence of Hearing - I am "trained" to do that. I am not "trained" in remembering how something "feels" like to touch (Not the same way as with music ).

This could mean, that people who are having trouble achieving astral consciusnes can be able to do that by using their "prefered" physical sence ? ...

I know, that for me it is Taste, that are the most developed sence, along with my hearing/ sence of music. I used Music - the ability to construct a song, and actually used the same pattern I normally use when composing and playing music!.

I know, that i.e. Journeyworks use the ability to Feel your emotions somewhere in your body (Which are not one of my strong sides, unfortunately - I can't seem to do that "on demand" - but I can "listen" to a song playing in my head, and develop a song "on demand"). When you have a good sence of that feeling, they advice you to just Sink through it / fall through it, and see, what is beneath it. (Again - inwards towards your higher self!).

Some people have a good feeling for physical "touches" - for remembering how it felt, when they touched something, or worked with something. Other has a good feeling with Taste, and how something tasted.

So smell, taste, feeling, hearing, seing and (feelings) seems to me to be equally Paths to enter Astral Consciusnes?

And a person, that is not very good at Feeling things (or remember how it felt, when something was touched/ worked with), would problably have trouble using the Rope-technique, while a person "trained" to use that sence would not have that much trouble?

The same with Music (and listening) - I don't think, that a non-musiscian (or a person with a - in this matter - "untrained" hearing) could "construct" a song in his mind, and use this technique as a path - But maybe that person likes to i.e. Cook, and could use the creation of the perfect Dish - the "taste" of the perfect dish as a patway ?

...Like a different "tool / setup / pathway" for differently oriented people ??

...Does this make any sence, or ??

Rope-technique: The physically rooted - a person good at "remember" how something felt like when touched/ handled inside the mind?

Falling-out: The visually rooted - a person good at "remember" visual things - how it "looks" like inside the mind?

Music: The Audio rooted - a person good at "remember" sounds, and able to "hear" them inside the mind?

...Any other "techniques" ?? ...(Taste, Smell, Feelings -> Journeyworks i.e.)

[Kenneth]

Hi All!

I think that I had my very first conscius OBE this night!!. I am not sure (Okay - I'm almost sure *S* , but perhaps you could help me clarify some of these points ?

About a week ago I learned something that might be important, from some kind souls from another place - in a lucid dream - I had a week ago. (Perhaps from my subconscius, I don't know *S* .

My main problem in achieving any form of "Astral" consciusnes is, that I am too much of a controll freak ... I have trouble finding that fine line between staying in control, and letting go. So I have not yet had a conscius OBE. (I think it is called Will-less-will ?)

My brain seems to know, what I want to do, when I try the different techniques - it seems like my "Ego-Defence" (Is it called that in english ?), doesn't allow me to "let go" - it sees through all the pictures and techniques without problems, and I have not yet been able to find something complex enough to fully occupy it with (until now, perhaps ). Or perhaps it is just me "trying" to hard, and thefore failing ? :-/

I play music in my spare-time, and also compose a little. Once or twice in my life I have been fortunate enough to actually hear in my head how my Higher self hears the tunes, I normally only hear one voice at a time of. (It was like hearing a complete symphoni orchestra with the perfect acoustics, the perfect balance AND the perfect feeling in each and every instrument in my head ... whou!). Or like hearing the whole band play a song, with the Drums, Bass, Guitar, Keyboard and vocal in your head - all at the same time!

I am also one of those unfortunate souls, that when I get a song "on my mind", I have trouble getting it out again :-/. I have been able to shield against stray thoughts, when I meditate - but NOT a song playing in my mind yet - it just keeps going on and on.

What I found out was, that I could actually USE that piece of a song that kept running around in my mind to achieve that state - and actually bring me directly into a lucid dream (Or an OBE - I'm not sure which one *S* ...

The technique as I have tried it so far is: (And it is still very new, so I am experimenting each night, and would really like to get inputs and idéas from you guys too!! .

- The "normal" relaxation-techniques, deep breaths etc.
- Try to focus into your self, instead of focusing OUT of your self. (Seems irrational, but it actually seems to work ).
- Try to keep the inward focus, and then focus on the song / piece of song in your head. Try to put other voices on that song - actually "building" that song from a simple one note - one liner, to a more and more complex song. Add the acoustics to it as well.

Try to build harmonies in that song, instead of single notes - to actually HEAR the song as it is played when it is perfect (That is your goal - your only focus - but don't expect to reach it, the intent on it is enough it seems ?).

Then just drift off, while keeping your total focus and intent on the highest (Most perfect?) "form" of that song - and steadily increasing the number of instruments playing at the same time, trying to expand the harmonies from 3 voices to four, etc.

(It seems like it is the Multi threaded task my mind has to solve, that does it for me - And at the same time straining upwards against the Perfect and most "Truest" form of the song ? - a form that i KNOW only my innser self can achieve? - and therefore i'm actually straining up towards (or more correctly - Inwards towards) my Higher self?).

Just this night, when I tried thist, I sort of drifted "of to sleep" like normal. But because my Ego-defence was occupied with "constructing" this tune/ song, I felt (at some point) a very powerfull "Pull" upward. It didn't feel frighening or anyting, and I remember thinking something about it being the "Astral-winds" that Robert talked about. In fully conscius state today, I think it was the feeling of the "normal" seperation of my astral body I actually felt - without the need to do anything to "force" it or anything ?.

(Learning this technique was actually one of the earlier learning-sessions there - along with some energy-thoughts, that I am currently trying out as well).

It seems like these sessions last for about 2-3 hours, and then I am back in my body, and fully awaken - and an almost total recall of the "dream" as well. Then I just say/think "thank-you!!", and drift off to another session. I usually have two every night it seems.

I have also been giving the opportunety to actually "develop" that switching back and forth between my physical body and my astral body, but I have to get further experience with that before I think I should write about that one .