when sleeping with someone...

[James S]

Hello LA FORET MAUVE,

I would say that there is nothing unconsciously happening on your girlfriends part, it is more likely that you are subconciously tense, and the slightest distraction will cause you to react and come out of that pre OBE state.

To get past this is not just a matter of complete relaxation, but also the ability to willingly, both consciously and subconsciously, block out all external stimuli, be it sound or touch, whatever, and close yourself off to the things around you.

I know just how you feel. Often I have been at a pre-OBE stage at night, then either my wife will start snoring, or I will get an eyelash poking into my eye. It feels like it is happening deliberately, but subconsciously I am hoping so much that nothing will distract me, it seems that everything does. Its all a matter of learning to ignore these things at the right moments.

All the best,
James.

[kromeknight]

Hello La Foret Mauve
I had a laugh when reading your post, I subscrib to the conspiracy theory. My wife would move or come into the room when ever I was close to exit. If not her our baby who sleept in the cot near us at night would stir with out fail. Be it the phone or nocks on the door my attempts to oob/AP are a battle.
I did have some success phasing and even protruding my astral head in our busy lounge room because I gave up trying to find a quiet moment.
Good topic []

[LA FORET MAUVE]

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Thank you for all the kind answers ! I understand and am agree
with both of you ! No conspiracy but more work to do [B)]
Hehe...
thank you, i'll try to be less sensible to any external stimulis...

[shaman]

Bonjour la Foret Mauve (drole de couleur pour une foret, mais ca doit etre merveilleux en fait...).

Well, I got a step further than you where I had reached the vibs and started getting out of my body and bed, but I felt a strong pull at my right arms, and in the astral/dream world there was my wife pulling at me! I pulled back strong and it was like a rubber band (elastique) and my arm was free and "snapped" back at me. So I am not sure exactly, but if it is that, it means that my wife in the astral (while asleep) pulled me back! (not enough to mention what you mention - the noise, snoring, moving,...). My vision was not great and after I started going around in our bedroom, it all turned into a dream. I understand you completely, as I have also two little boys and sure it is not easy to find the timing for AP. But keep on trying. Another thing that works too is in the morning, it you wake up before the whole family, then just stay in bed and try AP. Or even in the middle of the night if you wake up to go to the restroom, then just take your time for an AP. Of course with all that you might get a bit tired of not sleeping enough, but try whenever you can. That's also the reason why I am also trying the "passive" way, just to have dreams, lucid dreams, etc... and try to remember all the details... it sure helps to get used to the situation of astral/dreams. Try also the autosuggestion method, where you repeat to yourself before you go to sleep that you want to have a lucid dream or make an astral projection or just to remember your dreams.

[LA FORET MAUVE]

Bonjour Shaman and thank you for your answer ! Oui, le mauve est une de mes couleurs preferees ! [:I]
I am so motivated to success in astral projecting that i am taking strange sleep patterns and tuned my alarm for every 30 minutes...only when my girlfriend is gone (she works a lot earlier than me)...
I am still lucky enough to be able to do so as i don't have childrens nor other people to take care of (not yet, who knows !)...
I am located in Japan, so if you do the math and look at the time of my posts, you'll see what i mean by "strange sleeping patterns"...[]

[LA FORET MAUVE]

I have a little problem and would like to know if someone experienced the same:
I usualy sleep with my girlfriend. When trying to astral project there is no problem at the begining (relaxation, chakra opening, etc), my girlfriend usualy sleeps deeply when i am on this state.
But when i reach the "moment when i could exit" BAM she moves or awake a little and makes the bed to move, making the experience to fail...
This is very strange because doesn't move at all but only when i arrive to this precise moment...i wonder if she inconsciously feels that i am going to leave my body and makes me staying there...
I don't want us to sleep separately so i would like to know if someone have any ideas, suggestions...[?]