Apparently AP is dangerous and can kill you

[Jdeadevil]

So I've just been told, my girlfriend wants me to stop trying to astral project because she's worried. She says that you have to change your heart-rate and it can kill you.. Is this true?

[Stillwater]

Who knows... maybe it can. I always said you can't say projection isn't dangerous, because dead men tell no tales, haha!

But with that caveat... I have been into this stuff for a decade, and there are those here who have been in four times as long, and as far as I have ever found, no one has been injured from this.

[LightBeam]

I have lots of friends from all over the world from different forums, who AP and so far I have not heard reports of harm, possessions, heart conditions, and no one has died yet. I have OBEs on a regular basis, maybe twice per week and after an OBE I usually feel more energized and clear minded.
Some people think that to OBE is to literally go away from your body, leaving it spiritless and dead like. While we are still alive, we are able to transfer or tune in only a portion of our consciousness to the astral worlds.

[Lionheart]

 What people don't fully understand they fear. Tell anyone on the street that you Astral Travel daily and they will think you are nuts.

[Jdeadevil]

The thing is, it's a bit disheartening that my girlfriend doesn't want me to do it because she's worried that I could die, and I have no way of proving to her that there's nothing to be afraid of because I have no experience or scientific proof other than studies found on the Internet. I don't want to secretly keep practising it without telling her because I don't like keeping information. :/

I'm not going to go into detail but I'm not the only one who talks to her about AP and spirituality.

[Szaxx]

Hi,
Let her know its very safe. I have done this all my life from my first memories, around 4 years old and never even got upset. I have friends somewhere out there if that phrase is actually correct and always thought this was natural for everybody.
To make her happy my memories of this started before 1965.
So let her read from THIS site for an unbiased opinion and maybe ask a few questions herself.
You may find her interest pick up enough to try it. It takes time as you may know and the Pulse is the best place for help.

[Xanth]

So I've just been told, my girlfriend wants me to stop trying to astral project because she's worried. She says that you have to change your heart-rate and it can kill you.. Is this true?

Tell your girlfriend that she projects every night when she falls asleep... and yet, hasn't died yet from it.

There's no "change of heart rate" required.  Although, a change of heart rate might occur due to your RELAXING, which would be a good thing.  Reducing the stress on your heart in this manner is ALWAYS a good thing. 

No offense to your girlfriend, but she's ignorant of meditation and astral projection (aka, she doesn't know and is only relying upon fearbase responses from other people who, also, don't know).

[urshebear]

If shes afraid of death, maybe she should start astral projecting too 

[Chaos Mage]

After years of preaching about phantasy, online, and finding obstinance towards the subject of meditation, chakras, astral realms, and phantasy itself (in my community) I have decided to return to my own ideas concerning what the astral is.  These ideas are shared by virtually everyone who meditates, and it is simply, going to sleep, dreaming, and then awakening in whatever way I want.

I've been to the timeless, eternal realm deep within the core of all reality, I have visited it at least three times before age five, if not more!  There is the risk that one body dies, yet, if you go deep enough into meditation, you stop time, and can erase all reality,  No doubt, it will look like you have died, unless by force of sheer soul strength, you verge on the power of Almighty God and actually destroy, banish, or erase all reality.

I'm relearning in my life.  Everything that I think I know, seems to be garbage, good garbage, but it isn't the supreme truth.  I think that there is the reality where we are not focusing, and that reality is the mundane, scientifically proven, basis for physical reality.  When we meditate, or even every night when we go to sleep, we charge or accumulate 'dream energy' or astral power, soul power.  And so, we dream, but dreams, pending your focus of the astral energy, can be as real as any other reality.  It's almost like we are living in a dead zone, here and now.  By allowing yourself to fall into a deep sleep, it's like trancing.

So, with that said, I see why I had such immense success with phantasy, and why I had theories of shadows of reality.  As a child, I used the training I gained from Psi Ball Boy, and, Aliester Crowley, and was continually trancing into the astral, and in fact, had the ability to manifest astral light in the physical plane.

You can tell you girlfriend, that all she has to do to prove it to herself (since nobody can prove it for her)  is to 'try to fall into the deepest sleep possible'  but then also tell her, 'while keeping your soul awake'.

I notice that in my life, when I wake up, it's out of a fireball dream flickering away, and suddenly, I'm here.  Last night, I tried falling into a deeper sleep, and I had a dream about flying at some carnival of some sort in a city in Germany.  As you learn how to meditate  (which I have to relearn after all this time)  you eventually gain the ability to phase at will, and can bare witness that all reality is a 'dream come true'.

It's like the Buddhists say, there is no duality.  It's just what you are focusing.  If you are focusing the spiritual reality, to it's maximum, then you can likely enter the Eternal, the timeless, unlimited void where things like Djinn and Magus are to be found.  The rest of reality is a subtraction from that Timeless value.  I don't know where to point you for more information about the Djinn or becoming a Magus, perhaps people here can help you.

The point of saying all that?  Well, people talk about 'awakening', but you awaken every morning after sleep.  It's when you are awake in your dreams, and focusing the astral energy to the point that you breach the dimensional barriers and return to your original state, that, is when you see that you have created every moment of your life, and that you can do it again, if need be.  The astral is a step closer towards the Eternal reality, and I think, all you have to do, is meditate like you are falling asleep, and hold that energy until it compounds itself to an absolute.  Concentration.

[Bweep06]

Here is how simple this is. You engage in society every single day, you could die in a car crash tomorrow. It's simple as this, there is the same chance of you dying as there is every day.

[Contenteo]

Astral projection helps you 'prepare' for death in the way that visiting a podium beforehand helps you feel more comfortable when you give the big speech.

You are raising your awareness and comfort level with the greater perception of existence.

And what Xanth said. You do this anyway when you dream every night, you are just not in control of those projections.

Cheers,
Contenteo

[Boom]

OK if its the heart she is worried about, see if you can get a pulse sensor that will record your heart rate somewhere.
Go to sleep and have it record your heart rate whilst sleeping.
Do an astral projection and compare the differences in heart rate.. It'll be an interesting outcome.  If your heart rate is the same as sleeping, or higher whilst projecting then viola scientific evidence that its safe.

Also whilst projecting, if your body needs something, it'll bring you back.  When projecting, you are merely focussing away from your physical self. If something physical happens to you during projection, then it will become almost impossible to hold your focus away from your body, and snap, you'll be awake again. Its exactly the same as waking someone up from sleep.

The only dangers I know of of Astral Projection is becoming obsessed with it, and ending up detached from reality. But this can happen with any hobby. Everything should be in moderation.

[ribiq]

Xanth is right - it happens every night, and either you're talking about low heart rate or accelerated heart rate. Either way, you're in no danger. Low heart rate will help with relaxation, and if she's thinking that the perception of low heart rate when close to projection is the dangerous part, this is incorrect. You are moving into your energy body at that time just before exiting, and because your energy body is essentially charging up, you perceive strong energy sensations -- especially at the heart chakra.

Contrarily, I think astral projection is one of the healthiest activities you do.

[Chaos Mage]

Like said, you control the perception of reality.  There is nothing wrong with the world.  The world is exactly as you and every other living on the planet wants it to be.  The psychological mutations which occur in personal consciousness are inducted to the whole, at varying degrees and intensity.  When you astral project, it is exactly what you want it to be.  We live in an advanced world, it is a Cosmic Reality.  You can go celestial, or return to the astral.  It is in that way, Omniversal.  The existence of a multiverse automatically asserts the existence of an omniverse, especially where astral projection is included.  We all want what we want, and it is exactly the perfect experience.  Unless, we become demented through heinous dark magickal rituals, and suffer the indignation of life against and within our soul, then we become perverted, and lose sight of the Divine vibration.  Astral projection is an indication of an advanced intelligence, even simple dreaming indicates that the consciousness has a greater capacity to handle more magnitudes of energy.  That energy could be effecting your physical body, and causing the heart rate to skip a few beats then need to time to readjust.  The heart, heart chakra, and the memory are all greatly connected.

Don't worry.  The physical body can be resurrected at any time, and I think most people would want a guy like Jesus Christ to have authority on the resurrection.  So I'm happy with that.  If you lose your physical body in an astral projection, then you will likely return to cosmic existence as a new type of entity, perhaps even a celestial.  You could satisfy her by taking your blood pressure just before going to bed, and again when you wake up.  They have machines for that too.

My god!! ().o!!  You'd think that they have a machine for astral projection, but I think most souls would leave that to themselves.  You know how people guard their freedom, and their children.  It's enough to start a war, we are lucky to live in a reality as good as this.  Earth is a focal point for all species, perhaps a long lasting survivor of the Universe.  I don't know if you'd want to imagine ancient satyr in desperate need of new experiences, of new blood, and a planet to strip bare to feed it's billions.  Earth, Mecha Up, scan field radius.  They do this already.  We don't want to be swarmed by anything but our own psionic energy.

[Xanth]

My god!! ().o!!  You'd think that they have a machine for astral projection, but I think most souls would leave that to themselves.

Who needs a "machine"?
You ARE consciousness... you are projecting right now actually.

You're projecting your consciousness "into" this physical reality and experiencing it.
When you're not experiencing this reality you're projecting your consciousness somewhere else and experiencing that reality.

Nobody needs a machine to do something that we're, quite literally, always doing. 

[NoY]

overtime you will have refined your argument so much you will just say

"No!"



:NoY:

[majour ka]

Your body will be in a relaxed/passive state similar to sleep when you project, but as long as you take a nice easy natural exit I cant see it would harm you or your energy. I have been experiencing AP all my life with out problems.

[embrace]

Sounds ridiculous to me...But...actually, who knows? If anybody got killed in OOBE, there would be no way to report this, hence there is no way of knowing this for sure

[Chronic]

That's like saying don't go to sleep because your heart rate changes and that's dangerous and can kill you lol

EDIT: *fixed your typo ~Xanth