A trip to Hell !

[shineling]

Holy cow.

I had a death rehearsal last night or something.

I got out of my body as usual (through astral projection) went out into the street and things started changing as usual morphing into other dreams.

It wasn't long before the Game started and I was off.

This time I found myself in one of the Hells. Probably the higher Hells from what it looked like. Still awful awful awful!

I found myself in one of the chain gangs walking around in a line of people. We never stop. Just go from one horrible place to another tired as dogs.

We were directed to go down into a pit of complete darkness at one point and that is when I came to my senses and bolted. I broke my chains and squeezed through a grait in the fence and I was off.

I had to get out of this Hell! It was bad bad bad. Trash everywhere. Dead things. Yuk.

I started exploring and found myself in this dark corner next to some old machine garage. It was boxed in with these three shelves full of old old books. I started looking through some of them and they where all the home-made satanic books God had collected from all the bad bad people. Probably the worst ones. They where awful!! Later on I realized this was my first test. If I would of stopped there to read those books I would of stayed in that place.

I quickly climbed the shelves of books and made it to the other side where a huge cliff stood. I looked over the side and it was abyssal. It was the highest cliff over a desert I have ever seen. I ran and jumped off the cliff.

Fell for like 30 seconds and landed gently on my feet on the first level above Hell. (I don't know why it was below Hell. I just know I made it out of there.)

It was full of intoxicated happy people taking baths everywhere. That is their thing. After hell I guess taking baths is the thing to do first! [] Oh how I wanted to get into those pools. There where big ones and small ones. I started looking around and finally asked someone if I could take a dip in one of them. "They always ask." is what I heard one guy say. Haha!

So there I am enjoying the water. It was relaxing and I tried out these massage chairs as well that vibrated as water splashed all over you. It was nice... but the place isn't Heaven. It's dark and a little creepy still. I knew this is not where I wanted to be.

So gently I asked my friend next to me, a big guy that was cracking crude jokes, how to get to the next level. He gave me directions on how to find the "Elevator" and I was off. On the way... I asked myself why doesn't everyone just take the Elevator? I was about to find out why.

I asked around a few times. There was this small kind little alien or elf that tried giving me directions but quickly fell asleep. Finally found the elevator after reading some signs.

It was a big room like a subway station but with three dark holes in the middle. Every so often a huge Elevator from different levels comes by and I figured I'd have to hop it to go there. You never know which of the three platforms the Elevator is coming up and it's a pain getting to the other side before it goes up so you only have one chance to guess at a time.

So I'm waiting... and waiting!

Finally I hear a rumble and one of the Elevators comes down. It's the one I need to catch but I'm on the wrong platform. So I have to wait again and again.

Finally I catch the Elevator. It's not the Elevator to the next level though. It's one back to Hell!

There are these great dressed devils in nice suits smoking cigarrs with a girl in each arm and babes sitting in cushions that are so hot and tight dressed that anyone might just go with them. Another test.

The girls come off the Elevator and try inviting me to go with them.  I'm like no way!! Not going back there. They all then start making fun of me and rediculing me. Finally the Elevator goes down again and I breath a sigh of relief.

I'm not the only one waiting around for the Elevator. There are a few crazy guys waiting too. One in a cowboy hat is running from platform to platform constantly. I guess he really wanted that Elevator bad.

I'm about to give up when the Elevator from above finally arrives. And I catch it! Phew!

I start talking to the conductor and he says this Elevator is shut down for maintenance! Great. He said there is only room for a few people and those seats are taken. I had time to engage the conductor in a conversation. I asked him if meditation would take me to Heaven quicker. He scratched his head and said Geez! I'm not sure!

So he's about to take off to the next Level and I see an empty seat. I think about it and actually sit down on the chair. Then though... I think about it again and stand up. Good thing, because there is a mean mean devil alien looking thing who the seat belonged to. I take it as another test passed and head out to explore the Level I am on.
Forget the Elevator!

I start thinking that if I just keep working on trying to get to Heaven I probably will eventually. It's easy as long as you don't stop. And God it seems is with me the entire way ! ! ! Testing me at every turn !

I'm definately convinced that there is life after death. It's just not what we think. God's souls are tested every step of the way. That is why I am thinking that even normal everyday life here on Earth is a test.

Why so many tests... I guess there are no words for explaining those things. But I found myself weeping when I understood this silent conviction.

Good luck all!

[Pauli2]

Did you feel that there was anyone that you were supposed to do a retrieval on?

[grzazek]

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[AlanRK]

If you wanted to get out of there as quickly as possible, why didn't you just return to your body?

[Naykid]

Should have taken the elevator.  Whenever I'm faced with stairs or elevators it usually means I need to take them, up or down and will find myself in a totally different environment.  Sometimes a educational one.

[Xanth]

Holy cow.

I had a death rehearsal last night or something.

I got out of my body as usual (through astral projection) went out into the street and things started changing as usual morphing into other dreams.

Do you remember what was on your mind that day or what events happened that you feel might have influenced these changes in the non-physical experience?

[shineling]

Well...

It was one of those astral dreams that you get entrenched in. Know what I mean? You can't wake up no matter how hard you try. You're stuck out there trying to get back home. Very scary... at least the Hell part. Made it out so that is cool.

But this isn't dream stuff. It's hard core visuals and auditory. I was there man. More real than real as they say. Either I have a real awesome dreaming ability (which I might) or this stuff is just what I can expect when I get out there permanent. There's whole worlds out there man and it's just you and God. Scary...

No... It was a great day for me. I was happy, positive, and happy about making some progress in my spiritual quest. My meditation has been really coming together.

Anyway... there is a part of me that really enjoyed it. Being in Hell man was an eye opener. Underlying all of this was a sense that a Greater force was guiding me - showing me the ropes, testing me, and taking care of me at the same time.

Anyways... thanks for reading.  Peace.

[Xanth]

Well...

It was one of those astral dreams that you get entrenched in. Know what I mean? You can't wake up no matter how hard you try. You're stuck out there trying to get back home. Very scary... at least the Hell part. Made it out so that is cool.

Actually, now that you mention it... I don't know.   I don't have scary dreams anymore... I haven't for many MANY years.  I've never been "stuck out there trying to get back home". 

I think that if you just always remain calm and relaxed, you shouldn't have any issues being stuck.

But this isn't dream stuff. It's hard core visuals and auditory. I was there man. More real than real as they say. Either I have a real awesome dreaming ability (which I might) or this stuff is just what I can expect when I get out there permanent. There's whole worlds out there man and it's just you and God. Scary...

That is the very nature of the non-physical... ironically, just as it is the nature of the physical.  It's ALL REAL.
However, my belief in god aside (or lack thereof lol)... you have an awesome "dreaming ability", everyone does.  I feel it's our natural state of being.
I don't particularly like calling a dream "just a dream" anymore... because I like to think I know better.  I call them all non-physical experiences now.
A dream is simply a non-physical experience where you think you're awake.

No... It was a great day for me. I was happy, positive, and happy about making some progress in my spiritual quest. My meditation has been really coming together.

Then we'll have to look elsewhere for where the troubles began in your mind.

Anyway... there is a part of me that really enjoyed it. Being in Hell man was an eye opener. Underlying all of this was a sense that a Greater force was guiding me - showing me the ropes, testing me, and taking care of me at the same time.

Personally speaking, and this is only how *I* interpret it, it wasn't a "hell" it was a Focus 2 oC environment created due to a stray though you were having at the time which grew and grew to encompass a "world" you referred to as "hell".

I don't see "hell" as objectively existing... or "heaven" for that matter either.

[manwesulimo2004]

Wow. That sounds scary and exciting. Why do you think you had to make this journey?

[shineling]

I don't know why I had that happen... maybe it's because I have been watching too much Star Trek or maybe I'm sexually frustrated.   Not sure... both are true though.

But if it is just me making up my own story, that is a relief.  That puts it in perspective. Thanks Xanth.

Such a fertile mind we humans have. Maybe it's true... there is no "out there". It's all in here (points to head).  

[Greytraveller]

Hallo Shineling
Good to see that you made it back from the 'nether regions' safe & sound (no joke intended).
Extreme emotions can sometimes negatively affect an OBE. Remember that while out of body you should be able to a) teleport from one place to another and b) fly or float at will.
Did you think to use either of the abilities at the time?
It might even have made sense to have asked to see someone in charge and have them explain why you were there. There was probably some type of mistake that brought you there. Anyway you did well in a very unenviable situation.

Regards 
Grey

[shineling]

Thanks Grey. I will remember to try and fly or relocate the next time I'm in a weary place. 

I never believed in Heaven and Hell until just a few years ago. I mean... I thought about them. I sort of believed there was a God up there.

Then however, through astral projection and serious decipline to my meditation my eyes opened.

I'll close out the thread with some Sant Mat poetry.

Sheikh Farid asked a question of a nightingale:

Oh nightingale, why are you black?

Then he himself replied:

I know the reason why. You have burned yourself in longing for the Lord. That is why you are so black.

Kabir says:

My mind is being powerfully attracted to the home of my Beloved. This world has no attraction for me. I wish to fly from here and go to the country of my Lord, which is so beautiful. There no one comes and goes (there is no birth and death), and to it even the sun and the moon, water and the air can never reach. Oh, is there anyone who would carry this, my message of longing, to my Beloved!

The ailment of bireh (feeling of separation) is chronic and has now gone deep into my bones. It is not possible to get rid of it. It is a pain of love which is even smothering my heart. The feeling of longing caused by separation troubles me at all times, and as a result my entire body is burning. Only one who has caused this pain or who undergoes it can understand this.

[Greytraveller]

shineling

My view on heaven and hell has been heavily influenced by the writings of Robert Monroe. After extensive out of body travels Monroe concluded that there is no One Heaven or One hell. Rather there are many smaller Belief System Territories that serve the same function. I believe that he called these locations false heavens and false hells. His view on these places (and one that I agree with) is that most were/are populated by deceased people who either want to be there or who feel that they need to be there due to prior religious indoctrination.

Regards 
Grey

[Fresco]

God's souls are tested every step of the way. That is why I am thinking that even normal everyday life here on Earth is a test

You are dead right about that!

Most people fail daily tests and dont even know they're failing.
Heck, most dont even know they're being tested at all

[Fresco]

Just to add to that shineling, I'm not sure you were being tested with those hot girls.  Last time I looked in the bible there's nothing evil or sinful with a man and a woman having sex.  Heck, some the greatest Biblical men had plenty of concubines (unmarried girlfriends).  Not one peep from God about this.

The modern church teaches pre-marital sex is a sin, this is fact.
But if thats the case why does it nowhere in the Bible directly say: "Thou shall not have premarital sex"??!!

[Xanth]

Just to add to that shineling, I'm not sure you were being tested with those hot girls.  Last time I looked in the bible there's nothing evil or sinful with a man and a woman having sex.  Heck, some the greatest Biblical men had plenty of concubines (unmarried girlfriends).  Not one peep from God about this.

The modern church teaches pre-marital sex is a sin, this is fact.
But if thats the case why does it nowhere in the Bible directly say: "Thou shall not have premarital sex"??!!

Most likely because that's a relatively new addition whereby the people making up the rules now added in due to their own beliefs... and them trying to force that belief upon others.

Just a thought.

[AlanRK]

The Bible does detail lust as being sinful, though, especially when it is unchecked and hedonistic.

[Fresco]

Most likely because that's a relatively new addition whereby the people making up the rules now added in due to their own beliefs... and them trying to force that belief upon others.

Just a thought.

And a way for the church to control their flock. 
Hey you sinner, dont have sex or you're going to hell.  And make sure you keep tithing us every month.

This is why I dont go to church.  I do tithe, but I tithe to charities

[personalreality]

as soon as anyone uses the bible for evidence of anything other than brainwashing, my mind turns off.

[Fresco]

The Bible does detail lust as being sinful, though, especially when it is unchecked and hedonistic

Where??!

All it talks about is "sexual immorality" but then can cover many things like incest, pay-for-sex, homosexuality, bestiality..etc.
Nowhere does it say a boyfriend & girlfriend cant have sex.

[AlanRK]

Where??!

All it talks about is "sexual immorality" but then can cover many things like incest, pay-for-sex, homosexuality, bestiality..etc.
Nowhere does it say a boyfriend & girlfriend cant have sex.

I didn't say anything about two people having sex, I said that the Bible details lust as sinful. Not that I actually care, as I don't live according to a centuries-old book. Some people do, though, and given its importance in modern society it is necessary to know some things about it. In any case the Bible definitely does label unchecked and hedonistic lust as sinful, but even this probably varies throughout different translations and versions. Now the real challenge here is thusly; who cares what the Bible says about it?

[Fresco]

Now the real challenge here is thusly; who cares what the Bible says about it?

I do since I'm Christian, which doesnt make me exactly popular in the online community, but thems the brakes

[CFTraveler]

In the bible, lust doesn't  mean sex.  Lust is a state of wanting something.  It can be the neighbor's cattle, or his wife.  Which back then, were equally valuable.  So when it considers lust a sin, it means that you shouldn't covet that which isn't yours.

[Firmitas]

Hi Shineling.

That sounds like an absolutely fascinating experience!

If you dont mind me asking, what kind of meditation (or method) do you typically use that leads up to these kinds of projections?

-Firmitas

[AlanRK]

Hi Shineling.

That sounds like an absolutely fascinating experience!

If you dont mind me asking, what kind of meditation (or method) do you typically use that leads up to these kinds of projections?

-Firmitas

Does sniffing, swallowing, or smoking something count as a technique?